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Religious societies make sex taboo, make it dirty and bad. Secular societies exploit sex, which makes sex taboo, dirty, bad and ubiquitous. Pretty much all over the world you have people who would be better for some regular sex. Sexual health is a major, and inadequately addressed issue. Sexual freedom is still a dream for most people. And I seriously think we are able to maintain this constant level of hatred and violence only because we don't drain it off enough with some healthy copulation.

Thoughts? I'm entirely serious.

How much does it cause? ALOT *bangs fist into desk*

I say the sooner we are allowed to practice a core instinct without shame the better we will be.

Sex is a strongly emotional and intimate act...it should be revered!

I feel very strongly about this...I'm still waiting for the next Sexual Revolution.

You know what confuses me the most about religion and sex? Most major religious traditions pretty much ensure that sex is going to be terrible. Women aren’t supposed to enjoy it, aren’t supposed to want it, or be active in it…and men are down with this? I mean…any idiot should be able to figure out that if you please your partner, your partner will please you. So if you make sure that women hate sex…you’re not going to be getting decent sex unless you turn to your OWN sex…which is something that is generally a no-no too…sheesh! What are these people thinking? No wonder they’re miserable!

I think it really depends on what you mean by "sexual freedom"

I know I am much less cranky and no longer a drug addict now that I have sex readily available and I think many people would chill out if they were getting laid.

I also think though, that indiscriminate sex, and irresponsible relationships are adding to the amount of "crap wrong with the world"

FINALLY!

Someone who thinks just like me.

There wouldn't be much of a market for Suicide Bombers if we could get the Muslim men (and the women laid)!

We need an Army of Hookers, with a brigade of Skanks, a Division of Bitches, and all of them headed up by Miss Ballbreaker Dominatrix Extraordinaire (Ann Coulter, cus you just KNOW that she is a sex freak behind that "I hate Liberals" exterior)!!!

How much does it cause? ALOT *bangs fist into desk*

I say the sooner we are allowed to practice a core instinct without shame the better we will be.

Sex is a strongly emotional and intimate act...it should be revered!

I feel very strongly about this...I'm still waiting for the next Sexual Revolution.
Well the first one was tied to drug use, which allowed people to get away with shit 'oh, yeah, I can do this because my inhibitions are lowered, and I'm blasted, so I'm not really responsible for it'. I'd like to see a sexual revolution in which people take ownership of their sexuality, forget about worrying about enjoying it too much, and do it without the need for drugs or alcohol. I'd like to see some HONEST sex...not "sex is going to suck with my spouse because I can't really open up about my fantasies, so instead, I'm going to cheat and get what I crave outside of the relationship". And let's hurry up and get over worrying who has sex with who. It's all fucking fantastic, boys on boys, boys on girls, girls on boys, girls on girls, groups on groups, etc. Let's stop making sex the taboo issue, driving it underground and turning it into something abusive instead of something loving.

http://www.scifilm.org/tv/tvgraphics/reddwarf-holoship.jpg

Anyone who gets the reference has another obstacle in the way of sex.

I think it really depends on what you mean by "sexual freedom"

I know I am much less cranky and no longer a drug addict now that I have sex readily available and I think many people would chill out if they were getting laid.

I also think though, that indiscriminate sex, and irresponsible relationships are adding to the amount of "crap wrong with the world"
Yup, but that's not really freedom. Casual sex does not equal sexual freedom necessarily.

I mean, having more positive attitudes towards sex. Personally and societally. Being okay with exploring your own sexuality, and okay with other people exploring there's. If you are into monogamy, then hopefully you'll be into trying to make sex as wonderful as possible with the person you've chosen. But instead, too many people think monogamy is about misery, and live out that self-fullfilling prophecy. The same goes with idiots who figure that screwing anything that walks somehow makes them liberated...running from partner to partner doesn't really give you the time to figure out what you want out of a sexual relationship. If you already know what you want, and have a lot of casual sex...fine...but I'm betting most of your partners aren't in that same headspace.

