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This is something that i have heared much about and actually read a new story about it in the paper this morning.
Yes i do know paedophillia is constantly happening regardless of faith etc but the main stories are always based around christianity.
I just want to find other peoples views on this as mine are that its much more fun to target a larger respected group as a pose to a nobody pervert that noone cares about.

A half-decent explanation for all this: Since the priesthood requires celibacy, people who are attracted to children join the priesthood since the only sex they want is considered forbidden by society. They believe that they can dedicate themselves to the priesthood and no longer have much of a desire to have sex with children. Needless to say, it doesn't always work. Aside from that, they have access to altar boys and they have the community's respect because they are priests...or they did until this whole scandal broke out.

The media focuses on big organizations where people assume their children are safe because this makes for more sensational news. They get much better ratings whenever they can convince you that you need to know the information they are going to give you tonight at 10, because you may not be as safe as you thought you were. This time around, it's the catholic church's turn, in the past its been the Boy Scouts of America and preschools. They will always focus on the most sensational stories, those are the ones that sell best.

I believe most of this is the ready access to children, large prevalence of christianity, western society in general, and relative tolerance by the church.

As far as I can tell, Rabbis, Imams and other religious leaders to not the access to children without parents present that christian priests do.

Christianity is the largest religion in the Western World, if not globally, but the 90% of the Free Media is in the West, so they will concentrate on matters that concern the average citizen. Not to say that other religious figures abusing children is not of concern, but people are going to be more corcerned about the priest that access to their children than the rabbi at the synagogue down the road.

Plus I have found that it is less common in the Middle East, due to the severity of punishment. Iran may be many things, but soft on paedophiles is not one of them. One got caught a year or so ago, he was lashed, stabbed and hung by crane. They hung him by crane so his neck would not snap ala Western hangings, but be choked to death. That's deterrance.

However the most significant factor is the Church hides it repeatedly, frequently and denies it happens, which is a significant reasons why Christianity is losing attendents. Who want priests to molest their children

first of all, its not constantly. its a very few men (and probably a few women too) who molest children over a large number of years so that when they are finally discovered they have committed a very large number of crimes.

its based around christianity because this news is coming out of countries with mostly christian populations. it happens in all religions.

when an abusive minded person has alot of power over others s/he gets away with it more often than the pathetic pervert on the street. when s/he is finally found out it is spectacular news with many layers...sex, power, volume, time, religion, psychology

"The church are constantly sexually abusing young boys why?"

Because, like my ex, the Catholic Church thinks men can simply stifle their sexuality without it coming out in other ways. :headbang:

Its not Christians, its Catholics there is is a difference. Catholics use ritualized services and belive that mary was a holy person because she was a virgin when Jesus was born. Christians belive that mary was just a girl who God choose to use to bring his son Jesus into life on Earth.

Christian pastors and preists are allowed to get married and therefor don't have the lust for young children when they can just go home and spend some quaillity time with the wife.:fluffle:

Ah, you do know that instances of child abuse among priests are lower than other professions?

The abuse in the catholic church is noteworthy because of the cover-up perpetrated by the authorities among the church.

And there's the big fucking argument again. Sorry for the profanity, but I'm not feeling well lately, so everything is ten times more annoying.

Catholicism IS Christianity.
Protestantism IS Christianity.

They are both part of one bigass umbrella called Christianity, which is part of something else, but I'm not gonna bother with that right now.

That's one thing that just irritates me to no end.

Protestantism includes Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, Evangelists, and all that other stuff that divides Christians.

With Catholicism, they've got their own sects as well.

Still, they're both in the same big category, so don't call say that one is Christianity and the other is not.

Its not Christians, its Catholics there is is a difference. Catholics use ritualized services and belive that mary was a holy person because she was a virgin when Jesus was born. Christians belive that mary was just a girl who God choose to use to bring his son Jesus into life on Earth.

Christian pastors and preists are allowed to get married and therefor don't have the lust for young children when they can just go home and spend some quaillity time with the wife.:fluffle:


Are you just slightly stupid? Roman Catholicism is Christianity. And secondly, why don't you refer to them as Roman Catholics? The word "Catholic" is used to describe the entire world church. NOT the Church of Rome. The protestant, baptist, happy-clappy, pentecostal and other demonominations of which you speak are simply a reaction against aspects of Roman Catholicism. How can you say that Roman Catholics and Christians are different? Take the Roman Catholic Church out of you've got not much left. Fool.

"The church are constantly sexually abusing young boys why?"

Because, like my ex, the Catholic Church thinks men can simply stifle their sexuality without it coming out in other ways. :headbang:

Yeah but... no matter how stifled you are... can you EVER imagine it "coming out" into young boys? I mean there's reasonable results from causes... and there's outright perverted criminality..

Because sexually abusing young girls leaves physical proof. :P

Its not Christians, its Catholics there is is a difference. Catholics use ritualized services and belive that mary was a holy person because she was a virgin when Jesus was born. Christians belive that mary was just a girl who God choose to use to bring his son Jesus into life on Earth.

Christian pastors and preists are allowed to get married and therefor don't have the lust for young children when they can just go home and spend some quaillity time with the wife.:fluffle:

And yet there are pastors who also abuse children sexually -- my dear, methinks your bias is showing....

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1105/278428.html&e=9797
www.kensmen.com/catholic/clergysexabuse.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/22/louisiana.church/
http://www.darkness2light.org/news/news.asp


I am VERY sure we can find reports of Rabbis and Imams abusing children as well, if we cared to look.

Because all your boys are belong to the church.

Ummm ... in Soviet Russia, boys molest the church!

Ok ok .... I don't have an answer.

Its not Christians, its Catholics there is is a difference. Catholics use ritualized services and belive that mary was a holy person because she was a virgin when Jesus was born. Christians belive that mary was just a girl who God choose to use to bring his son Jesus into life on Earth.

Christian pastors and preists are allowed to get married and therefor don't have the lust for young children when they can just go home and spend some quaillity time with the wife.:fluffle:

no,all catholics are also christians.christians are everyone who follows the teachings of jesus(not 100% on that bit,but you get the drift),catholics are one offshoot of christianity,like protestantism.

And having a wife does not magically make you not want to molest children.

As far as I can tell, Rabbis, Imams and other religious leaders to not the access to children without parents present that christian priests do.


