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The two most important issues internally in modern America are practically ignored! Why? Gay rights, abortion, etc. are minor compared to eminent domain (Kelo vs. New London) and States rights (cause of civil war) which is a serious balance of power issue. As for the title I like America on the whole and stupidity is an accusation I make against all people.

The two most important issues internally in modern America are practically ignored! Why? Gay rights, abortion, etc. are minor compared to eminent domain (Kelo vs. New London) and States rights (cause of civil war) which is a serious balance of power issue. As for the title I like America on the whole and stupidity is an accusation I make against all people.

Those two issues are minor compared to States rights as well as eminint domain. I do not want the government to take my property away from me because some company wants to run up an office complex and the states should have the power to run their affairs in accordance with the US Constituiton.

The government has power that it was never ment to have. Powers not delegated to the Federal Government are reserved for the States. It is high time we get back to that.

I hope you are a registered voter in America. Very few people even know what I am talking about when I bring it up. It gives me doubts about the future.

States rights are more important than peoples rights?

I hope you are a registered voter in America. Very few people even know what I am talking about when I bring it up. It gives me doubts about the future.

Of course I'm a registered voter. I also look into the records of my representatives to see if they deserve another term.

As for the title I like America on the whole and stupidity is an accusation I make against all people.
It's called flamebaiting, and isn't favourably viewed here...regardless of the nationality supposedly targetted.

States rights are more important than peoples rights?

If the states can't exercise their authority as prescribed by the Constitution of the United States, then people's rights are relatively irrelevent.

As a member of the LP, I can tell you that these two issues (especially eminent domain) are practically all we've been talking about this year.
Not everyone is ignorant of their importance, just the Republicrats who love to see government grow, whatever the consequences to liberty.

As a member of the LP, I can tell you that these two issues (especially eminent domain) are practically all we've been talking about this year.
Not everyone is ignorant of their importance, just the Republicrats who love to see government grow, whatever the consequences to liberty.

pardon?

pardon?
Corny, it's hard to answer that question. I don't know what you're asking. :confused:

Corny, it's hard to answer that question. I don't know what you're asking. :confused:

I'm trying to figure out what your saying and I'm having a hard time do to your vindictiveness. Care to type it out in a calmer fashion and without the rhetoric of what your trying to state?

I apologize for flamebaiting but I thought it was an appropriate title for this issue.

The two most important issues internally in modern America are practically ignored! Why? Gay rights, abortion, etc. are minor compared to eminent domain (Kelo vs. New London) and States rights (cause of civil war) which is a serious balance of power issue. As for the title I like America on the whole and stupidity is an accusation I make against all people.


My dear fellow, everyone on the planet is stupid in some way. For example: Could Kristi Yamaguchi the figure skater, fix one of those motor-carriages?

Yes I know but these are the most politically important issues in America today as far as I can tell. The ability for the government to take your property and balance of power are certainly important issues. As for peoples rights are more important: eminent domain is about one of the most fundamental rights in a democracy, protection of property. Locke even says the role of government is protection of property not the other way around(Second Treatsie) States rights is a issue in regards to balance of power so it does not become too concentrated, a protection against tyrrany.

Yes I know but these are the most politically important issues in America today as far as I can tell. The ability for the government to take your property and balance of power are certainly important issues. As for peoples rights are more important: eminent domain is about one of the most fundamental rights in a democracy, protection of property. Locke even says the role of government is protection of property not the other way around(Second Treatsie) States rights is a issue in regards to balance of power so it does not become too concentrated, a protection against tyrrany.

You are indeed correct. However, if State power gets eroded by the Federal Government, then people's rights could be eroded by the federal government as well.

That is why I consider State Rights to be of the utmost importance.

I'm trying to figure out what your saying and I'm having a hard time do to your vindictiveness. Care to type it out in a calmer fashion and without the rhetoric of what your trying to state?
Oh come on. What fun is political debate without a little bite? Shit, you'd be mute if you followed that line of reasoning. Don't go soft on us now, man.

My point was that the major political parties are pretty much ignoring eminent domain in favor of arguing about Iraq and Jesus. I haven't heard much from the current administration on the issue (widely broadcast). And we all know that the Democrats aren't exactly against it. That was my criticism.

Personally, I'd love to see the Republicans return to their limited government roots, but I don't see it happening at the moment while they're distracted by bipartisan bickering over relatively less important issues.
If you're a Republicrat (I'm assuming of the Republican persuasion), do you think your party is doing all it can to change this disaster?

Oh come on. What fun is political debate without a little bite? Shit, you'd be mute if you followed that line of reasoning. Don't go soft on us now, man.

My point was that the major political parties are pretty much ignoring eminent domain in favor of arguing about Iraq and Jesus. I haven't heard much from the current administration on the issue (widely broadcast). And we all know that the Democrats aren't exactly against it, as we know too well. That was my criticism.

Personally, I'd love to see the Republicans return to their limited government roots, but I don't see it happening at the moment while they're distracted by bipartisan bickering over relatively less important issues.
If you're a Republicrat (I'm assuming of the Republican persuasion), do you think your party is doing all it can to change this disaster?

Ahh I understand what your saying now :)

Yes you are indeed correct in what you say. However, Congress right now is trying to rectify the decision of the Supreme Court. They have already condemned the decision and legislation is already on the table to protect private property.

As to the Republican Party, not on some issues they aren't but on Emenent domain they are with the democrats help. Of course, I haven't seen much from the dems to fix the damage either. :(

Ahh I understand what your saying now :)

Yes you are indeed correct in what you say. However, Congress right now is trying to rectify the decision of the Supreme Court. They have already condemned the decision and legislation is already on the table to protect private property.

As to the Republican Party, not on some issues they aren't but on Emenent domain they are with the democrats help. Of course, I haven't seen much from the dems to fix the damage either. :(
I really hope that Congress is able to change the decision in the Supreme Court.
I wouldn't hold your breath though waiting for the Dems to take an anticollectivist position on the matter. In fact, most liberals I've spoken to seem happy with the idea of sacrificing property rights for the greater good... Even if the greater good would realistically amount to seizing private property to build a shopping mall. :(

I really hope that Congress is able to change the decision in the Supreme Court.
I wouldn't hold your breath though waiting for the Dems to take an anticollectivist position on the matter. In fact, most liberals I've spoken to seem happy with the idea of sacrificing property rights for the greater good... Even if the greater good would realistically amount to seizing private property to build a shopping mall. :(

Unfortunately, your right :(

Those in government who call for less taxes have, in their usual devious way, used eminent domain to widen tax bases for cities while getting rid of property that doesn't generate enough revenue taxes or property taxes. Despicable. :headbang:

Yes I know but these are the most politically important issues in America today as far as I can tell. The ability for the government to take your property and balance of power are certainly important issues. As for peoples rights are more important: eminent domain is about one of the most fundamental rights in a democracy, protection of property. Locke even says the role of government is protection of property not the other way around(Second Treatsie) States rights is a issue in regards to balance of power so it does not become too concentrated, a protection against tyrrany.
It's easier to demagogue an issue like abortion. The real issue on abortion is whether it is an issue that the federal government or the state governments should decide. But that's too complex for politicians because it doesn't fit into a sound-bite.

It's like 'spending cuts'. Even if they are just reductions in spending increases, it is a 'cut'.

Now imagine a pol trying to formulate a statement on eminent domain that can be carried on the six o'clock news and that most people will remember long enough to form their own opinion.

I wonder if the majority of voters even own their own homes these days? What a wonderful opportunity that would present for class warfare on land owners.

The government has power that it was never ment to have. Powers not delegated to the Federal Government are reserved for the States. It is high time we get back to that.
Those powers have already been delegated to the Federal Government.

Those in government who call for less taxes have, in their usual devious way, used eminent domain to widen tax bases for cities while getting rid of property that doesn't generate enough revenue taxes or property taxes. Despicable. :headbang:
Nah, what happens around here, is that the millage rate is reduced, thus the promise to cut taxes is kept. But on the next cycle of property tax assessments, the values are hiked out of all proportion, thus making choices in how to handle reduced revenues unnecessary.

Nah, what happens around here, is that the millage rate is reduced, thus the promise to cut taxes is kept. But on the next cycle of property tax assessments, the values are hiked out of all proportion, thus making choices in how to handle reduced revenues unnecessary.

Good point. And all these taxes are the burden of the citizens. If only we in the US had taken Jefferson's way instead of Hamilton's we would not be in many of the financial messes we are now in.
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Myrmidonisia, is your sig a slur against the Dems, or a rally cry for them? I can't tell.

Myrmidonisia, is your sig a slur against the Dems, or a rally cry for them? I can't tell.
I guess it's time to change it. There was a story a few weeks back about the Dems trying to find a new slogan. The result was "America can do better". I tried some variations on it and after repeating "Democrats, America can do better" a few times, I liked the sound of it. Maybe I need to put the emphasis on a different word to make the thing sound more anti-Democrat. Of course, the same thing would work for(against) the Republican party, but they didn't adopt the slogan.

I guess it's time to change it. There was a story a few weeks back about the Dems trying to find a new slogan. The result was "America can do better". I tried some variations on it and after repeating "Democrats, America can do better" a few times, I liked the sound of it. Maybe I need to put the emphasis on a different word to make the thing sound more anti-Democrat. Of course, the same thing would work for(against) the Republican party, but they didn't adopt the slogan.
In that case, it's hillarious. Glad to know it was intentional.:D

Of course I'm a registered voter. I also look into the records of my representatives to see if they deserve another term.
That doesn't mean much however... your vote just like my vote counts for very little if anything at all. Even less than nothing when voting for the president.
E(u)= P(B)-cost expected utitity of voting equals the probabilty x's benefit of voting - the cost of voting.

In that case, it's hillarious. Glad to know it was intentional.:D
I'm open to suggestions on how to make it more clear that I'm ragging on Democrats without abandoning their message.

The two most important issues internally in modern America are practically ignored! Why? Gay rights, abortion, etc. are minor compared to eminent domain (Kelo vs. New London) and States rights (cause of civil war) which is a serious balance of power issue. As for the title I like America on the whole and stupidity is an accusation I make against all people.
Just for Kelo alone I would stage an overthrow of the SCOTUS.

Just to clarify what I said earlier tyrrany is when the government violates peoples rights, so yes I agree with the stance that ultimitely it is peoples rights that we aim to protect.