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66 Questions and Answers on the "Holocaust"(copy and paste this to other forums)



1. What proof exists that the Nazis killed six million Jews?
None. All we have is postwar testimony, mostly of individual "survivors." This testimony is contradictory, and very few claim to have actually witnessed any "gassing." There are no contemporaneous documents or hard evidence: no mounds of ashes, no crematories capable of disposing of millions of corpses, no "human soap," no lamp shades made of human skin, and no credible demographic statistics.

2. What evidence exists that six million Jews were not killed by the Nazis?
Extensive forensic, demographic, analytical and comparative evidence demonstrates the impossibility of such a figure. The widely repeated "six million" figure is an irresponsible exaggeration.

3. Did Simon Wiesenthal state in writing that "there were no extermination camps on German soil"?
Yes. The famous "Nazi hunter" wrote this in Stars and Stripes, Jan. 24, 1993. He also claimed that "gassings" ofJews took place only in Poland.

4. If Dachau was in Germany, and even Wiesenthal says that it was not an extermination camp, why do many American veterans say it was an extermination camp?
After the Allies captured Dachau, many GIs and others were led through the camp and shown a building alleged to have been a "gas chamber." The mass media widely, but falsely, continues to assert that Dachau was a "gassing" camp.

5. What about Auschwitz? Is there any proof that gas chambers were used to kill people there?
No. Auschwitz, captured by the Soviets, was modified after the war, and a room was reconstructed to look like a large "gas chamber." After America?s leading expert on gas chamber construction and design, Fred Leuchter,examined this and other alleged Auschwitz gassing facilities, he stated that it was an "absurdity" to claim that they were, or could have been, used for executions.

6. If Auschwitz wasn?t a "death camp," what was its true purpose?
It was an internment center and part of a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic fuel was produced there, and its inmates were used as a workforce.

7. Who set up the first concentration camps?
During the Boer War (1899-1902), the British set up what they called "concentration camps" in South Africa to hold Afrikaner women and children. Approximately 30,000 died in these hell-holes, which were as terrible as German concentration camps of World War II.

8. How did German concentration camps differ from American "relocation" camps in which Japanese-Americans were interned during WWII?
The only significant difference was that the Germans interned persons on the basis of being real or suspected security threats to the German war effort, whereas the Roosevelt administration interned persons on the basis of race alone.

9. Why did the German government intern Jews in camps?
It considered Jews a direct threat to national security. (Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Communist subversion.) However, all suspected security risks ? not just Jews ? were in danger of internment.

10. What hostile measure did world Jewry undertake against Germany as early as 1933?
In March 1933, international Jewish organizations declared an international boycott of German goods.

11. Did the Jews of the world "declare war on Germany"?
Yes. Newspapers around the world reported this. A front-page headline in the London Daily Express (March 24,1933), for example, announced "Judea Declares War on Germany."

12. Was this before or after the "death camp" stories began?
This was years before the "death camp" stories, which began in 1941-1942.

13. What nation is credited with being the first to practice mass civilian bombing?
Britain? on May 11, 1940.

14. How many "gas chambers" to kill people were there at Auschwitz?
None.

15. How many Jews were living in the areas that came under German control during the war?
Fewer than six million.

16. If the Jews of Europe were not exterminated by the Nazis, what happened to them?
After the war millions of Jews were still alive in Europe. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps as many as one and a half million) had died of all causes during the war. Others had emigrated to Palestine, the United States, and other countries. Still more Jews left Europe after the war.

17. How many Jews fled or were evacuated to deep within the Soviet Union?
More than two million fled or were evacuated by the Soviets in 1941-1942. These Jews thus never came under German control.

18. How many Jews emigrated from Europe prior to the war, thus putting them outside of German reach?
Perhaps a million (not including those absorbed by the USSR).

19. If Auschwitz was not an extermination camp, why did the commandant, Rudolf Hoess, confess that it was?
He was tortured by British military police, as one of his interrogators later admitted.

20. Is there any evidence of American, British and Soviet policy to torture German prisoners in order to exact "confessions" for use at the trials at Nuremberg and elsewhere?
Yes. Torture was extensively used to produce fraudulent "evidence" for the infamous Nuremberg trials, and in other postwar "war crimes" trials.

21. How does the Holocaust story benefit Jews today?
It helps protect Jews as a group from criticism. As a kind of secular religion, it provides an emotional bond between Jews and their leaders. It is a powerful tool in Jewish money-raising campaigns, and is used to justify US aid to Israel.

22. How does it benefit the State of Israel?
It justifies the billions of dollars in "reparations" Germany has paid to Israel and many individual "survivors." It is used by the Zionist/Israeli lobby to dictate a pro-Israel American foreign policy in the Middle East, and to force American taxpayer aid to Israel, totaling billions of dollars per year.

23. How is it used by many Christian clergymen?
The Holocaust story is cited to justify the Old Testament notion of Jews as a holy and eternally persecuted "Chosen People."

24. How did it benefit the Communists?
It diverted attention from Soviet war mongering and atrocities before, during and after the Second World War.

25. How does it benefit Britain?
In much the same way it benefited the Soviet Union.

26. Is there any evidence that Hitler ordered mass extermination of Jews?
No.

27. What kind of gas was used in German wartime concentration camps?
Hydrocyanic gas from "Zyklon B," a commercial pesticide that was widely used throughout Europe.

28. For what purpose was "Zyklon B" manufactured?
It was a pesticide used to fumigate clothing and quarters to kill typhus-bearing lice and other pests.

29. Was this product suitable for mass extermination?
No. If the Nazis had intended to use poison gas to exterminate people, far more efficient products were available. Zyklon is a slow-acting fumigation agent.

30. How long does it take to ventilate an area after fumigation with Zyklon B?
Normally about 20 hours. The whole procedure is very complicated and dangerous. Gas masks must be used, and only trained technicians are employed.

31. Auschwitz commandant Hoess said that his men would enter the "gas chambers" to remove bodies ten minutes after the victims had died. How do you explain this?
It can?t be explained because had they done so they would have suffered the same fate as the "gassing" victims.

32. Hoess said in his "confession" that his men would smoke cigarettes as they pulled bodies out of gas chambers, ten minutes after gassing. Isn?t Zyklon B explosive?
Yes. The Hoess confession is obviously false.

33. What was the exact procedure the Nazis allegedly used to exterminate Jews?
The stories range from dropping gas canisters into a crowded room from a hole in the ceiling, to piping gas through shower heads, to "steam chambers," to "electrocution" machinery. Millions are alleged to have been killed in these ways.

34. How could a mass extermination program have been kept secret from those who were scheduled to be killed?
It couldn?t have been kept secret. The fact is that there were no mass gassings. The extermination storiesoriginated as wartime atrocity propaganda.

35. If Jews scheduled for execution knew the fate in store for them, why did they go along with the Germans without resisting?
They didn?t fight back because they did not believe there was any intention to kill them.

36. About how many Jews died in the concentration camps?
Competent estimates range from about 300,000 to 500,000.

37. How did they die?
Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn Europe during the war, as well as from starvation and lack of medical attention during the final months of the conflict, when virtually all road and rail transportation had been bombed out by the Allies.

38. What is typhus?
This disease always appears when many people are jammed together under unsanitary conditions. It is carried by lice that infest hair and clothes. Ironically, if the Germans had used more Zyklon B, more Jews might have survived the camps.

39. What is the difference if six million or 300,000 Jews died during the Second World War?
5,700,000.

40. Some Jewish "death camp" survivors say they saw bodies being dumped into pits and burned. How much fuel would have been required for this?
A great deal more than the Germans had access to, as there was a substantial fuel shortage during the war.

41. Can bodies be burned in pits?
No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by flames in this manner because of lack of oxygen.

42. Holocaust historians claim that the Nazis were able to cremate bodies in about ten minutes. How long does it take to incinerate one body, according to professional crematory operators?
About an hour and a half, although the larger bones require further processing afterwards.

43. Why did the German concentration camps have crematory ovens?
To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses of those who had died.

