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Should posters report others to the mods?

UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 05:38
Inspired by another convo (poll comming)

Should posters report rule infractions to the moderators?
Meaning morally
I have found some posters that feel it is not right to report things so I was just curious
Fass
23-11-2005, 05:40
Didn't we just have this thread?

I'm reporting this as a copy cat. :p
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 05:41
Didn't we just have this thread?

I'm reporting this as a copy cat. :p
Really? I see the ignore list thing but I was not aware of any other
Sinuhue
23-11-2005, 05:42
The way I see it, General is a community. And if we don't want it to go to shit, we follow the posting rules, and ensure that others make an honest attempt to do the same. Not because we're ass-kissing mod-monkeys, but because we give a shit about General...else we wouldn't be here up to friggin' 12k posts. I stay because though it gets heated, it rarely devolves into a mud-slinging contest. Plus, the mods can't be everywhere.
Sinuhue
23-11-2005, 05:44
Really? I see the ignore list thing but I was not aware of any other
Hahahahahaha.

Fass gotcha:) He's slick he is!
Antikythera
23-11-2005, 05:45
what goes around comes around as in do unto others as you would have them do to you
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 05:46
what goes around comes around as in do unto others as you would have them do to you
ABSOUTLY if I broke the rules I would hope to be reported just as fast as any other

If I was to that point I would need a wakeup call anyways
The Nazz
23-11-2005, 05:46
The way I see it, General is a community. And if we don't want it to go to shit, we follow the posting rules, and ensure that others make an honest attempt to do the same. Not because we're ass-kissing mod-monkeys, but because we give a shit about General...else we wouldn't be here up to friggin' 12k posts. I stay because though it gets heated, it rarely devolves into a mud-slinging contest. Plus, the mods can't be everywhere.
Hear hear.
Sinuhue
23-11-2005, 05:47
what goes around comes around as in do unto others as you would have them do to you
Yeah well. I've been reported, and for good reason. I'm not too worried. If I'm being ass, I shouldn't be inflicting myself on other posters, and if I need to be removed, so be it. That's not going to stop me from reporting people if they deserve it.
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 05:48
The way I see it, General is a community. And if we don't want it to go to shit, we follow the posting rules, and ensure that others make an honest attempt to do the same. Not because we're ass-kissing mod-monkeys, but because we give a shit about General...else we wouldn't be here up to friggin' 12k posts. I stay because though it gets heated, it rarely devolves into a mud-slinging contest. Plus, the mods can't be everywhere.
Echoed by me as well
Silliopolous
23-11-2005, 05:49
Generally speaking, I can't be bothered in cases of flaming, flamebaiting, or whatever. I'm a big boy and not inclined to take internet discussions personally.

Mind you, I probably don't simply because the board is generally well maintained as far as keeping such things to a manageable level.

And if it turned into a juvenile flame-fest (like some boards I've frequented), then I'd probably just leave.

The only item I ever raised on the Mod board was a question on an issue with some content that I thought was inappropriate, however I specifically stated tat I was not looking for sanctions against the poster therof, but rather wanted a rules clarification.


But morality doesn't enter into it. The board gets kept maintained because of those who DO point out the flagrant transgressors. And most of the people I've seen get pissed that they keep getting reported are people who probably deserve to be more closely watched because of their actions - so it's hardly an issue of persecution of the innocent.
The Nazz
23-11-2005, 05:51
Yeah well. I've been reported, and for good reason. I'm not too worried.
Me too. And while I've never been banned, I've been warned, and when I looked back on it, I deserved it (except once, and when I asked for reconsideration, the mod rescinded it). As a result, even though I get heated at times, I generally keep it in line, and the board is a better place for it.

