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Anyone else find todays vote on withdrawl amusing? First when I heard about it I thought "What the hell?!". Then after finding out the who's and what's I think it is amusing. The Republicans opened up a can of "shut the hell up" on the Democrats. After years of boring politics on Cspan it is finally starting to get interesting. So what do you think our US congress can do next?


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/18/congress.iraq.ap/index.html

The Republican stronghold is breaking. The Senate voted on a resolution a few days ago for President Bush to state a position on the war- bipartisan too. The president is rapidly losing support. Two Democratic governors were elected (the Republicans even had the help of the President). The American public is tired of the Iraqi war; they want a plan. And Republicans, like House Majority Leader Hastert, are calling those who oppose a "stay as long as it takes" plan unpatriotic and cowardly. And on top of that, mid-term elections are just a year away. No doubt Democrats will gain some seats.

The Republican stronghold is breaking. The Senate voted on a resolution a few days ago for President Bush to state a position on the war- bipartisan too. The president is rapidly losing support. Two Democratic governors were elected (the Republicans even had the help of the President). The American public is tired of the Iraqi war; they want a plan. And Republicans, like House Majority Leader Hastert, are calling those who oppose a "stay as long as it takes" plan unpatriotic and cowardly. And on top of that, mid-term elections are just a year away. No doubt Democrats will gain some seats.

There is division in the Republican ranks mostly due to the immigration issue. Also the national debt issues. The two Democratic governers elected were replacing Democratic governers. There is no net gain for the Democrats. Hardly a victory for them.

I truly think the Democrats will get there ass handed to them in the mid-terms. They need a real vision for America. They better think of it quick. If I were an advisor for the Democrats I would suggest a Republican style plan of the mid 90's. A Democratic contract for America.

There is division in the Republican ranks mostly due to the immigration issue. Also the national debt issues. The two Democratic governers elected were replacing Democratic governers. There is no net gain for the Democrats. Hardly a victory for them.

I truly think the Democrats will get there ass handed to them in the mid-terms. They need a real vision for America. They better think of it quick. If I were an advisor for the Democrats I would suggest a Republican style plan of the mid 90's. A Democratic contract for America.

Governor races are quite easy to seperate from Congressionsal and Presidential Elections. My point was that the Republican Party is clearly doing a poor job, especially with President Bush's help(http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20051110-124747-9193r.htm).

And for the elections in '06, take a look at these polls (http://www.pollingreport.com/2006.htm) It's clear the Democrats will have quite a few victories. This is because the American public doesn't approve of the way Congress is behaving. Bush is driving the Republican Party into a wall (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10013594/site/newsweek/)

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There is division in the Republican ranks mostly due to the immigration issue. Also the national debt issues. The two Democratic governers elected were replacing Democratic governers. There is no net gain for the Democrats. Hardly a victory for them.


Immigration is a thorny issue. And goes far deeper that just "they took our jobs."

I have actually worked with both the much vaunted US union labor in the construction industry and with illegal immigrants. Frankly, give me a mexican any day. (It's just a pity that we can't get them the quals for things like electrician and plumber). Uniformly I have found them to be far more cheerful and friendly. Also, every request by management is not treated like a fucking battle. Oh yeah, and they don't look at the job site as a place to socialize/order out for deli food/generally vandalize.

I also know several people in the restaurant trade who say pretty much the same thing. (I even know someone who runs a very sucessful chinese restaurant with mexican prep cooks &c. Everyone is fooled and talks about how "authentic" the food is. Only the head cook and the waiter are chinese).

Let's face it, if we stopped illegal immigration, the economy would collapse. A burger would be fifteen dollars, you couldn't get one after five p.m. and would taste like shit. (I exagerate, but not much).

Governor races are quite easy to seperate from Congressionsal and Presidential Elections. My point was that the Republican Party is clearly doing a poor job, especially with President Bush's help(http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20051110-124747-9193r.htm).

