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If you're of age to drink and go to bars in your area and your younger sibling of the same gender is not, would you give them your id and tell the government that you lost it so they could go to bars?

I'm not an older sibling. But I did give my old ID to a younger kid, and didn't have any panic of conscience about doing so.

No, because bars suck and are full of losers and drunks. Plus, alcohol isn't really that good, especially if its shitty beer. If they are actually willing to take the risk and go to a bar with a "fake" ID and waste their money on liquor, they are obviously too immature/stupid to even warrant such consideration from me. (As you can see, I don't like bars or drinking).

Of course, there's the legal aspect, but that's not as important in this case.

Well, my little brother is 7 and I'm 18 so it would be pretty useless.

Nope ... they can figure out their own way of doing it

I personally dont have any ethical reason I just would preffer not to

Yup, younger siblings, their friends, whatever. Conscience is clear.

If I had a younger sibling and I felt that they were mature enough to handle drinking I would unless they were violent drunks, the type to drink and drive or start fights then no.

Why Dakini? What have you done this time!?!? :eek:

Wasn't ever necessary. Laws in Germany aren't that strict (you can drink when you're 16), and enforcement is even less strict (no problem to get drink even when you're 14)

But if we had been anywhere where they would have needed the ID... sure, why not?

If I had a younger sibling and I felt that they were mature enough to handle drinking I would unless they were violent drunks, the type to drink and drive or start fights then no.

Why Dakini? What have you done this time!?!? :eek:
My little sister is harassing me to give her my driver's lisence and then report it lost or stolen to the Ontario government so she can get into bars and I can get a new one. I don't particularly like the idea of lying to the government about the status of official documents, nor do I really trust my sister to stay out of trouble while she has my ID on her.

My little sister is harassing me to give her my driver's lisence and then report it lost or stolen to the Ontario government so she can get into bars and I can get a new one. I don't particularly like the idea of lying to the government about the status of official documents, nor do I really trust my sister to stay out of trouble while she has my ID on her.
Agreed ... My siblings ability to drink is not important enough for them or me to deal with the consequences and or just plain ol hassle

Before he was old enough to drink, one of my younger brothers became exceedingly adept at modifying old, out-of-date driver's licenses so that a) the picture looked like him, b) it had his name, and c) it showed him as being barely legal.

He didn't need my help. Besides, he couldn't have gotten away with using a female id anyway.

My little sister is harassing me to give her my driver's lisence and then report it lost or stolen to the Ontario government so she can get into bars and I can get a new one. I don't particularly like the idea of lying to the government about the status of official documents, nor do I really trust my sister to stay out of trouble while she has my ID on her.

Then tell her "Hell No! No trust = no license beeyatch" :D

My little sister is harassing me to give her my driver's lisence and then report it lost or stolen to the Ontario government so she can get into bars and I can get a new one. I don't particularly like the idea of lying to the government about the status of official documents, nor do I really trust my sister to stay out of trouble while she has my ID on her.

Ok, that's slightly different, because it means hassle for you. Depends on how much her social life matters to you, I guess. I doubt it would be destroyed by not having her sister commit a criminal offence, though.

No, because bars suck and are full of losers and drunks. Plus, alcohol isn't really that good, especially if its shitty beer. If they are actually willing to take the risk and go to a bar with a "fake" ID and waste their money on liquor, they are obviously too immature/stupid to even warrant such consideration from me. (As you can see, I don't like bars or drinking).

Of course, there's the legal aspect, but that's not as important in this case.

Have you actually gone to a good bar? If so, you'd know that this isn't the case at all.

Let them get their own drink.lazy bums.and where in the world do you need id to get into a bar?into a nightclub maybe,but not a bar.

Well, if I had a younger sibling who was close enough to the the drinking age, I wouldn't give them my ID, instead, I'd bring home something. It's better if their first drink is at home.

Well, if I had a younger sibling who was close enough to the the drinking age, I wouldn't give them my ID, instead, I'd bring home something. It's better if their first drink is at home.
Well, yeah, I'll buy her booze for the purpose of drinking at home or at her friend's homes.

It's not an issue of drinking for her, it's a matter of being able to get in should there be a lisenced event I think.

Well, yeah, I'll buy her booze for the purpose of drinking at home or at her friend's homes.

It's not an issue of drinking for her, it's a matter of being able to get in should there be a lisenced event I think.
That's the thing, I think there is far too much risk in that because they aren't in a secure environment.

Uhm. No. For simple reasons:

I'm the older brother of a younger sister. That wouldn't work too well.