Well the first one was tied to drug use, which allowed people to get away with shit 'oh, yeah, I can do this because my inhibitions are lowered, and I'm blasted, so I'm not really responsible for it'. I'd like to see a sexual revolution in which people take ownership of their sexuality, forget about worrying about enjoying it too much, and do it without the need for drugs or alcohol. I'd like to see some HONEST sex...not "sex is going to suck with my spouse because I can't really open up about my fantasies, so instead, I'm going to cheat and get what I crave outside of the relationship". And let's hurry up and get over worrying who has sex with who. It's all fucking fantastic, boys on boys, boys on girls, girls on boys, girls on girls, groups on groups, etc. Let's stop making sex the taboo issue, driving it underground and turning it into something abusive instead of something loving.

Ever consider being a sexologist?

In ancient times the act of love-making was made holy and sacred. There was nothing to be ashamed about, you were only doing what was natural and pleasurable. And the fact that it created a life is all the better.

Where did we go wrong over the past couple of millenia?!

Ever consider being a sexologist? I'm too busy having it, thinking about having it, and planning to have it to bother studying it:)

I'm too busy having it, thinking about having it, and planning to have it to bother studying it:)

Oh come on now. What could be better than getting PAID to learn everything there is to know about sex? Think about all the techniques you'll have learned! :D

Yup, but that's not really freedom. Casual sex does not equal sexual freedom necessarily.

I mean, having more positive attitudes towards sex. Personally and societally. Being okay with exploring your own sexuality, and okay with other people exploring there's. If you are into monogamy, then hopefully you'll be into trying to make sex as wonderful as possible with the person you've chosen. But instead, too many people think monogamy is about misery, and live out that self-fullfilling prophecy. The same goes with idiots who figure that screwing anything that walks somehow makes them liberated...running from partner to partner doesn't really give you the time to figure out what you want out of a sexual relationship. If you already know what you want, and have a lot of casual sex...fine...but I'm betting most of your partners aren't in that same headspace.
your idea of sexual freedom is very similar to mine.

I have met many who think sexual freedom means "jump on anything that moves" and I didn't want to agree with you before I found out what side of the fence you were on;)

btw monogamy is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! No new stuff to learn, only new stuff to try :D

Oh come on now. What could be better than getting PAID to learn everything there is to know about sex? Think about all the techniques you'll have learned! :D
What a way to ruin it for a person! No thanks!

your idea of sexual freedom is very similar to mine. I know. We have a lot in common, scarily enough:)

I have met many who think sexual freedom means "jump on anything that moves" and I didn't want to agree with you before I found out what side of the fence you were on;)

btw monogamy is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! No new stuff to learn, only new stuff to try :D
Hehehehe...well, I've been monogamous for almost nine years, and it's been great, but we're willing to try something a bit different for a while. As long as people do EITHER with a clear mind, and a clear understanding of what they are getting into, it's good.

your idea of sexual freedom is very similar to mine.

I have met many who think sexual freedom means "jump on anything that moves" and I didn't want to agree with you before I found out what side of the fence you were on;)

btw monogamy is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! No new stuff to learn, only new stuff to try :D

Right, sexual freedom means the ability to explore without worry...

And by the way...This thread radiates alot of good karma... ^_^

Right, sexual freedom means the ability to explore without worry...

And by the way...This thread radiates alot of good karma... ^_^
It's that sexual healing coming through...*starts grooving and singing*

No seriously though...it's nearly impossible to maintain a high level of stress or anger when you are sexually satisfied. And I'd say the main cause of marital breakdown is sexual frustration. Now extrapolate that to society as a whole, and it begins to become a more serious issue.