I mean, I spend some time in Moderation, just to see what's getting reported, and at times there's some pretty penny ante shit getting reported, but most of the time, the stuff that gets reported deserves it.
Fass
23-11-2005, 05:51
Really? I see the ignore list thing but I was not aware of any other

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453219

Just a week old, but yours is different, I was just joking, and that one was locked.
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 05:52
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453219

Just a week old, but yours is different, I was just joking, and that one was locked.
Ahh that one I remember :)
Daistallia 2104
23-11-2005, 05:55
I don't really understand what objection people have to it.
I see it in a similar fashion to Sinuhue. To me it's the same as making a statement to the police would be in the real world.
I do report, but not often.
Neo Kervoskia
23-11-2005, 05:57
I've been reported several times and I deserved each and every warning and ban.

The only thing I report in moderation are spam and sometimes obvious flaming.
Sinuhue
23-11-2005, 05:58
Eichen suggested in that last thread that people report because they don't have the brains or balls to deal with the situation themselves. But you generally CAN'T 'deal' with the situation...if someone is really being an ass, flaming, or posting offensive stuff, you have no power to boot them out. And if you start picking at them, you're generally going to get a kick to the arse as well.
Neo Kervoskia
23-11-2005, 06:00
Eichen suggested in that last thread that people report because they don't have the brains or balls to deal with the situation themselves. But you generally CAN'T 'deal' with the situation...if someone is really being an ass, flaming, or posting offensive stuff, you have no power to boot them out. And if you start picking at them, you're generally going to get a kick to the arse as well.
Use ignore.
Sinuhue
23-11-2005, 06:05
Use ignore.
Ignore them, rather than report them? I don't think so. Most of the time I'm not reporting people who are flaming ME anyway...plenty of the new posters don't even realise they can report a flaming jerk. Screw this whole 'code of silence' crap. It's not a weakness to report people who are fucking up the board. It's taking an active hand in the quality of this forum.
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:07
Ignore them, rather than report them? I don't think so. Most of the time I'm not reporting people who are flaming ME anyway...plenty of the new posters don't even realise they can report a flaming jerk. Screw this whole 'code of silence' crap. It's not a weakness to report people who are fucking up the board. It's taking an active hand in the quality of this forum.
Absolutly

Actualy I dont remember the last time I reported someone directly flaiming me ...
Sinuhue
23-11-2005, 06:09
Absolutly

Actualy I dont remember the last time I reported someone directly flaiming me ...
I can't remember the last time I was flamed directly period...I've been in pretty low-key sex threads lately, and those are all lovey-dovey:)
FireAntz
23-11-2005, 06:09
While I personally have very thick skin, and don't care what people say to me, I can see a few reasons for a mod report, such as if someone is making fun of someones family, or telling a depressed person to just kill themselves.

It's the people who go to the mod forum for every little thing that offends them. It's sad that a few posters here seem to start more threads in moderation than general. I t just makes them look like babies who can't take adult arguments.

Pick a poster, do a search for thread starts, and see how many of the threads they start are in moderation. It's actually quite telling. I just did it, and I'm a bit disappointed in someone at the moment.
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:11
While I personally have very thick skin, and don't care what people say to me, I can see a few reasons for a mod report, such as if someone is making fun of someones family, or telling a depressed person to just kill themselves.

It's the people who go to the mod forum for every little thing that offends them. It's sad that a few posters here seem to start more threads in moderation than general. I t just makes them look like babies who can't take adult arguments.

Pick a poster, do a search for thread starts, and see how many of the threads they start are in moderation. It's actually quite telling. I just did it, and I'm a bit disappointed in someone at the moment.
oh who might that be?
FireAntz
23-11-2005, 06:12
Ignore them, rather than report them? I don't think so. Most of the time I'm not reporting people who are flaming ME anyway...plenty of the new posters don't even realise they can report a flaming jerk. Screw this whole 'code of silence' crap. It's not a weakness to report people who are fucking up the board. It's taking an active hand in the quality of this forum.
That all depends on your definition of quality. While I don't appreciate random newb posters starting threads titled "America sucks" or "Europeans are pussies" , I'm just as pissed when I'm having a heated discussion with another adult, and someone thinks they need to play daddy, and report it.
Fass
23-11-2005, 06:13
Ignore them, rather than report them? I don't think so. Most of the time I'm not reporting people who are flaming ME anyway...plenty of the new posters don't even realise they can report a flaming jerk. Screw this whole 'code of silence' crap. It's not a weakness to report people who are fucking up the board. It's taking an active hand in the quality of this forum.

