NationStates Jolt Archive

Everybody loves speculation, right? Right! If we didn't, we'd never watch any major news media outlet because 75% of that is speculative news.

So, anyway, I've seen everyone going on and on about who's running for President of the United States and the usual bluster of names come up: McCain, Clinton, etc etc.

So, after much soul searching and congressional record, gubernatorial record, and general personality checks, I, Keruvalia, have decided who I'd like to see run for President in 2008.

US Congressman Rahm Emanuel, 5th District, Illinois.

Why:

1] He didn't forget Poland! Emanuel sponsored H.RES.78: Recognizing the importance of designating the Republic of Poland as a program country for purposes of the visa waiver program under section 217 of the Immigration and Nationality Act and urging the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of State to assist Poland in qualifying for such program AND H.CON.RES.470 : Recognizing the 60th anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising during World War II.

2] He didn't forget the Vets! Emanuel sponsored H.R.461 : To prevent the sale of abusive insurance and investment products to military personnel AND H.R.4243 : To amend title 10, United States Code, to lift certain restrictions on gifts to members of the Armed Forces being treated for illness or injury incurred on active duty AND H.R.3472 : To amend title 10, United States Code, to enhance the protection of members of the Armed Forces and their spouses from unscrupulous financial services sales practices through increased consumer education, and for other purposes AND H.R.1982 : To amend titles 10 and 38, United States Code, to increase benefits for members of the Armed Forces who, after September 11, 2001, serve on active duty outside the United States or its territories or possessions as part of a contingency operation (including a humanitarian operation, peacekeeping operation, or similar operation) or a combat operation.

3] He didn't forget the Students! Emanuel sponsored H.R.1277 : To expand college opportunities by significantly simplifying the Federal student aid application process.

4] He refused to sign the Energy Bill that would damage ANWR.

5] He's a Liberal Democrat who has a Dean-like backbone.

6] He's got experience! Two terms in the House, lots of local and national politics experience including Paul Simon’s 1984 election to the U.S. Senate, national campaign director for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in 1988, and senior advisor and chief fundraiser for Richard M. Daley’s victorious campaign for mayor of Chicago in 1989. He served as Director of Finance in the 1992 Presidential campaign of Bill Clinton and served as a top White House advisor from 1993-1998.

7] He's not a lawyer.


If he runs, and I've already dropped him a couple of letters about it, then he's got my support.

What .... nobody else been lookin' for someone they'd like to see? Come on, people! Give shout outs to your favorite possibility!

Someone well known? Someone who ran in 2004? An outsider dark horse? Your local high school principal?

Name names! Give reasons! Even addresses! You can't tell me that in this politically charged forum that people aren't really that interested in politics.

I hear its going to be Rice VS Clinton (hillary)

I hear its going to be Rice VS Clinton (hillary)

It won't be. Both have said there's no possibility of them running, so we take them out of the mix. I wouldn't vote for either of them, anyway. I might vote for Hillary just to help Bill become First Gentleman, but Hillary is too conservative for my tastes.

Douchebag VS Turdsandwich.

Douchebag VS Turdsandwich.
I think you've hit the nail on the pinhead. Whoever the two major parties choose, that's what it'll come down to.

2008 is far away. 2006 will be more interesting.

You had me until you compared him to Dean. Just the mention of his name turns my stomach! Now, I just hope he chokes on a pickle!

Heres a bit of advice. Don't listen to what the Liberal websites and talking heads say. Most people I've met, from the Right and the Left, don't like Dean.

I am *praying* for Ron Paul to get nominated by someone....

I hear its going to be Rice VS Clinton (hillary)

Thats a load of malarchy.

Douchebag VS Turdsandwich.

Corection, thats Giant Douche*.

I personally feel that we shold elect Donald Duck. It would be a better representive of the American system. A short tempered indiviudual that is often times hard to understand and quick to act. He would be a minority, and so would be able to relate to the frustrations of being such, and if all else failed, when the roasting came, it could turn out rather tasty.

Besides, at least this way it wouldn't be so obvious that the President is just a pupput.

Heres a bit of advice. Don't listen to what the Liberal websites and talking heads say. Most people I've met, from the Right and the Left, don't like Dean.