I know. We have a lot in common, scarily enough:)
believe me it's terifying:eek: :p

It's hard to be open about your sexual attitudes though. People do a lot of judging based on what you say about sex. Not just in terms of orientaion...that's a fairly obvious one that most of us are prepared for (reaction wise), but just in general attitudes. For example, I have told a couple of my close friends about my change in relationship with my husband (opening it up), but I know I can't tell other friends because they'd be totally weirded out, and try to talk me out of it 'for my own good':rolleyes: I really don't want a 'sexual intervention'. But it pisses me off that I have to hide this, when I am used to being utterly open about everything. I don't like secrets:(

believe me it's terifying:eek: :p
Na, I just see you as my alternate ego...the person I'd be if I was in any way religious. Not much different, just a variation in the lens we view the world with. Overall the picture is the same.

What a way to ruin it for a person! No thanks!

Whoops...sorry. I get very excitable sometimes! :p

No seriously though...it's nearly impossible to maintain a high level of stress or anger when you are sexually satisfied. And I'd say the main cause of marital breakdown is sexual frustration. Now extrapolate that to society as a whole, and it begins to become a more serious issue.

That's why I think it's important to teach kids (at the right age mind you) about their bodies and sexuality, before they learn from less...desirable sources. Unfortunately, not a whole lot of parents are comfortable talking with their kids, and I know from experience that not a whole lot of kids are comfortable coming forward with questions. That's how we get Sex Ed, which sometimes doesn't paint the whole picture.

And if the Puritans have their way...that'll get scrapped too. And then we'll just have a whole bunch of repressed, angsty teenagers on our hands who's id is tellin' them one thing and their ego is telling them another.

Not only is sex good for the mind, it would help lower the obesity rate if we all did it more often! :P

Not only is sex good for the mind, it would help lower the obesity rate if we all did it more often! :P
Kehehehee...regular physical exercise, and the knowledge that you're actually going to get to do something at night other than watch HBO...it might create a whole new incentive for fitness!

So what next? Sex fitness shows...?

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but that's just freaky.

That's why I think it's important to teach kids (at the right age mind you) about their bodies and sexuality, before they learn from less...desirable sources. Unfortunately, not a whole lot of parents are comfortable talking with their kids, and I know from experience that not a whole lot of kids are comfortable coming forward with questions. That's how we get Sex Ed, which sometimes doesn't paint the whole picture.
I decided when I was pregnant with my first child that if they were old enough to ask the question, then they were old enough to know the answer.

I find myself regreting that decision sometimes when my 4 year old and I are having "body talks" (that's what she calls them) and then I hang out with some of the teens in the neighborhood (I am kinda the resident "cool adult") and am satisfied that my child will not be likewise misinformed.

At 4 she is more comfortable with herself than many of the 15 year old girls that ask me questions (at least she knows all the correct words, and isn't afraid to ask questions)

So what next? Sex fitness shows...?

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but that's just freaky.

Well, I mean you've already got animated sex, orgy sex, fetish sex, and sex sex on Cable TV... why not add sex fitness? It could be like "Fitness Made Simple", but it would be called "Fitness Made Fun".

So what next? Sex fitness shows...?

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but that's just freaky.
yeah, that's another way to ruin it.

We need a healthy balance of 'the forbidden' to keep it interesting, but no so much as it actually interferes with getting laid.

Well, I mean you've already got animated sex, orgy sex, fetish sex, and sex sex on Cable TV... why not add sex fitness? It could be like "Fitness Made Simple", but it would be called "Fitness Made Fun".

That sir, deserves a Bolol Nuclear Cookie.

yeah, that's another way to ruin it.

We need a healthy balance of 'the forbidden' to keep it interesting, but no so much as it actually interferes with getting laid.


Then again, tips on how to prevent premature ejaculation, sensitive spots to suck on, etc etc might be good...

Then again, tips on how to prevent premature ejaculation, sensitive spots to suck on, etc etc might be good...

I know for a fact that there's a show on Oxygen that addresses sexual questions. Personally I don't watch it, but you may be interested.