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Actually I posted a news story several months back about the high rate of sexual abuse in some Madrassas in Pakistan. Only the poorest parents sent their kids there because food and education were provided free. Parents who could afford to send their kids to other schools and feed them at home did so because of the risk of molestation.

As for the Catholics, well, pedophiles aren't really interested in women. They don't want to get married, but if they've never been married or at least in long term relationships as they get older people tend to look at them as closeted gays, so they join the church. Now they have an excuse for not being interested in women.

Christianity is the largest religion in the Western World, if not globally,

Not so. Xtianity is actually the thrid largest religion globally. Islam and Buddism are the top 2 as far as numbers go.

With regards to Catholics they make up just 27% of the xtian pop. in the USA.

As for pedophiles "needing a wife" that is inncaurate. Here's some facts.
Most pedophiles are sex abuse survivors themselves. However only a small portion of sex abuse survivors go on to become pedophiles.

At best only 2% of pedophiles can be "cured"

A pedophiles emotional growth is often stunted and they are unable to form healthy adult relationships. It's as if a large part them is still a child.

One in 5 adults was sexually abused as a child. That means 20% of the people you meet and communicate with everyday is a sex abuse survivor.

http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm

This link is a list of the 12 warning signs of an abusive person. I learned these in LPN (nurse or sisters as you call em in the UK). I have found them to be very accurate through out the the years.
http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abusive_signs.htm

Is jealous or possessive toward you.
(Jealousy is the primary symptom of abusive relationships; it is also a core component of Sexual Addictions and Love Addiction.)
bullet Tries to control you by being very bossy or demanding.
bullet Tries to isolate you by demanding you cut off social contacts and friendships.
bullet Is violent and / or loses his or her temper quickly.
bullet Pressures you sexually, demands sexual activities you are not comfortable with.
bullet Abuses drugs or alcohol.
bullet Claims you are responsible for his or her emotional state. (This is a core diagnostic criteria for Codependency.)
bullet Blames you when he or she mistreats you.
bullet Has a history of bad relationships.
bullet Your family and friends have warned you about the person or told you that they are concerned for your safety or emotional well being.
bullet You frequently worry about how he or she will react to things you say or do.
bullet Makes "jokes" that shame, humiliate, demean or embarrass you, weather privately or around family and friends.
bullet Your partner grew up witnessing an abusive parental relationship, and/or was abused as a child.
bullet Your partner "rages" when they feel hurt, shame, fear or loss of control.
bullet Both parties in abusive relationships may develop or progress in drug or alcohol dependence in a (dysfunctional) attempt to cope with the pain.
bullet You leave and then return to your partner repeatedly, against the advice of your friends, family and loved ones.
bullet You have trouble ending the relationship, even though you know inside it's the right thing to do.

I've also included a few warning signs that can help spot a child molester. Maybe it will help someone one day. Me presonally I like Irans policy towards molesters :sniper: :mp5:

http://www.stopitnow.com/warnings.html

What To Watch Out For When Adults
Are With Children

Have you ever seen someone playing with a child and felt uncomfortable with it? Maybe you thought, "I'm just over-reacting," or, "He/She doesn't really mean that." Don't ignore the behavior; learn how to ask more questions about what you have seen. The checklist below offers some warning signs.

Do you know an adult or older child who:

* Refuses to let a child set any of his or her own limits?
* Insists on hugging, touching, kissing, tickling, wrestling with or holding a child even when the child does not want this affection?
* Is overly interested in the sexuality of a particular child or teen (e.g., talks repeatedly about the child's developing body or interferes with normal teen dating)?
* Manages to get time alone or insists on time alone with a child with no interruptions?
* Spends most of his/her spare time with children and has little interest in spending time with someone their own age?
* Regularly offers to babysit many different children for free or takes children on overnight outings alone?
* Buys children expensive gifts or gives them money for no apparent reason?
* Frequently walks in on children/teens in the bathroom?
* Allows children or teens to consistently get away with inappropriate behaviors?

The reason we don't see this kind of abuse in Judaism or Islam is that clergy are allowed (and, at least in Judaism, REQUIRED) to get married and have kids. I go to a religious high school. All the rabbis there have at least two children.

They don't need to have sex with kids. They have their wives.

And having a wife does not magically make you not want to molest children. Very true. Many paedophiles are married.

Anyway, why aren't we complaining about Chinese teachers? Chinese teachers are occasionally convicted for abusing children because they have huge amounts of authority, so paedophiles in the institution can get away with it.

Anyway, I'm going to just wait until the next scandal comes round and everyone will find it more interesting.

EDIT: I don't particularly like the general insinuation here that if you don't have sex, you'll turn into a paedophile. Unbacked by evidence and pernicious.

The reason we don't see this kind of abuse in Judaism or Islam is that clergy are allowed (and, at least in Judaism, REQUIRED) to get married and have kids.

Pedophiles have no interest in grown women.

They are Catholic, not Christian.

They are Catholic, not Christian.

Bigot.

Pedophiles have no interest in grown women.

Statistics are a requirement, sir! :D

The reason we don't see this kind of abuse in Judaism or Islam is that clergy are allowed (and, at least in Judaism, REQUIRED) to get married and have kids. I go to a religious high school. All the rabbis there have at least two children.

They don't need to have sex with kids. They have their wives.

www.csbsju.edu/isti/Book%2520Reviews/june02.htm&e=9797
www.catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm&e=9797
www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/050401/abuse.shtml&e=9797
www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/jewish_sexual_abuse.html&e=9797
www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4788993/22759493.html&e=9797
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/25350/edition_id/494/format/html/displaystory.html


You were saying?

Statistics are a requirement, sir! :D

That's asking me to think. To that, I say phooey! Now good day, sir! :p

They are Catholic, not Christian.

All Roman Catholics are Christians.
Not all Christians are Roman Catholics.

See the difference?

They are Catholic, not Christian.
If you don't think Catholics are christians you may want to throw out your Bible since the Catholic Church kind of put it together.

They are Catholic, not Christian.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

Thank you Jack Chick.

This is something that i have heared much about and actually read a new story about it in the paper this morning.
Yes i do know paedophillia is constantly happening regardless of faith etc but the main stories are always based around christianity.
I just want to find other peoples views on this as mine are that its much more fun to target a larger respected group as a pose to a nobody pervert that noone cares about.

