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First, they ban all handguns, so that the only ones left in the city are illegal (guess who has those!) Then they vote to allow MANDATORY sterilization of all pitbulls in the city, basically fighting for the extinction of an entire species, and now they ban military recruiters from schools, the main place to get recruits.

When you take recruiters out of San Fransciso, then no more kids from San Franscisco will join the military. So where will they come from? NYC, LA, Pittsburg, Miami, Boston etc. So our cities will fill the ranks to protect the rights that San Fransicans are also enjoying? Ive never seen a recruiter put a gun to a kids head and force him to enlist, and Ive never seen a kid allowed to sign a contract without PARENTAL CONSENT<

Whats next? Are they gonna ship all prison inmates to Oakland? Then ship their garbage to LA? They get a paradise at our expense?

I don't understand how people can be so selfish and self centered and be considered so "openminded"

It's amazing how two out of those three things you mentioned were voted on by the population of the city in a democratic vote.

That's right - Kick them out. They'll gladly join the EU, and we'll have some more people to sell fancy stuff to...:D

I dont know why this reminds me of this:

http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist4/maritime17.html

It's amazing how two out of those three things you mentioned were voted on by the population of the city in a democratic vote.
Fuck democracy if it take rights away from the minority. Remember, the individual is the smallest minority. Not that I’m not in favor of keeping the military out of schools, but making people sterilize their pets and controlling what products they can and can not consensually buy? I could never support that.

It's amazing how two out of those three things you mentioned were voted on by the population of the city in a democratic vote.
I'm well aware of it. There are alot of people who would vote to let the Pope dictate American policy, so do you agree with that too?

That's right - Kick them out. They'll gladly join the EU, and we'll have some more people to sell fancy stuff to...:D
Ahh, I wanted to buy fancy stuff.:(

Fuck democracy if it take rights away from the minority. Remember, the individual is the smallest minority. Not that I’m not in favor of keeping the military out of schools, but making people sterilize their pets and controlling what products they can and can not consensually buy? I could never support that.

I know you support the right to gay marriage. But imagine how certain citizens of the city of San Francisco feel about taking rights away from the minority.

First, they ban all handguns, so that the only ones left in the city are illegal (guess who has those!) Then they vote to allow MANDATORY sterilization of all pitbulls in the city, basically fighting for the extinction of an entire species, and now they ban military recruiters from schools, the main place to get recruits.

When you take recruiters out of San Fransciso, then no more kids from San Franscisco will join the military. So where will they come from? NYC, LA, Pittsburg, Miami, Boston etc. So our cities will fill the ranks to protect the rights that San Fransicans are also enjoying? Ive never seen a recruiter put a gun to a kids head and force him to enlist, and Ive never seen a kid allowed to sign a contract without PARENTAL CONSENT<

Whats next? Are they gonna ship all prison inmates to Oakland? Then ship their garbage to LA? They get a paradise at our expense?

I don't understand how people can be so selfish and self centered and be considered so "openminded"
Ok just going to mention this usualy the poll is the same as the thread topic ... this is going to get confusing as some ... people are going to be thinking they are voting for the yes no for protection not nessisarily the school shooters

This will throw your poll results off

I know you support the right to gay marriage. But imagine how certain citizens of the city of San Francisco feel about taking rights away from the minority.
Apparently, they only support the rights of the minority when its their minority being protected.

Apparently, they only support the rights of the minority when its their minority being protected.

As do most of the people complaining about the events transpiring in San Francisco. Let's not pretend any of us are above this sort of hypocrisy.

Military recruiters shouldn't have any more access to schools than other (corporate etc) recruiters do. Bring them in on careers day, let them set up a booth for careers week, whatever. It should be presented as one of many career options. That's it. No special treatment.

As do most of the people complaining about the events transpiring in San Francisco. Let's not pretend any of us are above this sort of hypocrisy.
I happen to support the rights of any minority as long as they are not infringing on other's rights unreasonably (An example of unreasonable would be the right not to be offended, which doesn't exist IMO). It isn’t that hard to do if you aren’t afraid of pissing almost everybody off at some point.

Military recruiters shouldn't have any more access to schools than other (corporate etc) recruiters do. Bring them in on careers day, let them set up a booth for careers week, whatever. It should be presented as one of many career options. That's it. No special treatment.

However military recruiters are not corporations. They are a defense arm of the US government. They should always be allowed in schools. I question the parents that scream about them talking to little johnny or little susie. Its got to be some of the biggest hypocracy around. Enjoy the fruits of this nation and not want to help defend it. Bullshit of the first order.

Then they vote to allow MANDATORY sterilization of all pitbulls in the city, basically fighting for the extinction of an entire species
Becuase the only pitbulls in the entire world live in San Francisco.

Becuase the only pitbulls in the entire world live in San Francisco.
Which proves my point. They don't give a fuck what happens outside San Fran. As long as we protect them, and keep our evil dogs out.