That sir, deserves a Bolol Nuclear Cookie.

AWESOME!!!

T3h S3XXzorz!!!

I know for a fact that there's a show on Oxygen that addresses sexual questions. Personally I don't watch it, but you may be interested.
There isn't much I need to know right now other than "how do I find a guy who is willing to be my boy toy, who is fine with the arrangement, and who is also fun to be with?"

Oxygen is not going to answer that one for me:(

It seems that people have better things to do on a Saturday night that post on General:(
Time for a MSN 'pub crawl'...see you all later!

There isn't much I need to know right now other than "how do I find a guy who is willing to be my boy toy, who is fine with the arrangement, and who is also fun to be with?"

Oxygen is not going to answer that one for me:(

Just throwing it out there for consideration.

It seems that people have better things to do on a Saturday night that post on General:(
Time for a MSN 'pub crawl'...see you all later!

Adios!

Just throwing it out there for consideration.
:fluffle: I know. Thanks!

Ah yes! make love, not war. Straight from the hippie handbook. Look where it got them.

Some reading for those of you interested in non-monogamous relationships:

Models of Open Relationships (http://www.cat-and-dragon.com/stef/Poly/Labriola/open.html)

You know what confuses me the most about religion and sex? Most major religious traditions pretty much ensure that sex is going to be terrible. Women aren’t supposed to enjoy it, aren’t supposed to want it, or be active in it…and men are down with this? I mean…any idiot should be able to figure out that if you please your partner, your partner will please you. So if you make sure that women hate sex…you’re not going to be getting decent sex unless you turn to your OWN sex…which is something that is generally a no-no too…sheesh! What are these people thinking? No wonder they’re miserable!There's a huge difference between what religious institutions puportedly uphold and what happens behind closed doors among loving partners. I'd hazard that there's not a whole lot of difference in sexual habits if you compare couples across the religious spectrum.

Also, I know that at least in Judaism, the woman is by law, largely in control of sexual relations. Husbands have a duty for sex, and can be divorced if they don't comply, but cannot, ever, force themselves on their wives. I don't think there's anything in there about making sex terrible either.

There's a huge difference between what religious institutions puportedly uphold and what happens behind closed doors among loving partners. I'd hazard that there's not a whole lot of difference in sexual habits if you compare couples across the religious spectrum.

Also, I know that at least in Judaism, the woman is by law, largely in control of sexual relations. Husbands have a duty for sex, and can be divorced if they don't comply, but cannot, ever, force themselves on their wives. I don't think there's anything in there about making sex terrible either.
Yeah well, the Jews don't cut off the woman's clitoris either.

I know, that's not a religious thing, it's a cultural one. Regardless, it's heinous. As is the practice of 'child brides'. Sex is absolutely made horrible for many, many women...more women than are 'allowed' to enjoy it, I would argue...and if I felt like finding sources, I'd probably be able to back that up. But just think about it seriously.

damn right it's due to sexual frustration.

I hate lesbians because I'm still a goddamn virgin and not getting any!!!

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Pfft...Sexual impulses have always done more harm than good. They are inherently irrational, and cause us to do many things that we normally wouldn't do. How many of male behaviors are indirectly/subconsciously tied to the need for sex? How many fights have been started because of posturing tied to the search of a mate? Sexuality is silly and irrational, and is only a necessary evil because of reproduction.

damn right it's due to sexual frustration.

I hate lesbians because I'm still a goddamn virgin and not getting any!!!
<snipped for everybodys sake>

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You hear that? Thats the worlds smallest violin playing JUST for you. Loads of people are still virgins, I am. Is not such a huge deal. And it certainly isnt any lesbians fault. I for one am perfectly happy to have lesbians around. Makes life interesting


EDIT: On topic, your right, everyone would be a lot happier if we were getting laid. But ONLY if the required emotional attention was given, we cant have a whole bunch of people left lost and alone and sad because someone rooted em and went away without a word.

