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http://blacklight-ninja.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-well-become-dictatorship.html

Thoughts?

Weird.

"Hey, giving people too much freedom will lead to Dictatorship. Let's not give it to them."

>_>;

Oh, it's possible alright...but I never really liked leftist statism anyways (yay libertarians!)

Weird.

"Hey, giving people too much freedom will lead to Dictatorship. Let's not give it to them."

>_>;

Handouts aren't freedom.

http://blacklight-ninja.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-well-become-dictatorship.html

Thoughts?
The government did almost nothing for 6 days after Hurricane Katrina and you call that helping them? President Bush was out golfing the day Katrina hit. I'm not democratic, I'm socialist. I hate America and what it has become. A steaming pile of corrupted sh*t and President Bush is the prime example. Taking away funding for almost every program imaginable, trying to privative Social Security, lying to the American public for the Iraq war. I wish Bush had a heart attack and then Cheney blew his face off with a shotgun. Cheney would do such a worse job, if that's possible. I plan on moving out of the USA and moving to a socialist country and then watch America slowly crumble into nothing. Makes me sick when I think about it.

They're closed minded and wrong.
But if you have too open a mind, your brain might fall out!

The government did almost nothing for 6 days after Hurricane Katrina and you call that helping them? President Bush was out golfing the day Katrina hit. I'm not democratic, I'm socialist. I hate America and what it has become. A steaming pile of corrupted sh*t and President Bush is the prime example. Taking away funding for almost every program imaginable, trying to privative Social Security, lying to the American public for the Iraq war. I wish Bush had a heart attack and then Cheney blew his face off with a shotgun. Cheney would do such a worse job, if that's possible. I plan on moving out of the USA and moving to a socialist country and then watch America slowly crumble into nothing. Makes me sick when I think about it.

I see. And if the government help programs, which have no checks and balances like the rest of the government, are used to levy power as described on the webpage, what then? I personally think the government should have just donated, like everyone else, to the red cross, since that way the efforts remain checked. Privatized charity, forever!

Suddenly voters are only voting self serving idiot's people into congress
Some one might want to clue this guy into the fact this has been going on for decades.

he gets whatever laws and amendments he wants passed in a week. Amendments are added and repealed from the constitution eliminating democracy,
Because Ammendments don't have to get agreed upon by two thirds of both houses of Congress and two thirds of the legislatures of every state or any other sort of thing like that that would prevent them from taking a week or less.

I'm usually not so partisan...but this sounds alot like turnaround to me.

"We can't help those who've been suffering at the hands of nature because it will lead to a police state! By pushing government aid to hurricane victims, the liberals are supporting their aim for Worldwide Proletariat Supremacy. You don't want to be like those filthy Communists do you..."

"While we're on the subject...The Patriot Act is the fault of liberals too...They created it so they could deface us by saying WE created it and then have it abolished and then the terrorists will run wild! Redundant? OF COURSE! That's their whole plan!"

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Suddenly voters are only voting self serving idiot's people into congress

Some one might want to clue this guy into the fact this has been going on for decades.

With whom? Look, I've met George W. Bush in person; he's not as dumb as the media makes him seem, and he is definately not self serving, or he'd have done exactly what's described in the webpage a heck of a lot longer ago. Someone with a Yale degree can't have missed that repeated tactic for world domination.

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he gets whatever laws and amendments he wants passed in a week. Amendments are added and repealed from the constitution eliminating democracy,

Because Ammendments don't have to get agreed upon by two thirds of both houses of Congress and two thirds of the legislatures of every state or any other sort of thing like that that would prevent them from taking a week or less.

Trust me, if these politicians had lives immediately at stake on their actions, stuff would happen pretty fast.

I see. And if the government help programs, which have no checks and balances like the rest of the government, are used to levy power as described on the webpage, what then? I personally think the government should have just donated, like everyone else, to the red cross, since that way the efforts remain checked. Privatized charity, forever!
The government controls what happens to the people. They make the laws and should HELP THEM when they are in danger. Not just let em rot in sewage water. I was digusted when that happened, as was 60%+ of America was.

Oh and how does it feel that a majority of Americans want out of Iraq? The republicans are destroying themselves all thanks to President Bush. The indictments, the lying, everything Bush has ever done and will ever do will only hurt Republicans. It's sad really. Yet also very funny. I wish John Kerry was elected even though he was the more boring than anyone I had ever seen ever.
He would've actually done something. Did I mention I hate Bush?

The government controls what happens to the people. They make the laws and should HELP THEM when they are in danger. Not just let em rot in sewage water. I was digusted when that happened, as was 60%+ of America was.