I don't. I read through the congressional records and I remember this man as a White House adviser under Clinton. I like him and I like his record. Nobody makes up my mind for me. :p

Also, I happen to like Dean. So there. Very rare in Washington circles is someone with a backbone. Dean has one. He speaks his mind and follows his conscience regardless of what's popular. That's why people don't like him.

I personally feel that we shold elect Donald Duck. It would be a better representive of the American system. A short tempered indiviudual that is often times hard to understand and quick to act.

We tried that ... Perot lost. ;)

I am *praying* for Ron Paul to get nominated by someone....
If Ron Paul were to run for the GOP, even I'd vote Republican just that once.
The "moral majority" and the "religious right" would despise him, though.
I think his uncompromising libertarian stance on social issues might even push them to vote Democrat. :eek: :D

I don't. I read through the congressional records and I remember this man as a White House adviser under Clinton. I like him and I like his record. Nobody makes up my mind for me. :p

Also, I happen to like Dean. So there. Very rare in Washington circles is someone with a backbone. Dean has one. He speaks his mind and follows his conscience regardless of what's popular. That's why people don't like him.
No, people don't like him because he goes around making ad hominim attacks, calling people liars, idiots, racists, and accusing people of things he has no proof of. Not to mention he puts his foot in his mouth (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/2/16/63616.shtml)more often then a prostitute with a foot fetish.

No, people don't like him because he goes around making ad hominim attacks, calling people liars, idiots, racists, and accusing people of things he has no proof of. Not to mention he puts his foot in his mouth (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/2/16/63616.shtml)more often then a prostitute with a foot fetish.

That's exactly why I like him, though. He's real. The average person goes about pretty much every day making ad hominem attacks, making baseless accusations, and putting their feet in their mouths. The average person does not have speech writers, spin doctors, and press agents. Neither should the President.

The average person does not have speech writers, spin doctors, and press agents. Neither should the President.

Well, to be fair, Bush acts and speaks like he didn't have them...

That's exactly why I like him, though. He's real. The average person goes about pretty much every day making ad hominem attacks, making baseless accusations, and putting their feet in their mouths. The average person does not have speech writers, spin doctors, and press agents. Neither should the President.
So he's good at acting like a dickhead, and that makes him a good candidate for president?

So he's good at acting like a dickhead, and that makes him a good candidate for president?

In a nation full of dickheads, yes.

Frankly, though, what you see as accusatory foot in mouthness, I see as refreshing honesty. At least he never flip flopped.

I don't. I read through the congressional records and I remember this man as a White House adviser under Clinton. I like him and I like his record. Nobody makes up my mind for me. :p

Also, I happen to like Dean. So there. Very rare in Washington circles is someone with a backbone. Dean has one. He speaks his mind and follows his conscience regardless of what's popular. That's why people don't like him.
I like Dean as well--my girlfriend still has her Dean For America bumpersticker on her truck, and three summers ago when we drove across the country to San Francisco, we did so with Dean yard signs in our car windows (we caravaned).

As for Emanuel, I don't know a ton about him other than that he's head of the DCCC this election cycle. Maybe if we win back one or both Houses of Congress, we get an Emanuel/Dean ticket (or a Dean/Emanuel one)?

Douchebag VS Turdsandwich.

Don't you mean Douchebag Vs Daterape?

Anyways, I will be writing in john stewart.

It amuses me to see amateur pundits scurrying about, pretending as if they can possibly resist the unstoppable rise of Jeb.

Just turn off the t.v. and put your ear out the window.. You can already hear the crowds chanting.. "Jeb! Jeb! Jeb!" You can hear into the future if you focus.. don't fight it! :)

It amuses me to see amateur pundits scurrying about, pretending as if they can possibly resist the unstoppable rise of Jeb.

Lol ... yeah. ;)

Anyway, come on people! This isn't the Debate Dean thread or the "I don't like" thread, this is the "Who I want and Why" thread!

Lol ... yeah. ;)

Anyway, come on people! This isn't the Debate Dean thread or the "I don't like" thread, this is the "Who I want and Why" thread!
Well, if I had my choice, it would be Dean in 2008, but he's not running it seems, so how's this for a ticket--Gore/Obama?

Well, if I had my choice, it would be Dean in 2008, but he's not running it seems, so how's this for a ticket--Gore/Obama?

Gore? Too bloated. Too shrill.. same problem Hillary's got.. If I were a democrat, I'd be pushing Bill Richardson.. he's a bit chubby, but he pulls it off. Good speaker, sounds sincere almost always, etc.