And for the elections in '06, take a look at these polls (http://www.pollingreport.com/2006.htm) It's clear the Democrats will have quite a few victories. This is because the American public doesn't approve of the way Congress is behaving. Bush is driving the Republican Party into a wall (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10013594/site/newsweek/)

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I think the bigger issue is now the change of opinion by Americans in regards to the US foreign policy, there has been a dramatic shift back to isolation - personally, I'd say thats a pretty strong word; pre-Cold war foreign policy would be a better description.

I think US people are finally realising that they can't have it both ways, they can't have an active foreign policy that f*cks around with the internals of foreign governments without expecting some people dying, either in the form of insurgents in Iraq or terrorist attacks.

Immigration is a thorny issue. And goes far deeper that just "they took our jobs."



I also know several people in the restaurant trade who say pretty much the same thing. (I even know someone who runs a very sucessful chinese restaurant with mexican prep cooks &c. Everyone is fooled and talks about how "authentic" the food is. Only the head cook and the waiter are chinese).

Let's face it, if we stopped illegal immigration, the economy would collapse. A burger would be fifteen dollars, you couldn't get one after five p.m. and would taste like shit. (I exagerate, but not much).


I am in the restaurant bar industry also. I own one bar and half owner of another. The manager I have hired for to run both of them is a Mexican national. He works very hard and Im grateful for it. Although he does check out with his paperwork. I have no problem with people here legally. Its the undocumented ones that I worry about. The criminals and the suspected terrorist that cross over with the regular hard working Mexicans on the border.

All politics is a circus. Bring back totalitarianism

To tell the truth, I'd don't think the Republicans ever had a stronghold/strangehold...it just seemed that way because most of the members of Congress voted "yes" on going to war in Iraq. Now that things are a little messy, everyones claiming that 1) we should never have gone there in the first place, or 2) they could run the war much better than the Pentagon and the current president. This happens in most wars that democracies fight (and all in all this is a good thing, keeps the debate going and reveals our mistakes). Now I'm not in the military, and I haven't lost anyone I know to the war in Iraq, but seeing Iraqis voting in democratic elections (something that most western nations take for granted) makes me think we must be doing something right.

On the other hand, just because I support the war in Iraq, that doesn't mean I agree with many of the other stances that Bush takes in politics. Personally, I'm pro-choice and for stem cell research, and I think that intelligent design shouldn't be taught in science classes. That aside, it's not hard to imagine that other people behave the same way. The war in Iraq is not the only divisive issue in American politics today.

And for the elections in '06, take a look at these polls (http://www.pollingreport.com/2006.htm) It's clear the Democrats will have quite a few victories. This is because the American public doesn't approve of the way Congress is behaving. Bush is driving the Republican Party into a wall (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10013594/site/newsweek/)

It honestly doesn't look much better for the Democrats; even back in the late 90's when the Republicans controlled Congress and there was a very popular Democratic president, the poll numbers were the same with slightly more supporting a Democratic Congress rather than a Republican one. The Democrats can barely get above 50% in any of them, and there are huge numbers of undecided voters.

If the Democrats keep whining (like they have been for the past year) but offer nothing in return (like they have for the past year), they'll at most gain a couple seats due to the slight advantage they have overall.

If they turn around and start offering something powerful and comprehensive like the Republicans did in 1994, they'll win seats. Otherwise, it will be at best a few gained seats for the Democrats but nowhere near enough to shift the balance.

"You guys are pathetic! Pathetic!" yelled Rep. Marty Meehan, D-Massachusetts.

Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, told of a phone call she received from a Marine colonel.

"He asked me to send Congress a message -- stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message -- that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," Schmidt said. Murtha is a 37-year Marine veteran.

"You're pathetic!"

"You're a coward!"

"You smell!"

"You're hairy!"

"Your mother's hairy!"

This is a sign that Congress and the House of Representatives need the skills of the NS Moderating Team.

"You're pathetic!"

"You're a coward!"

"You smell!"

"You're hairy!"

"Your mother's hairy!"

This is a sign that Congress and the House of Representatives need the skills of the NS Moderating Team.
I'd pay money to see that dialogue enfold in the holy halls of Congress.

I'd pay money to see that dialogue enfold in the holy halls of Congress.

I sense many couple day forum bans. Take that US congressmen/senators, without your nationstates fix surely you will fall into a despair like none other!