Yeah. The media likes a scandal, and I'll bet other people do it just as much or more than the church. But it's only the church that gets covered. Basically, when groups like these make any slip-up, the media pounces on it as soon as possible...

Sorry. I meant that the reason it is a bigger problem for Catholics than for Jews is that rabbis can marry, while priests cannot.

Sorry. I meant that the reason it is a bigger problem for Catholics than for Jews is that rabbis can marry, while priests cannot.

But that's going on the assumption that a pedophile would prefer to be married to a grown woman. First of all, married men have been known to molest children. Second, pedophilia is not necessarily about sexual attraction, but more about control and power.

A pedophile who gets married would still seek to molest children.

Its not Christians, its Catholics .Catholics are Christians.

Get your facts straight.

Sorry but your partially wrong on the Catholic thing

All different groups of Christianity have different views. basically christianitly is a friendship with God and you get to heaven through faith and repentance as a gift from God. However most Catholics but not all believe that you get to heaven through good deeds this does not happen. Theres no evidence that you can buy or earn your way in to heaven that is wrote in the bible. There are over groups that have this same view that you can earn or buy your way in but you can't its not just Catholics.

So in conclusion

As usual people are talking about things they have no idea or sufficient knowledge about. Because they disagree with something in this case Christianity

Some Catholics are Christians but most aren't as i have said above

So the bible was put together by Catholics ok but through time the inperfection of hamanity have corrupted some groups that call themselves Christians and this is what has happened with Catholics as they got controlled by money from rich people trying to buy there way to heaven in Italy see history books for this information.

Peadophile is completely wrong and pure evil whoever it is done by and however does it should be executed or locked up for ever. And priests that do it obviosly arent Christians because they don't follow there religion because for any faith you have to follow the religious belief to be part of that religion.

Some Catholics are Christians but most aren't WTF are you talking about???

Read my lips:
All Catholics are Christians.

something tells me these ignorant posters are from my country.

History by Hollywood :rolleyes:
Knowledge by FOX/CNN/AP :rolleyes:

Are you stupid or just can't read properly? i just explained Christianity

You haven't got a clue what your talking about obviosly.

I can say i'm the pope from turkey it doesn't mean any of it is true just because Catholics or anyone else says that All Catholics are Christians it doesn't mean its true.

Sorry but your partially wrong on the Catholic thing

All different groups of Christianity have different views. basically christianitly is a friendship with God and you get to heaven through faith and repentance as a gift from God. However most Catholics but not all believe that you get to heaven through good deeds this does not happen. Theres no evidence that you can buy or earn your way in to heaven that is wrote in the bible. There are over groups that have this same view that you can earn or buy your way in but you can't its not just Catholics.

So in conclusion

As usual people are talking about things they have no idea or sufficient knowledge about. Because they disagree with something in this case Christianity

Some Catholics are Christians but most aren't as i have said above

So the bible was put together by Catholics ok but through time the inperfection of hamanity have corrupted some groups that call themselves Christians and this is what has happened with Catholics as they got controlled by money from rich people trying to buy there way to heaven in Italy see history books for this information. WTF are you on about? A Christian is one who follows Jesus as Christ and follows God's word.

Hmm, there was me thinking it was certain Protestant churches which said that financial wealth is a sign of God's love. Catholics do not believe in salvation by good works alone - try again.

Oh, and who are these rich people who control Catholicism today? Indulgences built St. Peter's church, but I can't ever remember reading that a shadowy donator used them to control the church.

Are you stupid or just can't read properly? I cant read some...and I have a decent IQ.

One of us(you or me)...is very stupid...because he did not double check his facts...before coming and looking like a total moron...;)

Sorry but your partially wrong on the Catholic thing

All different groups of Christianity have different views. basically christianitly is a friendship with God and you get to heaven through faith and repentance as a gift from God. However most Catholics but not all believe that you get to heaven through good deeds this does not happen. Theres no evidence that you can buy or earn your way in to heaven that is wrote in the bible. There are over groups that have this same view that you can earn or buy your way in but you can't its not just Catholics.

So in conclusion

As usual people are talking about things they have no idea or sufficient knowledge about. Because they disagree with something in this case Christianity

Some Catholics are Christians but most aren't as i have said above

So the bible was put together by Catholics ok but through time the inperfection of hamanity have corrupted some groups that call themselves Christians and this is what has happened with Catholics as they got controlled by money from rich people trying to buy there way to heaven in Italy see history books for this information.

Peadophile is completely wrong and pure evil whoever it is done by and however does it should be executed or locked up for ever. And priests that do it obviosly arent Christians because they don't follow there religion because for any faith you have to follow the religious belief to be part of that religion.


To say that most Catholic are not christian is a bit ignorant. The selling of indulgences hasn't been practised by the Church in a long time. Doing good deeds is something all christians should do. It's not that you just say "Praise Jesus" and your in heaven. If you truly are a christian you will pick up the whole idea of helping the less fortunate. I don't have respect for any christian (catholic, evangelist, pentacostal etc) that only pays lipservice to their faith.

Look up the history of the Anglican (arrogant King), Lutheran (power hungry German princes wanting the center of faith in their cities) and Eastern Orthodox (Eastern Roman Empire capital, might as well be the capital of the church to) Churches. Money and power played a huge factor in those particular churches breaking off from the Roman Catholic Church.

Well, I have to agree with you on the pedophile thing. They should be locked up for good. Saying you can cure their sexuality is like saying you can cure homosexuals it just doesn't work. Pedophiles just have a very wrong sexuality unlike almost everyone else.

are you.....American?
ooh you bitch!

wow look at this my little idea has blossomed into a debate.

Sweet.

The selling of indulgences hasn't been practised by the Church in a long time. Incorrect.

But anyway.

The Church has no higher share of paedophiles than any other institution. It's the fact that it's priests committing the crimes that gets media attention - and becomes the focus for a lot of anti-Catholic bias, which does exist.

No im not American

I explained what most Catholics believe but just to add most of them believe in doing good works to get into heaven but before this they go to limbo to have there sins punished. Forgiveness is ment to be a gift from god so there for you can't do good deeds to get forgiveness or buy your way there cause its a gift and you dont do anything to recieve a gift apart from ask for it. like a child asks for a toy for there birthday. Without forgiveness you can't get to heaven. So they believe in jesus but without asking for his gift of freindship and forgiveness your not a Christian you just believe that jesus/God exists which doesnt make you a Christian.