Why must you be so agreeable tonight? We're supposed to have differing opinions, dammit!
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:13
That all depends on your definition of quality. While I don't appreciate random newb posters starting threads titled "America sucks" or "Europeans are pussies" , I'm just as pissed when I'm having a heated discussion with another adult, and someone thinks they need to play daddy, and report it.
If you are breaking the rules in this "heated debate" it deserves to be reported regardless of how you feel about it
FireAntz
23-11-2005, 06:13
oh who might that be?
If I wasn't worried about being punished for flaming, I'd post it on here. See what tattle tales do?

I'll TG it to you if you want, though! ;)
Fass
23-11-2005, 06:15
That all depends on your definition of quality. While I don't appreciate random newb posters starting threads titled "America sucks" or "Europeans are pussies" , I'm just as pissed when I'm having a heated discussion with another adult, and someone thinks they need to play daddy, and report it.

And you know this other person is an adult... how? Nevertheless, if you are misbehaving, then you get reported, nevermind that both of you can take it. Reciprocation or mutual acceptance of the misbehaviour does not render it less misbehaving.
FireAntz
23-11-2005, 06:16
If you are breaking the rules in this "heated debate" it deserves to be reported regardless of how you feel about it
I'm not sure how another poster and me having a heated debate affects people with the ability to leave the thread.

Besides, I'm not deabating the rules, as it is pointless, and tends to piss the mods off. And I don't blame them any more than I blame a cop for being arrested for having pot. I hate the legislation, not the enforcer of it. A job is a Job. ;)
FireAntz
23-11-2005, 06:17
And you know this other person is an adult... how? Nevertheless, if you are misbehaving, then you get reported, nevermind that both of you can take it. Reciprocation or mutual acceptance of the misbehaviour does not render it less misbehaving.
That's an interesting take coming from you, Fass :rolleyes:
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:17
And you know this other person is an adult... how? Nevertheless, if you are misbehaving, then you get reported, nevermind that both of you can take it. Reciprocation or mutual acceptance of the misbehaviour does not render it less misbehaving.
Exactly ... and you have to remember these are public grounds not private conversations

What you say does NOT always just effect the other person you are arguing with
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:19
I'm not sure how another poster and me having a heated debate affects people with the ability to leave the thread.

Besides, I'm not deabating the rules, as it is pointless, and tends to piss the mods off. And I don't blame them any more than I blame a cop for being arrested for having pot. I hate the legislation, not the enforcer of it. A job is a Job. ;)
This is a public forum not a private discussion ... you may not to think it affects others but it does and has an effect on the thread you are in

IF you are breaking the rules that effect is not something desired in this forum
CanuckHeaven
23-11-2005, 06:20
I have found some posters that feel it is not right to report things so I was just curious
I do hope that you are not referring to me as one of those posters?
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:21
I do hope that you are not referring to me as one of those posters?
Not really it sparked the idea but not really about you ... sorry if it seemed that way
I just did not think to make the thread till you sparked the memories :)

:fluffle: :fluffle:
Fass
23-11-2005, 06:23
That's an interesting take coming from you, Fass :rolleyes:

It is? How? I've been reported several times, and most of those times the report was warranted. I was even banned recently, and deservedly so. I didn't bitch about the reporting, and will never do as long as it is warranted, which it is in the majority of cases.
FireAntz
23-11-2005, 06:25
Exactly ... and you have to remember these are public grounds not private conversations

