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Personally, I think crucifixion is a great way to deter would be terrorists/criminals. Bah, so it violates the 8th amendment. Big freakin' deal.

Those willing to sacrfice security to earn a little freedom deserve neither! That's what Thomas Jefferson said to Benjamin Franklin before he slapped that fat man!

Anyway, you could put up the crucified along the roads and such. It'd be great!

PS, do you dig my sig?

.............but what about the lumber and nail shortages it would cause?

Edit: where is the rabbit of world domination:eek:

only if we bring back flogging.... nailing people to a tree doesn't do a thing for me.... now severe spankings that's a different matter:D

Should crucifixion be brought back?

It never left.

Yes... yes it has.

Personally, I'd rather have ordinary criminals fight to the death in an arena, but that's just me.

Crucifixion is best reserved for subversive threats to the nation, like terrorists.

Methinks you'd have to get rid of the ban on cruel and unusual punishment first....

Sorry, Crucifix is apparently a registered trademark of the Christian Church. You'll need to call it something else. I suggest T-sticking.

Haha, wow, and I just watched 'The Life of Brian' yesterday...

Well, if I have to die at the hands of the State, crucifiction is probably a better way to go than the alternatives in terms of martyrdom, I guess.

Well, if I have to die at the hands of the State, crucifiction is probably a better way to go than the alternatives in terms of martyrdom, I guess.

No, the best would be a firing squad. It's fast and you're still able to say moving last words that can be turned in to a rallying cry. With crucifixion, you're just going to strangle and can barely talk.

Which one do you mean: the legendary one where they drive nails through your palms and feet, or the real one where they tie you in an impossible situation and you die by hanging yourself with your own tendons?

Oh yes, lets bring back crucification! it will bring us closer to God!

I prefer mass impalement. Crucifixion has just fixed itself in the popular consciousness as a martyr's death. But Vlad Tepes had it right.

Gee why not draw and quarter people at monster truck shows instead? Ticket sales, concessions, parking, gas money... not to mention pay-per-view. And then Mechzilla or whatever it's called can eat the leftovers.

Methinks you'd have to get rid of the ban on cruel and unusual punishment first....
It's neither cruel nor unusual. Well, it' depends on ones perception, but still.

I think this would be a great form of capital punishment. Besides, it would renew interest in Roman history and culture!

As for gladiatorial games? Why not? Reserve crucifixion for terrorists; colosseum games for domestic threats.

Which one do you mean: the legendary one where they drive nails through your palms and feet, or the real one where they tie you in an impossible situation and you die by hanging yourself with your own tendons?
The one that actually works, I'd imagine.
If people got to bleed to death from it, the executioner wouldn't have any opportunity to break their legs so they suffocate faster...

i think that befor we bring back crusifiction we should bring back the use of public stocks, and see if that helps reduce the crime rate

You do know that Jesus was crucified, right?

No. Out of all the forms of ancient punishment crucifixion is the best. It's painful, it's slow, it's agonizing and as a deterrent, it works.

You do know that Jesus was crucified, right?

Your point?

I still think you need to work in monster trucks somehow. Crucifixion is a lil' too slow for modern tastes.

Send in Mechzilla!

Which one do you mean: the legendary one where they drive nails through your palms and feet, or the real one where they tie you in an impossible situation and you die by hanging yourself with your own tendons?
You don't die that way. You die when your lungs collapse and you suffocate.

It's neither cruel nor unusual. Well, it' depends on ones perception, but still.
Being impaled, knifed, in a slow agonizing way isn't cruel?:confused:

Which one do you mean: the legendary one where they drive nails through your palms and feet, or the real one where they tie you in an impossible situation and you die by hanging yourself with your own tendons?You don't die that way. You die when your lungs collapse and you suffocate.
I am fairly sure that it is a combination of gravity and shear. The weight of the human body pulling down while the arms are held up and off to the side eventually obstructs the windpipe. Anyways, that’s what I read somewhere.

Painful! Come on guys, bring it back already!

I am fairly sure that it is a combination of gravity and shear. The weight of the human body pulling down while the arms are held up and off to the side eventually obstructs the windpipe. Anyways, that’s what I read somewhere.
It does obstruct your windpipe, but not enough to kill you. Just enough to put you through intense agony.

Nailing the Hands
Paralysis of Median Nerve.
Unimaginable pain at first, then paralysis and numbness.
Nailing the Feet
Paralysis of deep peroneal nerve of the feet.
Respiratory effects
Inability to exhale fully.
Hypercarbia (increased carbon dioxide).
Muscle tetany creates a viscous circle. To properly exhale required lifting the body. Each respiratory effort required so much muscular effort that muscle fatigue would cause the victim to die by asphyxia.
Cause of death
The primary cause of death by crucifixion is asphyxiation. That is, the victim slowly suffocates until dead.

