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An Idea for the next GTA game [possible spoilers]

Zexaland
18-11-2005, 11:30
Make the main character female.

Seriously.

Think about it.

Reasons for Rockstar to try this idea:
1) It would be a good excuse to get rid of the healing streetwalkers, they're offensive and pointless*.
2) The fat/muscle of the stat system and the clothing system from San Andreas get more appealing and incentive if the character is female.
3) The voice acttress pool for the job would be expansive and promising.
4) The plot would be more open to expaning the GTA world story line if the character were female, because women relationships and motives are usually more complicated as well as allowing the main character to be more connected to the other GTA characters (by, say, making her the daughter, girlfriend or wife of one of the main characters in the past GTA games [CJ, Claude, Tommy Vercetti, etc.]).

Comments? Questions? Suggestions?

*The streetwalkers are more costly, time consuming and offensive then the other health restoration methods, so why have them?
Nadkor
18-11-2005, 11:31
, they're offensive
And there lies the point of the game.
Zexaland
18-11-2005, 11:35
And there lies the point of the game.

Then my proposition will be accepted by Rockstar.:D
Mariehamn
18-11-2005, 11:44
Why don't they make a multiplayer GTA so we can kill some possibly intelligent gangsters or police officers.

*thinks*

Oh, right, the engine it runs on only displays the area your in. And that's waaayyyy to much to render everthing in the entire game.

Mona Sax was cool in Max Payne. Why don't they do it?
Zexaland
18-11-2005, 11:53
Why don't they make a multiplayer GTA so we can kill some possibly intelligent gangsters or police officers.

I think they did that in Liberty City Stories...
Vimeria
18-11-2005, 12:11
I don't know, I just can't imagine a woman excelling in the kind of violent street level crime that's always been the focus the GTA series. Not to mention that in order to be a believable character, whether male or female, she would need to be physically intimidating. Women who are exceptionally large and muscular usually aren't considered that attractive by most people, and I don't think a "butch" would make a very popular main character, no matter how well she was written.
Pure Metal
18-11-2005, 13:01
Why don't they make a multiplayer GTA so we can kill some possibly intelligent gangsters or police officers.

*thinks*

Oh, right, the engine it runs on only displays the area your in. And that's waaayyyy to much to render everthing in the entire game.

its called multi theft auto http://www.multitheftauto.com/


i think the idea to have a woman as the lead character is quite good, but it should be a choice you can make at start up like RPG.
hehe you could have the option of having a sex-change in game though (rockstar style) :p


the thing i think they really ought to have in the next one is the ability to go into all buildings... that would be cool
Legless Pirates
18-11-2005, 13:09
Why don't they make a multiplayer GTA so we can kill some possibly intelligent gangsters or police officers.
I know it's not what you mean, but you can do drive-by shooting with 2 players in GTA San Andreas
Legless Pirates
18-11-2005, 13:11
1) It would be a good excuse to get rid of the healing streetwalkers, they're offensive and pointless*.
What? No man-whores? Gigolos? Bums selling their body to the street?
Dehny
18-11-2005, 13:14
name one good gangster film with a female as the lead

the idea of a female lead is just stupid
Legless Pirates
18-11-2005, 13:15
name one good gangster film with a female as the lead

the idea of a female lead is just stupid
Check the title....it says GAME
Legless Pirates
18-11-2005, 13:18
Anyway.... if they DO make another sequel game:

Lose all the damn stats you have to improve before you can do something properly!
Dehny
18-11-2005, 13:20
Check the title....it says GAME


congrats you can read, however most of the GTA games are LOOSEly based on ideas brought up through the 50 years or so of films before the first games came out

my implied point is, it doesnt work in the cinema so it is highly unlikely to work in a game,

however some people need everything said to them literally ;)
PopularFreedom
18-11-2005, 13:21
GTA Baghdad should be the next game actually


Check this out, you are an Iraqi citizen, you come home just as some suicide bomber is blowing himself up outside a police station which is just beside your place, destroying your house along with the police station and killing a lot of people. You have a number of options, grab the Iraqi police vehicle left idling when the blast happened, grab the US Humvie left idling when the blast happened, beat up the guy with the video cam in his car and steal his car (who happens to be apart of the terrorist group that blew up the police station)

either way you have someone pissed off and trying to get their vehicle back, whether it is a blackhawk chopper that takes off after you or some crazy on a moped you got people trying to take you out as you do everything you can to make yourself enough money so you can control the streets of the city with your own little army...

Just an idea
Legless Pirates
18-11-2005, 13:42
congrats you can read, however most of the GTA games are LOOSEly based on ideas brought up through the 50 years or so of films before the first games came out

my implied point is, it doesnt work in the cinema so it is highly unlikely to work in a game,

however some people need everything said to them literally ;)
:p

And how many times have they tried making a female gangster film?
Mykonians
18-11-2005, 13:49
Make the main character female.

