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I don't have much time, so I figure I'll start something controversial, see what happens, and check back tomorrow.

I believe that Israel should take the full of its territory, and the Muslim nations surrounding it can absorb their Palestinian brothers. Heaven Knows how much Syria, Egypt, Jordan, etc, talk of helping their Islamic brethren, but never do anything to that effect.

In due time, namely, tomorrow, I shall endeavour to elaborate upon this position, but until then, Have at it!

Adieu,

GZ

I don't have much time, so I figure I'll start something controversial, see what happens, and check back tomorrow.

I believe that Israel should take the full of its territory, and the Muslim nations surrounding it can absorb their Palestinian brothers. Heaven Knows how much Syria, Egypt, Jorden, etc, talk of helping their Islamic brethren, but never do anything to that effect.

In due time, namely, tomorrow, I shall endeavour to elaborate upon this position, but until then, Have at it!

Adieu,

GZ


I agree 100%. Israel has more rights to that land than those "palestinians"(many of them are so called Pales. but are just from neighboring nations, seeking to destroy Israel, in civil war)

Well, I want to start something too.

I think that Israel should be dissolved as a nation and the Palestinians should retake the ancient land of their bretheren, the Philistines. The US should also drop all aid to Israel and let them fend for themselves to see if they can hold their own nation together.

Screw mideast peace, kill everyone.








Disclaimer: everything said here is in pure sarcasm and not intended for actual somewhat coherent debate, as found on the rest of these boards.

It seems that Zilam is biased and BLARGistania is heartless.

History shows that it is the British's fault... you can't blame the Israeli's or the Palestinians.

Fuck the Zionist Entity. It's founded on broken pledges, and perpetuates itself with oppression and cruelty. I want the Zionists in the ocean, a secular Palestinian government established, and freedom for everyone to live in the Holy Land

Fuck the Zionist Entity. It's founded on broken pledges, and perpetuates itself with oppression and cruelty. I want the Zionists in the ocean, a secular Palestinian government established, and freedom for everyone to live in the Holy Land

So you're saying that an oppressive and intolerant people should be given control of the Holy Land?

Yes, because everyone gets along so well with Arabs...Yeah, they're real friendly to Christians, Jews, Hindus, and just about anyone non-Muslim. Heck, they even fight amongst themselves. How can you expect Jews or Christians to live there peacefully, when most Arabs hate their guts?

Israelis are cruel eh? Yeah, they go around decapitating Americans on t.v. and perform suicide bombings on school buses and in cafes...

Maybe Israel does a bad job at handling the situation. Replacing Israel with Palestine, however, will just make the problem worse. On the one hand, you have a highly modernized democratic society that is Israel. On the other, you have either a theocracy or a dictatorship that makes women completely subservient to men, and has legal stonings. Democracy please!

So you're saying that an oppressive and intolerant people should be given control of the Holy Land?

Yes, because everyone gets along so well with Arabs...Yeah, they're real friendly to Christians, Jews, Hindus, and just about anyone non-Muslim. Heck, they even fight amongst themselves. How can you expect Jews or Christians to live there peacefully, when most Arabs hate their guts?

Israelis are cruel eh? Yeah, they go around decapitating Americans on t.v. and perform suicide bombings on school buses and in cafes...

Maybe Israel does a bad job at handling the situation. Replacing Israel with Palestine, however, will just make the problem worse. On the one hand, you have a highly modernized democratic society that is Israel. On the other, you have either a theocracy or a dictatorship that makes women completely subservient to men, and has legal stonings. Democracy please!
I prefer justice and the sanctity of a country's pledge over whatever political interests the western world happens to have.

Fuck the Zionist Entity. It's founded on broken pledges, and perpetuates itself with oppression and cruelty. I want the Zionists in the ocean, a secular Palestinian government established, and freedom for everyone to live in the Holy Land

In less offensive terms, I tend to agree.

How about we stop dicating policy to the Middle East? History has shown Westerners have no fucking idea and just cokc things up.

I believe that Israel should take the full of its territory...
I agree (http://www.palestinefacts.org/images/map_israel_un181.jpg).

...and the Muslim nations surrounding it can absorb their Palestinian brothers.
Why bother, there'd be plenty of room left for the Palestinians to live.

Heaven Knows how much Syria, Egypt, Jorden, etc, talk of helping their Islamic brethren, but never do anything to that effect.
That's true, the chivalry of the other Arab States has been somewhat underwhelming.

I don't have much time, so I figure I'll start something controversial, see what happens, and check back tomorrow.
And achieve what?


I believe that Israel should take the full of its territory, and the Muslim nations surrounding it can absorb their Palestinian brothers.
As an Israeli rightwinger, all I can say is "no thanks". Aside from the fact that it would be neither moral nor practical to attempt expelling all the Palestinians, there is plenty of reasons why it would harm Israeli interests as well.


Heaven Knows how much Syria, Egypt, Jorden, etc, talk of helping their Islamic brethren, but never do anything to that effect.
And you think if they got more Palestinians to take care of, they would have?

I want the Zionists in the ocean
Come over, then, and give it a try. I am more than willing to show you the error of your ways.

Come over, then, and give it a try. I am more than willing to show you the error of your ways.
I'm not desperate enough to use the few resources I have on a martyrdom operation right now. I'd prefer to (and plan to) use different methods, since I have access to great learning opportunities in the United States. There's a lot more to Palestinian freedom than killing Israelis :P

I'm not desperate enough to use the few resources I have on a martyrdom operation right now. I'd prefer to (and plan to) use different methods, since I have access to great learning opportunities in the United States. There's a lot more to Palestinian freedom than killing Israelis :P
Sure there is, as long as it doesn't involve trying to push me into the sea. Because once it comes to that, I'll definitely choose shooting over swimming. But hey, dream on. Sadistic fantasies have never hurt anyone yet.

