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Now, keep in mind, I don't refer to that over-produced Simple Plan/New Found Glory/Good Charlotte stuff...cause that isn't emo, and that is likely why people think it sucks.

But what about great emo bands like The Fire Theft, Sunny Day Real Estate, Taking Back Sunday, Motion City Soundtrack, and a few others? Their music is great and powerful, without the over produced teeny bopper crap.

It's too depressing

its irritating that people whine about how bad they have it in first world countries not only that but they also tend to be conformities regarding anyone who is not emo to be a fascist/loser/not human

I have a particular problem with the arrogance in calling your own genre "emotional", as if other genres of music aren't emotional. I also have a problem with people lumping all bands that sound even minutely like those crappy bands you listed into the same genre, ignoring other factors like talent level and lyrical maturity.

edit: Clarification. The "crappy bands" I refer to are the ones you listed first, not second.

It's for kids too pussy to go hardcore goth or metal. :rolleyes:

Emo guys are cute. And that's basically what's not wrong with emo.

Everything else is, including cute emo guys who open their mouths to talk.

Now, keep in mind, I don't refer to that over-produced Simple Plan/New Found Glory/Good Charlotte stuff...cause that isn't emo, and that is likely why people think it sucks.

But what about great emo bands like The Fire Theft, Sunny Day Real Estate, Taking Back Sunday, Motion City Soundtrack, and a few others? Their music is great and powerful, without the over produced teeny bopper crap.

Same problem with Goth, but with less of the whole "I'm soooo dark" schtick. Theres a couple of decent bands, but the majority of it is self indulgent crap. The fans are every bit annoying as goth fans and the whole scene is just a a big old misery party. Add that to the general lack of musical proficiency in modern mainstream rock and you get something thats just annoying. Emo just doesn't have anything that stands out to me. I can't think of a time when I'd be in the mood for Emo that I wouldn't just turn to later period Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan (Blood on the Tracks, Time out of Mind, now THATS emotion), even Sentanced. Emo just never stands out to me.

I have a particular problem with the arrogance in calling your own genre "emotional", as if other genres of music aren't emotional. I also have a problem with people lumping all bands that sound even minutely like those crappy bands you listed into the same genre, ignoring other factors like talent level and lyrical maturity.

edit: Clarification. The "crappy bands" I refer to are the ones you listed first, not second.


Thanks for the clarification.

For the record (and history note)...Emo was originally spawned in the late 80's/early 90's from the Hardcore Scene and was dubbed Emocore, as it dealt with feelings and relationships in a non-pop way, while "regular" hardcore dealt with politics and strictly anger. They went hand in hand, but for some reason, people dropped -core suffix. So while I agree in principle, I don't hold it against the bands.

There is also the image that emo is all depressing. I disagree with that as there are a lot of upbeat emo tunes that deal with happier topics.

Emo, whats wrong with it......probably the fact all emo's have a stupid haircut which makes it impossible to see out of one eye. Oh and its depressing, why are they so depressed? It stricks me as slightly obsessive.

Find one harcore bad-ass emo kid on earth.

You can't.

(lamen's terms- emo kid=pussy)

:rolleyes:

http://emosong.ytmnd.com

Thanks for the clarification.

For the record (and history note)...Emo was originally spawned in the late 80's/early 90's from the Hardcore Scene and was dubbed Emocore, as it dealt with feelings and relationships in a non-pop way, while "regular" hardcore dealt with politics and strictly anger. They went hand in hand, but for some reason, people dropped -core suffix. So while I agree in principle, I don't hold it against the bands.

There is also the image that emo is all depressing. I disagree with that as there are a lot of upbeat emo tunes that deal with happier topics.


The reason they dropped the suffix was because Emo had moven pretty far away from hardcore musically. I don't think you're ever going to put on a Taking Back Sunday album and be able to see it in even remotely the same genre as Carnivore or Biohazard. Then again, today what is dubbed "hardcore" doesn't generally have much to do with what was known as hardcore 10 or 15 years ago.

