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Is it just me or are the left-wingers/anarchists a hell of a lot better at delivering dead-pan pastiches of their counter-ideologies than the right-wingers/statists?


Maybe its just a blip on the radar, but just recently I've noticed a hell of a lot of these kind of things flying right over the heads of the 'opposition' here. There is a growing regularity of loud 'whoosh' noises on NSGeneral.

Perhaps you see their argument better. *shrug*

i love a good whoosh...

Is it just me or are the left-wingers/anarchists a hell of a lot better at delivering dead-pan pastiches of their counter-ideologies than the right-wingers/statists?


Maybe its just a blip on the radar, but just recently I've noticed a hell of a lot of these kind of things flying right over the heads of the 'opposition' here. There is a growing regularity of loud 'whoosh' noises on NSGeneral.
What’s your opinion on the intelligence of NS’s anti-statist right wingers?;)
But yeah, the whooshes are getting on my nerves.

i've actually noticed a similar thing happen in other places. i'd like to think that it's at least partly because your average anarchist/leftist has a firmer grasp on both the content and tone of the other side's position, while that other side remains rather willfully clueless. but that isn't the most charitable interpretation available, so probably shouldn't be held strongly.

and, of course, the friendlies always open fire, so it's not like this average extends very far. probably just a couple of outliers skewing the distribution.

Is it just me or are the left-wingers/anarchists a hell of a lot better

It's just you.

The leftists NS draws are more politically engaged, while the rightists are younger and generally more focused on RPing and the like than discussing political matters. When they do (read: try) to discuss something political, their inexperience shows. So audience and demographics, basically.

The leftists NS draws are more politically engaged, while the rightists are younger and generally more focused on RPing and the like than discussing political matters. When they do (read: try) to discuss something political, their inexperience shows. So audience and demographics, basically.

Oh okay, and you get this interesting set of statistics from where?

Nowhere.

And if "inexperience" means "lack of ability to sound like a crooked politician," I'll just go ahead and take that as a compliment thank you very much.

As for rightists being younger or more into RPing... absolute horseshit.

Is it just me or is this thread basically a "leftist r cool rightists r stupid k lol" type pointless spam trolling? I think it is.

The leftists NS draws are more politically engaged, while the rightists are younger and generally more focused on RPing and the like than discussing political matters. When they do (read: try) to discuss something political, their inexperience shows. So audience and demographics, basically.

I'd like to know who you're basing this off of.. I mean, there's maybe a half dozen of us..

Is it just me or is this thread basically a "leftist r cool rightists r stupid k lol" type pointless spam trolling? I think it is.
Petty much. I can do an American liberal/socialist/communist rant (take your pick) pretty easily, especially online where my tone and laughter wouldn’t be picked up. I just don’t think it’s very effective or entertaining.

Petty much. I can do an American liberal/socialist/communist rant (take your pick) pretty easily, especially online where my tone and laughter wouldn’t be picked up. I just don’t think it’s very effective or entertaining.

And there's no need to make ridiculously illogical liberal/socialist/communist rants when folks make them in earnest! Redundant, really. But it's interesting to do so anyway, and have a bunch of people agreeing with your stated positions... ugh.

Leftist#1: Obviously the entire position of the right requires you to sacrifice babies to your so-called christian "god" and then go and flush muslims down the toilet in secret torture camps!

Rightist: No, I just said that a flat tax seemed fairer than a progressive tax. Isn't this thread about the Laffer Curve, not killing people? :confused:

Leftist#2: LOL. You nailed him, and his hamster killing ways. That's exactly what he wants. Let me lick his sweet salty tears of shame.

Well that's how it seems to me at any rate.

I suppose you guys are better at getting the pasty however. It being a food for the poor.

Oh okay, and you get this interesting set of statistics from where?

Nowhere.

Ah, so the same place righties get their data.