Because once it comes to that, I'll definitely choose shooting over swimming.
So do HAMAS, Hezbullah, PFLP, PIJ, &c.! You definitely won't be the first :P

So do HAMAS, Hezbullah, PFLP, PIJ, &c.! You definitely won't be the first :P
The difference being, of course, that no one is trying to push them into the sea. They are being pushed into peaceful coexistence instead, and they don't seem to like it much.

The difference being, of course, that no one is trying to push them into the sea. They are being pushed into peaceful coexistence instead, and they don't seem to like it much.
Peaceful coexistence in a racist country that was founded on broken oaths and conquered land anyway...no good.

We're never going to agree, though, so I'm not gonna argue with you. :P

Peaceful coexistence in a racist country that was founded on broken oaths and conquered land anyway...no good.
Ahh nothing like a pile of overused falsehoods to evade a logical argument... ;)

Here's how I see it:

According to the Book of Genesis, found both in the Bible and Torah, God gave the land known currently as "Israel," and refered to as Canaan, to the Israelites (Hebrews).

Now, the various peoples found in Canaan, of which the Palestinians were only one, had turned from God many years before the Israelites conquered Canaan. God had given them roughly 400 years to repent, turn from their evil ways (including idol worship, sexual immorality, etc.) and return to Him. Since they did not comply, God dealt his punishment out on the various tribes resident to Canaan through the Israelites.

There is a concept called "property," whereby a party "owns" something; the property. The Israelites took the land, and it became theirs. Within the space of a few centuries, the Babylonians, Asyrians, Greeks, Romans, Muslims, Christians, and Muslims again took the Holy Land by force.

Eventually it came to rest in the hands of the British, and the British, owning the land, could do with it as they pleased. So, they turned it over to the Jews to form a state of their own following their persecution during WWII.

The British did not give the land to the Palistinians, so the Palestinians have no claim, and, do not deserve any land unless Israel cedes it to the Palestinians, which Israel has done.

Follow me, if you will, through this hypothetical situation. You purchase a car. You have owned the car for a few years now, and all of a sudden, the car's manufacturer comes back to you and claims that the car is theirs because they made it. How absurd is that? You know you own the car because you paid for it; it became your property following the transaction.

I do not believe Israel should have ceded any land to the "Palestinians" due to the lack of any cohesive, organized, respected, recognized governing body which has shown that it is responsible and in control of its people, and capable of interacting with other nations on a diplomatic level. A large number of Israeli citizens are of Palestinian descent, and they are perfectly happy to participate in Israel's government and so forth.

In conclusion, the land is Israel's, they are in the right, and America should continue to support it in any way possible against the threats which would see it destroyed.

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I think that Israel should be dissolved as a nation and the Palestinians should retake the ancient land of their bretheren, the Philistines. The US should also drop all aid to Israel and let them fend for themselves to see if they can hold their own nation together.
That would probably end up working in the Israeli's favor, as much as could be. The problem is that Syria does have chem weapons, and Israel would retaliate with nukes. This leaves the israelis alive but much reduced in population and their opponents all dead.

So do HAMAS, Hezbullah, PFLP, PIJ, &c.! You definitely won't be the first :P
True, but he will be one of the first that is actually able to properly shoot. Outside of the Israelis themselves target accuracy sucks mightily.

It seems that Zilam is biased and BLARGistania is heartless.

History shows that it is the British's fault... you can't blame the Israeli's or the Palestinians.

cough *spills tea* I beg your pardon. Your blaming the British empire for the mass migration of Jews. Britain merely gave Palestine to the UN. THe UN then sorted out the terms of the treaty, the Nazis caused the migration and the Romans made the Jews move in the first place. (most Isrealis are actually decended from eastern eureopeans not from the Semites but that a different story)

If it was my decision, the Israelis could have all of that land to themselves. The only difference would be they wouldn't be recieiving American support.

My view usually isn't popular, but I reckon the only way to get peace happen without either side having something to moan about is to go back to the 1949 plan and start from there.

That means Israel will lose a lot of land, but I'm afraid that land was annexed in times of war anyways, and they can't seriously expect to have the good times going on forever.

That also means that neither side will get Jerusalem - but enough international peacekeepers will keep things relatively quiet I hope. And you could even move the UN headquarters there, which would make a lot of Americans happy.

That should pretty much cancel out any "legitimate" claims at territory or other grudges, and anyone who still acts up then - well, you have my permission to put them in jail.

cough *spills tea* I beg your pardon. Your blaming the British empire for the mass migration of Jews. Britain merely gave Palestine to the UN. THe UN then sorted out the terms of the treaty, the Nazis caused the migration and the Romans made the Jews move in the first place. (most Isrealis are actually decended from eastern eureopeans not from the Semites but that a different story)
Sure, but you can't give away something that doesn't belong to you

Edit: Also, I want to see terrible Palestinian photoshops with Ariel Sharon's face on Ariel the mermaid's body

that would be so hawt

My $0.02

The Israelis can do whatever they want. But only if they don't get propped up anymore. All those arms shipments and payoffs (giveaways really) to the Israeli government come to a halt. Anything they want, they pay for it. No more Uncle Sam with a handout.