No, all Emo isn't depressing, but alot of it is. Alot of it is just whining. You've got a 25 year old guy with a flat stomach and a record contract talking about his feelings. No thanks.

BTW, you've made my day Balipo. I'm thinking back on the hardcore scene in the early 90s and I can't stop laughing trying to picture Carnivore and Taking Back Sunday on a bill together...

http://emosong.ytmnd.com

"Stabby, rip, stab, stab. And it doesn't help that I couldn't get my hair to do that flippy thing there. Like that guy from that band can do."

Haha! :D

See...now I see what it is...

You hate emo-mall brats because you choose not to expose yourself to the music...

For the record...I can't be an emo kid, as I'm nearly 30, however, I do like the music, not the crappy types so-called.

Really, I see no difference between the laymens term emo = pussy to country = redneck or metal head = pothead moron who bangs head all day...

Nothing like predjudice in the music world...

The reason they dropped the suffix was because Emo had moven pretty far away from hardcore musically. I don't think you're ever going to put on a Taking Back Sunday album and be able to see it in even remotely the same genre as Carnivore or Biohazard. Then again, today what is dubbed "hardcore" doesn't generally have much to do with what was known as hardcore 10 or 15 years ago.

No, all Emo isn't depressing, but alot of it is. Alot of it is just whining. You've got a 25 year old guy with a flat stomach and a record contract talking about his feelings. No thanks.

BTW, you've made my day Balipo. I'm thinking back on the hardcore scene in the early 90s and I can't stop laughing trying to picture Carnivore and Taking Back Sunday on a bill together...

That's funny...because I was thinking about a show in like, 1994 with Quicksand, The Getup Kids (very Early), Earth Crisis, and Sunny Day Real Estate.

See...now I see what it is...

You hate emo-mall brats because you choose not to expose yourself to the music...

For the record...I can't be an emo kid, as I'm nearly 30, however, I do like the music, not the crappy types so-called.

Really, I see no difference between the laymens term emo = pussy to country = redneck or metal head = pothead moron who bangs head all day...

Nothing like predjudice in the music world...
or rapper=:gundge:

:D

or rapper=:gundge:

:D

Thanks...forgot that one... ;)

Thanks...forgot that one... ;)
Anytime:)

I prefer the later classical pieces (Romantic era) for emotional music but with quality. Emo music? Nah.

The same thing thats wrong with all mainstream music these days - it hurts my ears when I have to listen to it. It's annoying when one band likes the style of another band/style of music and copys it. If I had a band I would at least mix different styles of music so that I didnt sound like everyone else.

I also think it's lame when someone latches on to a certain label (goth, punk, hip hop, emo) and needs to listen to only that type of music and wears only those types of clothes.

See...now I see what it is...

You hate emo-mall brats because you choose not to expose yourself to the music...

For the record...I can't be an emo kid, as I'm nearly 30, however, I do like the music, not the crappy types so-called.

Really, I see no difference between the laymens term emo = pussy to country = redneck or metal head = pothead moron who bangs head all day...

Nothing like predjudice in the music world...


I've heard it, I just don't like it. I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 CDs ranging from Mingus to Manson, from hammer dulcimer to polka-metal, from indy rock to hair bands (ok, maybe those are more similar than anyone is willing to admit), but I don't own a single emo album. I don't think that makes me prejudiced, I just think that it means that I've yet to find an Emo band that I actually enjoy listening to.

That's funny...because I was thinking about a show in like, 1994 with Quicksand, The Getup Kids (very Early), Earth Crisis, and Sunny Day Real Estate.

Still not as funny as imagining Peter Steele walking off stage in a loincloth, reeking of whiskey, after just finishing a show with a rousing tune like S.M.D.(Suck My Dick), turning to the guys in Taking back Sunday and grumbling "Good luck" before passing out in his own vomit...Then again, I always liked acts that put the hard core in hard core.