And if "inexperience" means "lack of ability to sound like a crooked politician," I'll just go ahead and take that as a compliment thank you very much.

yup, inexperience does mean lack of an ability to sound like a crooked politician...cause by an inability to recognize a crooked politician.


As for rightists being younger or more into RPing... absolute horseshit.

And you base this on...? Weren't you decrying the lack of support for the views of the other side? Now you're calling a contention to be equine manure based on exactly no evidence yourself. Have a cookie. The secret ingredient is horseshit.


Is it just me or is this thread basically a "leftist r cool rightists r stupid k lol" type pointless spam trolling? I think it is.

truth hurts, huh?

Go back to the 19th century where you belong, righty! :D

Ah, so the same place righties get their data.


Maybe so, but two wrongs don't make a right.

yup, inexperience does mean lack of an ability to sound like a crooked politician...cause by an inability to recognize a crooked politician.

I don't think so. Even a child can tell when someone is 1) lying 2) buried in makeup 3) scary


And you base this on...? Weren't you decrying the lack of support for the views of the other side? Now you're calling a contention to be equine manure based on exactly no evidence yourself. Have a cookie. The secret ingredient is horseshit.

I base this on the fact that there is no support for the contention that rightists are somehow more into RPing or anything else. I'm not arguing the opposite. I don't need evidence to point out a lack of evidence or support or, in fact, horseshit.

Horseshit is pretty self-evident.


truth hurts, huh?

No, but stupidity grates.

Go back to the 19th century where you belong, righty! :D

Hey don't make me sic my All-Powerful Evil Corporate Masters on you, long-haired radical hippie! :p

I've noticed that 'right-wingers' seem to have difficulties with pop cultural references that emanate from sources other than the current proscribed forms of media. Ditto allusions and metaphor.

And the same goes for subtlety.

*ahem*

The leftists NS draws are more politically engaged, while the rightists are younger and generally more focused on RPing and the like than discussing political matters. When they do (read: try) to discuss something political, their inexperience shows. So audience and demographics, basically.

I respectfully disagree sir. You should have looked under the rug, then thrown a grenade under it, just to make sure us "younger .. more focused on RPing and the like than discussing political matters" kiddies would not show up. Or at least call in Air Support, fire scares less intelligent beings.
Anyhow, no I do not think the Democrats are so much more intelligent than the Repubs, as I think that the Democs have some serious heavy hitters, as well as a gigantic support base, sprinkled with a lot of experience. Face it: any republican noobie is either going to grow cynical, mean, and troll-like within the first few weeks on this board or he will leave.

o.O or maybe that was just me? o.O

Oh okay, and you get this interesting set of statistics from where?

Nowhere.

And if "inexperience" means "lack of ability to sound like a crooked politician," I'll just go ahead and take that as a compliment thank you very much.

As for rightists being younger or more into RPing... absolute horseshit.

Is it just me or is this thread basically a "leftist r cool rightists r stupid k lol" type pointless spam trolling? I think it is.
Breath. This post is a clear example of why the right looses internet debates. The left argues with a cool anger and is more emotionally detached, this works in a medium like the internet, but fails in a live arena. The opposite is often true for the right.

Breath. This post is a clear example of why the right looses internet debates.

The "right" doesn't "loose" internet debates any more or less than the "left." There aren't any scorecards. No objective referees. No clear objectives or telltale signs of victory.

The left argues with a cool anger and is more emotionally detached, this works in a medium like the internet, but fails in a live arena. The opposite is often true for the right.

Do I have to quote Lyric to curbstomp that assertion or will I have to harvest the juicy tidbits the authoritarian ("left") give out whenever the subject of banning cigarettes comes up?

Not to mention I happen to fall under the category of right or left depending on how rabidly partisan whoever I'm arguing with is. So would that mean I am a representative of the "right" or "left?" Either way, the fact that I argue crudely, sarcastically and generally mean-spirited has nothing to do with my political beliefs, which are a later development. ;)

Do I have to quote Lyric to curbstomp that assertion or will I have to harvest the juicy tidbits the authoritarian ("left") give out whenever the subject of banning cigarettes comes up?