Incorrect.

But anyway.

The Church has no higher share of paedophiles than any other institution. It's the fact that it's priests committing the crimes that gets media attention - and becomes the focus for a lot of anti-Catholic bias, which does exist.
Really? Please tell me the last time priests went town to town saying pay us and your sins are gone?

ooh you bitch!

wow look at this my little idea has blossomed into a debate.

Sweet.some Americans have proven to be very ignorant about religion facts...

and they prove it often...we are the usual suspects (in these type of faux pas).

WTF are you talking about???

Read my lips:
All Catholics are Christians.

I refuse to believe that statement. Not all Catholics are Christian, and neither are all Pentecostals, Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Mennonites, Amish, [Anabaptists in general], Seventh-Day Adventists, etc...

Pedophiles have no interest in grown women.

Untrue im sure theres a sexuality that has attractions to kids and grown ups.
Like a bisexual thing.
possibly uni or tri sexual?

I wasent been ignorant i said most wern't maybe most is not true in general but in my expierence it is most so my apology's if most is not true in general but it seems to be and what i have said is what most other groups of Christians say about Catholics and many other Catholics i know say about themselves about the earning there way to heaven.

I explained what most.....you can talk all you want...You cannot change Facts.

Read my lips again:
All Catholics are Christians.
No im not AmericanOh yeah? thanks God...
because I am...

where are you from BTW?

I wasent been ignorant i said most wern't maybe most is not true in general but in my expierence it is most so my apology's if most is not true in general but it seems to be and what i have said is what most other groups of Christians say about Catholics and many other Catholics i know say about themselves about the earning there way to heaven.
Are you saying that a person who claims to be a christian can go their entire life with out helping a single other person and be a true christian?

Im English

Im not trying to change fact im trying to explain what is fact

some Americans have proven to be very ignorant about religion facts...

and they prove it often...we are the usual suspects (in these type of faux pas).

Ok the stereotypical american is stupid and fat (in the uk anyway) but you get ignorant people throughout the world regardless of origin.
Yes it can be fun to make these jokes and im not saying you should stop but try to keep an open mind.

Are you saying that a person who claims to be a christian can go their entire life with out helping a single other person and be a true christian?

No im saying good deeds alone wont get you into heaven like it says in the bible you still have to do good deeds or it would not say good deeds alone it says you still have to do good deeds.

I refuse to believe that statement. Not all Catholics are Christian, and neither are all Pentecostals, Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Mennonites, Amish, [Anabaptists in general], Seventh-Day Adventists, etc...You can refuse to believe all you want...

You can also refuse to believe anything you want...

No im saying good deeds alone wont get you into heaven like it says in the bible you still have to do good deeds or it would not say good deeds alone it says you still have to do good deeds.
Then if people are at least professing the catholic faith, then they are proclaiming that Jesus is their lord and savior and are also doing good deeds...why arent they christians?

Are you saying that a person who claims to be a christian can go their entire life with out helping a single other person and be a true christian?

Define true christian? The answer will be your beliefs and may not be the path others lead.

Free your mind.

You can refuse to believe all you want...

You can also refuse to believe anything you want...

I agree everyone has a choice thats what makes us human

Because sexually abusing young girls leaves physical proof. :P
WHOA what are you trying to say?
Do you speak from experience?

Ok the stereotypical american is stupid and fat (in the uk anyway) but you get ignorant people throughout the world regardless of origin.
Yes it can be fun to make these jokes and im not saying you should stop but try to keep an open mind.
#1 You can find stupid people in every Country.

#2 the US Problem is not generalized stupidity...its Ignorance

#3 Ignorance comes from poor/biased sources of Information...Hollywood, FOX , CNN , AP and other media...

Then if people are at least professing the catholic faith, then they are proclaiming that Jesus is their lord and savior and are also doing good deeds...why arent they christians?

They are if they have exepted the gift and repented from there sins. But if they are doing good deeds alone they aren't Christian they have to accept the gift and repent.

Define true christian? The answer will be your beliefs and may not be the path others lead.

Free your mind.
I am not the one who is trying to say most catholics are christians becuase they believe you do have to help your fellow man. I really don't care what faith people are as long as they do more then pay lipservice to it.

Define christian Christian = member of Christianity.

I am not the one who is trying to say most catholics are christians becuase they believe you do have to help your fellow man. I really don't care what faith people are as long as they do more then pay lipservice to it.

So can i sacrafice animals to increase my faith and not just pay "lipservice"?

They are if they have exepted the gift and repented from there sins. But if they are doing good deeds alone they aren't Christian they have to accept the gift and repent.
Which most catholics have accepted Christ, and confess and ask forgiveness for their sins.

Christian = member of Christianity.

Ok read the whole post thats what its there for. I know what a christian is i wanted to know what his opinion of a "true christian" was

A Christian is someone who accepts Gods gift of Forgiveness by jesus been put in there place on the cross, Exepts his freindship and does good deeds as i have been saying.

So can i sacrafice animals to increase my faith and not just pay "lipservice"?
Hey if that is what you faith wants you to do, go for it. It's not my place to say your faith is wrong and mine is right. There are still religions that make offers to their deity.

They are if they have exepted the gift and repented from there sins. But if they are doing good deeds alone they aren't Christian they have to accept the gift and repent.No you are wrong..to be really-True they have to accept the gift and repent and pray 3 times a day. :rolleyes:

A Christian is someone who accepts Gods gift of Forgiveness by jesus been put in there place on the cross, Exepts his freindship and does good deeds as i have been saying.

So if i accept the gift i havent recieved yet and help some old lady cross the road im christian?
how simply do you want this put?
I KNOW WHAT A CHRISTIAN IS

No you are wrong..to be really-True they have to accept the gift and repent and pray 3 times a day. :rolleyes:

Sorry where does it say in the bible you have to pray 3 times i havent seen that or even heard it before

No you are wrong..to be really-True they have to accept the gift and repent and pray 3 times a day. :rolleyes:No you are wrong..to be True-True they have to accept the gift and repent and pray 4 times a day..and eat fish on sundays :rolleyes:

I never really approved of clergy. They seem like the last people on Earth that I'd believe if they told me what God wants me to do.