Although I'm three years older than she is, we are both of legal drinking age anywhere around the world. Why bother.

My ID costs me € 30 ($ 42) - it'd be cheaper if the kids got drunk off the beer they paid me to get for them. Unless they are younger than 16. Then they won't get any.

It'd be irresponable not to...

...the again I'm an only child. I have bought alchol for minor though, if that counts.

I just would preffer not to
Thank you bartleby

anyway, I would. Sadly, I can't. No younger siblings. Which makes it a bit confusing as to why I responded in the first place, considering its a thread for older siblings

If you're of age to drink and go to bars in your area and your younger sibling of the same gender is not, would you give them your id and tell the government that you lost it so they could go to bars?
Na. What I always did was just buy them booze, and have a party at my place. They loved it, because then they could crash there. And I didn't give a shit what they did, as long as they didn't puke in my shoes. More than once I mean. I forgave them the first time:D

No, because bars suck and are full of losers and drunks. This is the part I agree with.

And my brothers, being young punks with little cash, far preferred what they could afford 'wholesale' than what they could get in the bar.

I, however, got an older girl's ID when I was 15. And oddly enough, it was never ever questioned. It wasn't until I got my OWN LEGIT ID that I actually had a bouncer claim it was a fake and kick me out. Karma? Perhaps.

My little sister is harassing me to give her my driver's lisence and then report it lost or stolen to the Ontario government so she can get into bars and I can get a new one. I don't particularly like the idea of lying to the government about the status of official documents, nor do I really trust my sister to stay out of trouble while she has my ID on her.
It's harder with the new digital ID cards...and I wouldn't risk it frankly. Plus, it's going to cost you a bundle to get a new one. I say...if you're not comfortable with it, don't bother.

The risk to the older sibling is massive. Fines in some places can be quite stiff, not to mention if it gets out of hand there may -probally won't- be criminal charges.

'sides, there are still plenty of ways to dummy up a decent fake ID. Particularly if you live in Queensland, Australia. The state that has accidentally send out the ID making packs to school leavers, two years in a row...

My brother Keith looks nothing like me and turns 21 in 6 days, and my younger brother Andrew is 16. I have a full beard in my ID and he can barely grow stubble. It wouldn't work out.

Though, if it would work out, I certainly wouldn't mind selling my ID to one of them.

Can't say I would.

In addition to the whole "Its slightly illegal" thing, I learned the hard way what drinking without the maturity to handle it gets you. If either of my younger siblings wants to drink before they turn 21, then they can come up with their own scheme and deal with whatever consequences there are. I just can't in good conscience aid them in doing it.

before they turn 21
Poor kids.

Poor kids.

Hey I'm not really in favor of being able to enlist and not be able to down a few shots, but I am in favor of following the law. Though if it ever comes up to a vote...

Heh, is that the decline of western civilization I see on the horizon?

Heh, is that the decline of western civilization I see on the horizon?
No, that's Europe, where no country has a legal drinking age of more than 18*...


*as far as I know

Why doesn't your sister just get drunk with her friends at someones house with the parents away like normal teenagers? I was doing that when I was 14, although sometimes the parents were there and didn't care.

Why doesn't your sister just get drunk with her friends at someones house with the parents away like normal teenagers? I was doing that when I was 14, although sometimes the parents were there and didn't care.
Well, for one thing she thinks she's more grown up than she is. This is the kid who would like to think she's going on 30 but has absolutely no responsabilities around the house and nothing but disposable income.
For another, she wants a fake ID so she can go to see concerts that are 19+.

Well, for one thing she thinks she's more grown up than she is. This is the kid who would like to think she's going on 30 but has absolutely no responsabilities around the house and nothing but disposable income.
For another, she wants a fake ID so she can go to see concerts that are 19+.

Yeah concerts are a good point. The only time I really had that problem was when there were 2 R18 gigs on consecutive nights by my favourite band (They like playing small venues, so they did 2 gigs) and I was 16 at the time. I sent an angry e-mail to one of the more influential DJs on the 'official' radio station of the gig, and about 5 days later they announced a 3rd gig that was to be all ages. I don't know if I had any effect on it, but it was kind of cool. I still have a signed drumstick from that gig.

I know. It pissed me off a bunch when I was underage and couldn't go to shows... but that doesn't mean I'm going to break the law for her, especially since I don't consider her mature enough to not do something stupid and then flash my ID, landing me in shit.

In my state, if they find out you concisely helped to facilitate a minor purchasing alcohol in any way, you will get sent to prison. So no.