Democrat and Liberal, A Liberal Democrat Yak.

Gore? Too bloated. Too shrill.. same problem Hillary's got.. If I were a democrat, I'd be pushing Bill Richardson.. he's a bit chubby, but he pulls it off. Good speaker, sounds sincere almost always, etc.But since you're not a Democrat, why should any Democrat listen to any suggestion you make? I know that sounds snippy, and I don't mean it as such, but I can't help but chuckle when other people who would never in a million years vote for a Democrat suggest we run people like Lieberman who would piss off the base beyond all measure (like running Lincoln Chaffee would piss off the Republican base, for instance).

Richardson doesn't necessarily fall into that category--I'd consider him, no question. It's just the suggestion from someone who isn't a Democrat that makes me chuckle is all.

Richardson doesn't necessarily fall into that category--I'd consider him, no question. It's just the suggestion from someone who isn't a Democrat that makes me chuckle is all.

I dunno.. he's photogenic and well-spoken, and I can respect him, even if I wouldn't vote for him.. He could be a total sleaze, but he's enough of an outsider that he doesn't have the stink of Washington on him.. Governors are better presidential candidates for that reason, I think. But yeah, I wouldn't vote for him.. I just respect his debating style. He's got the same qualities that make Jeb a strong option.

Wesley Clark. Retired 4-star general, former supreme commander of NATO forces, and all-around good, progressive guy.

I dunno.. he's photogenic and well-spoken, and I can respect him, even if I wouldn't vote for him.. He could be a total sleaze, but he's enough of an outsider that he doesn't have the stink of Washington on him.. Governors are better presidential candidates for that reason, I think. But yeah, I wouldn't vote for him.. I just respect his debating style. He's got the same qualities that make Jeb a strong option.
Except without the crackhead for a daughter. Sorry--I'm touchy when it comes to Jeb! I live under his shitheaded policies everyday now.

Except without the crackhead for a daughter. Sorry--I'm touchy when it comes to Jeb! I live under his shitheaded policies everyday now.

Coincidentally, of all the possible democrat candidates I can think of, I'd pick Richardson to take Florida.. Jeb is popular there (around 60%, even now).. but as much as I hate to play identity politics, the hispanic vote does matter, and Richardson has a leg-up there. But the most striking similiarity between the two is their humble exterior on the stump.. neither one is ostentations or brash, maybe to a fault.

I have a feeling Jeb could overcome his kids' failings, either way.. I mean, if everyone who has ever gone on a public xanax binge was considered "immoral," who among us could claim morality? Not I, certainly.

Coincidentally, of all the possible democrat candidates I can think of, I'd pick Richardson to take Florida.. Jeb is popular there (around 60%, even now).. but as much as I hate to play identity politics, the hispanic vote does matter, and Richardson has a leg-up there. But the most striking similiarity between the two is their humble exterior on the stump.. neither one is ostentations or brash, maybe to a fault.

I have a feeling Jeb could overcome his kids' failings, either way.. I mean, if everyone who has ever gone on a public xanax binge was considered "immoral," who among us could claim morality? Not I, certainly.Different kind of hispanic here--most of the latino community here is Cuban, Venezuelan, Dominican, Columbian--pretty much anything but Mexican. Sure, his latino heritage would help him, everywhere but in the Cuban community, but the other thing to realize is that Jeb's wife, Columba, is also hispanic--Cuban I believe--and that, along with the home field advantage, would make him untouchable here, unfortunately.

On the other side, Jeb! would have the disadvantage of being a Bush when for 12 of the last 20 years, we've had a Bush for President--fatigue sets in a bit. Not to mention that his brother is the most unpopular President, well, ever since people started keeping track of popularity, and he's got a lot to overcome.

On the other side, Jeb! would have the disadvantage of being a Bush when for 12 of the last 20 years, we've had a Bush for President--fatigue sets in a bit. Not to mention that his brother is the most unpopular President, well, ever since people started keeping track of popularity, and he's got a lot to overcome.