I still prefer my idea for the next GTA game. Which is... just dont.

Think about it.

Games with female lead roles have historically done poorly, with a few exceptions to the rule. The excellent NOLF, for example, suffered because the character you played was female. The prepubescent boys who make up a large percentage of the games market, especially the console games market, don't want to play a female character, presumably because they think they'll catch the lurgy/be called gay. Rockstar would never dream of wrecking their cash cow with something so radical.

1) It would be a good excuse to get rid of the healing streetwalkers, they're offensive and pointless*.

Which they would never remove, for that very reason.

2) The fat/muscle of the stat system and the clothing system from San Andreas get more appealing and incentive if the character is female.

Erm... why, exactly?

3) The voice acttress pool for the job would be expansive and promising.

So is the voice actor pool.

4) The plot would be more open to expaning the GTA world story line if the character were female, because women relationships and motives are usually more complicated as well as allowing the main character to be more connected to the other GTA characters (by, say, making her the daughter, girlfriend or wife of one of the main characters in the past GTA games [CJ, Claude, Tommy Vercetti, etc.]).

GTA's plot was about as deep and complex as a Kleenex. Probably less so. You could expand it with a piece of cheese, a female character won't change that. What they need are some good writers, not different genders. There are plenty of games with very good storylines that have male characters. The gender has nothing to do with it, and won't solve the crappiness.

*The streetwalkers are more costly, time consuming and offensive then the other health restoration methods, so why have them?

I have never seen a better example of somebody answering their own question.

Why do you think Rockstar is making a game called 'Bully'? Do you think it's because they want to be mainstream, or because they want to be controversial and offensive?
Legless Pirates
18-11-2005, 13:54
Dude.... Tomb Raider!
Notmo
18-11-2005, 13:57
Why not have a choice between female and male. Or even a Sims like simulator so you can create your own character, or at least their skin colour, facial stuff and build...
Mykonians
18-11-2005, 13:57
Dude.... Tomb Raider!

... is one of the exceptions to the rule. And I'm sure we all know why THAT worked...
Vimeria
18-11-2005, 14:00
congrats you can read, however most of the GTA games are LOOSEly based on ideas brought up through the 50 years or so of films before the first games came out

And some of them not so loosely. Vice City was basically Scarface with a nicer ending.
Monkeypimp
18-11-2005, 14:04
The exception to the 'all games with a female lead suck' rule: Metroid
Mykonians
18-11-2005, 14:15
The exception to the 'all games with a female lead suck' rule: Metroid

I never said that all games with a female lead suck, just that nobody buys them.
The Eliki
18-11-2005, 14:18
No, no, what GTA needs is a TV crossover. "CSI: Vice City" and "Law and Order: Grand Theft Auto Unit" and the like.
Legless Pirates
18-11-2005, 14:26
No, no, what GTA needs is a TV crossover. "CSI: Vice City" and "Law and Order: Grand Theft Auto Unit" and the like.
OG Loc on MTV!
Rambhutan
18-11-2005, 14:30
I am hoping it will be set in a village in the Yorkshire Dales in the early sixties.
The Abomination
18-11-2005, 14:36
What I'd like to see is the GTA series shifting genre slightly and getting a bit of sci-fi spin. Specifically, cyberpunk. Yet more specifically, '80s cyber punk.

Think of all those eighties future films you could play with. Robo-cop, total recall, you could push it a bit with Demolition Man and of course Blade Runner. Perhaps you wouldn't want to include spaceships (unless you wanted to play around in martian mines with three breasted whores) but the urban decay, rampant cyber crime ('virtual reality' levels?) and above all truly GODAWFUL 'future' fashion would be great fun, if done with such dedicated tongue in cheek humour as Rockstar has always managed to produce.

Basically, I think it would be an excellent opportunity to lampoon all those films, especially if you set it in 2005 with flying cars, gigantic arcologies and privatised policemen. Mix in some post apocalyptic landscapes just for the Mad Max references and you've got yourself some fun!


I am hoping it will be set in a village in the Yorkshire Dales in the early sixties.

Thanks dude. You just made me shoot water all over my cat, keyboard and mouse via my nose and the cat is pissed.

Edit: I had the idea for a perfect movie reference to build in but couldn't think of the film. Now I remember! Escape from New York of course! Who wouldn't want to be Snake Pliskin just once?
Teh_pantless_hero
18-11-2005, 14:40
The entire point of GTA is that you are a thug - not a crime boss, a goodfellow, or gang lord; you are a thug. A female cannot pull off this roll, at all. If GTA was about a random gangster exploiting and manipulating and assassinating their way up the lader, a female would work. Actually I think that is the story of another game but not GTA. In GTA, the entire point is you are an off-the-street thug who goes around carrying out the thuggery to get your way to the top of the list. The game would never work with a female lead.

Cyber punk would also entirely ruin GTA.