Ever consider being a sexologist?

In ancient times the act of love-making was made holy and sacred. There was nothing to be ashamed about, you were only doing what was natural and pleasurable. And the fact that it created a life is all the better.

Where did we go wrong over the past couple of millenia?!

Well, according to some, sex negative attitudes were discovered to be a good way to keep people dependent on the priesthood or other forms of authority by giving people a source of perpetual guilt so they will look to the priests for purity and redemption of this "evil".

Pfft...Sexual impulses have always done more harm than good. They are inherently irrational, and cause us to do many things that we normally wouldn't do. How many of male behaviors are indirectly/subconsciously tied to the need for sex? How many fights have been started because of posturing tied to the search of a mate? Sexuality is silly and irrational, and is only a necessary evil because of reproduction.

Interesting, I've always suspected a link between stronger forms of rationalism and puritanism. It seems I might actually have a case for that.

Some of the most violent people in the United States are urban youths. They get plenty of sex. Explain that.

Duh. If everyone got laid all the time, we'd all be hippies.

Some of the most violent people in the United States are urban youths. They get plenty of sex. Explain that.

They're probably having sex with ugly people. Or they're compensating for poor performance.

http://www.scifilm.org/tv/tvgraphics/reddwarf-holoship.jpg

Anyone who gets the reference has another obstacle in the way of sex.

Uh oh... I'm DOOMED!!!

Pfft...Sexual impulses have always done more harm than good. They are inherently irrational, and cause us to do many things that we normally wouldn't do. How many of male behaviors are indirectly/subconsciously tied to the need for sex? How many fights have been started because of posturing tied to the search of a mate? Sexuality is silly and irrational, and is only a necessary evil because of reproduction.
How much less posturing would there be if men had ready access to sex?
Incidentally, sexual reproduction is no longer necessary.

I'm fairly certain I'm sick because I haven't been getting enough lately. :(

Of course, I'm all for having our world leaders get together for big orgies and making sex compulsory for all religious leaders, but it's hard enough for them to get along let alone get in bed together. Not to mention how many popes would have to be replaced due to frequent heart attacks when a hooker weilding a whip enters the vatican.

3.36%

I'm fairly certain I'm sick because I haven't been getting enough lately. :(
Can I help you with that? :fluffle: :D

Can I help you with that? :fluffle: :D

Are you trying to get out of being a sacrificial virgin?;)

Are you trying to get out of being a sacrificial virgin?;)
Well, I AM if being a sacrifical virgin means having to sacrifice myself instead of my virginity.... :eek: :D

Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a horny bastard. :p j/k lol

Now, if only we were in the same state.... :fluffle: :D

Well, I AM if being a sacrifical virgin means having to sacrifice myself instead of my virginity.... :eek: :D

Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a horny bastard. :p j/k lol

Now, if only we were in the same state.... :fluffle: :D

Ah, but before we are admonished to get a room, I must inform you that I am old enough to be your big sister by 10 years and 3 days and I would probably break you. Besides, it would narrow my chances of getting that secret santa gift. Thanks for the flattery though you horny bastard! :D

Ah, but before we are admonished to get a room, I must inform you that I am old enough to be your big sister by 10 years and 3 days and I would probably break you. Besides, it would narrow my chances of getting that secret santa gift. Thanks for the flattery though you horny bastard! :D
If you must know, I DO like older women, so no need to worry! :D lol

Religious societies make sex taboo, make it dirty and bad. Secular societies exploit sex, which makes sex taboo, dirty, bad and ubiquitous. Pretty much all over the world you have people who would be better for some regular sex. Sexual health is a major, and inadequately addressed issue. Sexual freedom is still a dream for most people. And I seriously think we are able to maintain this constant level of hatred and violence only because we don't drain it off enough with some healthy copulation.

