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Republicans seek vote on Iraq withdrawal proposal.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Republicans sought a showdown Friday with Democrats on a proposal by one of their most senior members to force an end to the U.S. deployment of troops in Iraq.

Rep. John Murtha, D-Pennsylvania, offered the resolution demanding a pullout. The GOP-run House was expected to reject it -- and make a prominent statement about where Congress stands on Iraq -- as the chamber scurried toward a Thanksgiving break.

"We'll let the members debate it and then let them vote on it," said Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Missouri, the acting majority leader.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's office had no immediate comment.

Murtha, a well-respected Vietnam veteran who voted for the Iraq war, called for the immediate withdrawal of troops Thursday, intensifying the already red-hot debate on Capitol Hill over President Bush's war policies.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/18/congress.iraq.ap/index.html

Untill Iraq is stable we can't leave. Why don't they see this? Leaving Iraq now will create a failed state where terrorists can organize and train, like Afghanistan after the Soviets left. It will raise the odds of a major terrorist attack in the US tremendously. Fuck, I hate politicians. They can't seem to see beyond the next election.

Leaving Iraq now will create a failed state .....-snip-

It will raise the odds of a major terrorist attack in the US tremendously. Rigth:rolleyes: ...just like leaving Vietnam created Chaos...and raised the odds of a major terrorist attack in the US tremendously.

:gundge: :rolleyes:

Rigth:rolleyes: ...just like leaving Vietnam created Chaos...and raised the odds of a major terrorist attack in the US tremendously.

:gundge: :rolleyes:
Apples to oranges. Vietnam didn't have an al quaeda presence. Afghanistan and Iraq do. Also Vietnam had a strong, stable government in the North to keep order and prevent the nation from devolving into chaos from warlords fighting each other.

Apples to oranges. Vietnam didn't have an al quaeda presence. Afghanistan and Iraq do. Should we bomb all coutries that have "an AlQuaeda presence" ???

That CNN story has it wrong--the resolution currently before the House is not the same one that Murtha put forward yesterday. See my thread titled "Against the Republican House of Representatives" for clarification.

That CNN story has it wrong--the resolution currently before the House is not the same one that Murtha put forward yesterday. See my thread titled "Against the Republican House of Representatives" for clarification.
humm...you may be rite....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454758

Untill Iraq is stable we can't leave. Why don't they see this? Leaving Iraq now will create a failed state where terrorists can organize and train, like Afghanistan after the Soviets left. It will raise the odds of a major terrorist attack in the US tremendously. Fuck, I hate politicians. They can't seem to see beyond the next election.

I can't prove it of course but what we are seeing here is nothing but a dog and pony show with members on both sides wanting some kind of credit for their return. What most do not realize (or maybe they do) is that it the first troops being rotated back without replacements started arriving back at Ft Bragg a couple of weeks ago and over a month early. They have to remain on Fort Bragg and my friends wife said that she can not even tell his parents yet that he is back and she wouldn't say much more for fear she'd said too much.

I can't prove it of course but what we are seeing here is nothing but a dog and pony show with members on both sides wanting some kind of credit for their return. What most do not realize (or maybe they do) is that it the first troops being rotated back without replacements started arriving back at Ft Bragg a couple of weeks ago and over a month early. They have to remain on Fort Bragg and my friends wife said that she can not even tell his parents yet that he is back and she wouldn't say much more for fear she'd said too much.Interesting...

So the withdrawal has already started...

Interesting...

So the withdrawal has already started...

Well, the vote on the rule to bring the Fake Hunter Resolution to the floor for a vote passed 210-202, but every Democratic representative who voted, voted against the rule, add to that that 5 Republicans joined the Democrats.

The lowest (i.e. typical republican) moment was, of course, an ugly, and uncalled for attack on Rep. Murtha's character by Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH), when she called the decorated war veteran a coward.

The good news is that Republicans Walter Jones and Rick Renzi, along with the Democrats, spoke up for the character and patriotism of Murtha. By the end, the Republicans were denying that the resolution had anything to do with Murtha, wheras before they were labelling it the "Murtha Amendment."

Go figure. A supposedly rigged vote goes wrong, and they try desperatly to find a way to make it look good for them. Say it ain't so!!

Interesting...

So the withdrawal has already started...

Yes it has. The people who went in last to establish long term services. IE Mental Health counslers, non essential medical and legal services along with some administrative and clerical services are filtering back and not to be replaced.
Of course politicians being the creatures that they are want to take advantage of the silence about it and manipulte a way to claim some kind of credit. They probably have been briefed and realize that their time is running out before the media gets the scoop and it becomes a fact, so they need their name on something to prove they were the key to the solution.