Oh and how does it feel that a majority of Americans want out of Iraq? The republicans are destroying themselves all thanks to President Bush. The indictments, the lying, everything Bush has ever done and will ever do will only hurt Republicans. It's sad really. Yet also very funny. I wish John Kerry was elected even though he was the more boring than anyone I had ever seen ever.
He would've actually done something. Did I mention I hate Bush?

You are way too trusting of the government. Power corrupts, and we need a small government so that, in the case of total corruption, it can be overthrown. Large government leads to dictatorship, savy?

The republicans are destroying themselves all thanks to President Bush.
Good, so then the libertarians will rise out of the republicrat ashes

Good, so then the libertarians will rise out of the republicrat ashes

Well, I'm still hoping for a revival of nonauthoritarian socialisms, too.

I'm usually not so partisan...but this sounds alot like turnaround to me.

"We can't help those who've been suffering at the hands of nature because it will lead to a police state! By pushing government aid to hurricane victims, the liberals are supporting their aim for Worldwide Proletariat Supremacy. You don't want to be like those filthy Communists do you..."

I believe there was also a refrence to Nazis.

Trust me, if these politicians had lives immediately at stake on their actions, stuff would happen pretty fast.
I don't think you understand having to have two thirds of each house of Congress agree, not the House or the Senate - both, and two thirds of the Legislatures in the states vote to agree.

With whom? Look, I've met George W. Bush in person; he's not as dumb as the media makes him seem, and he is definately not self serving, or he'd have done exactly what's described in the webpage a heck of a lot longer ago. Someone with a Yale degree can't have missed that repeated tactic for world domination.
The current president is not the only politician existing within the entire united states. And they can if the Yale degree is handed to them on a silver platter for having a silver-magnet silver spoon in their mouth.

I don't think you understand having to have two thirds of each house of Congress agree, not the House or the Senate - both, and two thirds of the Legislatures in the states vote to agree.
I don't think you understand just how desperate people get if someone's ready to kill them (and even if the senators and representatives themselves aren't affected by the denied handouts, the chaos that results from them will certainly affect them). I understand U.S. government better than you give me credit for.

The current president is not the only politician existing within the entire united states. And they can if the Yale degree is handed to them on a silver platter for having a silver-magnet silver spoon in their mouth.

First, Yale is an excellent school, and you're going to learn a lot attending it, even if you bought your way in.
Second, I realize there are more politicians than Bush. However, if you'd use those wonderful reading comprehension skills they teach you in the first grade, you'd realize that we're talking about one self serving idiot gaining power, not a freaking legion!

Well, I'm still hoping for a revival of nonauthoritarian socialisms, too.
Methinks we're talking about different libertarian philosophies...(sorry but I still can't help feeling libertarian socialism is oxymoronic)

Well if something like that was about to happen then there would be an impeachment wouldn't there?

Methinks we're talking about different libertarian philosophies...(sorry but I still can't help feeling libertarian socialism is oxymoronic)

Well, the term "libertarian" is used in two different contradictory ways.

Well if something like that was about to happen then there would be an impeachment wouldn't there?

I admit, you would need someone with a tactical mind to pull this off, but trust me, it could be done. I'm not revealing more of how to do it in case future dictator is reading this thread.

And while we're at it, let's get another debate going at the same time over another of this website's articles.

http://blacklight-ninja.blogspot.com/2005/10/creationism-in-schools-like-i-give.html

As before, discuss.

The government did almost nothing for 6 days after Hurricane Katrina and you call that helping them? President Bush was out golfing the day Katrina hit. I'm not democratic, I'm socialist. I hate America and what it has become. A steaming pile of corrupted sh*t and President Bush is the prime example. Taking away funding for almost every program imaginable, trying to privative Social Security, lying to the American public for the Iraq war. I wish Bush had a heart attack and then Cheney blew his face off with a shotgun. Cheney would do such a worse job, if that's possible. I plan on moving out of the USA and moving to a socialist country and then watch America slowly crumble into nothing. Makes me sick when I think about it.


What pisses me off are people who would rather bail out to find some non-existant utopia... instead of getting off their sorry butts to push for change.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Thoughts?
I'm all for the U.S. becoming a dictatorship























































the only catch is, that I must be the dictator :D

Weird.

"Hey, giving people too much freedom will lead to Dictatorship. Let's not give it to them."

>_>;

Exactly.


Funny, I thought with a dictatorship, the people never had, or never will have, freedom. I never knew that freedom is opression.


Is this serious, or is it Michael Moore?

What pisses me off are people who would rather bail out to find some non-existant utopia... instead of getting off their sorry butts to push for change.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Alright I'll try not to have that happen. Thank "God" for the Netherlands! W00t.

