NationStates Jolt Archive

Hello everybody, im europa alpha and im a Bolsheivik. (Loses your respect completely) I have always hoped that by the time i finished Uni i would be able to find a Far-Left wing government in power (Britain) and that G. Bush would have Destroyed america's trust in right wing politics... but this raises the issue, are we drifting toward a Socialist government or a Rugged Individualist government. (Excuse me while i spit). Attached is pole!... hopefully

Hello everybody, im europa alpha and im a Bolsheivik. (Loses your respect completely) I have always hoped that by the time i finished Uni i would be able to find a Far-Left wing government in power (Britain) and that G. Bush would have Destroyed america's trust in right wing politics... but this raises the issue, are we drifting toward a Socialist government or a Rugged Individualist government. (Excuse me while i spit). Attached is pole!... hopefully
We are actually drifting both further left and further right, which goes a long way toward explaining why the center cannot hold.

Hello everybody, im europa alpha and im a Bolsheivik.

*cries uncontrollably*

pfft. dont talk to me about it! im here to stir things up and laugh meniacally

You know, you can replace the last two options with libertarian and statist, respectively

Since Thatcher the world has kinda given up on Socialism as such...and now Globalisation has provided some serious issues with the "Third Way" from Blair to Schröder.

And right now, the best way to deal with that is to move to the Right economically, and as a Pragmatist and Econ-Student I can deal with that. It's a matter of managing how that shift is going to look in the end to prevent too unfair a society.

But socially, it largely depends on where you are. Some areas in the US, and in Europe are clearly moving to the left, to more tolerance and understanding. That being said, Bush and his Fundi-Friends are doing what they can to move the US to the right, and they'll probably succeed.

But as a whole I'll say the world goes Right economically, and Left socially.

You're a bolshevik and relied on the british government to turn far-left?

What party you in comrade?

You know, you can replace the last two options with libertarian and statist, respectively

Except it wouldn't make sense.


Which way is politics heading? [It is heading] Socially Left Economically Right
or
Which way is politics heading? [It is heading] Libertarian[ward?]

;)

I would say that the world in general is slowly drifting to the left, though hardly at a noticeable speed. So you're a real-life bolshevik? I thought they were kind of gone.

As long as our goverment gives us freedoms, protects us, and makes life easier, i honestly dont care.......

As long as our goverment gives us freedoms, protects us, and makes life easier, i honestly dont care.......
Well, then you, my friend, are what we in General call fucked.

Being from Germany, I'd say we're drifting to the right with full speed.

I would say that the world in general is slowly drifting to the left, though hardly at a noticeable speed. So you're a real-life bolshevik? I thought they were kind of gone.

*cough*

i would pray to be drifting to the left. however, at least in the USA, r cubed (red,right,republican) religious wackjobs keep pushing more and more to the right.

Some places're going full-tilt right to the point of an overall slide towards fascism. Other places less so. I don't see any slide left, however. Not in the Western Hemisphere, anyway.

*cough*
Hm, did you say something?

I think the pendulum has almost completed a right swing, and we'll start drifting back towards center, then left, then back again. Sadly, at least for the US, history seems to show we only stay in the center for about a year or so.

As long as our goverment gives us freedoms, protects us, and makes life easier, i honestly dont care.......

The fact that people like this are allowed the vote frightens me.

The fact that people like this are allowed the vote frightens me.
You ain't kidding.

Europa Alpha,
You know of course that the real question you're asking is "Are you an optimist or a pessimist?", don't you? Any leftist who's an optimist is going to say leftwards and honestly mean it and any conservative who's an optimist is going to say rightwards and honestly mean that as well. :)

That said, welcome aboard even if you are of the Left. And don't mind me a bit if as a conservative I occasionally bite your head off from time to time either under this name or that of Solarlandus. ^_~

Yes there are still bolsheviks around. 10000 registered in the UK. now all we need are submachine guns deployed to each one of them and about 60000 cases of Vodka and Whisky and we are set for revolution!... ... i see men parked in a black car outside my window.

The fact that people like this are allowed the vote frightens me.

Seconded. At least it's mildly reassuring to see that it worries several of us.

The world isn't drifting right-wards. It's galloping there. Even social-democratic parties, socialist parties and liberal parties are going towards the right-wing, simply because they are told it's the only way to win elections.

Ultimately, the right-wing systems of society and economics, can only drive us to our destruction. I'm not certain of the alternative, but at the moment something different is needed or we all face disaster.

Stalinists make me giggle

Socially, Britain itself is drifting left, though its policy makers are drifting right, much to public (and in fact fellow MP) dismay. Economically? Whatever the heck Brown feels like.

Next election, though, you'll notice what on paper appears to be a big shift Right, when in fact it'll be much the same as what it was beforehand. Labour and Conservative are incredibly similar in their policies, and a move from the former to the latter (which seems likely) isn't a fair estimate of where it fits on the scale.

Predictions are that the Liberals will gain seats, as will the Conservatives. Labour will flop to at least second behind the blues; possibly even Third if the Lib Dems can field strong enough candidates. This scenario will basically be a shift from centre-right to centre-slightly-less-right.

Hello everybody, im europa alpha and im a Bolsheivik. (Loses your respect completely) I have always hoped that by the time i finished Uni i would be able to find a Far-Left wing government in power (Britain) and that G. Bush would have Destroyed america's trust in right wing politics... but this raises the issue, are we drifting toward a Socialist government or a Rugged Individualist government. (Excuse me while i spit). Attached is pole!... hopefully
Hard to say... Bush doesn't exemplify right-wing politics because his party is not individualist.

I think that the world is moving towards more and more corporate influence on government, so I will say right-wing, but uncomfortably so.

The political elite is happy when it can scare people with outdated ideas such as diametrically opposed "left" and "right". The real outlook is much more gloomier. The industrial society with an enormous productional output has made it very easy to be a fat-cat bureaucrat. (That wasn't possible in the olden days - there wasn't enough food to start with.) So, we're drifting both ways in these senses:

Left: Absolute public spending breaks records every year, and the bureaucracy bloats, and the establishment gains power to stamp out innovation it doesn't control, and

Right: Free trade is promoted, but not free people - people are bounder tighter into the corporate bureaucracy. Moralist arguments are used in politics to "fish votes".

It's a left-right killer hybrid.

Hello everybody, im europa alpha and im a Bolsheivik. (Loses your respect completely) I have always hoped that by the time i finished Uni i would be able to find a Far-Left wing government in power (Britain) and that G. Bush would have Destroyed america's trust in right wing politics... but this raises the issue, are we drifting toward a Socialist government or a Rugged Individualist government. (Excuse me while i spit). Attached is pole!... hopefully
well things are undoubtedly moving right-wing at the moment i think, but people are beginning to see that right-wingism is stupid... many people in germany were annoyed with the last government's attempts to free up the market in anti-socialist style, and many labour supporters in britain see labour as no longer 'left enough'... in america, bush is harly liked by a large proportion of the population and he's practically a laughing stock in the rest of the world, so maybe this shift to right-wingism will backlash in that people realise that leftism is the way to go! :)
(i'd hope so at least :cool: )