44. Given a 100 percent duty cycle of all the crematories in all the camps in German-controlled territory, what is the maximum number of corpses it would have been possible to incinerate during the entire period such crematories were in operation?
About 430,600.

45. Can a crematory oven be operated 100 percent of the time?
No. Fifty percent of the time is a generous estimate (12 hours per day). Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly when in heavy operation.

46. How much ash is left from a cremated corpse?
After the bone is all ground down, about a shoe box full.

47. If six million people had been incinerated by the Nazis, what happened to the ashes?
That remains to be "explained." Six million bodies would have produced many tons of ashes, yet there is no evidence of any large ash depositories.

48. Do Allied wartime aerial reconnaissance photos of Auschwitz (taken during the period when the "gas chambers" and crematoria were supposedly in full operation) show evidence of extermination?
No. In fact, these photographs do not even reveal a trace of the enormous amount of smoke that supposedly was constantly over the camp, nor do they show evidence of the "open pits" in which bodies were allegedly burned.

49. What was the main provision of the German "Nuremberg Laws" of 1935?
They forbid marriage and sexual relations between Germans and Jews, similar to laws existing in Israel today.

50. Were there any American precedents for the Nuremberg Laws?
Years before Hitler?s Third Reich, most states in the USA had enacted laws prohibiting marriage between personsof different races.

51. What did the International Red Cross have to report with regard to the "Holocaust" question?
An official report on the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in September 1944 pointed out that internees were permitted to receive packages, and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified.

52. What was the role of the Vatican during the time six million Jews were allegedly being exterminated?
If there had been an extermination plan, the Vatican would most certainly have been in a position to know about it. But because there was none, the Vatican had no reason to speak out against it, and didn?t.

53. What evidence is there that Hitler knew of an on-going Jewish extermination program?
None.

54. Did the Nazis and the Zionists collaborate?
As early as 1933, Hitler?s government signed an agreement with the Zionists permitting Jews to emigrate fromGermany to Palestine, taking large amounts of capital with them.

55. How did Anne Frank die?
After surviving internment in Auschwitz, she succumbed to typhus in the Bergen-Belsen camp, just a few weeks before the end of the war. She was not gassed.

56. Is the Anne Frank Diary genuine?
No. Evidence compiled by Dr. Robert Faurisson of France establishes that the famous diary is a literary hoax.

57. What about the familiar photographs and film footage taken in the liberated German camps showing piles of emaciated corpses? Are these faked?
Photographs can be faked, but it?s far easier merely to add a misleading caption to a photo or - negro messageary to apiece of footage. Piles of emaciated corpses do not mean that these people were "gassed" or deliberately starved to death. Actually, these were tragic victims of raging epidemics or of starvation due to a lack of food in the camps toward the end of the war.

58. Who originated the term "genocide"?
Raphael Lemkin, a Polish Jew, in a book published in 1944.

59. Are films such as "Schindler?s List" or "The Winds of War" documentaries?
No. Such films are fictional dramatizations loosely based on history. Unfortunately, all too many people accept them as accurate historical representations.

60. How many books have been published that refute some aspect of the standard "Holocaust" story?
Dozens. More are in production.

61. What happened when the Institute for Historical Review offered $50,000 to anyone who could prove that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz?
No proof was submitted as a claim on the reward, but the Institute was sued for $17 million by former Auschwitz inmate Mel Mermelstein, who claimed that the reward offer caused him to lose sleep and his business to suffer, and represented "injurious denial of established fact."

62. What about the charge that those who question the Holocaust story are merely anti-Semitic or neo-Nazi?
This is a smear designed to draw attention away from facts and honest arguments. Scholars who refute Holocaust story claims are of all persuasions and ethnic-religious backgrounds (including Jewish). There is no correlation between "Holocaust" refutation and anti-Semitism or neo-Nazism. Increasing numbers of Jewish scholars openly admit the lack of evidence for key Holocaust claims.

63. What has happened to "revisionist" historians who have challenged the Holocaust story?
They have been subjected to smear campaigns, loss of academic positions, loss of pensions, destruction of their property and physical violence.

64. Has the Institute for Historical Review suffered any retaliation for its efforts to uphold the right of freedom of speech and academic freedom?
The IHR had been bombed three times, and was completely destroyed on July 4, 1984, in a criminal arson attack. Numerous death threats by telephone have been received. Media coverage of the IHR has been overwhelmingly hostile.

65. Why is there so little publicity for the revisionist view?
Because for political reasons the Establishment does not want any in-depth discussion about the facts surrounding the Holocaust story.

66. Where can I get more information about the "other side" of the Holocaust story, as well as facts concerning other aspects of World War II historical revisionism?
The Institute for Historical Review, P.O. Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659, carries a wide variety of books, cassette and video tapes on significant historical subjects.

Aka 66 ways how to look like a neo-Nazi.

No flaming please. Denying the halocaust does not make one an anit-semite or a "neo-nazi"

No flaming please. Denying the halocaust does not make one an anit-semite or a "neo-nazi"
Are you fucking joking?

No flaming please. Denying the halocaust does not make one an anit-semite or a "neo-nazi"
No, but claiming simultaneous Russian and American conspiracies about making gas chambers exist does a good job of it.

This thread is a trolling thread. There is no debate held with evidence and counter evidence produced that could make your point about the existance or inexistance of the Holocaust. It is just a bunch of plagiarized material (which is agianst forum rules by itself) posted to deny the Holocaust. it should be locked for multiple reasons.

Are you fucking joking?

i dont think (he/she/it) is.

67. Does denying the Holocaust have anything in common with anti-Semitism?

No! In fact, while a great many holocaust deniers are anti-semites, and while the theory does entail a global conspiracy begun by Jews to smear the basically innocent Nazis of WWII with unjust claims of being somehow cruel, and while we tend to believe that the Jews are in control of the world's media, business and most governments, it's just a coincidence and in fact we are just unbiased truth-seekers who happen to be blessed with unvarnished, factual information which proves how evil the Jews really are. Not that we have anything against them.

Wonderful first post. I'm so glad you opened my eyes to the wonderful ideas the Nazis had and what great policies they enacted. We were so wrong to put a stop to their reign. *hangs head in shame*


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No flaming please. Denying the halocaust does not make one an anit-semite or a "neo-nazi"
Why should you consider being a Nazi flaming? Oh, I know, it's because they're a load of Racially Supremecist Bigots.

You're late Strasse. All the Nazis left NationStates over a year ago.

No, but claiming simultaneous Russian and American conspiracies about making gas chambers exist does a good job of it.
And there was me thinking it was Krupps.

This thread is a trolling thread. There is no debate held with evidence and counter evidence produced that could make your point about the existance or inexistance of the Holocaust. It is just a bunch of plagiarized material (which is agianst forum rules by itself) posted to deny the Holocaust. it should be locked for multiple reasons.
No argument with that. Can mods ban people as well as locking threads?

Funny how none of you actually really read the post.



And this information could be credited to The Institute for Historical Review

WOw no flaming? Maybe instead of putting up flamebait and then saying "no flaiming" thoust shouldst think of whether his thread is flamebait in the first place. You gonna get what you asked for, and your intention was flaming. Anyhow, I really do not give a crap whether the holocaust happened or did not. As I see it, it probably did, these questions try to turn America and Britain into the worse nations ever more than it tries to show facts on why the holocaust did not happen. So..with that I take my leave good sir, if there is a God, I hope you meet him. If there is not, I hope your genetic material is never passed on.

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Funny how none of you actually really read the post.



And this information could be credited to The Institute for Historical Review

i read the first 10. if would have read more if it was worth reading...

Funny how none of you actually really read the post.



And this information could be credited to The Institute for Historical Review
I actually read the post. It was not funny. What exactly are you trying to prove with this thread?

This testimony is contradictory, and very few claim to have actually witnessed any "gassing."
Witnessing a gassing tends to be fatal.