What you say does NOT always just effect the other person you are arguing with
That's is F#$%ing hilarious. We talk about war, death, people burned to death by WP, rape, murder, suicide, rasicm, and all sorts of bad things in here, and your gonna tell me that offending people is what we should be careful of because it's a "public" forum? We can talk about all of that, but god forbid I tell someone to "fuck off", because there might be sensitive people present? :rolleyes:
Secret aj man
23-11-2005, 06:26
Inspired by another convo (poll comming)

Should posters report rule infractions to the moderators?
Meaning morally
I have found some posters that feel it is not right to report things so I was just curious

myself,i find it morally repugnant to rat/tattle...whatever.

man up and argue your point,belittle me or...ignore...thats just me,i was raised you deal with your own problems or ignore the person that antagonises you.
when i grew up,
never ever run and tattle,they usually learned not to tattle after the first time..myself included.

again,just a personal opinion,i would never ever run and cry that someones not playing fair or hurt my feelings.
kinda babyish to me,but others may feel otherwise and i respect that as well.
i just ignore people that offend/irratate/flame..whatever me..or i argue back until i deem it fruitless.
:fluffle:
Fass
23-11-2005, 06:27
That's is F#$%ing hilarious. We talk about war, death, people burned to death by WP, rape, murder, suicide, rasicm, and all sorts of bad things in here, and your gonna tell me that offending people is what we should be careful of because it's a "public" forum? We can talk about all of that, but god forbid I tell someone to "fuck off", because there might be sensitive people present? :rolleyes:

This place has rules. If you can't take being reported when you break them, and censured accordingly, then you should ask yourself if you should remain here.
Monkeypimp
23-11-2005, 06:27
I very rarely report and haven't yet recieved an official warning after 6 and a half thousand dirty posts. Pwned j00 n00bs.
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:28
snip
, and your gonna tell me that offending people is what we should be careful of because it's a "public" forum? snip
Nope Im not going to tell you that
Because it is not about offense

Its about quality of discussion ... flaming being one major detractor from the purpose of the game and forum ... to interact and debate and discuss various topics

Personal flaming and many of the other rules are in place expressly because thoes actions interfere with the purpose of the forums

It has nothing to do about offending anyone ... when did I say that?
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:29
I very rarely report and haven't yet recieved an official warning after 6 and a half thousand dirty posts. Pwned j00 n00bs.
Nope not warning in 12.2 k posts ;) I R0X0rZs!!111!
CanuckHeaven
23-11-2005, 06:30
Not really it sparked the idea but not really about you ... sorry if it seemed that way
I just did not think to make the thread till you sparked the memories :)

:fluffle: :fluffle:
Oh okay, because I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea. Just because I personally have never reported anyone to the Mods, doesn't mean that I think that it is wrong to do so.

Despite being flamed from here to Hell and back, I just choose not to report such incidents. But that is just MY choice, and others are free to follow their conscience.
Fass
23-11-2005, 06:31
Nope not warning in 12.2 k posts ;) I R0X0rZs!!111!

That's 'cause your posts are £4|\/|3®$. ;)
Secret aj man
23-11-2005, 06:32
Me too. And while I've never been banned, I've been warned, and when I looked back on it, I deserved it (except once, and when I asked for reconsideration, the mod rescinded it). As a result, even though I get heated at times, I generally keep it in line, and the board is a better place for it.

I mean, I spend some time in Moderation, just to see what's getting reported, and at times there's some pretty penny ante shit getting reported, but most of the time, the stuff that gets reported deserves it.

good point,penny ante stuff is what i was referring too...however,on more serious issues such as content,well yes,there is a place for some form of control.
i just feel if you have a personal issue with someones politics,or just dont like them,and run to the mods,then that i consider grade school running to the teacher stuff.
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:32
That's 'cause your posts are £4|\/|3®$. ;)
Lol Sometimes yes :p
Harlesburg
23-11-2005, 06:36
I reported a thread that was in the wrong place just 2 days ago.:gundge:
Fass
23-11-2005, 06:40
I reported a thread that was in the wrong place just 2 days ago.