Used car salesmen of the soul. *bleh*

I'll follow my own faith, thanks. If God disapproves, he'll smite me. Again. :p

No you are wrong..to be True-True they have to accept the gift and repent and pray 4 times a day..and eat fish on sundays :rolleyes:No you are wrong..to be True-True they have to accept the gift and repent and pray 4 times a day..and eat fish on fridays..:rolleyes:

So if i accept the gift i havent recieved yet and help some old lady cross the road im christian?
how simply do you want this put?
I KNOW WHAT A CHRISTIAN IS

Im sure i explained it well enough in what i said

dp

This is something that i have heared much about and actually read a new story about it in the paper this morning.
Yes i do know paedophillia is constantly happening regardless of faith etc but the main stories are always based around christianity.
I just want to find other peoples views on this as mine are that its much more fun to target a larger respected group as a pose to a nobody pervert that noone cares about.

Because the media only reports the stories that give it an opportunity to dump on Christianity

Sorry where does it say in the bible you have to pray 3 times i havent seen that or even heard it beforeDepends is that a True bible...or a True-True Bible...hey maybe its a triple-True bible :D

Theres only one bible old and new testament if outs added to it its not a bible

Theres only one bible old and new testament if outs added to it its not a bible
What about the 4 other gospels that didn't make it into the bible in the first place?

What about the 4 other gospels that didn't make it into the bible in the first place?

I think they're in the special Limited Edition Director's Cut. :)

Because the media only reports the stories that give it an opportunity to dump on Christianity
bull the media dumps on everything it can to make money dont feel singled out.

nope if outs added after this it is not part of bible says it in the end of revelation somewhere.

Depends is that a True bible...or a True-True Bible...hey maybe its a triple-True bible :D
Or maybe the bible is just a money making scheme?

I think they're in the special Limited Edition Director's Cut. :)
I liked that

Or maybe the bible is just a money making scheme?

Maybe maybe not i enagine some will do this but they shouldn't Gideons give em away still i think

nope if outs added after this it is not part of bible says it in the end of revelation somewhere.
Then your putting some pretty remarkable amount of faith into the catholic church for putting the right books in.

Catholic priests are celibate. Children are vulnerable, easy to decieve, and more often then not don't tell anything about anything. It's that simple.

Then your putting some pretty remarkable amount of faith into the catholic church for putting the right books in.

Nope just God and the apostles they could of been wrote after the bible was these other 4 but thats only a guess i dont know for defo

Or maybe the bible is just a money making scheme? Heh. Making the rich poorer… a radical new money-making scheme.

WHY ARE CATHOLICS NOT CHRISTIAN? They believe that faith alone is not always sufficient to gain salvation. Doesn't the Bible say that, for example, thieves and slanderers will not see the Kingdom of God? Not just non-Christian thieves and slanderers… ALL thieves and slanderers.

Catholic priests are celibate. Children are vulnerable, easy to decieve, and more often then not don't tell anything about anything. It's that simple.
If it's that simple why is it that the priests that do this are in a very small minority and that it happens in other faiths.

Catholic priests are celibate. Children are vulnerable, easy to decieve, and more often then not don't tell anything about anything. It's that simple. So, according to you, anyone celibate is likely to become a paedophile?

Heh. Making the rich poorer… a radical new money-making scheme.

WHY ARE CATHOLICS NOT CHRISTIAN? They believe that faith alone is not always sufficient to gain salvation. Doesn't the Bible say that, for example, thieves and slanderers will not see the Kingdom of God? Not just non-Christian thieves and slanderers… ALL thieves and slanderers.

Would you say the same for murder's? that they won't see the kingdom of God

ooh you bitch!

wow look at this my little idea has blossomed into a debate.

Sweet.your little Thread has blossomed into a shitstorm...but thats what you wanted isn't it?

after all you just are an attention whore...aren't you?

Anyhow...I will report your thread on the basis that the Title is discriminatory...Church Pastors or Priest of any religion...do not molest more than the non-clergy population.

and your title is defamatory..the burden of proof is on you...

Its like the People bioching about NFL players having a lot of criminals in their ranks...when the stats show % are just like the general population.

Its a myth in both cases, NFL players and religion officials..all religions.

Nope just God and the apostles they could of been wrote after the bible was these other 4 but thats only a guess i dont know for defo
The Bible in any form as we know it didn't come together until hundreds of years after Jesus lived. Once again, the Catholic Church put the Bible together. They had to round up all the books on christianity and try to figure out which ones were legitimate. You have to have faith that the early church got the right books in.

If it's that simple why is it that the priests that do this are in a very small minority and that it happens in other faiths.

exactly man.
personally i think the simple answer is that sexual predators go where they believe they can get vulnerable kids....counselling, preisthood, teaching etc
sickening but there it is.
its not a certain career that breeds paedos but careers they "choose"

The Bible in any form as we know it didn't come together until hundreds of years after Jesus lived. Once again, the Catholic Church put the Bible together. They had to round up all the books on christianity and try to figure out which ones were legitimate. You have to have faith that the early church got the right books in.

Maybe your right but the early church was not currpt then.

your little Thread has blossomed into a shitstorm...but that what you wanted isn't it?

after all you just are an attention whore...aren't you?

Anyhow...I will report your thread on the basis that the Title is discriminatory...Church Pastors or Priest of any religion...do not molest more than the non-clergy population.

and your title is defamatory..the burden of proof is on you...

Its like the People bioching about NFL players having a lot of criminals in their ranks...when the stats show % are just like the general population.

Its a myth in both cases, NFL players and religion officials..all religions.


YOU FOOL
i say right at the start and i quote "Yes i do know paedophillia is constantly happening regardless of faith etc"
so i wasnt discriminating the whole point of this forum was why are catholics targeted? I was asking not discriminating.

READ IT!!

This is something that i have heared much about and actually read a new story about it in the paper this morning.
Yes i do know paedophillia is constantly happening regardless of faith etc but the main stories are always based around christianity.
I just want to find other peoples views on this as mine are that its much more fun to target a larger respected group as a pose to a nobody pervert that noone cares about.

So, according to you, anyone celibate is likely to become a paedophile?
You drew the conclusion wrong. Anyone celibate with large numbers of vulnerable children around then every day, all week long, has a hightened possibility of becoming a pedophile. I'd note that these "Predator Priests" are strongly in the minority of the entire preisthood.

bull the media dumps on everything it can to make money dont feel singled out.

True, anything that is out of the norm is shot down by the media. I'm a Christian but I don't feel constantly targeted by the media.