I didn't bother to reading any further - I know how many members of my own family died then (my father's side of the family were German Jews), and it seems unlikely that they were singled out from all the Jews in Germany.

Funny how none of you actually really read the post.



And this information could be credited to The Institute for Historical Review
I've read all of that horseshit before.
I find it offensive that anybody with the motor skills necessary to use a keyboard could ever take any of it seriously, to be honest.

And this information could be credited to The Institute for Historical Review
An anti-semetic group, not an educational institute.
These are the kind of people who would pay me five bucks a pop for tinfoil, anti-Jew-wave hats.

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Yes, and the Kristalnacht was just a HUGE misunderstanding.

I find it strange how neo-Nazis are intent on destroying Jews, blacks and non-Aryans, yet constantly deny the Holocaust. Shouldn't they be shouting their genocide from the rooftops?

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html

go here.

Slams every one of your points

Some info on the IHR

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/historical_review.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=3&item=ihr

Some quotes:

In a misguided bid to enlist mainstream historians to its cause, IHR obtained the 12,000-member mailing list of the Organization of American Historians, to which it sent copies of the Journal of Historical Review. The group also sent mailings to members of the American Historical Association and to subscribers of the scholarly journals Central European History and German Quarterly. Unsurprisingly, these efforts backfired: all of the organizations and journals repudiated IHR and promised to keep the group away from their mailing lists in the future. The Organization of American Historians went further, commissioning a study of IHR's materials. The results were damning, with a panel finding that the Journal of Historical Review was "nothing but a masquerade of scholarship."

At IHR's first conference in 1979, the group offered $50,000 to anyone "who could prove that the Nazis operated gas-chambers to exterminate Jews during World War II." Not content with announcing the "reward" among its own ranks, IHR also notified well-known Holocaust survivors and Jewish organizations. A California businessman, Mel Mermelstein, who was 17 when he was interned with his family at Auschwitz in 1944 (his mother and two sisters did not survive), and who later founded the Auschwitz Study Foundation, received the notice, signed by Lewis Brandon -- one of the pseudonyms used by David McCalden, IHR's first director. Mermelstein remitted a notarized statement describing his internment at Auschwitz and his own observation, on May 22, 1944, of his mother and two sisters being driven by Nazi guards toward what he later learned was gas chamber number five. He received no clear response to either his initial or follow-up inquiries, but started getting Holocaust-denying hate literature in his mail and was described as a "racist" in leaflets that were distributed in his neighborhood. He filed suit against IHR for breach of contract, libel, and intentional infliction of emotional distress early in 1981.

In a pre-trial determination, the court took judicial notice -- i.e., accepted as a well-known and indisputable fact -- that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz, and in July 1985 the lawsuit was settled in Mermelstein's favor. IHR was forced to pay the $50,000 reward as well as an additional $40,000 for pain and suffering. Under the terms of their agreement, IHR also issued Mermelstein a letter of apology.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html

go here.

Slams every one of your points


you deserve :fluffle: make that two :fluffle:

Post a source and maybe we won't laugh and call you a troll, n00b etc. anymore.

Preferably one we can link to. We're not about to go over to the local Barnes & Noble and look up the Racial Studies section or whatever.

I find it strange how neo-Nazis are intent on destroying Jews, blacks and non-Aryans, yet constantly deny the Holocaust. Shouldn't they be shouting their genocide from the rooftops?
It's not half as funny as the **** citing commentaries from the Auschwitz commandant about the gassings as proof that nothing happened.
If that weren't a joke only the damned could ever laugh at, I'd have wet myself by now.

The responses I admit do not surprise me. You watch some bullshit docudrama(such as schindlers list) and you take it for godgiven truth, or you hear a "testimony" from an old senile fool and believe his/her every word, still others choose to believe this because everyone else thinks it true; and to me this is sheep mentality, a sheep always goes according to its group because it is too weak to think for itself. Well if you all want to be sheep then its fine with me...

somehow, i feel the urge to point out that your post would be illegal in germany under paragraph 130 and that you'd get some serious fine for it. i shall keep quiet as to what i personally think about this, and you, lest i be warned/banned/deleted.

Funny how none of you actually really read the post.



And this information could be credited to The Institute for Historical Review
Oh sorry, I read it. Oh oh I got one!

Facts on "Strasse II"'s post on "Holocaust" from The Institute for Historical Review.. (p.s. Strasse I like how you do not say for which country)
1. Strasse II posted this with the expectation of no one flaming
2. The Doors Corp. has been noted for flaming, America sucks
3. Nazi Germany equal to Britain and America, if not better
4. America and Britain are bastards for doing what they did. I mean really making people go to interment camps just because of race???
5. Germany never made people go to interment camps with the goal to kill them, you douche bag, that was America and Britain.
6. Nazi Germany was trying to correct the wrongs of America and Britain, it was not fascist, racist, or world-power hungry.
7. Strasse II should be considered "The Enlightner" because he has brought us this most important information that will free us from the "facts" we once knew as "facts".
8. Jews..Hebrews..Israel whatever the hell you want to call them are bad, and they are not a race. SO therefore Nazi Germany did not intern them because of their race, like the bad Americans did with those Japanese
9. jews...bad..americans...bad...british..bad....Germans..poor fucks who deserve a break...Strasse II...one pounder.

The responses I admit do not surprise me. You watch some bullshit docudrama(such as schindlers list) and you take it for godgiven truth, or you hear a "testimony" from an old senile fool and believe his/her every word, still others choose to believe this because everyone else thinks it true; and to me this is sheep mentality, a sheep always goes according to its group because it is too weak to think for itself. Well if you all want to be sheep then its fine with me...

A group like... neo-Nazis?

Anyway, why should I even care whether it happened or not? It's still a good example of what not to do.

you deserve :fluffle: make that two :fluffle:

erm.

w00t?

A group like... neo-Nazis?

Anyway, why should I even care whether it happened or not? It's still a good example of what not to do.

I am not a neo-nazi. I am an individual. I dont need to belong in a group.

I am not a neo-nazi. I am an individual. I dont need to belong in a group.

You are an anti-semite. The two do not always go hand in hand.

You say that we shouldn't beleive the testimony of a 'few old fools', but isn't that actual, irrefutable proof of the holocaust?

The IHR have are weak..

The responses I admit do not surprise me. You watch some bullshit docudrama(such as schindlers list) and you take it for godgiven truth, or you hear a "testimony" from an old senile fool and believe his/her every word, still others choose to believe this because everyone else thinks it true; and to me this is sheep mentality, a sheep always goes according to its group because it is too weak to think for itself. Well if you all want to be sheep then its fine with me...
As opposed to reading a "historical review" like the one the IHR puts out, taking it for God-given truth, listening to the denials of equally as old and possibly senile fools and believing their every word, and choosing to believe it because a few others think it's true? Well, sir, if you want to be a sheep, that's fine with me, too.

The responses I admit do not surprise me. You watch some bullshit docudrama(such as schindlers list) and you take it for godgiven truth, or you hear a "testimony" from an old senile fool and believe his/her every word, still others choose to believe this because everyone else thinks it true; and to me this is sheep mentality, a sheep always goes according to its group because it is too weak to think for itself. Well if you all want to be sheep then its fine with me...

And your weak-sister protests about conspiracies and sheep just because you've failed to get your copy-n-paste nazi revisionist article to be taken as truth do not surprise me either. You copy-paste trolls tend not to be able to defend your positions, nor do you provide a position of your own - not that that stops you from demanding other people provide their own original positions! Because in your little world, hypocrites don't go to hell and nazis are the good guys. I would believe a senile old fool - oh and the US, UK and USSR and Nazi Germany's leadership itself - before I believed some self-righteous hypocrite who can't even take the shit he begs for people to throw in his mouth.

Funny how none of you actually really read the post.



And this information could be credited to The Institute for Historical Review
DISCLAMER: I am not anti-semetic, nor am I a neo-nazi, so, don't the rest of you get any ignorant ideas about me.

Now then...

I read it.