Yes, because the vote didn't pass with a 2/3rds majority.

Meh. Military recruiters don't deserve special treatment. San Fransisco was completely in the right to do what they did. Military recruiters are in no way special. Unless you intend to allow other career options to come in and give their special spiel to students too, you're in the wrong.

It's so great, brainwash the kids about violence and the "glory" of giving and taking lives for their country, while you sit at home and bemoan the horors they face. Fight your own wars, because we won't fight them for you.

Fight your own wars, because we won't fight them for you.
Well then we will fucking laugh at you when you get invaded, because it won't be our war. Nobody forces ANYBODY to join the military in the U.S. We merely tell them that it's a whole lot better than being a douchebag pussy who's too useless to fight for anything they believe in. Kinda like...well....you.

Of course we'll protect them if they're attacked. That's because we're AMERICANS and I hope that still stands for something. I would hope that would mean that we would protect part of our country even if we didn't agree with something they did.

I don't think Military Recruiters should be in schools. As long as they don't ban them from the entire town, I don't see what the problem is.

Forcing people to sterilize their pitt bulls I do not agree with. Obviously they are dangerous dogs but I don't see how you can stop the breeding of a whole species.

Of course we'll protect them if they're attacked. That's because we're AMERICANS and I hope that still stands for something. I would hope that would mean that we would protect part of our country even if we didn't agree with something they did.

I don't think Military Recruiters should be in schools. As long as they don't ban them from the entire town, I don't see what the problem is.

Forcing people to sterilize their pitt bulls I do not agree with. Obviously they are dangerous dogs but I don't see how you can stop the breeding of a whole species.
If you had any idea what our military would look like without recruiters in the schools, I suspect you'd change your tune.. We currently have around 2.4 million people in our standing military, active and reserve. Thats the only reason we can be in Iraq and, Afghanistan, and not worry about leaving our homeland defenseless.

And I'd like to repeat this. NO ONE can be forced into the military, nor can a minor sign without parental consent.

The poll really should ask about college campuses as the only time they are allowed on high school grounds happens on either career-type days or near the end of the school year when they get to bug seniors. I'm going to assume that if you're in college you can take care of yourself.

The poll really should ask about college campuses as the only time they are allowed on high school grounds happens on either career-type days or near the end of the school year when they get to bug seniors. I'm going to assume that if you're in college you can take care of yourself.
Even if your a highschool kid, and you want to do it, you either need your parents permission, or you have to wait till your 18. Thats the point. These assholes in San Fran act like we're drafting people.

Well then we will fucking laugh at you when you get invaded, because it won't be our war. Nobody forces ANYBODY to join the military in the U.S. We merely tell them that it's a whole lot better than being a douchebag pussy who's too useless to fight for anything they believe in. Kinda like...well....you.

Yay for flaming!

And... really, if San Fran was invaded, it WOULD be our war. Primarily because San Fran is part of the US. As far as I know, they haven't seceded from the union.

Ah yes, the US army is certainly defending our liberties! ...over in Iraq?
I'd only consider joining the military if there was an actual threat to the US.

Well then we will fucking laugh at you when you get invaded, because it won't be our war. Nobody forces ANYBODY to join the military in the U.S. We merely tell them that it's a whole lot better than being a douchebag pussy who's too useless to fight for anything they believe in. Kinda like...well....you.

Nice peice of Ad Hominem there, because you clearly know what I beleive in, what I'm willing to fight for and why I oppose military service as it stands.

The part that you don't understand is that military recruiters create a strong sense of peer-pressure, often are quite skilled at spinning the military to sound much more positive than it is, and are quite intimidating (not in that they physically threaten anyone, but in that it gives one the feeling that one is expected to serve, rather than asked).

More than that, why does the military get this monopoly on the ear of teenagers? Why are teens expected to jump at the chance to lose their individualism, their mental freedom, and quite possibly their lives to fight in wars they don't even really have a say about?

Even if your a highschool kid, and you want to do it, you either need your parents permission, or you have to wait till your 18. Thats the point. These assholes in San Fran act like we're drafting people.

True. Are they allowing recruiters for career day, or have they banned them from that too?

I know you see them as assholes, but I can't blame them for not wanting to fight in a war, and I can't blame parents for not wanting their kids to be recruited.

However, the topic is called "Does San Fran deserve protection" and the answer is still yes.

Also, you were talking earlier about why they weren't thinking about any other cities. Well why would they? If I voted for something, I wouldn't stop myself and say "Hey, now how would this affect San Fransisco?" I'm sure when they voted for these things they meant no ill will towards any other city or people

I know you see them as assholes, but I can't blame them for not wanting to fight in a war, and I can't blame parents for not wanting their kids to be recruited.

However, the topic is called "Does San Fran deserve protection" and the answer is still yes.

