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OH NOES! Not another gun debate!

Tactical Grace
15-11-2005, 22:41
"Every teacher and student should be in a position to return fire."

Discuss. :D
Bolol
15-11-2005, 22:45
"Every teacher and student should be in a position to return fire."

Discuss. :D

Sure...let's give deadly weapons to untrained and potentially emotionally imbalanced kids, and at the same time flood the market even more than it already is...sounds great...like a Redneck barbeque...

And I SUPPORT the 2nd Ammendment...Just not stupidity.
Ifreann
15-11-2005, 22:48
Return fire to who?each other?
No,teachers shouldnt be in a position to return fire if fired upon by a student,cos to be in that position they would have to kepp a gun with them in school,which could be stolen,or the teacher in question could miss and kill an innocent student.

And the same for students,to be in a position to return fire if fired upon by a teacher they would all have to have guns in school.and nobody wants hormonal teenagers having easy access to guns.
The Holy Mtn
15-11-2005, 22:50
Everyone should be able to own a gun AND bring it to school. Mandatory gun ownersip!!!!
Ifreann
15-11-2005, 22:51
Everyone should be able to own a gun AND bring it to school. Mandatory gun ownersip!!!!
*shoots*:mp5:
Kecibukia
15-11-2005, 23:16
"Every teacher and student should be in a position to return fire."

Discuss. :D

A flame inducing thread by an Ex-mod. Is this some kind of Lucifer/Fallen Angel/ Temptation thing. :)
Myrmidonisia
15-11-2005, 23:20
"Every teacher and student should be in a position to return fire."

Discuss. :D
Sort of. It shouldn't be illegal for teachers to possess weapons at school. In past shootings, Kentucky a couple years ago, I believe, a teacher had to run to his car off campus, retrieve his weapon, run back to campus, and then confront the miscreant that was threatening the school personnel. It would have been a lot easier if he could have reached into his desk drawer...

But with all the liberals we have teaching, this sort of thing would be a very rare occurance.
Rotovia-
15-11-2005, 23:20
I can't see a problem here. If everyone had a gun then if one person openend fire you could all kill each other and I could rule the post-apocolyptic wasteland...
Rotovia-
15-11-2005, 23:21
A flame inducing thread by an Ex-mod. Is this some kind of Lucifer/Fallen Angel/ Temptation thing. :)
Silly billy. It's Spam/Borderline FlameBait not a Flame. Jee wizzfizz!
Ifreann
15-11-2005, 23:22
I can't see a problem here. If everyone had a gun then if one person openend fire you could all kill each other and I could rule the post-apocolyptic wasteland...

No,cos everyone around you(and by around i mean within a hundred mile radius) would shoot you before they shot each other.
Myrmidonisia
15-11-2005, 23:23
I can't see a problem here. If everyone had a gun then if one person openend fire you could all kill each other and I could rule the post-apocolyptic wasteland...
But an armed society is a polite society. Truer words were never spoken about guns.
Ifreann
15-11-2005, 23:26
But an armed society is a polite society. Truer words were never spoken about guns.

Yes they were,look:guns fire bullets.

cant get more true than that.unless you say
gun Pronunciation (gn)
n.
1. A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.
2. A cannon with a long barrel and a relatively low angle of fire.
3. A portable firearm, such as a rifle or revolver.
4. A device resembling a firearm or cannon, as in its ability to project something, such as grease, under pressure or at great speed.
5. A discharge of a firearm or cannon as a signal or salute.
6. One, such as a hunter, who carries or uses a gun.
7.
a. A person skilled in the use of a gun.
b. A professional killer: a hired gun.
8. The throttle of an engine, as of an automobile.
v. gunned, gunĀ·ning, guns
v.tr.
1. To shoot (a person): a bank robber who was gunned down by the police.
2. To open the throttle of (an engine) so as to accelerate: gunned the engine and sped off.
3. Maine To hunt (game).
v.intr.
To hunt with a gun.
Phrasal Verb:
gun for
1. To pursue relentlessly so as to overcome or destroy.
2. To go after in earnest; set out to obtain: gunning for a promotion.
Idioms:
go great guns
To proceed or perform with great speed, skill, or success.
hold a gun to (someone's) head
To put pressure on someone.
under the gun
Under great pressure or under threat.
Rotovia-
16-11-2005, 00:11
No,cos everyone around you(and by around i mean within a hundred mile radius) would shoot you before they shot each other.
That's a lie and you know it! LIAR!
Kecibukia
16-11-2005, 00:13
That's a lie and you know it! LIAR!

*BANG!!!*:sniper:
Syniks
16-11-2005, 00:24
<snip>It would have been a lot easier if he could have reached into his desk drawer...
DAMMIT! NO NO NO! :headbang:

Guns are never to be left in any drawer anywhere!

If a firearm is to be a useful tool, it must be carried. All the time. In a secure holster. It's worth jack shit anywhere else and might as well be (should be) locked up.

I'm all for Teachers (ostensibly responsible adults by definition) having the Right to CHOOSE to be armed, though given the very real, and more likely, case of unarmed teen assailants trying to acquire weapony I would prefer that ALL teachers carry Mil-Spec TASERs in the classroom (and retrieve their preferred weapon from the Lounge Gun Locker for the trip home...)
Equus
16-11-2005, 00:37
Sort of. It shouldn't be illegal for teachers to possess weapons at school. In past shootings, Kentucky a couple years ago, I believe, a teacher had to run to his car off campus, retrieve his weapon, run back to campus, and then confront the miscreant that was threatening the school personnel. It would have been a lot easier if he could have reached into his desk drawer...