Emo was originally spawned in the late 80's/early 90's from the Hardcore Scene and was dubbed Emocore, as it dealt with feelings and relationships in a non-pop way, while "regular" hardcore dealt with politics and strictly anger.

Mid-80s, shurely, or have Rites Of Spring been written out of history again?

Thanks for the clarification.

For the record (and history note)...Emo was originally spawned in the late 80's/early 90's from the Hardcore Scene and was dubbed Emocore, as it dealt with feelings and relationships in a non-pop way, while "regular" hardcore dealt with politics and strictly anger. They went hand in hand, but for some reason, people dropped -core suffix. So while I agree in principle, I don't hold it against the bands.

There is also the image that emo is all depressing. I disagree with that as there are a lot of upbeat emo tunes that deal with happier topics.

My ire is mostly directed at the people who classify a band as "emo" based solely on the sound of the singer's voice, with no attention to the actual music being played. Stupid bands like Good Charlotte and those other ones have poisoned the sound for everyone else.

To be honest, I suppose you would labe me emo, but real emo bands, such as Sunny Day Real Estate, and my new favourite band, AlexisonFire, are awesome, its simply tinny, cliched bilge spewed out by Good Charlotte and co that gives the affair a bad name

I prefer the later classical pieces (Romantic era) for emotional music but with quality. Emo music? Nah.
Me too, especially since you can generally play them on one instrument (primarily the piano), and I can only play one at a time. (Also the scores are more readily available. :p)

To be honest, I suppose you would labe me emo, but real emo bands, such as Sunny Day Real Estate, and my new favourite band, AlexisonFire, are awesome, its simply tinny, cliched bilge spewed out by Good Charlotte and co that gives the affair a bad name


Y'know...this is something that really miffs me. Granted, Good Charlote might not be the best example of this, but still, you mentioned it and I'm gonna rant. I can understand disliking a band, but why is it that if a band from a subgenre makes it, suddenly everyone in the subgenre hates them? Its the old "sellout" accusation and it pisses me off. Genrewhores of all stripes need to suck it up and be happy if someone they listen to makes it. Being a musician is a shitty job with shitty hours that doesn't generally pay the bills. Get over your elitist horseshit and be happy that band can actually feed themselves for once. Hell, even if you don't like them, even if you think they're the worst thing to happen to the genre, be happy. That band brings attention to your genre, it brings in more fans, and other bands have a better chance of being heard by someone who doesn't sit in a record shop all day sneering at the proles and jerking off over the lastest unknown jem.

*takes a few deep breaths and turns on some Emperor to calm down*

Ok...I feel better.

Cheer up, emo kids.

I find mainstream emo too depressing. I find all that stuff to depressing which is why I like my happy, upbeat ska, as well as jazz, and punkish type music with alternative twists.

One word: whining.

Honestly, the singers should shut up, they're making a couple million this year. For the kids, shut up and get a real life. Maybe if you actually *GASP!!!* TRIED for once, you could get good friends, do good in school, AND LIVE A HAPPY LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!111111!!!!!shift+1!!!!!!! Would ya look at that!!!

It's also an excuse to act sad and depressed for no reason and gives "misfits" a "culture". As stated, try a little, and you might get real friends.

To me, EMO=Freeloaders on society. Get a job and a real life.

Yeah, emo is an ideology which advocates self-hatred and anti-socialness. Why hate yourself?

depressing music, whiny people, more of a fashion than anything else nowadays, bands-wise: there are fifty in a dozen....

Nothing. Because I don't listen to it. I do enjoy music discussions on these kinds of subjects, though. It seems like the music industry is the only place left where you're allowed to have groundless prejudices and insult whoever doesn't like your particular genre.

Now, keep in mind, I don't refer to that over-produced Simple Plan/New Found Glory/Good Charlotte stuff...cause that isn't emo, and that is likely why people think it sucks.