Also, you were talking earlier about why they weren't thinking about any other cities. Well why would they? If I voted for something, I wouldn't stop myself and say "Hey, now how would this affect San Fransisco?" I'm sure when they voted for these things they meant no ill will towards any other city or people
You should alway think of how your decisions will affect others. It's what seperates us from animals.
True. Are they allowing recruiters for career day, or have they banned them from that too?
Not sure. I'd be interested to find that out.

You should alway think of how your decisions will affect others. It's what seperates us from animals.


That's what separates us from animals???

And here I thought it was language, culture, high IQ's, the ability to create and use a large amount of tools etc. etc.

We should think about others, but what I'm saying is that its not as big of an issue when it comes to voting. If the same issue was on vote in my sate, I would not be thinking about how my vote would affect all other cities.

If the vote was to "Take all our waste and dump it on Hartford" then obviously I would think of other cities. But in this case, it probably wouldn't be at the top of my mind.

So, Sick Nightmares, did you come up with this on your own, or are you just parroting Bill O'Reilly?

So, Sick Nightmares, did you come up with this on your own, or are you just parroting Bill O'Reilly?

Heh, I was thinking the same thing...

To the question posed by the thread title, the answer is obviously "yes, and you're a #%$^*&@ for suggesting otherwise." Why? Because San Francisco is one of the largest ports in the nation, one of the gateways to the Pacific, and one of the pre-eminent cities of the US, and if you don't like it that they pass meaningless resolutions via the referendum, then move there and get involved in local politics--it's pretty damn easy to do, because the citizens there eat democracy for breakfast. I've never known a more politically active city. Sometimes it results in stuff like the handgun ban (which I still maintain will be overturned), and sometimes it results in statements like this one, which I would have voted for and applaud loudly.

So, Sick Nightmares, did you come up with this on your own, or are you just parroting Bill O'Reilly?
Ok, let's say he came up with it on his own.....
no wait.. let's say he is just parroting Bill O'Reilly....

Does it matter? Does it change the question?

Does San Francisco deserve protection? Yes. They can alway change their views.

Should recruiters be allowed in public high schools? Yes. No one is being forced to even talk to the recruiters.

Should recruiters be allowed in public high schools? Yes. No one is being forced to even talk to the recruiters.

No, but the very effects of their PRESENCE are forced upon students. Peer pressure, car salesman tactics, and the sheer intimidation that they give off are all detrimental.

First, they ban all handguns, so that the only ones left in the city are illegal (guess who has those!) Then they vote to allow MANDATORY sterilization of all pitbulls in the city, basically fighting for the extinction of an entire species, and now they ban military recruiters from schools, the main place to get recruits.

When you take recruiters out of San Fransciso, then no more kids from San Franscisco will join the military. So where will they come from? NYC, LA, Pittsburg, Miami, Boston etc. So our cities will fill the ranks to protect the rights that San Fransicans are also enjoying? Ive never seen a recruiter put a gun to a kids head and force him to enlist, and Ive never seen a kid allowed to sign a contract without PARENTAL CONSENT<

Whats next? Are they gonna ship all prison inmates to Oakland? Then ship their garbage to LA? They get a paradise at our expense?

I don't understand how people can be so selfish and self centered and be considered so "openminded"

Your points are well taken and to a degree I understand them. I disagree however that they deserve no protection if attacked. It is an obligation of the US government to protect the borders of the country against attack, therefore they have no legitimate choice in the matter, despite the fact that they are failing at this miserably with immigration.
That said, what I think should happen immediately is that all federal funds, assistance, programs, buildings, courts, property, and personel cease operations until such time they can be relocated to more sutible locations elsewhere in that part of the country. If the US is not welcome there, by god give the idiots what they want, but give it all to them.

It seems pretty ridiculous to deny a city protection over such an issue. Maybe a bit extreme?? hmm?

No, but the very effects of their PRESENCE are forced upon students. Peer pressure, car salesman tactics, and the sheer intimidation that they give off are all detrimental.
Their presence is what you object to?
Sorry, no. Peer pressure happens with or without military recruiters presence.

Car Salesman tactics? Are you saying that students and more importantly their parents are gullible enough to not make an informed decision about military service? I guess you know what's best, right? :rolleyes:

Intimidation? How so? Are you saying you are intimidated by someone in a military uniform? Don't project your own insecurities on everyone else. Let them make their own informed decisions.

How can students make informed decisions when you would deny them the information necessary?

That said, what I think should happen immediately is that all federal funds, assistance, programs, buildings, courts, property, and personel cease operations until such time they can be relocated to more sutible locations elsewhere in that part of the country. If the US is not welcome there, by god give the idiots what they want, but give it all to them.

But they haven't banned military recruiters all together, just in schools. I could understand that if they said there could be no recruiting within city limits...