The commie-nazi's don't count. :p

The commie-nazi's don't count. :p

Yes they do.

Commie: "1 million, 2 million, 3 million dead reactionary capitalists!"
Nazi: "1 million, 2 million, 3 million dead communists!"

:p

This is my perspective on the matter. I think it is directly related to which side of the brain a person uses. The "left/right" terminology for the brain, however, may be entierly coincidental.


Left Brain
Logical
Sequential
Rational
Analytical
Objective
Looks at parts Random

Right Brain
Intuitive
Holistic
Synthesizing
Subjective
Looks at wholes

http://rds.yahoo.com/;_ylt=AmJcmAwbg4A3HnFS_RdqmcBXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBwdmFmdDRvBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3I-/SIG=12cdtqa0d/EXP=1132215179/**http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funderstanding.com%2Fright_left_brain.cfm

Yes they do.

Commie: "1 million, 2 million, 3 million dead reactionary capitalists!"
Nazi: "1 million, 2 million, 3 million dead communists!"

:p

Hahaha. Oddly, both sides (authoritarian "commies" anyway) would think that I belong in their pile of corpses.

Hahaha. Oddly, both sides (authoritarian "commies" anyway) would think that I belong in their pile of corpses.

That's not too odd. Authoritarians favor bigger piles of more varied corpses. I'm sure I'd be burning/rotting along with you! See, left and right, unified in death. As it should be. The circle is closed.

Is it just me or are the left-wingers/anarchists a hell of a lot better at delivering dead-pan pastiches of their counter-ideologies than the right-wingers/statists?


Maybe its just a blip on the radar, but just recently I've noticed a hell of a lot of these kind of things flying right over the heads of the 'opposition' here. There is a growing regularity of loud 'whoosh' noises on NSGeneral.


No, there's just a much larger audience of left-wingers. It's around a 3 to 1 ratio on this forum.

Now if only I could get rid of the Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and Anarchists here, I believe this could be the best site ever! :p

Is it just me or are the left-wingers/anarchists a hell of a lot better at delivering dead-pan pastiches of their counter-ideologies than the right-wingers/statists?


Maybe its just a blip on the radar, but just recently I've noticed a hell of a lot of these kind of things flying right over the heads of the 'opposition' here. There is a growing regularity of loud 'whoosh' noises on NSGeneral.


No, there's just a much larger audience of left-wingers. It's around a 3 to 1 ratio on this forum.

Now if only I could get rid of the Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and Anarchists here, I believe this could be the best site ever! :p

This is my perspective on the matter. I think it is directly related to which side of the brain a person uses. The "left/right" terminology for the brain, however, may be entierly coincidental.


Left Brain
Logical
Sequential
Rational
Analytical
Objective
Looks at parts Random

Right Brain
Intuitive
Holistic
Synthesizing
Subjective
Looks at wholes

http://rds.yahoo.com/;_ylt=AmJcmAwbg4A3HnFS_RdqmcBXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBwdmFmdDRvBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3I-/SIG=12cdtqa0d/EXP=1132215179/**http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funderstanding.com%2Fright_left_brain.cfm

Eh, coincidence. The modern left-right designations came from the French Revolutionaries, who sat on different sides of their meeting hall. It is interesting to note that the sides of the brain are backwards: right-wingers tend to be left-brainers ("Republicans/Libertarians = less taxes = more money for me. Yay for me!"), while left-wingers tend to be right-brainers ("Alright, I have more money from less taxes. So while I'm buying a shiny new plasma screen TV, the poor are starving without government welfare and without financial incentive for the rich to give to charity. Well, damn."). This may be a cause for the percieved superiority in telling points- liberals have skilled right-brained writers on their side, while conservatives have more mathematical left-brainers on their side; skilled mathematicians tend not to be skilled writers unless the reader is another mathematician.