It's true that W. Bush, today, has hit Clinton-level lows in approval ratings, but I'm assuming he'll recover somewhat by '06, and perhaps a bit more by '08.. but Jeb's television personality is so radically different from the current President Bush's that I think people will give him a break, even if George is still below the 40-mark.. that's a guess, but for someone like myself, who isn't so thrilled at the idea of John McCain or Rudy Giuliani leading the country, it's something to hope for. :)

It's true that W. Bush, today, has hit Clinton-level lows in approval ratings, but I'm assuming he'll recover somewhat by '06, and perhaps a bit more by '08.. but Jeb's television personality is so radically different from the current President Bush's that I think people will give him a break, even if George is still below the 40-mark.. that's a guess, but for someone like myself, who isn't so thrilled at the idea of John McCain or Rudy Giuliani leading the country, it's something to hope for. :)
Clinton-level 1993--as long as we're clear on that.

Dubya will probably recover somewhat--it's hard to imagine ratings this bad for the next 3 years, no matter how much I dislike the guy. Jeb! actually scares me, because he's the smartest of the Bushes, so the capacity for damage is accentuated with him. And I agree with you on McCain--I'd have considered voting for him, seriously, in 2000, but ever since then, he's been this craven, toe-sucking pussy who will do anything, kiss up to anyone in order to have a shot at the nomination. I stopped respecting him after he campaigned for Bush in 2004--after what Bush's people did to him in S. Carolina in 2000, I'd never have spoken to the man again.

Okie, so if Jeb runs, are you seriously going to try to get the son of one ex-President and the brother of another to run as an "outsider"? I mean ... come on ... who's gonna fall for that?

Oh wait ...

Wesley Clark. Retired 4-star general, former supreme commander of NATO forces, and all-around good, progressive guy.

Yeah, I think I'd vote for him as well.

Wesley Clark. Retired 4-star general, former supreme commander of NATO forces, and all-around good, progressive guy.

I'm sorry I missed this in all the hub-bub.

Hooray! An actual participant! Thank you!

I like Clark, myself. Good for the Veterans and a progressive thinker socially. You think there's any chance he'd run in 2008?

No, Clark is done. I think it's going to be former Virginia governor Mark Warner.
A southern Democrat is really the only dem that has a chance to win.


A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money

You had me until you compared him to Dean. Just the mention of his name turns my stomach! Now, I just hope he chokes on a pickle!

Heres a bit of advice. Don't listen to what the Liberal websites and talking heads say. Most people I've met, from the Right and the Left, don't like Dean.

I wonder why that is? Howard Dean is a Democrat with passion, something that's not easy to find. And, because he has passion he's painted as some kind of crazy person. Why is it that people take a single sound bite, taken from a single speech, and out of context, and turn it into a political figure's entire personality?

Howard Dean is shrewd, and he's intelligent. And, most of all, he's honest (that one is bound to draw some idiotic laughs), and he calls for others to be honest as well, lately with emphasis on their positions regarding Iraq (honesty being the "I voted for it, and I was wrong" type). In fact I'd say that most of the people on the left that I know DO like him, and even some on the right.

I'm sorry I missed this in all the hub-bub.

Hooray! An actual participant! Thank you!

I like Clark, myself. Good for the Veterans and a progressive thinker socially. You think there's any chance he'd run in 2008?I think he's been positioning himself for another run ever since Kerry lost, as has John Edwards and Hillary Clinton. I'm not convinced he can make it through the primaries simply because he lacks so much political campaign experience, and he wouldn't be my first choice because of that. Much as I like to bash politicians in general, there's something to be said for knowing how the system works, in order to be able to run it efficiently.

I wish Condeleeza Rice would run. Highly educated, extremely intelligent, been involved in the inner workings of the government, extremely conservative, black female - drive LIEberals nuts fighting that one. Too bad she won't run.
Good grief, Hillary the Marxist is too "conservative" for someone here? good grief, must Lenin come back from the grave for you, or would Stalin be your choice? GAH!

I wish Condeleeza Rice would run. Highly educated, extremely intelligent, been involved in the inner workings of the government, extremely conservative, black female - drive LIEberals nuts fighting that one. Too bad she won't run.
There's a very good reason she won't run--she couldn't get the nomination, and if she did, the Republicans would lose in a landslide. Why? Because they'd lose the south--no way will enough Mississippi and Alabama and Louisiana and Georgia blacks cross party lines to make up for the Dixiecrats who will desert the Republican party to vote for a third party candidate. That's assuming that she'd make it out of the primary campaign alive.
Good grief, Hillary the Marxist is too "conservative" for someone here? good grief, must Lenin come back from the grave for you, or would Stalin be your choice? GAH!
Been listening to your AM radio again, I see. :rolleyes:

I wonder why that is? Howard Dean is a Democrat with passion, something that's not easy to find. And, because he has passion he's painted as some kind of crazy person. Why is it that people take a single sound bite, taken from a single speech, and out of context, and turn it into a political figure's entire personality?