-snip, because I don't think it's the guns per se that are the problem, but you'd shit a brick over who convinced me of it- Then they vote to allow MANDATORY sterilization of all pitbulls in the city, basically fighting for the extinction of an entire species,
Okay, no. They do allow for breeding, they just require a permit for breeders so that Joe Yahoo doesn't breed a near feral dog that eats the neighbors kid. And a breeders permit ain't that hard, you just have to prove your not a Yayhoo. Hardly will bring about the extinction of the breed. Keep in mind that San Francisco is an impacted city and it's barely a good idea to have a dog here anyway, if you're going to have one with a vice grip for a mouth you might want to at least make sure it doesn't breed with anything left unattended. Doesn't really seem unreasonable. I don't think that we where hoping to fend off Al Queda with SF's pitbulls...

and now they ban military recruiters from schools, the main place to get recruits.
When you take recruiters out of San Fransciso, then no more kids from San Franscisco will join the military.
And without recuiters in schools kids will never hear about the military...accept with toy soldiers, movies, tv advertising, billboards...
So where will they come from? NYC, LA, Pittsburg, Miami, Boston etc. So our cities will fill the ranks to protect the rights that San Fransicans are also enjoying? Ive never seen a recruiter put a gun to a kids head and force him to enlist, and Ive never seen a kid allowed to sign a contract without PARENTAL CONSENT<
I've never heard a pelican talk, but both of these things aren't really the issue...

Whats next? Are they gonna ship all prison inmates to Oakland? Then ship their garbage to LA? They get a paradise at our expense?
Well, San Quentin and Folsom usually. Remember-tiny city, lots of people. Not a great place for a prison.

I don't understand how people can be so selfish and self centered and be considered so "openminded"
Well, we tend to try and get the whole story. We're nutty.

Which proves my point. They don't give a fuck what happens outside San Fran. As long as we protect them, and keep our evil dogs out.

Man I hate you. Why don't you go spread your vitriol over at free republic, where it belongs?:rolleyes:

Get over it! Do you live in San Francisco? I'll bet you don't. The citizens of that city pay taxes too. It's not like they voted to become a separate country, they just cast votes to enact laws that a majority (and from what I understand it was a big majority at that) wants. Don't like it? Don't live there. Pretty much the same goes for the rest of the country, which is why you'll never catch me renting an apartment in Dallas, or Kansas City.

How can students make informed decisions when you would deny them the information necessary?
So the only place kids can learn about military service is from a recruiter in their schools? They can't go, you know, online to one of the armed services websites? They can't go to the local mall and visit the recruiting station? They can't pick up a goddamn phone and dial the number to a local recruiter? Gee--seems to me like they can get all the fucking information in the world they need without having recruiters passing them in the hallways between 3rd period and lunch.

And you want to know where else they can get information about the military in San Francisco? Try one very large military cemetary just south of the city between the two highways on the peninsula. Try the Presidio. Try walking downtown during Fleet Week. They've got information sources coming out of their asses--they don't need recruiters in the schools.

So the only place kids can learn about military service is from a recruiter in their schools? They can't go, you know, online to one of the armed services websites? They can't go to the local mall and visit the recruiting station? They can't pick up a goddamn phone and dial the number to a local recruiter? Gee--seems to me like they can get all the fucking information in the world they need without having recruiters passing them in the hallways between 3rd period and lunch.

And you want to know where else they can get information about the military in San Francisco? Try one very large military cemetary just south of the city between the two highways on the peninsula. Try the Presidio. Try walking downtown during Fleet Week. They've got information sources coming out of their asses--they don't need recruiters in the schools.

Not to mention that HUGE naval base, in Alameda [/Star Trek]

Not to mention that HUGE naval base, in Alameda [/Star Trek]
Where they keep the nuclear wessels?

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And without recuiters in schools kids will never hear about the military...accept with toy soldiers, movies, tv advertising, billboards...

and you want kids to base their decisions about military service on Commando, Cadence, Platoon, Hamburger Hill, Guns of Naverone etc. rather than (at least slightly more) real information?

But they haven't banned military recruiters all together, just in schools. I could understand that if they said there could be no recruiting within city limits...

Federal funds pay for almost 4/5's of most cities educational systems. While the cities may well own the buildings (paid for with federal grants) only a very small portion of their operations are paid for by the citizens. They of course should have the right to ban who they like from the schools, but I can find no legitimate reason their local government can initiate a political attack against the part of the US government that ensures that have and maintain that right.
If SF feels that it can support it's population without the benefit of the US government, then by all means they should be able too. But they should not be able to pick and choose what parts they want to keep and what parts should go. Their short sightedness should, and will result in an Exodus not seen since.....hahahha Houston! (cracked my own shit up there)

Now having said this, maybe I should re-think it all. I rather like the idea of San Francisco being contained in a known area now that i think about it. :D

and you want kids to base their decisions about military service on Commando, Cadence, Platoon, Hamburger Hill, Guns of Naverone etc. rather than (at least slightly more) real information?
There's always fleet week.

Not to mention that HUGE naval base, in Alameda [/Star Trek]
Ummm that base has been closed since around '97

There's always fleet week.
And as I mentioned above, there's the internet, the telephone, visiting a recruiting station--lots of places to get information straight from the source without the source having to go to the schools.