My impression of the demographics here is that it's 1/3 Libertarian, 1/3 Socialist/Communist, 1/3 everyone else. So, those advocating social liberalism in everything except gun rights cry out with the bellow of the majority, while economic and gun rights threads fall into a gridlock of clashing horns, ideologies, slander, random references, and so on. Personally, I thrive in this sort of thing, but I'm a jerk.

If leftist arguments seem to score more telling points (used metaphorically, of course; I'm an atheist, so I don't think there's a Great Judge in the Sky taking score on this kind of thing), I like to think that it's because we're correct. However, any impressions of such are much more likely indicative of the biases of the observer- thus, a liberal will feel that liberal arguments are more powerful, while a conservative will feel that conservative arguments are more powerful.

Please, let's not speak of Lyric. *talking to nothing* Shut up shut up shut UP! You're not helping anything, and you're just making us look bad, so shut UP! *slaps self* Sorry- bad memories.

That's not too odd. Authoritarians favor bigger piles of more varied corpses. I'm sure I'd be burning/rotting along with you! See, left and right, unified in death. As it should be. The circle is closed.

Yeah, but I have the unique honour of being labelled a reactionary and a communist at the same time. :D

I actually was thinking about this too. but i wont share my explanation at this stage.

I would tend to say "yes" the left-ists on this site do have better arguements generally.
However, this isnt due to inexperience, its due to repetition.
Its rare that a new political debate thread comes up these days that doesnt devolve into "Bush is a douche", or "God sucks".
Since this is the case, the lefties on this site have debated these topics to the ground and have a well versed litany of responses.

The righties, are seemingly having more trouble coming up with new arguements.
Again, this isnt becuase they arent as smart as the lefties, its becuase they are fewer of them.








(and of course becuase Bush is a douche, and God does suck.)

(and of course becuase Bush is a douche, and God does suck.)
yes the upshot of your arguement is that the leftists always win :D


as per the left/right brain stuff... i'm a commie and i'm a right-brainer (yay) :)
my thoughts on that specific matter are that to be a leftist requires some depth of caring, some empathy or compassion. you can be a rightist with those qualities, granted, but you can't really be a leftist without them. link that in with the fact that the right brain is more 'feeling' and you can see where i'm going with this sentence (because i don't know:headbang: )

I respectfully disagree sir. You should have looked under the rug, then thrown a grenade under it, just to make sure us "younger .. more focused on RPing and the like than discussing political matters" kiddies would not show up. Or at least call in Air Support, fire scares less intelligent beings.
Anyhow, no I do not think the Democrats are so much more intelligent than the Repubs, as I think that the Democs have some serious heavy hitters, as well as a gigantic support base, sprinkled with a lot of experience. Face it: any republican noobie is either going to grow cynical, mean, and troll-like within the first few weeks on this board or he will leave.

o.O or maybe that was just me? o.O
I'm dubious of this "right wing = Republicans and left wing = Democrats" thing you're suggesting: the only way the Democrats look very liberal is by comparison to the other bunch.

*sigh*

Now, if only the internet would actually show a glimmer of importance in actual political life. I've seen some "good" right-wingers argue, but the only reason why they were "good" is because everyone says they are. All they due is throw around "communist," which is offensive to most people, and other various slander, while slowly picking away at their grammar and siting "reliable" sources. Righties pick a little piece of a topic, and use it as leverage to throw in stuff. They are also objectivist usually, and believe things have a measure and envisioned sense. Lefties have solid arguments, constructed after looking at all sides of a problem. Lefties are usually subjective. And thus, Righties can't comprehend the idea or claim you are wrong. And, its hard to support subjectivism with Good Book quotes and whatnot.

