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Osama bin Laden wants the United States to convert to Islam, ditch its constitution, abolish banks, jail homosexuals and sign the Kyoto climate change treaty.

The first complete collection of the Saudi's statements published today portrays a world in which Islam's enemies will take the first steps towards salvation by embracing the "religion of all the Prophets".

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Alcohol and gambling would be barred and there would be an end to women's photos in newspapers or advertising.

Any woman serving "passengers, visitors and strangers", presumably anyone from air stewardesses to waitresses, would also be out of a job.

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How progressive of him to support Kyoto... or is it just that he knows it will destroy Western Economies? :rolleyes:

It's more disturbing that the words 'climate change' have an ad for BP linked to them.

Well I want him to eviscerate himself, but we don't always get what we want.

Sensible policies for a happier USA.

How do I vote for him?

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How progressive of him to support Kyoto... or is it just that he knows it will destroy Western Economies? :rolleyes:

Maybe he is just threw it in there knowing the US would never accept that.


You know, in case they implement the others. :p

Maybe he is just threw it in there knowing the US would never accept that.


You know, in case they implement the others. :p
No way, man, Osama cares! That's why his suicide bombers don't use nitrate-based fertilizers in their truck bombs. *tears up* What a guy...

Osama the Environmentalist. How touching. Maybe all that time living in caves eating rats has done him some good. Like Henry David Thoreau in 'Walden'. :)

Maybe he thinks it will make the US use less oil = less interest in the middle east?

Maybe he thinks it will make the US use less oil = less interest in the middle east?
Which translates into less military and monetary aid to middle eastern regimes so his islamist followers can more easily overthrow them.

"Osama bin Laden wants the United States to convert to Islam, ditch its constitution, abolish banks, jail homosexuals and sign the Kyoto climate change treaty."

At first he was turning me off, but he was making sense by the time he finished. :p

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How progressive of him to support Kyoto... or is it just that he knows it will destroy Western Economies? :rolleyes:

Maybe he has just kept up to date on current scientific thinking?

Just because the US has decided to place it's collective head in the sand on this issue, doesn't mean it is going to go away.

And... okay - so bin Ladin has some unpopular ideas (his policy on homosexuality, or the mass conversion to Islam, for example). That doesn't mean he can't slip the occasional GOOD idea in there...

The American political system is pretty much running on THAT situation, after all.

Sensible policies for a happier USA.
How do I vote for him?
I believe you would have to put him in as a write-in :rolleyes:

Oh do people care about Osama again? How nice. Here I thought the rabid, nuke-advocating jingoists had entirely redirected their rage from the one who caused 9/11 to Saddam and his government.

Hmmm...President Osama.

Does have a ring to it.

Alcohol and gambling would be barred
Now he has gone TOO FUCKING FAR! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Hmmm...President Osama.

Does have a ring to it.

I prefur President Bin Laden

I prefur President Bin Laden
President Osama sounds better.

President Osama sounds better.
He's not a US citizen, so he can't be president.

He's not a US citizen, so he can't be president.

I'm sure we can make an exeption for such a glorious figure.

How progressive of him to support Kyoto... or is it just that he knows it will destroy Western Economies? :rolleyes:Why would it matter if banks are abolished? I personally think that would do more harm... :p

And... okay - so bin Ladin has some unpopular ideas (his policy on homosexuality, or the mass conversion to Islam, for example). That doesn't mean he can't slip the occasional GOOD idea in there...
Of course - every evil person does at least one good thing. Hitler banned smoking (at which point scientists noticed a drop in lung cancer), Mussolini made the trains run on time, and now Bin Laden likes the environment.

How progressive of him to support Kyoto...
Unlike the idiot who currently lives in the White House Mr. Laden seems to have some intelligence.

Of course - every evil person does at least one good thing. Hitler banned smoking (at which point scientists noticed a drop in lung cancer), Mussolini made the trains run on time, and now Bin Laden likes the environment.
Maybe he ought to run as head of the Green Party. He also sounds like potential leadership material for PETA.

And this is why:

"In bin Laden's world a global conflict is under way between the umma, or Muslim community, and unbelievers."

The Real Reason Why Bush hates Osama...