The exception to the 'all games with a female lead suck' rule: Metroid
A character stuck in a genderless, robotic, ass-kicking suit.
QuentinTarantino
18-11-2005, 14:47
I don't know, I just can't imagine a woman excelling in the kind of violent street level crime that's always been the focus the GTA series. Not to mention that in order to be a believable character, whether male or female, she would need to be physically intimidating. Women who are exceptionally large and muscular usually aren't considered that attractive by most people, and I don't think a "butch" would make a very popular main character, no matter how well she was written.

Catalina? She was incredibly violent and intimadating
Grampus
18-11-2005, 14:48
The entire point of GTA is that you are a thug - not a crime boss, a goodfellow, or gang lord; you are a thug. A female cannot pull off this roll, at all.

How does not having a John Thomas stop one being a thug?
Teh_pantless_hero
18-11-2005, 14:54
How does not having a John Thomas stop one being a thug?
It doesn't fit into the story line. It is entirely unbelievable that some woman would go around thugging in order to get to the top of the gangster ladder. If you had a Hitman kind of game where some daughter of the former crime boss who was murdered by the current guy goes around manipulating people and taking other people out to get revenge and take over the family, that would be believable.
Kazcaper
18-11-2005, 14:57
I like someone's idea of GTA Baghdad :p I also think GTA Belfast would be class - despite relative peace here, there are still 'punishment beatings', paramiliatary drugs rackets etc. You could have the lead doing jobs for both the republicans and loyalists, then doing a runner to some other city (Dublin? London? Edinburgh?) when each side finds out about his/her betrayal :) I think it would be a screech, but it would probably only be entertaining for people here - sick-minded ones like myself, at that :D
Grampus
18-11-2005, 14:59
It doesn't fit into the story line. It is entirely unbelievable that some woman would go around thugging in order to get to the top of the gangster ladder.

Fuck that sexist shit. The real world does not match your set of complacent and limited assumptions. Does the name Phoolan Devi ring any bells?
Grampus
18-11-2005, 15:00
I like someone's idea of GTA Baghdad :p I also think GTA Belfast would be class - despite relative peace here, there are still 'punishment beatings', paramiliatary drugs rackets etc. You could have the lead doing jobs for both the republicans and loyalists, then doing a runner to some other city (Dublin? London? Edinburgh?) when each side finds out about his/her betrayal :) I think it would be a screech, but it would probably only be entertaining for people here - sick-minded ones like myself, at that :D

http://www.steveferson.com/ferson/steve/jokes/pics/gta_west_belfast.jpg
Kazcaper
18-11-2005, 15:01
*snip*Spectacular. I love it.

Edit: I see that came from steveferson.com - I went to school with him! Small world!
Pure Metal
18-11-2005, 15:08
http://www.steveferson.com/ferson/steve/jokes/pics/gta_west_belfast.jpg
:p
i'll nack ur ballix in :p
Kazcaper
18-11-2005, 15:11
:p
i'll nack ur ballix in :pYe slaubberin'? Gad awayee ta fuk wee laud!

Ah, The Belfast Spide. What an endearing specimen of humanity.

:D
Grampus
18-11-2005, 15:12
Ye slaubberin'? Gad awayee ta fuk wee laud!

Wind yer neck in, ya hallion.
Pure Metal
18-11-2005, 15:16
Ye slaubberin'? Gad awayee ta fuk wee laud!

Ah, The Belfast Spide. What an endearing specimen of humanity.

:D
the chavs round my area are frightfully well spoken in comparison :D

yes, hampshire and surrey chaves, or the chavEs as they prefer to be called... like their maccy d's with just a soupçon of thyme and cinnamon ;)
Zexaland
19-11-2005, 10:33
name one good gangster film with a female as the lead

the idea of a female lead is just stupid

;)
My Wife is a Gangster (http://lotusreaver.com/reviews/index.php?section=my_wife_is_gangster)
My Wife is a Gangster 2 (http://lotusreaver.com/reviews/index.php?section=my_wife_is_gangster_2)
BTW, this is JUST A SUGGESTION, do NOT take it personally...:rolleyes:
Vimeria
20-11-2005, 17:40
Catalina? She was incredibly violent and intimadating

Yeah, but she made up for her physical shortcomings by being a total, completely over the top lunatic. Wouldn't work for a main character I reckon.
Teh_pantless_hero
20-11-2005, 17:57
Fuck that sexist shit. The real world does not match your set of complacent and limited assumptions. Does the name Phoolan Devi ring any bells?
Not in the slightest.
Grampus
21-11-2005, 02:17
Not in the slightest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoolan_Devi
Nadkor
21-11-2005, 02:35
http://www.steveferson.com/ferson/steve/jokes/pics/gta_west_belfast.jpg
That is brilliant.

Don't know why Harland and Wolff's in it...not West Belfast ;)