Howard Dean is shrewd, and he's intelligent. And, most of all, he's honest (that one is bound to draw some idiotic laughs), and he calls for others to be honest as well, lately with emphasis on their positions regarding Iraq (honesty being the "I voted for it, and I was wrong" type). In fact I'd say that most of the people on the left that I know DO like him, and even some on the right.

Yeah I don't get it either. I think it's wishful thinking on the part of conservatives who keep trying to say Dean is a nutball and noone likes him. He has a solid track record as being a good leader with good policies for the economy, civil liberties, education, and the environment. I also like the way Dean speaks truth to power. Sure he has said some stupid things, but who hasn't?

Both sides say nasty things about the other side. Everyone I know on the left likes Dean as well, even my Republican boss and a Repulican friend who owns a constructiuon company both think he has done a good job as Governer (as have his constituents as they keep voting for him), and take no offense at being called rich white christians because they are rich white christians. I do wish he had a bit more tact because once he says something like that, people stop paying attention to the real message.

It was highly unfortunate how the media took Dean down because he got excited and screamed. OMG teh noes! He showed passion in public! He must be CRAZY! But thats the liberal media for you.

I'd like to see Dean as president. We need someone who is doing what they feel is best for the country (not their own pocketbook and their corporate buddies) and speaks their mind rather than what they are told to say.

You had me until you compared him to Dean. Just the mention of his name turns my stomach! Now, I just hope he chokes on a pickle!
Yeah! Rodger Moore's pickle! No ... wait ... his isn't big enough to choke anything. Nevermind. :D

WE WANT GORE! or just a Democrat really. You do know America is the worlds Laughing stock since they elected bush FOR A SECOND TERM. 1st term? fair enough we all make mistakes, he stole it anyway and you made him the first prez to not WALK into the whitehouse, you coulda been respected for that. But no. Just No.

I wish Condeleeza Rice would run. Highly educated, extremely intelligent, been involved in the inner workings of the government, extremely conservative, black female - drive LIEberals nuts fighting that one. Too bad she won't run.
Good grief, Hillary the Marxist is too "conservative" for someone here? good grief, must Lenin come back from the grave for you, or would Stalin be your choice? GAH!
I would love to see a Guilliani - Rice ticket.

Or a Powell - Guilliani ticket.

WE WANT GORE! or just a Democrat really. You do know America is the worlds Laughing stock since they elected bush FOR A SECOND TERM. 1st term? fair enough we all make mistakes, he stole it anyway and you made him the first prez to not WALK into the whitehouse, you coulda been respected for that. But no. Just No.
Your history, your logic and your reasoning all suck. :p

Giuliani or McCain on the Republican side. I like moderates. Though Giuliani would have a problem getting the nomination.

On the Democrat side, I can't think of many. None of my home state politicians have the stature to run for President. Although after reading his book (Like No Other Time), Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle sounds pretty good.

As for Powell, he might make a good Veep or a cabinet post - Defense or State.

Meanwhile, take Bill Clinton and Bush Sr. and make them co-chairmen of FEMA.

On the independent side, my absolute favorite is Pulitzer-prize winning humorist Dave Barry.

Your history, your logic and your reasoning all suck. :p

No, you suck! Since you seem to be in the mood for making bullshit personal attacks (you do seem to be one who likes "casting stones"). What has your republican savior actually done for THIS country that you think is so great?

The ENTIRE US is STILL worse off that it was before he took office. And, he and his administration have tried their damndest to put bigger and bigger rifts between its people. Anti-gay amendments, budget draining tax cuts, social security fiascos, treating veterans like garbage, lifting wage laws in disaster zones, and more, all from a president and administration who promised to "bring integrety back to the white house."

So, name it, if you can...

Personally, I would love to see what happens if a completly random person was made president. It would make things interesting.

Personally, I would love to see what happens if a completly random person was made president. It would make things interesting.

Yahoo Serious for president.