I think the media just wants to get scandals.

I also think that you wouldn't go into the priesthood with the intention of molesting children, purely because of the responsibilities that come with the job. It simply wouldn't be worth the trouble!

We are all humans and we all have urges which are hard to stifle. Unfortunately, sometimes it is hard to keep these urges in. To say that priests chose to do what they do so they could satisfy their urges is completely ignorant.

You drew the conclusion wrong. Anyone celibate with large numbers of vulnerable children around then every day, all week long, has a hightened possibility of becoming a pedophile. I'd note that these "Predator Priests" are strongly in the minority of the entire preisthood. They're more likely to become a paedophile if they're paedophilic in the first place. Most people (I hope) and certainly most who would join the priesthood would find the idea of abusing children morally repulsive. You can't see yourself doing it, for instance.

Are you just slightly stupid? Roman Catholicism is Christianity. And secondly, why don't you refer to them as Roman Catholics? The word "Catholic" is used to describe the entire world church. NOT the Church of Rome. The protestant, baptist, happy-clappy, pentecostal and other demonominations of which you speak are simply a reaction against aspects of Roman Catholicism. How can you say that Roman Catholics and Christians are different? Take the Roman Catholic Church out of you've got not much left. Fool.


If you're going to just abuse someone, at least make sure you don't come across like a cretin.

You've obviously heard of the Reformation; so why are you attempting to argue that there is no difference between Roman Catholics and other Christians?

They're more likely to become a paedophile if they're paedophilic in the first place. Most people (I hope) and certainly most who would join the priesthood would find the idea of abusing children morally repulsive. You can't see yourself doing it, for instance.
how do you become a paedophille if you already are one?
and i would say it would be worth it to a paedophille as they would have a job and access to many children all in one.

If you're going to just abuse someone, at least make sure you don't come across like a cretin.
Good advice and also read the full post before commenting

and i would say it would be worth it to a paedophille as they would have a job and access to many children all in one.

I don't really agree. Obviously you do have access to a lot of kids, but priests jobs aren't solely based around looking after children. They have much more things to do. If you didn't believe in God or anything then being a priest would be a waste of time because frankly, you wouldn't be any good at it.

If you want a job with kids, become a teacher or something.

If you want a job with kids, become a teacher or something.

Thanks for the advice but i may pass on the whole paedophiilia trip

The church are constantly sexually abusing young boys why?

Because Church is where all the priest end up .

Because Church is where all the priest end up .

Meaning what?

Meaning what?

meaning nothing,looks like a joke to me.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

Thank you Jack Chick.
Ah, Jack Chick:
The man who takes everything literally, besides Catholic beliefs
:p
Hey, Mister Chick, if you really think Catholics are doing things against the Bible or are using a false Bible, you must realize: the Bible that you are reading right now was written by Catholics.

Ah, Jack Chick:
The man who takes everything literally, besides Catholic beliefs
:p
Hey, Mister Chick, if you really think Catholics are doing things against the Bible or are using a false Bible, you must realize: the Bible that you are reading right now was written by Catholics.

Yup there was probably an original bible but all thats left is a bastardised form of it.

Yup there was probably an original bible but all thats left is a bastardised form of it. The Bible was compiled by the Church at the council of something.

They are Catholic, not Christian.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

Thank you Jack Chick.

My statement stands.

The reason vicars are into paedophilia is so that the following line can happen



"Whilst the number of choirboys indecently assaulted annualy by vicars may lead you to believe England is a deeply religeous country..." - Henry Wilt, Wilt On High

:P


I think the reason for the stories focusing on preists is that we tend to expect preists to be deeply moral people, not kiddie fiddlers. And thus the papers go all out to cause moral outrage and get their sales up.

The reason vicars are into paedophilia is so that the following line can happen



"Whilst the number of choirboys indecently assaulted annualy by vicars may lead you to believe England is a deeply religeous country..." - Henry Wilt, Wilt On High

:P


I think the reason for the stories focusing on preists is that we tend to expect preists to be deeply moral people, not kiddie fiddlers. And thus the papers go all out to cause moral outrage and get their sales up.


Yup papers generally treat everything as a scandal and when something actually is surprising and there is a decent story the media benifits from not just spouting drivel.

My statement stands. Christian = one who believes Jesus to be the Messiah and God, and who follows his teachings.

Therefore Roman Catholics are Christians. What's hard to understand?

Since the Majority of the cases in this are Catholics, it's the fact that, pardon me, the Catholic priests aren't allowed any females to...

Since the Majority of the cases in this are Catholics, it's the fact that, pardon me, the Catholic priests aren't allowed any females to... I'm a Catholic and I'm probably never going to ever have sex in my life… and I don't feel a sudden attraction to children.

A half-decent explanation for all this: Since the priesthood requires celibacy, people who are attracted to children join the priesthood since the only sex they want is considered forbidden by society. They believe that they can dedicate themselves to the priesthood and no longer have much of a desire to have sex with children. Needless to say, it doesn't always work. Aside from that, they have access to altar boys and they have the community's respect because they are priests...or they did until this whole scandal broke out.
Agreed for the most part

Hell the church made us go through sexed in 4th grade ... and had the priest teach it (who later molested me and two of my friends)

Agreed for the most part

Hell the church made us go through sexed in 4th grade ... and had the priest teach it (who later molested me and two of my friends)
nice

The church are constantly sexually abusing young boys why?

The obvious answer is that Christian boys are much hotter than Muslim or Jewish boys.

The obvious answer is that Christian boys are much hotter than Muslim or Jewish boys. Wow, that's a new one. But I would say that you got it wrong with the Jews. :D

What?

the main stories are always based around christianity.

That's because it's politically incorrect for the media to report paedophilia in other faiths

That's because it's politically incorrect for the media to report paedophilia in other faiths

I seriously doubt that it is reported at all in the Islamic world. Considering how they are wont to blame the victim of rape as harshly, if not more harshly than the offender.

I seriously doubt that it is reported at all in the Islamic world. Considering how they are wont to blame the victim of rape as harshly, if not more harshly than the offender.

And that's totally different from our courts dragging up a rape victim's dress/drinking/social habits... how? :p All cultures seem to do this! But I'll take your point, at least we're _trying_ to do better...

Okay, let's think about this...