I disagree with MANY, if not almost all of elements presented, though the parts that pertain to the use of gas make sense, especially since most gasses are inflammable and in a contained area, don't vent properly.

Further, it is also a well-known fact that Germany didn't ration in the same fashion that the allied nations had during the war. And plus, they were much like the Soviets in another way - they brought the resources back home!

Though, there can't be denials about the treatment of Jews. There were reports that non-POW Jews were badly treated, while strangely, allied POW Jews weren't.

Next, how many of you can think of nations that didn't have their own internment camps?

The Americans had one, the Soviets had their share, so did the Canadians and the British and others. The Germans weren't the only ones. The Japanese, however, for the treatment of POWs were the worse.

For civilian treatment, I have to say that the Germans were the worse, given their treatment of the Jews that they interned.

However, I disagree with the holocaust denial. When a large population, based on race, or one uniting characteristic of that nature, is extermination en masse (like the Armenians, Ukranians), it's genocide.

Lastly, I think that some of you can't take everything literally.

After all, they didn't just gas Jews, they also put the Gypsies and Homos in the same gassin' chamber (hey, it saved time and money).

I do have some of my own questions. I don't deny the Holocaust, in factm I do believe that it happened, though, I question the statistics... After all, it wasn't just Jews who met their maker.

I don't doubt what happened, though my question is, how is it that they got such an even number like 6-million? Gassed/extermination en masse?

I'm just asking. After all, there were many that died from rampant disease brought on by extremely unsanitary conditions. Plus, in close quarters, communicatable disease does spread quickly.

If many corspses were rotting by the time the Allied Forces found them, did they go through and count?

Yes, countries kept records, but how up to date were these records?

I am not a neo-nazi. I am an individual. I dont need to belong in a group.
Sweet, you have realized that you can be independent. So am I, I do not need to belong in a group, but crap, people still identify me as part of a group. And I can still identify myself as part of a group. I am not a sheep, if anything I am the sniper 2k yards away in camo checking out what he would like for dinner.

You are an anti-semite. The two do not always go hand in hand.

You say that we shouldn't beleive the testimony of a 'few old fools', but isn't that actual, irrefutable proof of the holocaust?

The IHR have are weak..

not if their testimonys condtradict eachother

not if their testimonys condtradict eachother
People are people; they'll remember the same thing differently. The one overriding fact they all remember tho was the concentration camps....

I am not a neo-nazi. I am an individual. I dont need to belong in a group.
Oh yeah, you are unique, just like everyon else.

66 Questions and Answers on the "Holocaust"(copy and paste this to other forums)

Spread your own propaganda/message/bullshit.i've spoken personally to a survivor of the concentration camp in Auschwitz.I defy you to tell him or another survivor the holocaust never happened.

And your weak-sister protests about conspiracies and sheep just because you've failed to get your copy-n-paste nazi revisionist article to be taken as truth do not surprise me either. You copy-paste trolls tend not to be able to defend your positions, nor do you provide a position of your own - not that that stops you from demanding other people provide their own original positions! Because in your little world, hypocrites don't go to hell and nazis are the good guys. I would believe a senile old fool - oh and the US, UK and USSR and Nazi Germany's leadership itself - before I believed some self-righteous hypocrite who can't even take the shit he begs for people to throw in his mouth.

Were there any racial slurs or profanity in ANY of those 66 questions? hmm? no and so I didnt expect any flaming.

Make no mistake I am not saying the nazis were good or that their treatment of jews was good in any way. While I believe hundreds and thousands of jews were needlessly murdered by the third reich that in no way proves that SIX MILLION jews were liquidated from europe. There is a big difference between 300,000-500,000 dead jews and 6,000,000 dead jews.

I am not a neo-nazi. I am an individual. I dont need to belong in a group.

Okay, whatever you claim to be. Just look at the link I provided.

Spread your own propaganda/message/bullshit.i've spoken personally to a survivor of the concentration camp in Auschwitz.I defy you to tell him or another survivor the holocaust never happened.
So? I've spoken to an ex-Nazi POW. The Americans were assholes when it came to dealing with German POWs. Hell, I remember him telling me that his crew was release three years after the war... they had been kept in camps overseas...

I've also spoken to Holocaust survivors.

Everyone has their own stories. Everyone sees the world differently.

Were there any racial slurs or profanity in ANY of those 66 questions? hmm? no and so I didnt expect any flaming.

Suuure you didn't. Or maybe you are just too ignorant of this whole "world wide web" thing to have known that racial slurs and profanity are not the only things that qualify as flamebait?

Make no mistake I am not saying the nazis were good or that their treatment of jews was good in any way. While I believe hundreds and thousands of jews were needlessly murdered by the third reich that in no way proves that SIX MILLION jews were liquidated from europe. There is a big difference between 300,000-500,000 dead jews and 6,000,000 dead jews.

I see, so mainly your quibble is a mathematical one. A mathematical one that entails a conspiracy by the evil, globalized and united Jewry to deceive the world through a multiplication by 10 to 20. Somehow I'm not convinced by that any more than the highly racist Institute of Historical Rewrites's 'questions' or their 'answers.' Maybe if you copy n paste some more I will have greater respect for your point of view.

A plan for a gas chamber in Nazi Germany. I'm sure it was just for laughs.
http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/holocaust44.htm

More pictoral evidence.
http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/

Were there any racial slurs or profanity in ANY of those 66 questions? hmm? no and so I didnt expect any flaming.

Make no mistake I am not saying the nazis were good or that their treatment of jews was good in any way. While I believe hundreds and thousands of jews were needlessly murdered by the third reich that in no way proves that SIX MILLION jews were liquidated from europe. There is a big difference between 300,000-500,000 dead jews and 6,000,000 dead jews.

Is there a difference? Does it somehow make it not so bad that the Nazis only killed half a million Jews as opposed to 6 million? Does that somehow make it palatable?

One Jew industrially slaughtered by the Nazis during WWII would have been too many.

the whole ayran supremacy is a French/Anglo idea, just happened to appeal to Germans as they were put as head honcho's of the race list,

and the british invented concentration camps


but yeah the Holocaust was real

So? I've spoken to an ex-Nazi POW. The Americans were assholes when it came to dealing with German POWs. Hell, I remember him telling me that his crew was release three years after the war... they had been kept in camps overseas...

I've also spoken to Holocaust survivors.

Everyone has their own stories. Everyone sees the world differently.
Which isn't relevant at all to what he said unless he claims the US didn't hold Nazi POWs in camps. No one would deny that; the US has a rich history of holding people in detention camps whenever they can.

sadly, history is on this ****'s side: every year a few more witnesses die. There's unlikely to be any left in another ten years.
One wonders why no moderator has paid any attention to this yet. They can't all be offline if there's three of them: surely they're supposed to be working shifts?

sadly, history is on this ****'s side: every year a few more witnesses die. There's unlikely to be any left in another ten years.
One wonders why no moderator has paid any attention to this yet. They can't all be offline if there's three of them: surely they're supposed to be working shifts?
It's sad that there might not be any rules against a thread like this.

Lets not hassle the moderators here people; they have lives themselves, and this abomination will be deleted soon enough, and those responsible hopefully given their fair dues.

As to the thread itself, I won't reply; as a history student studying at University, these so-called 'facts' disgust me no end, as does neo-nazi revisonism. As for those who would even think to support them here...I see them as no better.

sadly, history is on this ****'s side: every year a few more witnesses die. There's unlikely to be any left in another ten years.
One wonders why no moderator has paid any attention to this yet. They can't all be offline if there's three of them: surely they're supposed to be working shifts?


I think that the line has been toed with regards to flaming and trolling.

And history isnt on his side,time is,but your point stands.give it ten years an we could probably deny world war 2 even happened.id say 5 and we can do the same with ww1.cant concieve of why we'd want to.