You awful person you.
HeathenHaven
23-11-2005, 06:43
I don't report ppl on any board. I usually don't give a fook what they say. It's internet and has about as much effect on my life as some guy in in Timbuktu spilling his morning coffee on his trousers. Internet talk is not "real". How many ppl remember in detail a post from a year ago that upset them at the time? How much did that effect did that post have on your life?
When I first starting posting on various boards 5 yrs ago I would so pissed off at certain ppl, but now for the life of me I have no clue what the fook the said. Hell I don't even remember their names! All I remember is that they pissed me off at the time.
Non-violent Adults
23-11-2005, 06:45
Nobody here has a moral obligation to report rule violations.
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:45
I don't report ppl on any board. I usually don't give a fook what they say. It's internet and has about as much effect on my life as some guy in in Timbuktu spilling his morning coffee on his trousers. Internet talk is not "real". How many ppl remember in detail a post from a year ago that upset them at the time? How much did that effect did that post have on your life?
When I first starting posting on various boards 5 yrs ago I would so pissed off at certain ppl, but now for the life of me I have no clue what the fook the said. Hell I don't even remember their names! All I remember is that they pissed me off at the time.
Why do people always think it is about personal offense rather then maintaining of the board rules which in turn gives this board the atmosphere that is what was intended by the board creator (and the reason some of us stick around this long)
Harlesburg
23-11-2005, 06:46
You awful person you.
I know, i shall have to say my Hail Mary's tonight.

It is the only time and pretty much the only time i would do that otherwise id say let the apes go free.
Fass
23-11-2005, 06:50
Why do people always think it is about personal offense rather then maintaining of the board rules which in turn gives this board the atmosphere that is what was intended by the board creator (and the reason some of us stick around this long)

I believe it is a projection - they can't understand that some people want to take care of something they enjoy if it isn't theirs, if they're not provoked into it, or have some ulterior moddabe motive behind it, so they project this provocation and moddabism onto them.
UpwardThrust
23-11-2005, 06:52
I believe it is a projection - they can't understand that somebody wants to take care of something he enjoys if it isn't his, if he's not provoked into it, or has some ulterior moddabe motive behind it, so they project this provocation and moddabism onto them.
Might have something to it ... I mean I am perfectly happy helping out with this project
Same reason I do open-source projects
I like this board I help make sure it is maintained to the standards that the person who controlls the forums wishes
I wish to preserve the forums ... it has nothing to do with "thick" or "thin" skin (hell anyone that has made it to the few k posts usualy has to have a simbiance of thick skin anyways by that point)
Marrakech II
23-11-2005, 07:24
I only reported once. Was a person asking the best way to kill themselves. Was a bit disturbing. I know I wasnt the only one that reported that either.
Grainne Ni Malley
23-11-2005, 07:28
Generally speaking, I wouldn't because it feels too much like whining, but in severe cases like the person asking about suicide I would. First, I'd have to go figure out how.
FireAntz
23-11-2005, 07:30
I only reported once. Was a person asking the best way to kill themselves. Was a bit disturbing. I know I wasnt the only one that reported that either.
Now THAT is a good reason! Someone calling you an idiot isn't. It just makes you look petty. *shrugs*
Fass
23-11-2005, 07:39
Now THAT is a good reason! Someone calling you an idiot isn't. It just makes you look petty. *shrugs*

I took a cursory look at the threads in moderation made this week, and I see none where anyone was reported for such a minor thing.
Vaitupu
23-11-2005, 07:47
I understand both points of view, and I have to say Sin, Fass, and Upward are the ones I have to agree with.

This is a public board for debating issues. person A and B are having a heated debate. Fine. others can throw in their $0.02 easily for either side. Now person A starts to just say "fuck off" or starts flaming rather than arguing. The discussion dies, noone else can really join in to save it. Breaking the rules at the very least damages the threads it is in, if not outright destroying them. Get that in enough threads, and general would become a very dull place.