In the Western world, primarily Usa and England, the majority of religious people purportedly hold to some form of Christian doctrine. In fact, I do believe that the majority, or at least the majority-in-power, hold to a Protestant offshoot of one form or another, which carries with it centuries of anti-Catholic teachings.

Also in the Western world, primarily Usa and England, there seems to be an over-abundance of Catholic molestation cases being reported upon by mass media.


Hrm.... anti-Catholic sentiments? Biased reports from news sources that, ultimately, are owned by about five different people/groups? naaaah, that's crazy-talk :)


Not that defending the Catholics in any way, shape, or form makes me feel warm and tingly... but between Catholicism and ignorance, I'll side with what I consider the lesser evil, in the hopes that such may also help with the other ;)


As to what is/is not a Christian, let us remember that the term Christian applies to a plethora of differing beliefs, some of which are occassionally contradictory... for instance, not all Christians believe Yeshu was Jehovah. Some actually believe that Yeshu was merely the son of Jehovah, and some even believe, while holding to each and every thing that Yeshu himself is credibly attributed with saying, that he was a man. Likewise, some portions of Catholicism, seeing their own Church as the first, refer to all subsequent denomenations as "Christians" to differentiate the, erm... "corrupted" beliefs. And, of course, some Christian sects wholly consider Catholics to be vile demonspawn of the Dread Lord Ba'al, attempting to take over the world so that he can rule from the seven crowns around the Vatican.

My, but it's amazing what you can learn about a religion when you spend a decade and a half arguing against both it and the majority of its adherents... I'll never forget the argument that sprung up when someone attempted to convince me that without the Bible (which Adam, Eve, Jehovah, Noah, Moses, David, Solomon, Yeshu, Mary, Yosef, etc. did not have), there was no such thing as morals.... one had to have the Bible to have morals, elsewise they were a godless sinner who had no idea what fiery torments were awaiting them....
He couldn't understand why I disagreed with him, for some strange reason.




One other possible reason that Catholic molestation pops up so frequently in the media is that, indeed, these are men of supposed strong moral fibre. These men, so we are taught from childhood, are greater than us mere commonfolk, morally speaking. Indeed, up until just a few centuries ago, as I recall, Catholic priests were oft considered picked by God Himself.... there was an aura of mystery and virtuousness surrounding them.... And that's a hell of a thing to see betrayed, don't you think? To suddenly realise that this being, this figure of morality and ethics, this entity to whom you are told to go when you have a crisis of faith or temptation, cannot find help for himself? From this perspective, I'm not at all surprised that these cases have acquired so much coverage in the past. Indeed, I'd be shocked at the psychological state of Usa if they hadn't.

One other possible reason that Catholic molestation pops up so frequently in the media is that, indeed, these are men of supposed strong moral fibre. These men, so we are taught from childhood, are greater than us mere commonfolk, morally speaking. Indeed, up until just a few centuries ago, as I recall, Catholic priests were oft considered picked by God Himself.... there was an aura of mystery and virtuousness surrounding them.... And that's a hell of a thing to see betrayed, don't you think? To suddenly realise that this being, this figure of morality and ethics, this entity to whom you are told to go when you have a crisis of faith or temptation, cannot find help for himself? From this perspective, I'm not at all surprised that these cases have acquired so much coverage in the past. Indeed, I'd be shocked at the psychological state of Usa if they hadn't. I'd say that's why - along with the fact that the media easily exploits anti-Catholic sentiment for its own gain. And anti-Catholic sentiment does exist. Lewes bonfire, anyone?

Whatever. I still trust the priests I know.

nope if outs added after this it is not part of bible says it in the end of revelation somewhere.

Define "this" in this context. There have been quite a lot of distinct versions of the Bible. Many different versions are still in common use. Which edition is "this"?

Further, to avoid posting twice, I'd like to note that my dictionary defines "Christian" as "one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ." There is no way, using this definition, to argue that any denomination of Christianity is inherently any less Christian than the others. 'Kay?

A half-decent explanation for all this: Since the priesthood requires celibacy, people who are attracted to children join the priesthood since the only sex they want is considered forbidden by society. They believe that they can dedicate themselves to the priesthood and no longer have much of a desire to have sex with children. Needless to say, it doesn't always work. Aside from that, they have access to altar boys and they have the community's respect because they are priests...or they did until this whole scandal broke out.

I must point out that not every priest is a sex offender or a child abuser. I must also say that the majority of child sex offences happen from married men. Men do not join the priesthood to run away from their lives. To be a priest is a big decision, and not just on the whole 'celibacy' issue. Part of the formation in priesthood is to come to terms with their sexuallity, and to quote a great teacher (who happens to be a priest) you shouldnt be one of Gods frozen people. A priest does not suddenly 'no longer have much of a desire to have sex...' because priests are still sexual beings, called to be celibate. as for the peodophilia, there has been a small minority of priests who have broken the laws, but might i remind people that there are a lot of 'ordinary' lay people who have also broken the law. As for priests having 'access to alter boys' thats complete nonsence, what are you expecting them to do with the alter servers (i must add that most parishes that you go into, there are girls on the alter now, and have been for 12 years or so). Just because of a few rotten apples within the church, everyone else is tarred with the same brush.

Its not Christians, its Catholics there is is a difference. Catholics use ritualized services and belive that mary was a holy person because she was a virgin when Jesus was born. Christians belive that mary was just a girl who God choose to use to bring his son Jesus into life on Earth.

Christian pastors and preists are allowed to get married and therefor don't have the lust for young children when they can just go home and spend some quaillity time with the wife.:fluffle:


I must point out that the anglican church AND the Catholic Church have been working together to produce a joint statement on their belif in Mary and her position in Gods divine revelation. Also what you are saying is that Catholics who abuse children are only doing it beacuse of the doctrine of Mary that the Catholic faith holds true to this day.

I refuse to believe that statement. Not all Catholics are Christian, and neither are all Pentecostals, Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Mennonites, Amish, [Anabaptists in general], Seventh-Day Adventists, etc...

All Catholics ARE Christian.the fact that other Christians are not Catholic is true. BUTto ba a Catholic means that you accept Christ, and when you accept Christ, you become his disciple. His disciples are called ...thats right: Christians.