Thoughts? I'm entirely serious. If having sex takes away my liking of violent death metal, then I'm abstaining for life.:D

Well, that fairly killed conversation. Although I suppose BDSM and death metal would be compatible…;)

Well, that fairly killed conversation. Although I suppose BDSM and death metal would be compatible…;)

Not very. Although death metal may be about pain and suffering, you need some manufactured pop acts to actually cause it.

Where did we go wrong over the past couple of millenia?!

Monotheistic Hebrews. I believe it went something like this*:

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Hebrew X: "Well, we've been walking for ages now. My feet hurt and I'm sick of bloody well walking. This is a nice place, though. Maybe we should settl-- WHOA! Look over there!"

Hebrew Y: "What? What I'm I looking at? Oh, wait. Very funny, Hebrew X. I'm not going to fall for tha-- HOLY MOLY!"

Hebrew X: "Look at those pagans! They're having sex in that evil pagan temple! And they're performing some kind of weird, undoubtedly diabolical pagan sex ritual along with it!"

Hebrew Z: "Hey, that looks like fun, I might just go see if I they'll let--"

Hebrew X: "Shut up, Hebrew Z! Those are evil pagans, and I'm pissed about having to walk so bloody far with no sex, and these guys are having sex in their bloody temples!"

Hebrew Z: "Yeah, but it looks like f--"

Hebrew X: "NO! I'm angry and sexually tense! I'm gonna go massacre me some pagan sex fiends!"

Hebrew Y: "We get to kill people? Cool. But won't our god be pissed?"

Hebrew X: "I.. uhh... NO! Because they're pagans! *crosses out something in holy book and scrawls something, then shows it to Hebrew Y* See? It's okay! Our god hates sex, see? It says so in the book."

Hebrew Y: "Okay, cool. Let's go gut some naked people."

Hebrew Z: "Oh well. Don't wanna look stupid in front of my buddies. I guess it's slaughtering time!"

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*probably didn't actually go anything like that.

Because you can construct a Jewish conspiracy to explain anything!

In MY world, just about everything.

damn right it's due to sexual frustration.

I hate lesbians because I'm still a goddamn virgin and not getting any!!!

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Please, when you have the chance, go back and edit this post to make the scream shorter...it's messing with the page formatting.

Some of the most violent people in the United States are urban youths. They get plenty of sex. Explain that.
Look at the type of sex they have. Usually, very hetero, masculine dominant sex. Women are denigrated, and treated as sexual objects for release...not as equals who should also enjoy it. As well, this almost comical form of masculinity gives the men themselves no chance to explore their own sexuality. Some of them may enjoy a role other than the dominant one, but it would reflect on their social status if that ever got out. So you have a prime example of people forced into particular sexual roles...roles which are extremely inflexible.

Again...having a lot of sex does not mean you are sexually liberated, or even aware of you own desires. Prostitutes have lots of sex...and they certainly aren't all doing it because they are 'free' of sexual constraints.

Not very. Although death metal may be about pain and suffering, you need some manufactured pop acts to actually cause it. LOL! Sigged!

Anyway… the only celibate people I know are all happy people who aren't violent in the least.:) But that could be because they're comfortable with it?

LOL! Sigged!

Anyway… the only celibate people I know are all happy people who aren't violent in the least.:) But that could be because they're comfortable with it?

It's not comfort, it's resignation.

It's not comfort, it's resignation. Resignation has rarely made a happy person.

EDIT: We should keep people in a state of guilty sexual frustration, so they can channel their energy into making tanks and bombs. Or use it to control them.

LOL! Sigged!

Anyway… the only celibate people I know are all happy people who aren't violent in the least.:) But that could be because they're comfortable with it?
Well, celibacy is not always sexually frustrating, so yeah...I'd say comfort is key.

Resignation has rarely made a happy person.



I know.