Ummm that base has been closed since around '97

Thank you Mr. Can't take a joke man...

And as I mentioned above, there's the internet, the telephone, visiting a recruiting station--lots of places to get information straight from the source without the source having to go to the schools.
Why is it you wish to limit the availability to optain information? Why do you object to recruiters in high schools?

Isn't information a good thing? What about information about condoms/contraception/abortions? Want to limit access to that? After all, that information is readily accessable in other places.

So, Sick Nightmares, did you come up with this on your own, or are you just parroting Bill O'Reilly?
Cute. did you get that from Daily Kos?

Cute. did you get that from Daily Kos?


Oooo, a quip followed by a quip, how original!

Schools should not have to put with discriminatory proselytising on their property. San Francisco is right about this - either the military complies with the standards of the community it wishes to recruit in, or it gets booted. It can suit itself, because apparently a large part of SF's population isn't "worthy" of offering it protection, anyway.

Man I hate you. Why don't you go spread your vitriol over at free republic, where it belongs?:rolleyes:

Get over it! Do you live in San Francisco? I'll bet you don't. The citizens of that city pay taxes too. It's not like they voted to become a separate country, they just cast votes to enact laws that a majority (and from what I understand it was a big majority at that) wants. Don't like it? Don't live there. Pretty much the same goes for the rest of the country, which is why you'll never catch me renting an apartment in Dallas, or Kansas City.
Wait. You hate me and want me to leave? How will I ever express the sadness in my suicide note?

Dear cruel world,

Some bleeding heart liberal fuck with no idea what the fuck he's talking about insulted me on the net. Sorry about the mess. Please feed my dog.

Cute. did you get that from Daily Kos?

Bill O'Reilly and the Daily Kos, two thing I cann't stand :headbang:

I suppose then it would make sense if the federal government did not support the schools that banned recruiters, although I still don't think it makes sense to stop supporting them entirely. And if that did happen, SF probably would reverse its decision. I'm not actually sure how I would vote on the issue were it before me, although I understand both sides of the argument.

Why is it you wish to limit the availability to optain information? Why do you object to recruiters in high schools?

Isn't information a good thing? What about information about condoms/contraception/abortions? Want to limit access to that? After all, that information is readily accessable in other places.
Here's the very significant difference. In the military, especially under this current political authority, you run a really good risk of either dying or getting a limb or limbs blown off. When you are supposed to be spending time trying to pass a math test, you don't need to have recruiters--who are the moral equivalent of used car salesmen when it comes to their pitches--trying to convince you that not only can you join the army and not be sent into battle, but that you'll have tons of benefits that will somehow never materialize later, or will materialize in such a limited fashion that you'll never be able to make use of them.

Information about sexual safety, however, is of vital importance, because it helps keep kids from being pregnant too young, from gving birth at too early an age, and aids in their ability to continue to college, where they can get an education that leads to a good job and keeps them out of the economic underclass and out of a life of crime/welfare/etc.

Wait. You hate me and want me to leave? How will I ever express the sadness in my suicide note?

Dear cruel world,

Some bleeding heart liberal fuck with no idea what the fuck he's talking about insulted me on the net. Sorry about the mess. Please feed my dog.

Where did I ever ask you to commit suicide?(not that I'd miss you, or even think it was a bad idea)

And as I mentioned above, there's the internet, the telephone, visiting a recruiting station--lots of places to get information straight from the source without the source having to go to the schools.
Right, where they can get such wonderful information from such informed and obviously unbiased sources such as you and Unabashed greed. We'd all be fucked inside of 5 years.

Where did I ever ask you to commit suicide?(not that I'd miss you, or even think it was a bad idea)
Don't cross any lines...keep it light.

Schools should not have to put with discriminatory proselytising on their property. San Francisco is right about this - either the military complies with the standards of the community it wishes to recruit in, or it gets booted. It can suit itself, because apparently a large part of SF's population isn't "worthy" of offering it protection, anyway.
Does EVERYTHING on this forum have to be about gay people Fass? And incidentily, since you brought it up. If you joined the military, who would you shower with?

Right, where they can get such wonderful information from such informed and obviously unbiased sources such as you and Unabashed greed. We'd all be fucked inside of 5 years.
Well, you'd have to find someone willing to fuck you first, but...

if you'd read my earlier post on the subject, instead of replying in Freeper, you'd have seen that I referred specifically to the military websites--going to the source--or calling recruiting stations--again, going to the source--or visiting recruiting stations--again, going to the source.

I can always count on you to bring a special level of inanity to any conversation.

Right, where they can get such wonderful information from such informed and obviously unbiased sources such as you and Unabashed greed. We'd all be fucked inside of 5 years.
Why is Unabashed Greed giving info out at the recuiting station? You are reading peoples whole posts, aren't you? You know, rif and all...