But what about great emo bands like The Fire Theft, Sunny Day Real Estate, Taking Back Sunday, Motion City Soundtrack, and a few others? Their music is great and powerful, without the over produced teeny bopper crap.

There's nothing wrong with being emo, just don't be a whiny fashionxcore mall kiddie with an Atreyu shirt and a Mathbook Romance patch on your bag.

Personally, Taking Back Sunday and Motion City Soundtrack is the overproduced teeny bopper crap to my ears. But I might just be used to Orchid and Mohinder.

Yeah, emo is an ideology which advocates self-hatred and anti-socialness. Why hate yourself?

Emo is nothing more then a mostly dead offshoot of hardcore, unless playing for 6 months and then breaking up is an ideology.

Do thrice count as emo? I quite like them.

To be honest, I suppose you would labe me emo, but real emo bands, such as Sunny Day Real Estate, and my new favourite band, AlexisonFire, are awesome, its simply tinny, cliched bilge spewed out by Good Charlotte and co that gives the affair a bad name

Check out Saetia if you like Alexisonfire.

Thrice are emo the way Green Day is punk.

Check out Saetia if you like Alexisonfire.

Thrice are emo the way Green Day is punk.
So....not, then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo

Scroll down to the section marked "Backlash"

depressing music, whiny people, more of a fashion than anything else nowadays, bands-wise: there are fifty in a dozen....

Well said! Emo bands all sound very similar, and it's all too americanised for my liking, there are too many great British bands around at the moment for there to be any excuse for emo in the uk :)

a wise sage once said "All the hippie chicks are hypocrites because fashion is smashin' the true meaning of it"

That can be taken in several different ways and not just apply to fashion.

a wise sage once said "All the hippie chicks are hypocrites because fashion is smashin' the true meaning of it"

That can be taken in several different ways and not just apply to fashion.

Why did you quote smash mouth? More over, why did you call them a 'wise sage'. Then again that was their only good song. Ever.

So....not, then.

Only if you're a 13 year old girl.

Only if you're a 13 year old girl.
I like Thrash Metal too.

*puts on Angel of Death and 'goes to work' on SH*

In reading a lot of the reactions here I am thinking that I understand why a lot of bands (including a few I was in) try to avoid being labeled emo or saying they are emo regardless of their style.

In reading a lot of the reactions here I am thinking that I understand why a lot of bands (including a few I was in) try to avoid being labeled emo or saying they are emo regardless of their style.
LOL

Basically...... only emo-kids like emo. I could have told you that years ago

Y'know...this is something that really miffs me. Granted, Good Charlote might not be the best example of this, but still, you mentioned it and I'm gonna rant. I can understand disliking a band, but why is it that if a band from a subgenre makes it, suddenly everyone in the subgenre hates them? Its the old "sellout" accusation and it pisses me off. Genrewhores of all stripes need to suck it up and be happy if someone they listen to makes it. Being a musician is a shitty job with shitty hours that doesn't generally pay the bills. Get over your elitist horseshit and be happy that band can actually feed themselves for once. Hell, even if you don't like them, even if you think they're the worst thing to happen to the genre, be happy. That band brings attention to your genre, it brings in more fans, and other bands have a better chance of being heard by someone who doesn't sit in a record shop all day sneering at the proles and jerking off over the lastest unknown jem.

*takes a few deep breaths and turns on some Emperor to calm down*

Ok...I feel better.
Preach it!

I hate the whole "I measure how good my musical tastes are by how obscure my list of favorite bands is" crap. I swear, sometimes I think there is an unwritten rules that if they ever find anyone else who has heard of said band, they have to strike it off their list with much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And on the subject of emo, a lot of the bands I listen to are classified as "emo", but aren't depressing or whiny. C'mon, how can someone not like Jack's Mannequin and Something Corporate?