Osama: So W, what do you think of my new policies?
Bush: Well...
Osama: Converting the US to Islam?
Bush: Sounds good...
Osama: Ditch the constitution.
Bush: No problem there.
Osama: Abolish banks,
Bush: So far so good.
Osama: Jail homosexuals...
Bush: I thought we already did...
Osama; Sign the Kyoto treaty..
Bush: Ok so I think we have an... wait did you say the Kyoto treaty? I really hope I didn't just hear you say the friggin Kyoto treaty...
Osama: Well I...
Bush: Alright, that is it mister!!! You are officially an enemy of the United States of America!!! And if you ever show up your ugly face outside that cave o' yours again ima drop the hugest nukulear assault yo ass has ever seen!! The Kyoto treaty indeed!!

Oh do people care about Osama again? How nice. Here I thought the rabid, nuke-advocating jingoists had entirely redirected their rage from the one who caused 9/11 to Saddam and his government.Speak for yourself - not me or anybody else. It's both imprudent and impudent. I wanted to invade Saudi.

The Real Reason Why Bush hates Osama...

Osama: So W, what do you think of my new policies?
Bush: Well...
Osama: Converting the US to Islam?
Bush: Sounds good...
Osama: Ditch the constitution.
Bush: No problem there.
Osama: Abolish banks,
Bush: So far so good.
Osama: Jail homosexuals...
Bush: I thought we already did...
Osama; Sign the Kyoto treaty..
Bush: Ok so I think we have an... wait did you say the Kyoto treaty? I really hope I didn't just hear you say the friggin Kyoto treaty...
Osama: Well I...
Bush: Alright, that is it mister!!! You are officially an enemy of the United States of America!!! And if you ever show up your ugly face outside that cave o' yours again ima drop the hugest nukulear assault yo ass has ever seen!! The Kyoto treaty indeed!!

Lol! Lol! Lol!

I do hope this is not going to come up in the future as an excuse not to join Kyoto.

He wants to jail homosexuals? He could get elected governor in Texas.

. . .Texas

You called? :p

I'm sure Osama thinks drinking enough liquids to not die of dehydration is a good idea too.

(waits for Busheviks to start dehydrating.)

I'm going to need a much bigger wallet.

The Real Reason Why Bush hates Osama...

Osama: So W, what do you think of my new policies?
Bush: Well...
Osama: Converting the US to Islam?
Bush: LOL wait are you serious? Everyone knows that Muslims are going to burn in hell!!!
Osama: No YOU are going to burn in hell!!!
Bush: Na ah. You are.
Osama: No you are
Bush: Na ah. You are.
Osama: No you are
Bush: Na ah. You are.
Osama: No you are
Bush: Na ah. You are.
Osama: No you are
Bush: YOUR STUPID!
Osama: NO YOUR STUPID!
Bush: I know you are but what am I.
Osama: I know you are but what am I.
Bush: STOP IT!!!


Fixed to more accurately reflect the policies of a conservative President.

Of course - every evil person does at least one good thing. Hitler banned smoking (at which point scientists noticed a drop in lung cancer), Mussolini made the trains run on time, and now Bin Laden likes the environment.

Godwined.

He wants to jail homosexuals? He could get elected governor in Texas.which would put him, oddly enough, on the same side as the KKK. Wonder how they feel about that?

He's not a US citizen, so he can't be president.

Given that he wants to destroy the Constitution, I don't think that matters to him.

:)

Godwined.

Not really.

No comparison to the Nazis has been made.

Osama is cool he also wants to shut down the drug industry.....

What a nice man.

Nobody with facial hair could possibly be evil. Look at Stal..oh.

Or U.S. Grant.

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How progressive of him to support Kyoto... or is it just that he knows it will destroy Western Economies? :rolleyes:

Great Britain signed up with Kyoto and its "western" economy has not been destroyed.

How progressive of him to support Kyoto... or is it just that he knows it will destroy Western Economies? :rolleyes:

My theory is that he hired an image consultant and that consultant said something like this...

"Now we need to improve your image. There has been too much focus on the negative. If we are to improve the Osama brand, we need to focus more on that which will make the world view you in a much more positive manner. I say you adopt some issues, things that do not conflict with your 'convert to Islam or die' ideology, and slip them into your yearly 'Death to America' statements... It can't hurt..."

Great Britain signed up with Kyoto and its "western" economy has not been destroyed.

They may have signed it but did they ratified last I heard almost no countries had ratified it in their Legislatures. It's a huge thing here in Canada. Most people where I live don't want it to be ratified.

They may have signed it but did they ratified last I heard almost no countries had ratified it in their Legislatures. It's a huge thing here in Canada. Most people where I live don't want it to be ratified.

Thailand ratified it back in '02, Russia ratified it in '04 (see http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041118/325/f6vjn.html and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3943727.stm) and as far as i can tell (i don't profess to being an expert in Kyoto) now its a legally binding thing on the UK and all the other signatories so they all have to start making cuts or face fines or something.

Not really.

No comparison to the Nazis has been made.

Hitler referances count.

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.

Oh yeah, and...

If a Usenet discussion mentions Godwin's law as a conterrebuttal to a mention of Hitler/Nazis, then the probability of Godwin's law being disputed is equal to 1.

:D

Hitler referances count.

Does it not take a bit of word play to make references = comparisons?

Does it not take a bit of word play to make references = comparisons?

The post in question did indeed make a comparison of both Hitler and Mussolini to Osama.

Of course - every evil person does at least one good thing. Hitler banned smoking (at which point scientists noticed a drop in lung cancer), Mussolini made the trains run on time, and now Bin Laden likes the environment.

Godwined.

Relevent how?

Is this thread not about the (arguably) good idea that an (arguably) bad figure has had?

In the scope of 'evil empires', and the positive effects of those regimes... it is hard NOT to have even passing references to Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.

Relevent how?

Is this thread not about the (arguably) good idea that an (arguably) bad figure has had?

In the scope of 'evil empires', and the positive effects of those regimes... it is hard NOT to have even passing references to Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.

It isn't by any means relevent. It gives me passing amusement to point them out. ;)

It isn't by any means relevent. It gives me passing amusement to point them out. ;)

While I can understand that, I don't really think you get to invoke Godwin, when the debate is basically ABOUT comparisons to Hitlerian Germany...

He sounds a lot like the religious right in the USA to be honest, well except the Kyoto part..lol :p

Hitler banned smoking (at which point scientists noticed a drop in lung cancer)

Ah yes. Nazi scientists, who were basically ordered by Hitler to prove that smoking caused cancer.

I love the unbiased sources people like to point to for how 'good' it is that we ban cigarettes.

Hitler may have done "one good thing" but knocking away one minor freedom just because he personally thought cigarettes were bad is not it.

Ah yes. Nazi scientists, who were basically ordered by Hitler to prove that smoking caused cancer.

I love the unbiased sources people like to point to for how 'good' it is that we ban cigarettes.

Hitler may have done "one good thing" but knocking away one minor freedom just because he personally thought cigarettes were bad is not it.

Excuse me for throwing in my two cents :gundge:
But explain to me how exactly what are the Benefits of smoking?

i.e. people often more cite the 'cigarettes cause cancer' argument from FACT. What about the modern scientists who find the same thing? Are they Nazis ordered by the Fuerer?;)

:confused:

Excuse me for throwing in my two cents :gundge:
But explain to me how exactly what are the Benefits of smoking?

How exactly is that relevant to anything? What are the benefits from posting on NationStates.net?

What about the modern scientists who find the same thing?

Well, which scientists? and what findings?

We could dissect how many government funded studies are actually biased, unscientific, and misleading. Like that one U.S. National Institutes of Health bit that John Pauly researched which purported to show how cigarettes cause lung cancer. Actually he wanted to show that pieces of cigarette filters are what cause lung cancer. He successfully showed that pieces of cigarette filters can get inhaled using mice. Unfortunately not a single one of the mice got lung cancer! The study essentially "proved" that inhaling tar-soaked bits of cigarette filters causes absolutely no harm to mice.

But that didnt stop a bunch of idiots - the Wall Street Journal, and most anti-smoking organizations - from hailing it as a groundbreaking study proving for once and all what our old friend Adolf already knew - cigarettes are unhealthful to the point that they should be criminalized.

Anyway, this is all a bit of a thread hijack is it not?