That said, I don't often report people mostly because I've held myself to more tame threads where flames are less of a problem. But if I do see something really out of line, then I'll report it.
Daistallia 2104
23-11-2005, 07:50
I reported a thread that was in the wrong place just 2 days ago.:gundge:

A good point - people don't just report flames.

Having searched up my own moderation record, I see that just under 2% of my posts are in Moderation. Missplaced posts also seem to make up a fair bit of my moderation postings. I also seem to ask for lots of clarifications and report some naughty links and spam. I'm not even sure if I have reported anyone flaming me. (And, come to think of it, I can't remember the last time someone did.)

All that kind of reportage is akin to picking up someone elses litter and giving directions, IMO.
FireAntz
23-11-2005, 07:53
I took a cursory look at the threads in moderation made this week, and I see none where anyone was reported for such a minor thing.
Must have been a slow week then, I guess.

I have, however, taken a look at all of your threads in moderation. All I have to say is wow. Do you realize your moderation threads outnumber ALL of your other threads? By quite a bit too! If I had to guess, I'd say you have control issues, which you try to compensate for. Kinda like a mall cop. :D
Fass
23-11-2005, 08:18
Must have been a slow week then, I guess.

I haven't noticed. It's been a pretty standard week, IMHO.

I have, however, taken a look at all of your threads in moderation. All I have to say is wow. Do you realize your moderation threads outnumber ALL of your other threads? By quite a bit too!

Easily explained by the fact that in Moderation every moderation report that is separate from another gets its own thread. Every separate move request gets its own thread. Every separate merge suggestion. Every separate spam report. Every separate lock request. Every separate question for elucidation. Every separate flame report. And so on, and so on. In General, there are already threads on many, many topics and you add posts to threads a lot more often than you do in moderation, which is not a place for debate, and you start a lot less threads.

I.e. Moderation is fundamentally different from General, since most new posts by users there are thread starts. Your "analysis" thus gives a biased and distorted view. A much more balanced way at looking at things is doing a post search in the two forums, not a threadstarter search.

If I had to guess, I'd say you have control issues, which you try to compensate for. Kinda like a mall cop. :D

You guess wrong.
Harlesburg
23-11-2005, 08:25
A good point - people don't just report flames.

Having searched up my own moderation record, I see that just under 2% of my posts are in Moderation. Missplaced posts also seem to make up a fair bit of my moderation postings. I also seem to ask for lots of clarifications and report some naughty links and spam. I'm not even sure if I have reported anyone flaming me. (And, come to think of it, I can't remember the last time someone did.)

All that kind of reportage is akin to picking up someone elses litter and giving directions, IMO.
How did you do that?
Do you mean you searched through your old threads?
Daistallia 2104
23-11-2005, 08:36
How did you do that?
Do you mean you searched through your old threads?

Just a simple search for my name in moderation by post instead of thread (although thread works OK as well).
New Fuglies
23-11-2005, 09:06
I rarely ever do unless it's egregiously offensive.

I did recently suggest a thread to be locked before it gets out of handbut it calmed down on its own. (the bold part is for Euroslavia - my emphasis.)


Anyhoo... I think this shall be my last post here as it seems I made a few enemies of the sort who seem unable to comprehend subtelties (not to mention past participle verb tenses) and then fly off the handle. I mostly lurk anyhoo so I won't be missed but I will miss posting here.

Goodbye. :(
Harlesburg
23-11-2005, 09:11
Just a simple search for my name in moderation by post instead of thread (although thread works OK as well).
Simple enough.
Makes sense too.

I still havent voted but i think i am leaning towards other.
Harlesburg
23-11-2005, 09:12
I rarely ever do unless it's egregiously offensive.

I did recently suggest a thread to be locked before it gets out of handbut it calmed down on its own. (the bold part is for Euroslavia - my emphasis.)