I hate the whole "I measure how good my musical tastes are by how obscure my list of favorite bands is" crap. I swear, sometimes I think there is an unwritten rules that if they ever find anyone else who has heard of said band, they have to strike it off their list with much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
It's the complete other way around. If you find someone else which likes a band on your obscure list.... It's the coolest thing ever. You can SHARE! Tell them about other artists...

Instant connection

Preach it!

I hate the whole "I measure how good my musical tastes are by how obscure my list of favorite bands is" crap. I swear, sometimes I think there is an unwritten rules that if they ever find anyone else who has heard of said band, they have to strike it off their list with much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And on the subject of emo, a lot of the bands I listen to are classified as "emo", but aren't depressing or whiny. C'mon, how can someone not like Jack's Mannequin and Something Corporate?


I can understand how theres something special about being the only person in the know about a given band, but its not that big of a deal. At least, not if you like the music. (If its just some kind of fashion thing, a badge of honor, then I hope ya get cancer, kids.) Seriously, I remember when I first saw a band like Cradle of Filth on TRL and it was great. I thought "awesome, black metal is crossing over." I'll never understand why so many people turned on them. Ack! It enrages me.

I can understand how theres something special about being the only person in the know about a given band, but its not that big of a deal. At least, not if you like the music. (If its just some kind of fashion thing, a badge of honor, then I hope ya get cancer, kids.) Seriously, I remember when I first saw a band like Cradle of Filth on TRL and it was great. I thought "awesome, black metal is crossing over." I'll never understand why so many people turned on them. Ack! It enrages me.

I think this brings up a different issue. I know that in my listening to music, the only time I'll turn on a band if they go superstar, is if in doing so (or in order to do so) they change their sound.

My example isn't great, but where I'm from very visible. The Goo Goo Dolls, believe it or not, used to be a great punk band. More pop-punk really, but you get what I mean. Their original name was The Sex Maggots, until they couldn't get a show. Then they start playing cheesy crap like "Name" and "Slide" and "Black Balloon" with the lyrical content of a horse fart.

That I will turn on. When a band makes it big, great for them, as long as they keep making music that is good. I understand that sounds can evolve for a band over time, and therefore they might change. But when a band changes 180 degrees in the course of one album...that just burns me.

I like Thrash Metal too.

*puts on Angel of Death and 'goes to work' on SH*

*plays Death of A Modernist (by Orchid) and uses it's far more aggressive sound to turn ToL into some variety of chopped and smoked meat product*

I can tell you the basis for every emo song right here.

Oooh my girlfriend left me because i was too sensitive so now im going to cut myself and write a song.

That'll be $16.50:D

(Yeah, I'm an ass, but i couldn't help it)

I can tell you the basis for every emo song right here.

Oooh my girlfriend left me because i was too sensitive so now im going to cut myself and write a song.

That'll be $16.50:D

(Yeah, I'm an ass, but i couldn't help it)

If only you had a clue, but your ignorance is amusing.

If only you had a clue, but your ignorance is amusing.
Yeah, i heard it quoted somewhere and couldn't help but spew it out.

As long as it's amusing though.....;)

Oooh my girlfriend left me because i was too sensitive so now im going to cut myself and write a song.

Well, since my baby left me,
I found a new place to dwell.
It’s down at the end of Lonely Street
At Heartbreak Hotel.

You make me so lonely baby,
I get so lonely,
I get so lonely I could die.

Well, since my baby left me,
I found a new place to dwell.
It’s down at the end of Lonely Street
At Heartbreak Hotel.

You make me so lonely baby,
I get so lonely,
I get so lonely I could die.
:D

*plays Death of A Modernist (by Orchid) and uses it's far more aggressive sound to turn ToL into some variety of chopped and smoked meat product*

Havent heard the Orchid song, but Angel of Death = p00n.
Seriously.
Could turn a hamburger back into a quite pissed bull.

Edit: Is anyone else a tad bit worried about Angel of Death being discussed on a thread called "what exactly is wrong with emo?"