Well, you'd have to find someone willing to fuck you first, but...

if you'd read my earlier post on the subject, instead of replying in Freeper, you'd have seen that I referred specifically to the military websites--going to the source--or calling recruiting stations--again, going to the source--or visiting recruiting stations--again, going to the source.

I can always count on you to bring a special level of inanity to any conversation.
Back to beating me to the punch again...ah, memories....

Does EVERYTHING on this forum have to be about gay people Fass? And incidentily, since you brought it up.

This is to a large part about that, if I understood the debate that preceeded this. SF is a very, very gay friendly city (for being in the US), and it's nice to see them not have to put up with the discriminatory policies of this organisation any longer.

If you joined the military, who would you shower with?

The other men and women. Like people in the military do.

Right, where they can get such wonderful information from such informed and obviously unbiased sources such as you and Unabashed greed. We'd all be fucked inside of 5 years.

[throwing water at the gorilla]

Personally, I'm a lover not a fighter ;) And, being "fucked" all comes down to perception. I don't really think I'd mind terribly if the U.S. Government fell. The only thing that history really teaches is that the world changes.

[/throwing water at the gorilla]

Does EVERYTHING on this forum have to be about gay people Fass? And incidentily, since you brought it up. If you joined the military, who would you shower with?
In this instance, though, it's very relivent. I don't care how it's spelled...

Here's the very significant difference. In the military, especially under this current political authority, you run a really good risk of either dying or getting a limb or limbs blown off. When you are supposed to be spending time trying to pass a math test, you don't need to have recruiters--who are the moral equivalent of used car salesmen when it comes to their pitches--trying to convince you that not only can you join the army and not be sent into battle, but that you'll have tons of benefits that will somehow never materialize later, or will materialize in such a limited fashion that you'll never be able to make use of them.

Information about sexual safety, however, is of vital importance, because it helps keep kids from being pregnant too young, from gving birth at too early an age, and aids in their ability to continue to college, where they can get an education that leads to a good job and keeps them out of the economic underclass and out of a life of crime/welfare/etc.
Most of this post of yours is total BS, such as the image of a recruiter standing over some kids shoulder yelling JOIN NOW while he's taking a test, so I'll leave it to it's own uselessness.

But I'd like to look at the piece of shit opinion you have that recruiters tell people that they won't go to war. For your information, my wife just joined the Airforce, and they told her without her asking that there's a 100% chance she will go to Baghdad if she chooses one of the jobs she wants. What a conniving weasel, huh?

The other men and women. Like people in the military do.
Damnit Fass! You were supposed to say "The seamen" ;)

Most of this post of yours is total BS, such as the image of a recruiter standing over some kids shoulder yelling JOIN NOW while he's taking a test, so I'll leave it to it's own uselessness.

But I'd like to look at the piece of shit opinion you have that recruiters tell people that they won't go to war. For your information, my wife just joined the Airforce, and they told her without her asking that there's a 100% chance she will go to Baghdad if she chooses one of the jobs she wants. What a conniving weasel, huh?

Good for her! A voluteer military is a great thing. Personally, both my father and uncle were in the airforce during Vietnam, and my grandfather was in the navy during WWII (my great grandfather was a doughboy in WWI too, but he died), and they ALL discouraged me from enlisting when I asked about it. I took their advice, and I'm glad I did.

Damnit Fass! You were supposed to say "The seamen" ;)

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't like the sea all that much. Anyhoo, you do know that everyone showers together in the military, no? And that it's basically only in the US that gays are banned from serving?

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't like the sea all that much. Anyhoo, you do know that everyone showers together in the military, no? And that it's basically only in the US that gays are banned from serving?
I was just joking with ya! ;) You know what seamen also means in America, right?

I was just joking with ya! ;) You know what seamen also means in America, right?

Seamen. (http://www.webster.com/dictionary/seamen)
Semen. (http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=semen)

Good for her! A voluteer military is a great thing. Personally, both my father and uncle were in the airforce during Vietnam, and my grandfather was in the navy during WWII (my great grandfather was a doughboy in WWI too, but he died), and they ALL discouraged me from enlisting when I asked about it. I took their advice, and I'm glad I did.
I appreciate you being respectful when it comes to my wife. I just gained large amounts of respect for you.

I have heard both sides of the "To enlist or not" argument from service members. Some hated it, and some can't live without it. But it's their choice, which , I guess, is the most important of all.

Most of this post of yours is total BS, such as the image of a recruiter standing over some kids shoulder yelling JOIN NOW while he's taking a test, so I'll leave it to it's own uselessness.

But I'd like to look at the piece of shit opinion you have that recruiters tell people that they won't go to war. For your information, my wife just joined the Airforce, and they told her without her asking that there's a 100% chance she will go to Baghdad if she chooses one of the jobs she wants. What a conniving weasel, huh?
Way to read something that isn't there into a post, while simultaneously ignoring the most important part of it, namely, that students have a wide array of biased--biased toward the military, that is--sources for information. It's not like anyone is suggesting that recruiters be thrown out of the City, or that they not be allowed to approach young people elsewhere.