Anyhoo... I think this shall be my last post here as it seems I made a few enemies of the sort who seem unable to comprehend subtelties (not to mention past participle verb tenses) and then fly off the handle. I mostly lurk anyhoo so I won't be missed but I will miss posting here.

Goodbye. :(
Dont make me slap some sense into you!
Stick around.
Mariehamn
23-11-2005, 09:44
Now I didn't read anything but the first post, but I have a story.... *actually, I've read everything now, but thanks to school computer techy guy, I was not able to*

In the third grade, at the tender age of 7 (or 8, forgot), I had a teacher. Amazing, I had a teacher! Anyhow, one time I said to a kid, "Hey, you have a cow-lick in your hair, because when you were born, a cow licked your forehead." Anyhow, in hindsight, I can see that the phrase could be interpreted as "he was born in a barn," and thus I must have been implying that his socio-economic standing was below the poverty line. So, he runs up to the teacher, informs them of my misconduct, and recieves, yes, you guessed it, a donkey's tale, pinned to his lower back (can't touch the bottom in American public schools ya know, that's only on the football field). Anyhow, I now realize that he was not merely a "taddle tale," but a "JACKASS!" Or maybe I was...dunno....

Anyhow, I'd report someone if they killed somebody or something. I like to try to handle things myself, I've had a couple bad occurences. Never reported anyone.
Gruenberg
23-11-2005, 09:45
I have reported a few things (~50, I'd guess) in my time. I don't think any of them have been flames: predominantly, I report stuff that's in the wrong forum, or is spam. I have never lost any sleep over it.

Reporting flames is slightly different. To me, ad hominem is one of the weakest (or strongest, depending on your perspective) fallacies. If someone flames you, you're probably winning the debate. So in that sense, I don't really see the point. Also, it's the internet: grow some skin.

But I have nothing against people who report stuff to the mods, because it makes their job easier, and it's no big thing anyway. I would add two caveats:
1) I dislike intensely the 'mods as weapons' game, notably practiced by DLE;
2) if people report to the mods, they should expect exactly the same treatment themselves.
Gruenberg
23-11-2005, 09:53
Just thought I'd add: really, really do report game rules violations, especially illegal proposals.
Cabra West
23-11-2005, 10:05
I reported once... the reason was that the person in question was seriously messing up a thread I had until that point really enjoyed. He hijacked, flamed, trolled, the whole lot. In short, he was an annoying little prick and at one point, I just wanted him out of there and continue on with the discussion.

And I have been reported once and my thread got locked. I still don't really see the point in that, as it wasn't offensive in the classical sense. That, and I would have appreciated if the person reporting had made his opinion clear in the thread itself first of all.

Generally, I don't have a problem with anybody reporting anything and having the mods decide on further action, if any. But I think politeness demands that the concerns are first presented to the "offensive" person...
Valdania
23-11-2005, 10:37
I rarely ever do unless it's egregiously offensive. :(

Is that supposed to be a joke?
UpwardThrust
27-11-2005, 07:36
Is that supposed to be a joke?
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e·gre·gious Audio pronunciation of "egregiously" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-grjs, -j-s)
adj.

Conspicuously bad or offensive. See Synonyms at flagrant.

How is it a joke to report a conspiciously bad or offensive post? (besides being redundant like "NIC Card")
Undelia
27-11-2005, 07:57
I don’t report, probably never will, but some things need to be brought to the mods attentions immediately. Things that I don’t want to see. *Thinks back to a few months ago and shudders.*
UpwardThrust
27-11-2005, 07:58
I don’t report, probably never will, but some things need to be brought to the mods attentions immediately. Things that I don’t want to see. *Thinks back to a few months ago and shudders.*
Meaning gotsee pics? lol agreed
Melkor Unchained
27-11-2005, 21:01
Depends on the situation, but broadly speaking I'd say "no." If we start to beleive that it's some sort of moral imperative to report everyone for the littlest thing, in the end we've accomplished little besides turning the entire forumgoing public against each other, which you guys seem to do well enough on your own.