I must point out that not every priest is a sex offender or a child abuser. I must also say that the majority of child sex offences happen from married men. Men do not join the priesthood to run away from their lives. To be a priest is a big decision, and not just on the whole 'celibacy' issue. Part of the formation in priesthood is to come to terms with their sexuallity, and to quote a great teacher (who happens to be a priest) you shouldnt be one of Gods frozen people. A priest does not suddenly 'no longer have much of a desire to have sex...' because priests are still sexual beings, called to be celibate. as for the peodophilia, there has been a small minority of priests who have broken the laws, but might i remind people that there are a lot of 'ordinary' lay people who have also broken the law. As for priests having 'access to alter boys' thats complete nonsence, what are you expecting them to do with the alter servers (i must add that most parishes that you go into, there are girls on the alter now, and have been for 12 years or so). Just because of a few rotten apples within the church, everyone else is tarred with the same brush.
Thoes of us that have been abused know that BUT what makes us more mad then just the acts themselfs
Is the way the church tried to cover it up and ended up making it worse

The priest that molested me was found by the church in the 70's to have molested children
The shuffled him around in the priesthood untill they ended up puting him incharge of a parish WITH A FUCKING ELEMENTRY school in his charge

Needless to say they enabled him to molest me and three of my friends in the 90's

THEN they tried to cover it up again!

Have you ever had a bishop tell you that you are going to hell for telling your parents that your priest touched you? no well I have.

Perhaps another reason why the media focuses on priests molesting boys, as opposed to rabbis or imams.

US is something like 95% Christian. Judaism makes up what, 2%? Islam, probably <1%. Assuming the clergy>non-clergy ratio is about the same for all three religions, there are a LOT more priests out there than rabbis. So more priests will abuse boys because there are more priests!

On "thieves and slanderers" I don't know about thieves, but the Talmud states that slanderers lose their portion in the World to Come.

Oh, and I have seen the media expose a rabbi as a paedophile (actually, they caught a paedophile, and found out he was a rabbi).

And to clarify Erisarina's post, "Yeshu" is "Jesus" in Hebrew. "Yosef" is Joseph.

That's because it's politically incorrect for the media to report paedophilia in other faiths
Bullshit do you think that the media in the US would hesitate reporting on infractions like this in the islam world?

All Catholics ARE Christian.the fact that other Christians are not Catholic is true. BUTto ba a Catholic means that you accept Christ, and when you accept Christ, you become his disciple. His disciples are called ...thats right: Christians.

Hmpf. Then why did the Christians freak out when JFK was running for President?

Bullshit do you think that the media in the US would hesitate reporting on infractions like this in the islam world?

I think he is making an evil liberal leftist communist media reference. ;)

Hmpf. Then why did the Christians freak out when JFK was running for President? Because the Pope was going to take over the US, possibly using an evil Jewish/Communist plot.

Its not Christians, its Catholics there is is a difference. Catholics use ritualized services and belive that mary was a holy person because she was a virgin when Jesus was born. Christians belive that mary was just a girl who God choose to use to bring his son Jesus into life on Earth.

Christian pastors and preists are allowed to get married and therefor don't have the lust for young children when they can just go home and spend some quaillity time with the wife.:fluffle:


I am sick and tired of self-riteous fundies and their claims that Catholics are not Christians. Your smug little comment had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Is what the Church has been doing (or rather not doing) in connection with the sex abuse scandal wrong? Yes. I do not in any way condone what some priests have done, and I feel that more should be done to punish offenders. Their behavior is not acceptable. But either prove that your church is perfect and irrefutably right in all its beliefs, or learn to be more respectful.

And learn the difference between debate and hijacking a thread.

I think he is making an evil liberal leftist communist media reference. ;)
agreed :p

What I don't understand is how celibacy can possibly lead to paedophilia. You don't suddenly become attracted to children just because you're celibate.

I suppose they are the easiest targets

What I don't understand is how celibacy can possibly lead to paedophilia. You don't suddenly become attracted to children just because you're celibate.
True, but maybe it is not celabacy that creats pediophillia

Maybe it atracts thoes that know they may never act out on their feelings anyway so they might as well accept their vow of celabacy and do something they find to also be rewarding.

Thoes of us that have been abused know that BUT what makes us more mad then just the acts themselfs
Is the way the church tried to cover it up and ended up making it worse

The priest that molested me was found by the church in the 70's to have molested children
The shuffled him around in the priesthood untill they ended up puting him incharge of a parish WITH A FUCKING ELEMENTRY school in his charge

Needless to say they enabled him to molest me and three of my friends in the 90's

THEN they tried to cover it up again!

Have you ever had a bishop tell you that you are going to hell for telling your parents that your priest touched you? no well I have.
i will never understand why those bishops and cardinals arent in prison for aiding and abetting a felon and ... complicity after the fact (whatever that is really called)

bad things happen. with any large organization its all but inevitable. but to compound the crime by covering it up, keeping the victims from going to the police and moving the perpetrators to new parishes where people have no idea that he is a pedophile is just wrong. and surely criminal.

its this kind of bullshit that is costing the church hundreds of millions of dollars. every dollar of it justified.

i will never understand why those bishops and cardinals arent in prison for aiding and abetting a felon and ... complicity after the fact (whatever that is really called)

bad things happen. with any large organization its all but inevitable. but to compound the crime by covering it up, keeping the victims from going to the police and moving the perpetrators to new parishes where people have no idea that he is a pedophile is just wrong. and surely criminal.

its this kind of bullshit that is costing the church hundreds of millions of dollars. every dollar of it justified.
Yeah i have come to terms with what my priest did ... but the coverup is much harder to jusify

I am not saying the church is evil ...

Rather that it is specialy hard to trust my faith to an organization
Specialy one where so much of the justification and reasoning is faith or belief
It seems like a recipy for potential desaster

Religion can be a massivly usefull uniting tool ... but it is a tool... and can be used for good and bad
On the large or small scale

Not so. Xtianity is actually the thrid largest religion globally. Islam and Buddism are the top 2 as far as numbers go.

With regards to Catholics they make up just 27% of the xtian pop. in the USA.
What source is this? You may want to check your facts. The Encyclopedia Britannica and sites like wikipedia list Christianity as the largest religion at about 2.1 billion, followed by Islam at 1.3 billion. Buddhism doesn't even register in the top 5, with 394 million. Catholicism has a population of 1.1 billion alone, making up over half of christianity.

God gets off on it. He's wanking right now. I can see him.

God gets off on it. He's wanking right now. I can see him. I am NOT wanking right now!:mad: