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America retains sole control of Internet

Korrithor
17-11-2005, 15:42
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,16559,1643650,00.html

Internet battle ends in stalemate

· US fends off demands for shared control of medium
· EU falls strangely silent after leading reform calls

Kieren McCarthy in Tunis
Wednesday November 16, 2005
The Guardian


An expected fight over the governance of the internet looked to have been averted last night as a tentative deal was struck which would allow the US government to retain overall control of the medium for the foreseeable future.
As delegates arrived for today's opening of the UN-sponsored World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) in the Tunisian capital, bureaucrats who had been locked in three days of pre-summit meetings reckoned they had a compromise.

The US government will retain overall control of the technology which powers the internet - its domain name system, root servers and the oversight of the California-based, not-for-profit Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann) which looks after it all - for the foreseeable future.

An Internet Governance Forum will be created to discuss and decide upon the over-reaching issues of the internet, but, crucially, will not have any oversight powers. Governments have also agreed to work within existing organisations and infrastructures to gradually transform the way the internet is run.

It is a far cry from the inter-governmental oversight body that was proposed by the European Union in September. That proposal, which shocked the US as much as it pleased Brazil, China and Iran, pushed the previously unnoticed issue of internet governance on to the world stage and turned the topic into the main focus of the WSIS.

Just as surprising as the EU's proposal, however, has been its failure to push that model in Tunis this week. In fiery opening statements, China and the US laid down their same, strong positions, but when it came to the EU to speak, delegation head David Hendon said only that it had "looked carefully at all positions, including our own" and deferred to the chair of the committee over which direction the meeting would take.

Masood Khan from Pakistan wasted no time in telling delegates that the world was expecting a decision and he would no longer accept grandstanding. Stating that there would be no voting, only a process of consensus, Mr Khan told delegates to find common ground and produce a list of points where they agreed. When they failed to do so after several hours of discussion, he suspended the meeting.

With such a provocative approach, the hopes that a radical solution would emerge were shot down by a series of interventions from the US and Australia. Russian attempts to push the forum into the hands of the International Telecommunications Union were neatly sidestepped. By the end, what was left was an acceptance of the status quo with promises that they would be open to reform.

The finally wording remains to be decided but reform will have to take place in the governmental advisory committee of Icann, which plays only an advisory role.

Internet watchers were puzzled by the EU's backtracking. Recent speculation has centred on a letter from US national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, to the EU in the run-up to the summit. Its contents have not been made public but Ms Rice is said to have urged the EU to reconsider its approach.

Mr Hendon confirmed the letter's existence but denied it had had any impact on the organisation's position.

A large number of leading IT companies, including Microsoft and Google, publicly stated their support for the existing model.
Armorvia
17-11-2005, 15:45
Excellent.
5iam
17-11-2005, 15:50
We made it, we own it, bitches.
My Dressing Gown
17-11-2005, 15:52
Good..The US kicks ass..let them have the internet or they might invade (and then my country would have to follow...again)
UpwardThrust
17-11-2005, 15:53
We made it, we own it, bitches.
A private company owns the DNS root

If they get bought out by a non US company we no longer technicaly will
Deep Kimchi
17-11-2005, 15:54
A private company owns the DNS root

If they get bought out by a non US company we no longer technicaly will

I thought ICANN is a non-profit, not under anyone's control.

Point of fact, most of the countries that wanted international control were nations like China and most Arab states, who wanted the ability to do away with their own filtering, and just kick people off the Internet who say things they don't want to hear.

I'd like to know if anyone here on the forums actually has a gripe with the way that ICANN runs, and if making it international would actually change it.
Corneliu
17-11-2005, 15:56
A private company owns the DNS root

If they get bought out by a non US company we no longer technicaly will

Its a not-for-profit corporation. Who wants to buy that? :D
UpwardThrust
17-11-2005, 15:57
I thought ICANN is a non-profit, not under anyone's control.

Point of fact, most of the countries that wanted international control were nations like China and most Arab states, who wanted the ability to do away with their own filtering, and just kick people off the Internet who say things they don't want to hear.

I'd like to know if anyone here on the forums actually has a gripe with the way that ICANN runs, and if making it international would actually change it.
Sorry incorrect termanology (me) but as a non-profit they can still merge
I ment more akin to private entity (as in not governmentaly run)

Anyways
UpwardThrust
17-11-2005, 15:58
Its a not-for-profit corporation. Who wants to buy that? :D
I dont know ... why did CentraCare (a non -proffit org itself) buy out other healthcare non-proffit organizations

It happens
Yossarian Lives
17-11-2005, 15:59
We made it, we own it, bitches.
No, Al Gore made it, he said so.
Corneliu
17-11-2005, 16:03
I dont know ... why did CentraCare (a non -proffit org itself) buy out other healthcare non-proffit organizations

It happens

That's non on non. However, there really is no profit in buying a non-profit company by a for profit one.
UpwardThrust
17-11-2005, 16:05
That's non on non. However, there really is no profit in buying a non-profit company by a for profit one.
Yeah ... I suppose ... but what if a non american non-proffit absorbs them ...
Deep Kimchi
17-11-2005, 16:06
Yeah ... I suppose ... but what if a non american non-proffit absorbs them ...
The International Red Cross?
Corneliu
17-11-2005, 16:07
The International Red Cross?

Nah that'll be the International Committee of the Red Cross :D
Somewhere
17-11-2005, 16:07
I personally don't really care if America controls the internet. The sharing of control isn't going to benefit me in any way and the Americans have done a good enough job so far. I get the impression that this squabbling is just another international ego battle. And the last thing I ever want to see is any islamic country, especially Iran, have even the slightest input on how the internet is run.
My Dressing Gown
17-11-2005, 16:11
I personally don't really care if America controls the internet. The sharing of control isn't going to benefit me in any way and the Americans have done a good enough job so far. I get the impression that this squabbling is just another international ego battle. And the last thing I ever want to see is any islamic country, especially Iran, have even the slightest input on how the internet is run.

"I hate Bigots.They're all the same." lol lol
UpwardThrust
17-11-2005, 16:13
The International Red Cross?
Why not ... then I can ask them to send relief porn aid :p
Avalon II
17-11-2005, 16:16
We made it, we own it, bitches.

No you didn't. The British invented it. http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/
5iam
17-11-2005, 16:19
No you didn't. The British invented it. http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/

And the Russians believe(d) that they developed the first powered flight.
Avalon II
17-11-2005, 16:31
And the Russians believe(d) that they developed the first powered flight.

Have you read the link. Americans inveted the capacity for computers to conect to one another but the British invented the internet.

http://www.computerweekly.com/Article25873.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3357073.stm

http://www.time.com/time/time100/scientist/profile/bernerslee.html

http://web.mit.edu/invent/iow/berners-lee.html
Jjimjja
17-11-2005, 16:31
diiference is the russians are wrong. A Brit developed the www in CERN i beleive. Internet is different though
Avalon II
17-11-2005, 16:36
diiference is the russians are wrong. A Brit developed the www in CERN i beleive. Internet is different though

The technology for computers to communicate with each other on a low level basis, basicly phone lines was made possible by the Americans. However all the software, web sites, larger scale infomation transfer was made possible by the British
Jjimjja
17-11-2005, 16:37
WWW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_wide_web)

Internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet)
Jjimjja
17-11-2005, 16:38
The technology for computers to communicate with each other on a low level basis, basicly phone lines was made possible by the Americans. However all the software, web sites, larger scale infomation transfer was made possible by the British

fair enough
Ravenshrike
17-11-2005, 16:38
No you didn't. The British invented it. http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/
No, he invented the world wide web, which is a different entity from the internet.
Carnivorous Lickers
17-11-2005, 16:40
Good news.
Eutrusca
17-11-2005, 16:41
This guy sounds like a good leader to me:

"Masood Khan from Pakistan wasted no time in telling delegates that the world was expecting a decision and he would no longer accept grandstanding. Stating that there would be no voting, only a process of consensus, Mr Khan told delegates to find common ground and produce a list of points where they agreed. When they failed to do so after several hours of discussion, he suspended the meeting."
Eutrusca
17-11-2005, 16:43
I personally don't really care if America controls the internet. The sharing of control isn't going to benefit me in any way and the Americans have done a good enough job so far. I get the impression that this squabbling is just another international ego battle. And the last thing I ever want to see is any islamic country, especially Iran, have even the slightest input on how the internet is run.
Amen!
Valosia
17-11-2005, 18:00
Exactly right. Unlike many countries American law protects the free market of ideas, which may include those in bad taste IE nazism, racism, etc. We DO have the ability to pull the plug on certain countries access, but, frankly, we're not going to do it to another Western nation since most of them are sensible in their diplomatic ventures.

You find anything on the 'net, and I think a good part of that is due to its growth under American jurisdiction. It can be a vessel of free information for the oppressed. Letting nations like Iran and China interfere can only lead to bad things. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.