Y'know...this is something that really miffs me. Granted, Good Charlote might not be the best example of this, but still, you mentioned it and I'm gonna rant. I can understand disliking a band, but why is it that if a band from a subgenre makes it, suddenly everyone in the subgenre hates them? Its the old "sellout" accusation and it pisses me off. Genrewhores of all stripes need to suck it up and be happy if someone they listen to makes it. Being a musician is a shitty job with shitty hours that doesn't generally pay the bills. Get over your elitist horseshit and be happy that band can actually feed themselves for once. Hell, even if you don't like them, even if you think they're the worst thing to happen to the genre, be happy. That band brings attention to your genre, it brings in more fans, and other bands have a better chance of being heard by someone who doesn't sit in a record shop all day sneering at the proles and jerking off over the lastest unknown jem.

*takes a few deep breaths and turns on some Emperor to calm down*

Ok...I feel better.


Without elitism in music (and music fans, why not), genre music becomes homogenised crap. The main reason I, personally, start to dislike the music some bands put out once they've "made it" is because they start producing homogenised crap for the mass market mall kiddy demographic. One usually leads to the other. They start producing crap (comparitive to the genre they came from), so they become popular, or they become popular, and then start producing crap so that they can really cash in on it.

This doesn't happen to all bands, of course. If a band becomes very successful, but remains true to the style of music that made their fans love their music in the first place, I'm not going to suddenly start bagging them just because they achieved some success. Good for them, I say. From obscurity to popularity while still producing good music? A rare, rare breed and I would applaud them for it. The problem is that most bands that start off with a core fanbase of music fans that primarily like a particular genre, become popular, then seem to forget where they came from and start producing poppy, boring crud. Case in point, In Flames. They become well-known and quite popular, so they suddenly start producing whiney, teen angst, MTV-grade nu-metal? Why, oh why would they do such a thing? Just because I liked the music they used to make, doesn't mean I'm going to pretend to enjoy the crap they're peddling now.

I suppose some people would start to dislike music solely on the basis of the band becoming popular, but I honestly don't think that's the case for most. The fact is, so many times when a band starts to become popular, they also start to produce bad music, for whatever reason. Some can stave it off for a while, but eventually succumb and some never "sell out", despite making heaps of money from their music. But most seem to develop that "rock star" act and start making crap.

But yeah, I enjoyed your rant! I love a good rant.

Errr.. and as for emo... Well, it's not my scene. The musical style and lyrical content just don't really mesh well with me, but that's cool. Different strokes, I guess.

I think this brings up a different issue. I know that in my listening to music, the only time I'll turn on a band if they go superstar, is if in doing so (or in order to do so) they change their sound.

My example isn't great, but where I'm from very visible. The Goo Goo Dolls, believe it or not, used to be a great punk band. More pop-punk really, but you get what I mean. Their original name was The Sex Maggots, until they couldn't get a show. Then they start playing cheesy crap like "Name" and "Slide" and "Black Balloon" with the lyrical content of a horse fart.

That I will turn on. When a band makes it big, great for them, as long as they keep making music that is good. I understand that sounds can evolve for a band over time, and therefore they might change. But when a band changes 180 degrees in the course of one album...that just burns me.

Like Bob Dylan did when he scooped up Howlin' Wolf's rhythm section went electric? Or when The Beatles went psychadelic? Or when Earth stopped playing blues and changed their name to Black Sabbath? Musicians change, tastes change. If music changes and its still good, who cares? Now, yeah, what the Goo Goo Dolls ended up being was pretty terrible, but a major shift in sound isn't always a bad thing.

Well, since my baby left me,
I found a new place to dwell.
It’s down at the end of Lonely Street
At Heartbreak Hotel.

You make me so lonely baby,
I get so lonely,
I get so lonely I could die.

Theres a difference. Even though Elvis was a whiner, a redneck, and a thief, he was still cool. Not as cool as the rest of the guys on the scene at the same time (*cough*cashandorbison *coughcough*), but still cool.