It's sad that there might not be any rules against a thread like this.

oh yes GODFORBID if a person exercises his/her freedom of speech and states a point of view that you didnt agree with. Prehaps your the nazis...

oh yes GODFORBID if a person exercises his/her freedom of speech and states a point of view that you didnt agree with. Prehaps your the nazis...
I'm sorry if I think your insensitivity to an entire race of people is fucked up. Actually, no. I'm not sorry. I think your ideas are fucked up.

oh yes GODFORBID if a person exercises his/her freedom of speech and states a point of view that you didnt agree with. Prehaps your the nazis...


freedom of speech only applies when people like what you are saying, for real try shitting on your countrys flag and then burning it, police are on you in seconds

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/9813/pic147816lh.jpg

oh yes GODFORBID if a person exercises his/her freedom of speech and states a point of view that you didnt agree with. Prehaps your the nazis...



HEy read the NS TOS. YOU DONT HAVE ANY FREEDOM OF SPEECH ON THIS FOURM.

oh yes GODFORBID if a person exercises his/her freedom of speech and states a point of view that you didnt agree with. Prehaps your the nazis...
I have never gassed anybody in my life, or tuned my back as members of my community were dragged off to be murdered. I don't make the grade as a nazi.

I disagree with MANY, if not almost all of elements presented, though the parts that pertain to the use of gas make sense, especially since most gasses are inflammable and in a contained area, don't vent properly.

Most gases are inflammable? That's quite the assertion you make, there. And you'd have to assume that the Nazis weren't able to find a gas that could kill without being in a high enough concentration to explode.
I don't really know anything about HCN (the deadly component in Zyklon B,) but according to wikipedia, it is lethal at a concentration of 300 PPM* and inflammable at a concentration of 56 000 PPM. Perhaps if someone else knows of a more reliable source that could verify or falsify this?

Also, I think the Nazi gas chambers had pretty extensive ventilation systems.


*PPM = Particles Per Million

freedom of speech only applies when people like what you are saying, for real try shitting on your countrys flag and then burning it, police are on you in seconds
I think, though, that would be mostly for it being a stinky fire hazzard.

http://www.100megsfree3.com/fwc493/SmileyDirectory5/F/BulletPukeL.gif

Most gases are inflammable? That's quite the assertion you make, there. And you'd have to assume that the Nazis weren't able to find a gas that could kill without being in a high enough concentration to explode.
I don't really know anything about HCN (the deadly component in Zyklon B,) but according to wikipedia, it is lethal at a concentration of 300 PPM* and inflammable at a concentration of 56 000 PPM. Perhaps if someone else knows of a more reliable source that could verify or falsify this?

Also, I think the Nazi gas chambers had pretty extensive ventilation systems.


*PPM = Particles Per Million
The plan on my previous post shows the ventiliation system.

I have never gassed anybody in my life, or tuned my back as members of my community were dragged off to be murdered. I don't make the grade as a nazi.

Anyone can be a murderer or a coward...not just a nazi. Should I give you examples of crimes commited by governments with different ideologies?

oh yes GODFORBID if a person exercises his/her freedom of speech and states a point of view that you didnt agree with. Prehaps your the nazis...
You expressed no opinion. You plagiarized some one else's opinion.

Anyone can be a murderer or a coward...not just a nazi. Should I give you examples of crimes commited by governments with different ideologies?
No, cockbreath, you should substantiate your claims that the nazis never gassed any jews.
Or shut up and fuck off. I'd settle for either.

No, cockbreath, you should substantiate your claims that the nazis never gassed any jews.
Or shut up and fuck off. I'd settle for either.

Cahnt, you're giving this....person....exactly what he wants. Calm down; if you get deleted, you serve only to give this thing more reason to post these lies. Its not worth it.

Anyone can be a murderer or a coward...not just a nazi. Should I give you examples of crimes commited by governments with different ideologies?
what about krystalnacht? did it happen? or did they make that up too?

You expressed no opinion. You plagiarized some one else's opinion.

If you read further down this post you would see that I had credited this information to The Institute for Historical Review so I did not plagiarize

Comic book guy awards this thread his stamp of approval
http://img130.echo.cx/img130/5329/bestthreadever5cw.gif

No, cockbreath, you should substantiate your claims that the nazis never gassed any jews.
Or shut up and fuck off. I'd settle for either.

cockbreath?? how mature...

If you read further down this post you would see that I had credited this information to The Institute for Historical Review so I did not plagiarize
"The California-based IHR, which split with Willis Carto in 1993, remains the world's single most important outlet for Holocaust-denial propaganda. While the IHR seeks to gain credibility by working under the guise of scholarship and impartiality, many of its staffers and Editorial Advisory Committee members often participate in pro-Nazi and anti-Jewish activities."
http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/ihr.asp

About the ADL:
"ADL fights hatred, extremism and terrorism. Our goal: to make the world a safer place. Over the past few years, we have expanded our expertise and capabilities to confront a more dangerous world.

Our three priorities are to:
Gather, analyze and disseminate intelligence on extremism and hate activity
Enhance law enforcement’s ability to combat serious threats
Provide assistance, support and resources on security to the Jewish community
ADL is meeting the CHALLENGE: we have a nationwide fact-finding infrastructure. We take ACTION: bringing law enforcement agencies together, implementing strategies to promote security awareness, systemically monitoring hate sites on the Internet, providing training on extremist ideologies and building bridges between Jewish institutions and law enforcement. In ways large and small, measurable and not, ADL gets RESULTS. We are making this nation a safer place."

If you read further down this post you would see that I had credited this information to The Institute for Historical Review so I did not plagiarize
Do they have any evidence for you to cut and paste, or just unsubstantiated drivel?

I am not a neo-nazi. I am an individual. I dont need to belong in a group.
My advice would be to join one, because then it would be much easier to defend yourself when everyone in RL finds out your a racist, and kicks the shit out of you.

cockbreath?? how mature...
I can see no point in dealing with people who think like six year olds in a mature fashion. Find some evidence for your bullshit besides lies from white power sites, and maybe I'll show you some vague semblance of respect.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html

go here.

Slams every one of your points

Have you read this information by now, Strasse?

Another bit of knowledge you might want to know:
"In recent published articles, volunteer organizations monitoring hate groups have stated that Holocaust-denial groups such as the Institute for Historical Review have been having difficulty finding supporters (and especially financial sponsors) in the United States. As a result, spokespersons for the IHR and other denial groups have been travelling to the Middle East in an attempt to forge closer ties with radical extremist groups there"
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review

"The California-based IHR, which split with Willis Carto in 1993, remains the world's single most important outlet for Holocaust-denial propaganda. While the IHR seeks to gain credibility by working under the guise of scholarship and impartiality, many of its staffers and Editorial Advisory Committee members often participate in pro-Nazi and anti-Jewish activities."
http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/ihr.asp

About the ADL:
"ADL fights hatred, extremism and terrorism. Our goal: to make the world a safer place. Over the past few years, we have expanded our expertise and capabilities to confront a more dangerous world.

Our three priorities are to:
Gather, analyze and disseminate intelligence on extremism and hate activity
Enhance law enforcement’s ability to combat serious threats
Provide assistance, support and resources on security to the Jewish community
ADL is meeting the CHALLENGE: we have a nationwide fact-finding infrastructure. We take ACTION: bringing law enforcement agencies together, implementing strategies to promote security awareness, systemically monitoring hate sites on the Internet, providing training on extremist ideologies and building bridges between Jewish institutions and law enforcement. In ways large and small, measurable and not, ADL gets RESULTS. We are making this nation a safer place."


Give me a link to a non jewish organization that opposes the IHR

And if you do find one make sure they dont support their evidence as a result of the information that is given to them by the ADL.

There is a ton of ''evidence'' here that says these killings never took place.What happened to the Jewish people if they were not killed.Because I'm sure they did not just fall off the face of the earth.Why did so many men die invading Germany.Was it because someone thought it would be a good idea to send soldiers Germany?I think saying the Holocaust never happened is like spitting in the face of Veterans who fought for themselves,for their families and for their countries.It is also saying that so many men died for no reason.I cannot tolerate this.

Shit, more neo-nazis. I hope he isn't the vanguard for yet another invasion.