And why do you have such a beef with this anyway? Are you afraid that if the recruiters don't get to talk to high-schoolers that your President won't have enough fresh bodies to toss into the meat-grinder? Why do they have to be able to approach kids while they're in school, where they should be focusing on their educations instead of the potential of death and/or dismemberment?

*awaits Freeper response, which will make absolutely no sense*

Way to read something that isn't there into a post, while simultaneously ignoring the most important part of it, namely, that students have a wide array of biased--biased toward the military, that is--sources for information. It's not like anyone is suggesting that recruiters be thrown out of the City, or that they not be allowed to approach young people elsewhere.

And why do you have such a beef with this anyway? Are you afraid that if the recruiters don't get to talk to high-schoolers that your President won't have enough fresh bodies to toss into the meat-grinder? Why do they have to be able to approach kids while they're in school, where they should be focusing on their educations instead of the potential of death and/or dismemberment?

*awaits Freeper response, which will make absolutely no sense*
No Freeper response here. Just this. Your bias is showing to a point that I am quitting the argument, because if I keep listening to your "The president's meatgrinder" crap, I'm gonna need that suicide note. You win. Your right, I'm wrong. YAY San Fran.

Seamen. (http://www.webster.com/dictionary/seamen)
Semen. (http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=semen)
;)

Get worked up all you want about the vote here in San Francisco, the city in which I happen to live smack dab in the middle of.

Making it mandatory for owners to sterilize Pit Bulls will not lead the breed - it's not a species, by the way - into extinction. For that matter, Pit Bulls, like nearly every breed of dog in the US today, didn't occur naturally. They were bred by human beings who selected the traits they preferred the dogs to have. Did I vote for it? Yes. Do I know any Pit Bulls? Yes, and the ones I know are great dogs and I enjoy their company and enjoy visiting with them. Their owners are responsible people who have trained them correctly and, as a result, they're well behaved dogs around whom I am very comfortable. The one I'm thinking of in particular is a total sweetheart named Buster who collapses at your feet and stares back at you with big, puppydog eyes. Nonetheless, we've had a high number of Pit Bull attacks in this city and the owners of those dogs are very often irresponsible. I had no qualms about voting yes.

I also voted to keep military recruiters out of San Francisco schools. I don't think the military belongs in public schools, but I do believe the military offers plenty of benefits for many kids. The military has plenty of opportunities to reach potential recruits, and they don't need to be in the public schools. Recruiting is down all over because nobody wants to go to Iraq. This vote was purely editorial. The city cannot determine federal policy, but it was a good way to get a point across to the feds. The majority of San Franciscans oppose the war. This is a democracy. We get to do things like that. Deal with it.

Is the US obliged to defend San Francisco? Of course it is. Are we obliged to support our government with tax dollars, and participation in the governing process? Of course we are.

You don't like how we vote here? Then stay away. You can keep all the dipshit places like Kansas - where they mandated the teaching of Intelligent Design - or Mississippi or Florida or Texas - where people aren't allowed to think for themselves, and where those who do are regarded suspiciously.

America's a big place, and provided that Bush and his cronies don't erode our political process or civil rights any further than they have already, there's plenty of room for differing opinions.

You'll simply have to adjust.

;)

I was just demonstrating that I was aware of the words being homophones. Now, how many times would you wager that I have heard this same attempt at humour?

Forgive me for not busting a stitch, and, please, no puns on "homophone."

No Freeper response here. Just this. Your bias is showing to a point that I am quitting the argument, because if I keep listening to your "The president's meatgrinder" crap, I'm gonna need that suicide note. You win. Your right, I'm wrong. YAY San Fran.

If I knew that that was all it was going to take I would have done it myself! Way to go! I'm glad you're finally seeing the light...

Oh wait. You're being sarcastic aren't you. Damn! That was sooo hard to see, you're waaay too clever.

[/sarcasm]

Get worked up all you want about the vote here in San Francisco, the city in which I happen to live smack dab in the middle of.

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What part of the city? I lived in the Excelsior for almost two years--one of the best experiences of my life.

please, no puns on "homophone."
Damnit! *deletes last post*

If I knew that that was all it was going to take I would have done it myself! Way to go! I'm glad you're finally seeing the light...

Oh wait. You're being sarcastic aren't you. Damn! That was sooo hard to see, you're waaay too clever.

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Now THAT was witty!:rolleyes:

Now THAT was witty!:rolleyes:

No, THAT was witty. You didn't even have to type more than four words too!

Cute. did you get that from Daily Kos?
Sorry, I don't bother to read Kos as I dislike extream left and right.

However, I DO keep track of the San Francisco Chronicle over here for news the Japan Times and my hometown (Nevada) paper doesn't carry.

And the Chronicle was more than slighly amused (and San Francisco more than a little annoyed) by Bill's comments.