That's why when I attempted to argue with most Righties who use "communist" to piss off people, I rightly call them facists (in the Hitler sense, and they deserve it too, all the one's I have confronted have advocated the killing of many people and wish to strengthen the government). Then they usually rebuttle, "Why you calling names, commie?" And then, just like a tape recorder, they say the same thing again. Repitition is the way to convience most people something, that is, if they're even listening. Sidestepping a topic, and saying something is really nice is also another way for peolpe to like you. In the American political area, Righties are listened to most, and with their repition and "sound" arguements, they sway the masses (for now at least, until everyone notices what way we are going).

What I'm trying to say is, that on the forums, the Left-Wingers may be the top-dog, especially here (I love this forum by the way). But, unfortunately, most Righties win the trophy in my reality, to my utter amazement. I wish I was old enough to remember the Clinton era.

As for me, apparently, I use both sides of my brain equally. That's why I never really bothered to learn which hemisphere does what. I was tested on it or something. So that makes me somekind of support welfare for the rough times, support the environment, give small businesses a chance, while giving some love to the workers, give me real democracy, et cetera. My political stance is on a pendelum, but usually its on the lefty side of things, thanks to my burnt out hippy father. I hate using both sides. I sympathize with both parties equally well, and am torn on various moral subjects.

Around the world, Leftists are making strides most places from what I can tell, everywhere but America and the Middle-East.

*realizes he just gave himself a headache, fills up a glass of water, pops in some painkillers, chugs, and gazes out into the midday Baltic fog*

The left brain is abstract reasoning and the right brain is communication skills, I think.

It is a statistical fact that liberals, on average, are better educated than conservatives. They also tend to listen to the arguements of the opposition in the media. Conservatives tend to only listen to things they agree with. The problem with the conservative arguement is it is memorized from talk radio without thinking about what holes there are in the arguement. By listening and thinking about different points of view, it is easier to point out the holes in the opposition arguement.

That's my theory. But then I'm an educated liberal.

Is it just me or are the left-wingers/anarchists a hell of a lot better at delivering dead-pan pastiches of their counter-ideologies than the right-wingers/statists?

Well we're smater and have a better sense of humor ... it only makes sense.

Well we're smater and have a better sense of humor ... it only makes sense.

Yes, smater indeed.

Yes, smater indeed.

LOL

It is a statistical fact that liberals, on average, are better educated than conservatives. They also tend to listen to the arguements of the opposition in the media. Conservatives tend to only listen to things they agree with. The problem with the conservative arguement is it is memorized from talk radio without thinking about what holes there are in the arguement. By listening and thinking about different points of view, it is easier to point out the holes in the opposition arguement.

That's my theory. But then I'm an educated liberal.

Sigh, does anyone else who's educated - besides me - get tired of this "liberals are smart" or "conservatives are psychologically motivated this way" crap?

Can we just drop the lame stereotypes and bullshit statistics for once? I've seen many 'liberals' whose education only makes them feel bigger and doesn't improve their knowledge in any real way. I've seen many 'conservatives' who listen to things like, even, the opposition. I've seen many 'liberals' who memorize things from talk shows and media without thinking what holes there are in the argument... like the fact that assigning universal attributes to a generalization is stereotyping and a form of ad hominem. And I've seen many 'liberals' who couldn't point out the holes in swiss cheese.

Sigh, does anyone else who's educated - besides me - get tired of this "liberals are smart" or "conservatives are psychologically motivated this way" crap?

Can we just drop the lame stereotypes and bullshit statistics for once? I've seen many 'liberals' whose education only makes them feel bigger and doesn't improve their knowledge in any real way. I've seen many 'conservatives' who listen to things like, even, the opposition. I've seen many 'liberals' who memorize things from talk shows and media without thinking what holes there are in the argument... like the fact that assigning universal attributes to a generalization is stereotyping and a form of ad hominem. And I've seen many 'liberals' who couldn't point out the holes in swiss cheese.

Yep. It's entirely possible to be intelligent and wrong (right-wing) at the same time. ;)