If you read further down this post you would see that I had credited this information to The Institute for Historical Review so I did not plagiarize
Regardless, you reprinted a source's information with no debate or opinion.

Give me a link to a non jewish organization that opposes the IHR

And if you do find one make sure they dont support their evidence as a result of the information that is given to them by the ADL.
Give me a link that isn't anti jewish that supports your statements.

I'd buy a $100 ticket to watch Rotovia kick the OP's ass in a cage match. Anyone else?

Give me a link to a non jewish organization that opposes the IHR

And if you do find one make sure they dont support their evidence as a result of the information that is given to them by the ADL.
I will get you a link to a non-Jewish organization that opposes the IHR when you get me a link to a non-antisemetic organization that opposes the Holocaust.

Give me a link that isn't anti jewish that supports your statements.

Using your form of mentality that is impossible since even slightly denying the halocaust makes you an anti-semite.

I'd buy a $100 ticket to watch Rotovia kick the OP's ass in a cage match. Anyone else?
I'd pay $100 to help Rotovia kick the shit out of that joke of a wannabe person. Seriously, I once bashed a little kid from three grades below me for saying less than that.
http://www.attac.de/uni-bochum/antifa-web.gif

Give me a link to a non jewish organization that opposes the IHR

And if you do find one make sure they dont support their evidence as a result of the information that is given to them by the ADL.
Ever heard of Amnesty International?
I can't be bothered to find you a libnk you'll ignore, but you've clearly heard of Google.
I like the non Jewish flourish, though: like the fact that all the reports of a couple of ugly buildings in New York getting pushed over are from Americans proves that nothing of the sort ever happened?

I'd pay $100 to help Rotovia kick the shit out of that joke of a wannabe person. Seriously, I once bashed a little kid from three grades below me for saying less than that.
http://bulgaria.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/5/antifa-avtonom.jpg
I'd tell you what I did to a skinhead once, but I don't think it belongs in public. They may still be looking for suspects.

Tell ya one thing though, if more people knew about it, I wouldn't be called a racist anymore, just because I want a border fence.

I'll tell ya this much. The guy can't play soccer anymore. ;)

I'll tell ya this much. The guy can't play soccer anymore. ;)
Which leg did he lose?

i dont care how hateful or ignorant or down right wrong what someone says is, they still have a right to say it,


but strasse II has it wrong

Give me a link to a non jewish organization that opposes the IHR

And if you do find one make sure they dont support their evidence as a result of the information that is given to them by the ADL.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=190
Here's your link.

I'd tell you what I did to a skinhead once, but I don't think it belongs in public. They may still be looking for suspects.

Tell ya one thing though, if more people knew about it, I wouldn't be called a racist anymore, just because I want a border fence.

I'll tell ya this much. The guy can't play soccer anymore. ;)

Skinheads techniclly arent racist. Only the Nazi skins are. There are groups like S.H.A.R.P skins(skin heads against racial prejudice), Red skins,Anarcho Skins, and Trojan skins(who are the tradtional skins who dont care about politics and racial differances,they just have working class pride)

sadly, history is on this ****'s side: every year a few more witnesses die. There's unlikely to be any left in another ten years.
One wonders why no moderator has paid any attention to this yet. They can't all be offline if there's three of them: surely they're supposed to be working shifts?
There are actually 15, and at least one of them tends to be online at any given moment (usually Euroslavia, Frisbeeteria, Melkor Unchained, or Katganistan). However, this thread isn't exactly illegal, yet.

Using your form of mentality that is impossible since even slightly denying the halocaust makes you an anti-semite.
Sounds like a good answer to me.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=190
Here's your link.
Good work.

There are actually 15, and at least one of them tends to be online at any given moment (usually Euroslavia, Frisbeeteria, Melkor Unchained, or Katganistan). However, this thread isn't exactly illegal, yet.
Whyever not?

Using your form of mentality that is impossible since even slightly denying the halocaust makes you an anti-semite.
http://www.ihr.org/main/about.shtml

the “Holocaust” campaign is a major weapon in the Jewish-Zionist arsenal.

The Institute speaks factually and effectively about the corrosive impact of “Holocaust” propaganda, World War II lies, Zionist deceit about the Israel-Palestine conflict, the Jewish-Zionist grip on America’s cultural and political life, and much more

I'm sorry but these people are fucking nuts. I have half a mind to contact them and offer them my ten dollar tinfoil, anti-Jew-wave hats at a discounted five dollars in they buy them en masse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review
The IHR was originally founded by Dave McCalden (also known as Lewis Brandon), a former member of the neo-Nazi National Front

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=190
Here's your link.

http://www.zpub.com/notes/znote-splc.html ...jeez what a great organization.

Whyever not?

he hasnt said he hated jews or tht they should be destroyed etc etc

Which leg did he lose?
I wouldn't say "lose". I'd say "lose use of" and it was the left.

http://www.zpub.com/notes/znote-splc.html ...jeez what a great organization.
Well, here we have one guy featured by the IHL...Ernst Zündel.

And see, it looks like someone not Jewish is being Critical of him.
Holocaust denier Zundel behind bars in Germany (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1109683146179_5/?hub=CTVNewsAt11)

I wouldn't say "lose". I'd say "lose use of" and it was the left.
Nice work. :D
Dehny, he's impyling as much: use of the word Zionist is a bit of a giveaway...

Nice work. :D
Dehny, he's impyling as much: use of the word Zionist is a bit of a giveaway...

yeah i know , i dont agree with him personally, but until he openly says it he can argue he did not mean that implication

but if he did say it id ask for him to be banned

http://www.zpub.com/notes/znote-splc.html ...jeez what a great organization.
Did you read what you posted? There's actually no criticism of the SPLC other than the fact that they criticized the Turner Diaries. It's mostly just asking people to write to Mike Wallace and complain. Do you support racist crap like the Turner Diaries? Are you a bigot? Are you a Nazi? Remember what happened to the Nazis? Remember what real Americans did to them?

http://www.zpub.com/notes/znote-splc.html ...jeez what a great organization.
Which does not negate the fact Weber was the editor for a publication created by an admittedly racist organization, among other facts.

yeah i know , i dont agree with him personally, but until he openly says it he can argue he did not mean that implication

but if he did say it id ask for him to be banned
Fuck that: if referring to Bush as the greatest chimp on Earth or quoting Rochard Thompson are grounds to lock a thread, then this twonk has outstayed his welcome.

Did you read what you posted? There's actually no criticism of the SPLC other than the fact that they criticized the Turner Diaries. It's mostly just asking people to write to Mike Wallace and complain. Do you support racist crap like the Turner Diaries? Are you a bigot? Are you a Nazi? Remember what happened to the Nazis? Remember what real Americans did to them?

read the article entitled "Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center" it is in the link that I have provided you.

Fuck that: if referring to Bush as the greatest chimp on Earth or quoting Rochard Thompson are grounds to lock a thread, then this twonk has outstayed his welcome.


up to the moderators, im on your side

as a historian i do find his post insulting

Remember what happened to the Nazis? Remember what real Americans did to them?
Trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush) with them? ;)

Just kidding. I'd like to see "Street Two" (And what kind of pathetic name is that anyways?) go into Germany and have a look at the camps himself. There are lamps made of human skin, I've seen them myself.
So he better just shut the fuck up.

I must be making much better points that Commies because he won't reply to me.

Trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush) with them? ;)

Just kidding. I'd like to see "Street Two" (And what kind of pathetic name is that anyways?) go into Germany and have a look at the camps himself. There are lamps made of human skin, I've seen them myself.
So he better just shut the fuck up.

Its not my fault that the nine other names I wanted were already taken.

Lamps made out of human skin do not mean that 6 million jews were liquidated from europe.

Trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush) with them? ;)

Just kidding. I'd like to see "Street Two" (And what kind of pathetic name is that anyways?) go into Germany and have a look at the camps himself. There are lamps made of human skin, I've seen them myself.
So he better just shut the fuck up.
No, after that, and before we recruited their scientists.

read the article entitled "Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center" it is in the link that I have provided you.