Hmmm....
Haven't we always had sexual freedom?
Face the facts:
I'm 15... legally I can have sex (though I choose not to at this point, as do many adolescents my age)
I knew a girl who voluntarily lost her virginity at the age of 11...
to me, thats unethical, but she may do as she wish.
Sex is simply a biological nescecity for procreation! We need sex to prevent the human race from becoming extinct!
It has nothing to do with intimacy, in my opinion.
Humans, in logic, are animals. And like animals, once we have reached sexual maturity we are fully capable of procreating.
Thats what sex should be intended for alone. Having Children. NOT for pleasure, NOT for making money... thats all looked down upon in society.
So heres the debate: Is it wrong for adolescents to engage in sexual acts?
Wrong as in....
politically absurd?
sure.
But frankly, I'm on the Con side of this one simply because the youth of today; although fully capable of having children, are not mature to the extent that they could become competant parents. That and the STD risks and the like.

Theres my say in the matter. Do as you please with it.

~Katherine

Thats what sex should be intended for alone. Having Children. NOT for pleasure, NOT for making money... thats all looked down upon in society. What...are you kidding? You think the world is messed up NOW...you just imagine what forcing sex to be only about procreation would do...*shudders*.



So heres the debate: Is it wrong for adolescents to engage in sexual acts?
Wrong as in....
politically absurd?
sure.
But frankly, I'm on the Con side of this one simply because the youth of today; although fully capable of having children, are not mature to the extent that they could become competant parents. That and the STD risks and the like.
They need to learn how to NOT become parents, and not get STIs (no longer called STDs), and how to enjoy sex responsibly. In my opinion. Because they are going to have sex, no matter how much you try to stop them...you might as well arm them with knowledge, condoms and birth control.

But then again, I'm for buying girls a dildo when they're about 12 or 13...I mean, if you really think they aren't already playing around at that age, either alone or with others, you're really fooling yourself.

Please, when you have the chance, go back and edit this post to make the scream shorter...it's messing with the page formatting.
That was 2 pages ago. :rolleyes:

Who made you my mother? :p

Jumping in way late, but jumping in nonetheless ...

ALL of the worlds problems are because of sexual frustration. If there was no sexual frustration, everyone could more easily concentrate on solving the really important problems like disease, hunger, virginity, etc.

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It's hard to be open about your sexual attitudes though. People do a lot of judging based on what you say about sex. Not just in terms of orientaion...that's a fairly obvious one that most of us are prepared for (reaction wise), but just in general attitudes. For example, I have told a couple of my close friends about my change in relationship with my husband (opening it up), but I know I can't tell other friends because they'd be totally weirded out, and try to talk me out of it 'for my own good':rolleyes: I really don't want a 'sexual intervention'. But it pisses me off that I have to hide this, when I am used to being utterly open about everything. I don't like secrets:(

My wife and I decided to think about being polyamorous (http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html) back in 2000. It wasn't until last year that we actually did anything about it, and probably one of the hardest things is determining which friends I'm comfortable talking about it with. Ironically, one of the reasons that we finally did something about it was that one of our friends who I talked with were also opening their marriage and now they're much closer friends than they used to be, and you know what I mean! :fluffle:

Interestingly to me, it's also opened up a whole different set of sexual adventures that I didn't ever figure would be part of my repetoire. After a fairly lackadaisical sex life over the past few years, this new outlet has given us a whole new injection of energy! It's also a great way to warm up our cold Canadian evenings... :)

My wife and I decided to think about being polyamorous (http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html) back in 2000. It wasn't until last year that we actually did anything about it, and probably one of the hardest things is determining which friends I'm comfortable talking about it with. Ironically, one of the reasons that we finally did something about it was that one of our friends who I talked with were also opening their marriage and now they're much closer friends than they used to be, and you know what I mean! :fluffle:

Interestingly to me, it's also opened up a whole different set of sexual adventures that I didn't ever figure would be part of my repetoire. After a fairly lackadaisical sex life over the past few years, this new outlet has given us a whole new injection of energy! It's also a great way to warm up our cold Canadian evenings... :)
Wow...this sounds a lot like us, though we're still in the not-quite stage. What we have discovered, nosing about, is that there are a lot more people out there in open relationships than we EVER thought possible, and that because so few people really understand, a person in an open relationship is going to have two sets of friends. Those in the know, and those in the dark.