If kept in a desk drawer, students would have the opportunity to steal the gun if the teacher ever left the classroom, or if empty classrooms were left unlocked.
Kellarly
16-11-2005, 00:45
But an armed society is a polite society. Truer words were never spoken about guns.

Who actually said that? Anyone know?
Syniks
16-11-2005, 00:47
Who actually said that? Anyone know?
Robert A Heinlein / Dr. Jubal Harshaw
Dempublicents1
16-11-2005, 00:48
But an armed society is a polite society. Truer words were never spoken about guns.

Yes, because the Wild West was so very polite....
Dempublicents1
16-11-2005, 00:48
Who actually said that? Anyone know?

Someone who never bothered to study human history.
Kecibukia
16-11-2005, 00:49
Yes, because the Wild West was so very polite....

It had a lower violent crime rate than we have today.
Syniks
16-11-2005, 00:51
Yes, because the Wild West was so very polite....
Except in "Wild West" Fiction... which is all that anyone ever hears about.

Thank you Sergio Leone. :rolleyes:
Kellarly
16-11-2005, 00:52
Robert A Heinlein / Dr. Jubal Harshaw

Thanks.
Kellarly
16-11-2005, 00:53
Someone who never bothered to study human history.

I'm inclined to agree to a point.

That said though, there is evidence either way, so i'm still out on an opinion right now.
McKagan
16-11-2005, 00:55
Sure...let's give deadly weapons to untrained and potentially emotionally imbalanced kids, and at the same time flood the market even more than it already is...sounds great...like a Redneck barbeque...

And I SUPPORT the 2nd Ammendment...Just not stupidity.

Agreed.

If every high school girl had a sidearm, we'd all be dead the second they became angry, which wouldn't be long.
Sick Nightmares
16-11-2005, 01:11
DAMMIT! NO NO NO! :headbang:

Guns are never to be left in any drawer anywhere!

If a firearm is to be a useful tool, it must be carried. All the time. In a secure holster. It's worth jack shit anywhere else and might as well be (should be) locked up.

I'm all for Teachers (ostensibly responsible adults by definition) having the Right to CHOOSE to be armed, though given the very real, and more likely, case of unarmed teen assailants trying to acquire weapony I would prefer that ALL teachers carry Mil-Spec TASERs in the classroom (and retrieve their preferred weapon from the Lounge Gun Locker for the trip home...)
I agree whole heartedly.
Myrmidonisia
16-11-2005, 01:49
Except in "Wild West" Fiction... which is all that anyone ever hears about.

Thank you Sergio Leone. :rolleyes:
Or in certain scholarly writings by an Emory professor. Who is now unemployed because he lied in those scholarly writings.

Sorry about the desk drawer thing. I was distracted by some alarms on the ship. They were running the general alarm test early today.
Equus
16-11-2005, 02:06
Sorry about the desk drawer thing. I was distracted by some alarms on the ship. They were running the general alarm test early today.

Sounds like a pretty good explanation to me. :D

Test alarms that go out of schedule would have me distracted too.
Myrmidonisia
16-11-2005, 02:12
I was halfway to my muster station before the announcement came to "disregard any future alarms".

I'll be glad when this little excursion is over. One should be young and fit to be subjected to this life at sea. On the positive side of the balance sheet, my hazardous duty pay from the company will look good in the bank account.
Deep Kimchi
16-11-2005, 02:13
Or in certain scholarly writings by an Emory professor. Who is now unemployed because he lied in those scholarly writings.

Sorry about the desk drawer thing. I was distracted by some alarms on the ship. They were running the general alarm test early today.

Oh, Belesiles, the corrupt, falsifying poster child for how to be a liberal gun control activist presenting 100% lies as academic truth only to be found out and discredited?

Whose book contract was revoked? Awards retracted? Tenure lost? Because so many people (even those who weren't pro-gun) found Belesiles' book to be 100% bullshit?
The Cat-Tribe
16-11-2005, 02:22
But an armed society is a polite society. Truer words were never spoken about guns.

Even when we are talking about children?

Don't be silly.
The Cat-Tribe
16-11-2005, 02:24
It had a lower violent crime rate than we have today.

ROTFLASTC
Nosas
16-11-2005, 02:27
Yes, because the Wild West was so very polite....
"I never killed anybody that didn't need killin'." Orrin Porter Rockwell: truer words were never spoken :D

Wild West was more dangerous than polite.
Myrmidonisia
16-11-2005, 02:27
Even when we are talking about children?

Don't be silly.
I didn't mention children.

Don't be silly, either.
The Cat-Tribe
16-11-2005, 02:30
I didn't mention children.

Don't be silly, either.

In context of a thread suggesting everyone (kids included) should be armed at school, your comment in context suggested support for the idea.

I'm glad you recognize that arming children is absurd.
Myrmidonisia
16-11-2005, 02:35
I'm glad you recognize that arming children is absurd.
That's not entirely true, either, but close enough for this thread.