That wasn't really an article. It just says a few words and tells the reader to go digging for themselves.

I must be making much better points that Commies because he won't reply to me.

I have a hundred angry posters to deal with. Im sorry if I cant reply to every single response.

I have a hundred angry posters to deal with. Im sorry if I cant reply to every single response.
It's just a Jewish consipiracy to keep you busy while they take over your local TV station.

Its not my fault that the nine other names I wanted were already taken.

Lamps made out of human skin do not mean that 6 million jews were liquidated from europe.
They were very picky about skin: they weren't having any moles or scars on their lampshades: we're probably talking a couple of hundred dead yids a lampshade, and there's dozens of the things.

And you're defending the Turner Diaries and claiming that you're not an antisemite?

Its not my fault that the nine other names I wanted were already taken.
How about you use a name from your own language, rather than rape mine?

Lamps made out of human skin do not mean that 6 million jews were liquidated from europe.
...There are no contemporaneous documents or hard evidence: no mounds of ashes, no crematories capable of disposing of millions of corpses, no "human soap," no lamp shades made of human skin, and no credible demographic statistics...
Well, there we see how much your allegations are worth though.

They were very picky about skin: they weren't having any moles or scars on their lampshades: we're probably talking a couple of hundred dead yids a lampshade, and there's dozens of the things.

And you're defending the Turner Diaries and claiming that you're not an antisemite?

Absolutely not, that book resulted in the deathes of 168 American citizens in Oklahoma. I meant for him to read the second half of the writings featured within the article.

How about you use a name from your own language, rather than rape mine?



Well, there we see how much your allegations are worth though.

My family originated from Austria....So it pretty much is my language as well.

If I had the ability I'd reach through the internet and beat the crap outta you Strasse II.

4. If Dachau was in Germany, and even Wiesenthal says that it was not an extermination camp, why do many American veterans say it was an extermination camp?
After the Allies captured Dachau, many GIs and others were led through the camp and shown a building alleged to have been a "gas chamber." The mass media widely, but falsely, continues to assert that Dachau was a "gassing" camp.
There we have the site of the Dachau Concentration Camp.
http://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/englisch/content/index.htm
It's made and maintained by Germans, ie not "Jewish conspirators" - although some of the Germans may be Jewish, I don't know.

Careful, I haven't seen the entire website, understandably it may contain graphic material, so don't look unless you want to.

read the article entitled "Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center" it is in the link that I have provided you.
I already did and I'm not impressed. Now rather than get myself deleted again by insulting you and threatening you I'm going to ignore you. I'm done with you.

How about you use a name from your own language, rather than rape mine?
Because you can't look like a proper Jewish-conspiracy-theorist-Holocaust-denier with a name like Billy-Bob or Canada_Jim.

If I had the ability I'd reach through the internet and beat the crap outta you Strasse II.

How brave of you to make a physical threat knowing there is no possibility of ever confronting me in real life. :rolleyes:

My family originated from Austria....So it pretty much is my language as well.
No it isn't. You are American, you were born in America and chances are that your parents were born in America.
You have no connection with Austria whatsoever, and I - on behalf of all Austrians - am telling you this: If you go back and talk about shit like this, you will go to jail. And believe me, they don't treat Neonazis kindly in jail.
Don't insult a nation with your stupidity. One person is enough.

1. What proof exists that the Nazis killed six million Jews?
None. All we have is postwar testimony, mostly of individual "survivors." This testimony is contradictory, and very few claim to have actually witnessed any "gassing." There are no contemporaneous documents or hard evidence: no mounds of ashes, no crematories capable of disposing of millions of corpses, no "human soap," no lamp shades made of human skin, and no credible demographic statistics.

I have friends who have been to Auschwitz and Krackov and seen some of this stuff thank you. They showed me photographs they had taken of the exhibits. There is plenty of hard evidence that it happend.

Another question, if it didnt happen then why is there so much fottage of the death camps and the like taken by the American soliders that found them in the BBC's "world at war" series.

Another question. Why did so many German millitary officals resort to the "I was only following orders" defence at the Nuremburg trials. Surely if it didnt happen then there is no need to resort to such a defence. See this site for more detail http://www.notso.com/again.htm

No it isn't. You are American, you were born in America and chances are that your parents were born in America.
You have no connection with Austria whatsoever, and I - on behalf of all Austrians - am telling you this: If you go back and talk about shit like this, you will go to jail. And believe me, they don't treat Neonazis kindly in jail.
Don't insult a nation with your stupidity. One person is enough.

I am an Austrian American. And you dont live in Germany/Austria ether so wwho are you to tell me that German isnt my language?

64. Has the Institute for Historical Review suffered any retaliation for its efforts to uphold the right of freedom of speech and academic freedom?
The IHR had been bombed three times, and was completely destroyed on July 4, 1984, in a criminal arson attack. Numerous death threats by telephone have been received. Media coverage of the IHR has been overwhelmingly hostile.

If the IHR were truely just telling flatout lies then no one would have retaliated this harshly towards them. Physical assault comes to play when you dont have any counter arguements to tell them...

My grandfather was sent to look at one of these camps during the war. The support unit he was in (a group or whatever they call it of the Royal Engineers) was sent to have a good look at the evidence of whichever camp it was (I think Dachau) shortly after it was liberated.
He's dead now. All the witnesses are dead or soon will be. This is the only reason fuckwits like Strasse II can get away with claiming this nonsense.

If the IHR were truely just telling flatout lies then no one would have retaliated this harshly towards them. Physical assault comes to play when you dont have any counter arguements to tell them...
If they were telling the truth violence wouldn't wipe it out.

I am an Austrian American. And you dont live in Germany/Austria ether so wwho are you to tell me that German isnt my language?
I have spent pretty much my entire life in Hamburg. I am a German citizen, I hold a German passport, I speak fluid German and next year chances are that I will do my year's service.

You however do exactly none of that. And besides, I don't want to be even remotely associated with the likes of you.

My grandfather was sent to look at one of these camps during the war. The support unit he was in (a group or whatever they call it of the Royal Engineers) was sent to have a good look at the evidence of whichever camp it was (I think Dachau) shortly after it was liberated.
He's dead now. All the witnesses are dead or soon will be. This is the only reason fuckwits like Strasse II can get away with claiming this nonsense.

Often burned corpses were blamed on the Germans while in fact they were a result of the American/British firebombing which took place late in the war(many of these bombings took place on sites which featured German concentration camps so many prisoners were killed and left behind burned corpses)

Also many people get emotional over footage which showcases how thin and starved the prisoners were and they forget that Germany had an enormous food shortage during the last monthes of the war. How are you going to feed your prisoners if your own soldiers and citizens are starving??

If the IHR were truely just telling flatout lies then no one would have retaliated this harshly towards them. Physical assault comes to play when you dont have any counter arguements to tell them...

No, Physical violence comes when you make people angry. Even if you believe the holocaust didnt happen (which it did so there is little point in believing it didnt) the Jews have had a rough enough time in history as it is. By your logic, the Nazi's were right since we (at first the British and then the Allies as a whole) reacted with violence against them.

I have a question-- if you are not an anti-Semite, a skinhead, or anything like that, then why bother to post here and spread the propaganda of those who have been accused of being such?

as has been mentioned-- what do you plan on debating? obviously you agree with the points, but all that has been going on in the posts is some back and forth bullshit about how the site you got the info from is not anti-Semitic.

so, be the individual that you claim to be and actually stand up and tell us what the hell you think, not some blather that you copied and pasted from a website. talk about being led about like a sheep....you regurgitated everything from the IHR without commenting/arguing/discussing-- do you see why everyone is getting so pissed?

64. Has the Institute for Historical Review suffered any retaliation for its efforts to uphold the right of freedom of speech and academic freedom?
The IHR had been bombed three times, and was completely destroyed on July 4, 1984, in a criminal arson attack. Numerous death threats by telephone have been received. Media coverage of the IHR has been overwhelmingly hostile.