And I also know from your previous comments that you're a regular follower of Fox News.

So it was an easy deduction, and my question is still open.

What part of the city? I lived in the Excelsior for almost two years--one of the best experiences of my life.

Nob Hill.

Nob Hill.Ah. Never could have afforded that neighborhood. Hell, I could hardly afford the Excelsior.

Sorry, I don't bother to read Kos as I dislike extream left and right.

However, I DO keep track of the San Francisco Chronicle over here for news the Japan Times and my hometown (Nevada) paper doesn't carry.

And the Chronicle was more than slighly amused (and San Francisco more than a little annoyed) by Bill's comments.

And I also know from your previous comments that you're a regular follower of Fox News.

So it was an easy deduction, and my question is still open.
The view is my own.
I watch O'Reilly because he and I share a lot of the same views on certain subjects. Does that mean I parrot him. If it does, then everyone who agrees with someone else is a parrot, no?

The view is my own.
I watch O'Reilly because he and I share a lot of the same views on certain subjects. Does that mean I parrot him. If it does, then everyone who agrees with someone else is a parrot, no?

That's it, from now on I'm calling you "Polly"!

That's it, from now on I'm calling you "Polly"!
Funny as a heart attack. :rolleyes:

Funny as a heart attack. :rolleyes:
I'm laughing.

Yet another reason why it is a good thing that I'm not president and commander-in-chief. If I were, I would close every single military base and re-assign every single full time military person in the bay area. When the giant earthquake hit, I would NOT nationalize any national guardsmen in the area either. I'd tell SF and Calif. to deal with it with no assistance from the US military. They don't want us, we're gone. Bye! deal with it yourselves. If they got by, bully for them. If not, they have reaped what they have sown.

If the military is not wanted there, they should leave and let SF fend for itself.

On the other issues raised:

Sterilization of Pit Bulls, what a dumb ass idea!

On the gun ban, I'm glad to know that only criminals will be allowed to have guns there. It will make them easier to spot. And when the looter and rioter appear at your doorstep, I'm sure you'll be glad you can't shoot at them and make them leave. Clearly it is better to let them pillage your home and business and rape you and/or your spouse and children than it is to drive them away at gunpoint. Self-Defense, what a stupid fucking concept. Law abiding, responsible people don't need guns for that. Only crooks need guns and since this law ensure they can have them and reasonable people can't, then the right thing has been done. Reasonable people only need to reason with the criminals and they'll see the error of their ways.

Once again, proof that California is the land of fruits and nuts.

You'll simply have to adjust.

That is just like San Francisco. You shoot yourselves in the foot, have no idea as to what you have done to yourselves, insult everyone else and expect us to adjust to your limp. Geez
As I said earlier, as far as I am concerned you have the right to do as you wish, but I dont believe you have the right to pick and choose which parts of this country you choose to participate. You don't want the military in your schools thats fine. Pay for them yourselves and best of luck to you. Personally I wouldn't allow a military person within a mile of the San Franciso city limits, unless of course and god forbid someone attacked our border. That of course would have to be protected. Come to think of it, San Franciso would make a dandy battleground. (wonders how many military strategists are thinking the same thing in a worst case scenairo?)
As far as not coming there. No problem what so ever. My company dumped Douglas & Sturgess today. Granted it's only a couple of million per year in gross sales but I bet there are thousands of us dipshits that are going to send you an editoral right back. So think freely, fly high, fly alone and remember not to whine when the rest of the country thinks freely in return.

I'm laughing.
You would.

Yet another reason why it is a good thing that I'm not president and commander-in-chief. If I were, I would close every single military base and re-assign every single full time military person in the bay area. When the giant earthquake hit, I would NOT nationalize any national guardsmen in the area either. I'd tell SF and Calif. to deal with it with no assistance from the US military. They don't want us, we're gone. Bye! deal with it yourselves. If they got by, bully for them. If not, they have reaped what they have sown.

If the military is not wanted there, they should leave and let SF fend for itself.-snip the rest, cause-
As long as we are also no longer footing the bill as well...

I'm well aware of it. There are alot of people who would vote to let the Pope dictate American policy, so do you agree with that too?

I really hope you people realize that the United States is a Representative Democracy. Direct votes by the citizens of the country (usually) only occur when the representation in local, state, or federal governments cannot come to a decision about an issue that needs to be decided. It also occurs when the issues have a lot of parts that could gain and lose votes within the mind of the same voter depending on whether or not it's an election year, opponents in election, etc. But the main point is that even if 55 percent of the country voted to be ruled by the pope, it's not going to happen because things like that have to be ratified BY the Congresses anyway, and even with a ratification it can be overturned by any state, circuit, or federal court. One thing that pisses me off about San Fransisco and the Ninth Circuit court is that there is not a single person knows Constitutional law. To ban military recruiters from school and not allow the word "God" to be said in the pledge in those schools? That's just a piss poor excuse for a community.