The problem is that most bands that start off with a core fanbase of music fans that primarily like a particular genre, become popular, then seem to forget where they came from and start producing poppy, boring crud. Case in point, In Flames. They become well-known and quite popular, so they suddenly start producing whiney, teen angst, MTV-grade nu-metal? Why, oh why would they do such a thing? Just because I liked the music they used to make, doesn't mean I'm going to pretend to enjoy the crap they're peddling now.

Sigh...Y'know, In Flames is a good example of a band that never was much good but made it to the top because they were marketable. There isn't much of a difference between the albums "Whoracle" and "Reroute to Remain" except production value. The music is basically the same. I've always disliked In Flames because they always sounded to me (the whole Gothenburg sound, really) like pop-metal. It was a homogenized, crisp, untreatening, easily accessable alternative to some of the more extreme metal subgenres that they were referencing. I look at In Flames the same way I look at Greenday. They might have been the first of the big label polish jobs, but they're still polish jobs. People who first got into metal because of In Flames are going to be sentimental about the albums they first heard, but saying that the band's music has changed is kind of disingenuous. It reminds me of people trying to pinpoint exactly when it was that Metallica sold out, and it always seems to be the album that came out after the first album they heard ;)

It reminds me of people trying to pinpoint exactly when it was that Metallica sold out, and it always seems to be the album that came out after the first album they heard ;)

The black album was the album was what got me interested in metal in the first place. And guess when Metallica started to suck IMHO... couldn´t have been Load, right? Almost scary...

Also, it seems like quite a lot of non-metalheads like Metallica. Weird.

*plays Death of A Modernist (by Orchid) and uses it's far more aggressive sound to turn ToL into some variety of chopped and smoked meat product*
Ooh, you sly motherfucker...

*slaps on some cannibal corpse, whaps out teh monstroo penis, proceeds to beat SH to death with it*

EDIT: 'tallica sold out when Hetfield started taking singing lessons i.e. For the Black Album. Not that it wasn't an alright album, but that was definitely their sellout point.

The black album was the album was what got me interested in metal in the first place. And guess when Metallica started to suck IMHO... couldn´t have been Load, right? Almost scary...

Also, it seems like quite a lot of non-metalheads like Metallica. Weird.

The Black Album was a great album, well written, well produced, I know some sound recording schools that use it to teach how to record drums. Now, I have a different opinion of Load and Reload. They didn;t suck. They were good albums, solid albums. They just weren't Metallica albums. They were...something else. I can understand why it happened, you can only play thrash for so long before you get bored, before you need to play something else, anything else.

Metallica has alot of crossover because they're, well, they're palatable. Metallica has something for a wide range of people, especially since they stepped out of straight thrash metal (I'm thinking the release of the song "One" as a single was the point when they started to cross). Still, as more people listened, more of the core audiance went away, more and more of the people who had been listening since Kill 'Em All started calling them sellouts. I can't help but think it was because their little scene got interrupted. I've seen it quite a few times, the cold shoulder and hostility new fans see when they show up to see a band in a closed genre. It pisses me off, mainly because I remember when alot of the people who are being assholes now were new.

The black album was the album was what got me interested in metal in the first place. And guess when Metallica started to suck IMHO... couldn´t have been Load, right? Almost scary...

Also, it seems like quite a lot of non-metalheads like Metallica. Weird.

"The Black album"?

Like Spinal Tap?

When is emo not emo?
When it rocks
Emo is just rejected suicide squad music. If you dont like it call it emo.

"The Black album"?

Like Spinal Tap?


Ten points and a cigar to you! Not alot of people catch the joke, Metallica included (who insist on calling The Black Album "Metallica").

What's wrong with emo? Well, besides the sucky music, the main proponents of emo are damned annoying.
Ever notice that the people whining the most about their lives live in middle to upper class homes?
I've got almost nothing (have about $300 in the bank), and I don't go around complaining! Well, not usually...