If the IHR were truely just telling flatout lies then no one would have retaliated this harshly towards them. Physical assault comes to play when you dont have any counter arguements to tell them...
That is only true if you believe there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy, in which case I have an anti-Jew-wave tinfoil hat you may want to purchase post haste.

Calm down everyone. An idiot like him isn't worth getting warned or banned for flaming his ass. With 9 pages, we've all proved he doesn't have a leg to stand on, has no intelligence, and who killed Cock Robin.

We're not going to change his mind (if he has one to change, which I doubt), so there's no reason to heat things up even more before one of the Mods gets to this thread.

How are you going to feed your prisoners if your own soldiers and citizens are starving??
I demand pictures of the common citizenry looking like Caucasian Ethiopians then.

I have spent pretty much my entire life in Hamburg. I am a German citizen, I hold a German passport, I speak fluid German and next year chances are that I will do my year's service.

You however do exactly none of that. And besides, I don't want to be even remotely associated with the likes of you.

I still have many family members(14 to be exact) there who are doing just that.

With 9 pages, we've all proved he doesn't have a leg to stand on, has no intelligence, and who killed Cock Robin.
Lawlilops. You said Cock Robin. Roffleophagus.

... What? I'm just getting into the spirit of the thread. >_>;

No, Physical violence comes when you make people angry. Even if you believe the holocaust didnt happen (which it did so there is little point in believing it didnt) the Jews have had a rough enough time in history as it is. By your logic, the Nazi's were right since we (at first the British and then the Allies as a whole) reacted with violence against them.

The allies never began a war against Germany because of its treatment of jews. The British entered the war becuase the Germans invaded Poland, the French too, While the Americans entered the war because they suffered an attack by the Japanese Imperial Navy. If the Germans treated their prisoners harshly but never invaded any country or entered any alliance with Japan then the allies would have never declared war on the Germans

I still have many family members(14 to be exact) there who are doing just that.
And what do they say about your defamation?

No it isn't. You are American, you were born in America and chances are that your parents were born in America.
You have no connection with Austria whatsoever, and I - on behalf of all Austrians - am telling you this: If you go back and talk about shit like this, you will go to jail. And believe me, they don't treat Neonazis kindly in jail.
Don't insult a nation with your stupidity. One person is enough.

Indeed

Are you aware that you and your predecessors have really given Germany and Austria an image problem, Strasse II? Ironic, really.

Often burned corpses were blamed on the Germans while in fact they were a result of the American/British firebombing which took place late in the war(many of these bombings took place on sites which featured German concentration camps so many prisoners were killed and left behind burned corpses)
Right. And the huge stacks of corpses they found on going into the camps were down to an outbreak of TB, no doubt: the soldiers would be eager to strip corpses with TB naked, look in their mouths for gold teeth and remove their valuables.

Also many people get emotional over footage which showcases how thin and starved the prisoners were and they forget that Germany had an enormous food shortage during the last monthes of the war. How are you going to feed your prisoners if your own soldiers and citizens are starving??
Turning one of the most civilised countries into Europe into a machine that commits mass murder is plenty of reason to get emotional. I've yet to see any footage of German civilians who looked that bad elsewhere, put it that way.

The allies never began a war against Germany because of its treatment of jews. The British entered the war becuase the Germans invaded Poland, the French too, While the Americans entered the war because they suffered an attack by the Japanese Imperial Navy. If the Germans treated their prisoners harshly but never invaded any country or entered any alliance with Japan then the allies would have never declared war on the Germans

I didnt say they did. You missed my point. Delibrately I suspect.

You claimed the only reason that people resort to physical violence is that the person instigating the violence know that the point/opinion/ideology etc the person they are being vilonet towards stands for is right/true/accurate/valid.

Thus by your logic the reason that WW2 began is that we (Britain and the Allies) knew that Facisim was right, the best form of government ever, thus we had to crush it.

Also by your logic, we knew that Sadam Husain was right in his style of government and perfectly allowed to kill all the Kurds he wanted.

To take your logic even further the United States knew that the confedercy was right when it used slaves and so had to destroy its rightness and correctness

Face it, your logic is flawed. People do not use violence agaist people because other people are right. They do it for all kinds of reasons.

I still have many family members(14 to be exact) there who are doing just that.
And I have close relatives in Washington state, Minnesota, and New York, that doesn't mean I am from any of those places or can lay claim to belonging to any of them.

66 Questions and Answers on the "Holocaust"(copy and paste this to other forums)
<snip thank god>


wait, didn't he say not to follow propaganda, hype, etc. to think for yourself and he was not going to be some sheep walking about? I am still waiting for a response from my other post......

Right. And the huge stacks of corpses they found on going into the camps were down to an outbreak of TB, no doubt: the soldiers would be eager to strip corpses with TB naked, look in their mouths for gold teeth and remove their valuables.


Turning one of the most civilised countries into Europe into a machine that commits mass murder is plenty of reason to get emotional. I've yet to see any footage of German civilians who looked that bad elsewhere, put it that way.

What about Stalin's Soviet Union? because of his leadership over 50-60 million people have died. The soviets achieved killing numbers the third reich couldnt even touch. And yet there are a plethora of leftists who support him in NationStates.

What about Stalin's Soviet Union? because of his leadership over 50-60 million people have died. The soviets achieved killing numbers the third reich couldnt even touch. And yet there are a plethora of leftists who support him in NationStates.

What the Soviet Union did is imateral to the debate at hand about the holocaust. Saying well what germany did wasn't bad because the soviet union did worse is not a legitimate arguement.

Time for "The Believer" question:

If Hitler never harmed the hair on any Jews head, why is he considered a hero by Nazis?

What about Stalin's Soviet Union? because of his leadership over 50-60 million people have died. The soviets achieved killing numbers the third reich couldnt even touch. And yet there are a plethora of leftists who support him in NationStates.
Name those people and relate the relevance to this debate. "Hey, look over there" is not a recognized defense.

Time for "The Believer" question:

If Hitler never harmed the hair on any Jews head, why is he considered a hero by Nazis?

If you had read any of my posts whatsoever you would have known that I am not a nazi. I am an individual with a different point of view regarding the halocaust. These nazis are angry at me because I think differently of a certain subject so they choose to use profanity and insults to get me to subject to thier views.

somehow, i feel the urge to point out that your post would be illegal in germany under paragraph 130 and that you'd get some serious fine for it.


Or, I might add, up to five years in prison.

Flaming doesn't even begin to describe it.

Also, in Germany, Holocaust denial is not considered free speech, because it is "a mere claiming of facts which, according to countless eye witness reports and documents, court findings in numerous trials, and historical research, have been proven false. Hence, such a claim is not protected by free speech laws."

(translated - rather clumsily, but I'm tired - from the court opinion denying freedom of speech protection to these lies, as quoted here: http://http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaustleugnung#Rechtsgrundlagen_in_Deutschland (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaustleugnung#Rechtsgrundlagen_in_Deutschland) )

I can't believe I wasted my first post ever on a thread like this, but disgust and frustration got the better of me.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/02/18/nxeno18.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/02/18/ixnewstop.html
Look at what I found...
Campaigners fear they could even face trial for broadcasting "xenophobic or racist" remarks - such as denying the Holocaust - on an internet chatroom in another country.
Countries such as Germany and Austria have crimes such as denying the Holocaust which have no equivalent in Britain. Under current laws, if a British citizen committed this offence in Germany and returned to the UK, he could not be extradited.

However, this will change when the arrest warrant becomes law next year. Lord Filkin, the Home Office minister, told MPs: "If someone went to Germany and stood up in Cologne market place and shouted the odds, denying the Holocaust, and then came back [to Britain], they would be subject to extradition under the European arrest warrant."

Excellent trolling your first time out, Strasse II. I applaud you, a ten-page thread for almost zero effort, just some efficient copying and pasting of your chosen flamebait and a touch of your own agitation. :rolleyes: Seriously, can we just ignore this? Remember, if you feed trolls they multiply.