As a strictly professional concern, a "yes" answer [or a prevailing attitude to that effect] would probably cut our efficiency by a good 50%, seeing as we'd receive piles of tasks all referencing the same incident [since there is no way for players to cross-reference lodged tasks. It would also foster an increase in the completely ridiculous tasks like "so-and-so called me rude and I want you to delete him for it or I'm not buying your book," and so forth.

Last but certainly not least, the moderators are volunteers even, which means [by way of technicality] that not even we are obligated to report infractions if we see them [although I do anyway in most cases; but sometimes I'm too lazy to load up the Centre when someone spams my inbox], being that we can always opt to do something else. I use this technicality a lot when I walk in from work and someone is ranting in #themodcave about a possible 150 nation UN multi that's been trying to crack passwords. Sometimes, I lack the will and the time to deal with headaches like this, especially after walking in from the job I get paid for.
Portu Cale MK3
28-11-2005, 00:23
It depends on how serious it is, but in principle no.
Neutered Sputniks
29-11-2005, 19:31
Ahh, but the question is...when is it time for someone to be reported?

Having myself been reported recently and then warned because I called someone an idiot, I can assure you, people need to grow thicker skin.

Who is anyone else to know when my skin isnt thick enough to take some flames?

Dont get me wrong, there's a point where too much is too much, but who has the right to determine that besides the poster receiving the flames?

Remember, you can only be offended if you choose to let yourself be offended.
Barvinia
30-11-2005, 14:46
WARNING! I am closely monitoring you all and just waiting to report the slightest slip-up. Tread with caution! :p
Legless Pirates
30-11-2005, 14:52
No one likes a snitch

But if the mods do go ape on your ass: Suck it up!
Deep Kimchi
30-11-2005, 16:25
No one likes a snitch

But if the mods do go ape on your ass: Suck it up!

Could have fooled me. Everyone here loves the snitches.
The Cat-Tribe
01-12-2005, 10:42
It depends on how serious and how continuous it is. Sometimes someone will just throw in the word "idiot" and that shouldn't be a big deal. Othertimes someone will be insulting in a whole series of posts.

Unfortunately, whether something gets reported is arbitrary, but how the Mods will respond often appears even more arbitrary.
Fenland Friends
01-12-2005, 10:49
It depends on how serious and how continuous it is. Sometimes someone will just throw in the word "idiot" and that shouldn't be a big deal. Othertimes someone will be insulting in a whole series of posts.

Unfortunately, whether something gets reported is arbitrary, but how the Mods will respond often appears even more arbitrary.

As a relative newbie, I was involved in a bit of a stramash on a thread regarding the British Empire. I have to say, I thought that was, to some extent, the point of NS. It did get a bit personal at times, but from my point of view when someone starts calling you names and swearing at you, they've lost the argument. No big deal.
Kanabia
01-12-2005, 10:50
Meh i let other people play the role of dobber.
Monkeypimp
01-12-2005, 10:58
Meh i let other people play the role of dobber.

I generally do. I haven't dobbed in ages, and I think the last one was about goatse.
Kanabia
01-12-2005, 10:59
I generally do. I haven't dobbed in ages, and I think the last one was about goatse.

HOW DARE YOU SPOIL OODLES OF GOATSE FUN!!!!!!

:p
Potaria
01-12-2005, 10:59
HOW DARE YOU SPOIL OODLES OF GOATSE FUN!!!!!!

:p

Hai2U is better. :D
Monkeypimp
01-12-2005, 11:00
HOW DARE YOU SPOIL OODLES OF GOATSE FUN!!!!!!

:p

It had obviously been less than 20 minutes since my last wank and I was still on the comedown (so to speak)
Kanabia
01-12-2005, 11:04
It had obviously been less than 20 minutes since my last wank and I was still on the comedown (so to speak)

OK, OK. That's a valid excuse. I'm sure it accelerated the comedown.