I'm not sure why this sort of things seems so normal to me...but then again, I've always known it was possible to love more than one person at a time...and I mean love, not lust after. I figure whatever you are comfortable with, monogamy or not...as long as you do it with a good understanding of your limits, it can only be good.

Yah, I know this thread is really old now ... :eek:

Wow...this sounds a lot like us, though we're still in the not-quite stage. What we have discovered, nosing about, is that there are a lot more people out there in open relationships than we EVER thought possible, and that because so few people really understand, a person in an open relationship is going to have two sets of friends. Those in the know, and those in the dark.

Yes, exactly, although I think we have a group of friends that I'd describe as really confused ... as in, by some of the comments we make... :D

I'm not sure why this sort of things seems so normal to me...but then again, I've always known it was possible to love more than one person at a time...and I mean love, not lust after. I figure whatever you are comfortable with, monogamy or not...as long as you do it with a good understanding of your limits, it can only be good.

My partner was the first one to suggest it and at first I was reticent. We went through a bit of a roller coaster ride, especially with some of our first outside experiences, and learning boundaries, but it's been worth it. Now, it seems so normal, like you say, and it's tough sometimes to keep my mouth shut when I'm around people who I know would not approve.

Oh, I just remembered a book that you might like to read - if you're into reading. The Ethical Slut is a really wonderful book - for men or women - who are looking into open relationships. I'd highly recommend it.

Anyway, hope it goes well for you!

How much of what is wrong with the world is due to sexual frustration?
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I'm entirely serious.
You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

You know what confuses me the most about religion and sex? Most major religious traditions pretty much ensure that sex is going to be terrible. Women aren’t supposed to enjoy it, aren’t supposed to want it, or be active in it…and men are down with this? I mean…any idiot should be able to figure out that if you please your partner, your partner will please you. So if you make sure that women hate sex…you’re not going to be getting decent sex unless you turn to your OWN sex…which is something that is generally a no-no too…sheesh! What are these people thinking? No wonder they’re miserable!


WHAT ARE YOU ON?:confused:

I am kind of curious why the emphasis is on religious repression of sexuality. Personally, I've found that the biggest obstacle to love is the simple fact that every woman I've ever met who's said "I wish I could find a nice guy" (which, to be technically accurate, is all of them) has really meant "I wish I could find a rich guy who looks like Brad Pitt, who also happens to be nice". Consequently, even though I'm stronger, smarter, and more attractive than average, I nevertheless get shunted to the side in favor of the lesser guy who acts like a jackass.

Thoughts? I'm entirely serious.
I think at heart, we'd all prefer to be more like Benobos than Babboons. However, there are those among us who, by being like Babboons ruin everything for all of those would-be Benobos out there.

(Benobos are a variety of Chimpanzee who resolve conflict through sexual behaviour while Babboons are primates prone to resolving conflict through violent means, even and in many cases resulting in maiming or death. Chimpanzees are the group of primates most closely related to mankind - and last I'd heard, anyway, the Benobo was actually the single-closest human-related variety of Chimpanzee, though I could be wrong on that one, admittedly. Babboons aren't as closely related. Thank goodness. They smell dreadful.)

I am kind of curious why the emphasis is on religious repression of sexuality.

Well, I've heard some theories on it, though they would probably strike you as very left wing.

WHAT ARE YOU ON?:confused:
My chair. Why...what are you riding?

I am kind of curious why the emphasis is on religious repression of sexuality. Because I’m talking about the world, not just one particular country. And on a global scale, religion has a lot to answer for in terms of creating sexual issues.