"That's how Hitler did it"


Hitler did it by exploiting the burning of the Reichstag building to get the people of Germany extremely scared and submissive, and basically get Germany one step away from a full dictatorship by taking away all their rights to "protect" them and give the government ridiculous amounts of control.

That is, unless every source I've ever heard on the subject was wrong.

Hitler didn't seem to give many rights to his people, or make them need the government.

The whole point of a liberal government is give them their rights and freedoms and let them be on their way. The whole liberal movement in the US started in the late 1800s when the first civil rights movements arose.

The US as a truly Conservative Republic was a really scary place, in my opinion. The KKK owned the South and the Executive Branch, non-whites were treated like dogs, even in the North, women were treated like dogs, un-skilled workers were treated like slaves, and Unions had no chance to help workers at all because of how rich the corperate bosses were. If you wanna barf a little, read about sausage production in Packingtown, or the conditions of Tenement houses.

I doubt a Conservative America would really be as good as you might think. No matter what party you say you belong to, many of your ideals are quite possibly liberal, ie, free public education, racial equality, social security, ethical care of the disabled and elderly, those are all liberal ideals.

Sorry for the mild history rant
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Actually, it's used in three ways, you can be a metaphysical libertarian but neither a US-style libertarian nor a libertarian socialist, for example.

I doubt a Conservative America would really be as good as you might think. No matter what party you say you belong to, many of your ideals are quite possibly liberal, ie, free public education, racial equality, social security, ethical care of the disabled and elderly, those are all liberal ideals.

Good point. Many conservatives don't realize just how much they are influenced by leftist ideals, even if they don't admit it.

Hitler did it by exploiting the burning of the Reichstag building to get the people of Germany extremely scared and submissive, and basically get Germany one step away from a full dictatorship by taking away all their rights to "protect" them and give the government ridiculous amounts of control.


Yeah, there is a little bit more to it than that. The communists, the failure of the popular front, in-fighting on the centre-left and the stupidity of industrialists are really more to blame for Hitler's rise. They were all fools and he played them for it.

I don't think you understand just how desperate people get if someone's ready to kill them (and even if the senators and representatives themselves aren't affected by the denied handouts, the chaos that results from them will certainly affect them). I understand U.S. government better than you give me credit for.
I think you are a few fries short of a Happy Meal and reading what you are posting, I doubt you understand any government, anywhere.

"That's how Hitler did it"


Hitler did it by exploiting the burning of the Reichstag building to get the people of Germany extremely scared and submissive, and basically get Germany one step away from a full dictatorship by taking away all their rights to "protect" them and give the government ridiculous amounts of control.

That is, unless every source I've ever heard on the subject was wrong.

Your described situation -
German people: wtf r reichstag building is teh burning lol!

Hitler: rawr, i r cauz it! obey me!

German people: ok.

I'm afraid Hitler's rise to power was much more in depth than one event. He could not have caused the Reichstag burning until he had already reached a certain point of power. See, if Germany hadn't been an economic slum after WWI, he couldn't have gotten elected, unless every history class I've been to since kindergarten lied to me. Now what, praytell, would that entail about how he got to power? Could it be, manipulation of economic programs? Most likely.

Hitler didn't seem to give many rights to his people, or make them need the government.

The whole point of a liberal government is give them their rights and freedoms and let them be on their way. The whole liberal movement in the US started in the late 1800s when the first civil rights movements arose.

The US as a truly Conservative Republic was a really scary place, in my opinion. The KKK owned the South and the Executive Branch, non-whites were treated like dogs, even in the North, women were treated like dogs, un-skilled workers were treated like slaves, and Unions had no chance to help workers at all because of how rich the corperate bosses were. If you wanna barf a little, read about sausage production in Packingtown, or the conditions of Tenement houses.

I doubt a Conservative America would really be as good as you might think. No matter what party you say you belong to, many of your ideals are quite possibly liberal, ie, free public education, racial equality, social security, ethical care of the disabled and elderly, those are all liberal ideals.

Sorry for the mild history rant
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To answer this, I turn to Dictionary.com:

Liberal: Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Coservative: Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

Now, looking at those definitions, one would naturally assume that one who is conservative would be in favor of things passed in the 1800s, whereas liberals, by definition, would be in favor of some sort of reform on those areas. My political beliefs are a mixture of the two. For example, I am glad racial equality was achieved, but believe that political corectness has ruined that equality, giving minorities social power over the majority.
A conservative America, by definition, is the one intended by the founding fathers who drafted the constitution. I believe in their dream, therefore, I am a conservative, political party withstanding.