Other contributing factors:

Hypovolemic shock
Exhaustion
Dehydration
Stress induced arrhythmias
Congestive heart failure
Pericardial and pleural effusions
Cardiac rupture.
***** End of excerpts from Dr. Mark Eastman *****

It strains credibility to believe someone could survive such an ordeal. Crucifixion was the most painful, medically disastrous way to die; the Romans designed it to be cruel.
http://www.dyeager.org/skeptic/deathofjesus.php

No. Out of all the forms of ancient punishment crucifixion is the best. It's painful, it's slow, it's agonizing and as a deterrent, it works.
that is true but i have a feeling that the general population would enjoy the satisfaction of throwing nasty vegetables and such at thieves and who ever else

You don't die that way. You die when your lungs collapse and you suffocate.
Or like that.
I am fairly sure that it is a combination of gravity and shear. The weight of the human body pulling down while the arms are held up and off to the side eventually obstructs the windpipe. Anyways, that’s what I read somewhere.
Or like that.
You figure it out. I suck at anatomy.

*snip*
Unfortunately, the site you quoted apparently thinks that the Romans would have used nails. Using nails is stupid, because it means the person crucified dies in a matter of hours, instead of three days.

Unfortunately, the site you quoted apparently thinks that the Romans would have used nails. Using nails is stupid, because it means the person crucified dies in a matter of hours, instead of three days.
Plus, they just had no other way in which to waste iron.

Unfortunately, the site you quoted apparently thinks that the Romans would have used nails. Using nails is stupid, because it means the person crucified dies in a matter of hours, instead of three days.
Yeah. I know. That's retarded.

sure bring it back,but only for those jesus people that blow up abortion clinics and such

actualy some people that were crusified by the romans did servive for 3 days, but usualy the romans came by and broke you legs be for that
if you legs were broken you could no hold you self up to breathe... so you died faster

Methinks you'd have to get rid of the ban on cruel and unusual punishment first....

Punishments by definition HAVE to be cruel and unusual.

If it is not cruel, how does it punish?

If it is usual, then it is being dished out too often and is an ineffective punishment.

Punishments by definition HAVE to be cruel and unusual.

If it is not cruel, how does it punish?

If it is usual, then it is being dished out too often and is an ineffective punishment.

Hmm... You speak the truth.

Stoning would be far more cost effective. But personally I would prefer to use the Gallagher. It's a bit messier, but it gets the point across.

The... Gallagher?

The... Gallagher?
Yes, it's a device similar in design to the guillotine, only it's called the Gallagher. Put 2 and 2 together and you should get an idea as to what it's like.

Yes... yes it has.

In the twentieth century, it was, to name a few instances, instituted at Dachau during the Holocaust and in Pol Pot's Cambodia. To this day, crucifixion is - as a means of execution – variously employed by Chinese detention-center guards (against Falun Gong practitioners), slave-owners in the Sudan, and ethno-religious militias from Central Africa to greater Indonesia. As a devotional or exorcistic Christian measure (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4107524.stm), it is intermittently practiced (not necessarily to lethal effect) about the world.

In the twentieth century, it was, to name a few instances, instituted at Dachau during the Holocaust and in Pol Pot's Cambodia. To this day, crucifixion is - as a means of execution – variously employed by Chinese detention-center guards (against Falun Gong practitioners), slave-owners in the Sudan, and ethno-religious militias from Central Africa to greater Indonesia. As a devotional or exorcistic Christian measure (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4107524.stm), it is intermittently practiced (not necessarily to lethal effect) about the world.

I stand corrected! My apologies! :(

Those willing to sacrfice security to earn a little freedom deserve neither! That's what Thomas Jefferson said to Benjamin Franklin before he slapped that fat man!


Isn't that quote backwards? If it isn't, I'm calling it historical legend because that seems the opposite of anything Jefferson would ever say.

Haha, wow, and I just watched 'The Life of Brian' yesterday...

And there are worse things than crucifixion. You could be stabbed.

At least when you're crucified you get some fresh air.

Crucifiction? Brought back? Hell no!

Personally, I think crucifixion is a great way to deter would be terrorists/criminals. Bah, so it violates the 8th amendment. Big freakin' deal.

Those willing to sacrfice security to earn a little freedom deserve neither! That's what Thomas Jefferson said to Benjamin Franklin before he slapped that fat man!

Anyway, you could put up the crucified along the roads and such. It'd be great!


Great Idea! Let's start with the world leaders, the politicians, the lawyers, the bankers and all the rest of the rich people. The poor people are required for building these structures. The poor will then become the rich. Repeat process until...... ? :p

Anyway, you could put up the crucified along the roads and such. It'd be great!
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Crucifiction? People are still crucified, but as a show of faith in God in some cultures. As a punishment, no. Deterence doesn't work, history shows that.
PS, you dig my sig?
I can't see your sig. I might just be me though.

No. Out of all the forms of ancient punishment crucifixion is the best. It's painful, it's slow, it's agonizing and as a deterrent, it works.

And if you happen to be innocent, too bad for you?

Would you gladly embrace crucifixion if you were wrongly convicted?

Geeze, what is it with some of you primitives... Grow up, and live in the 21st century! The modern world is appalled at the US being backward enough to still use the death penalty, but I see it's possible to be even more backward than that.

Personally, I think crucifixion is a great way to deter would be terrorists/criminals. Bah, so it violates the 8th amendment. Big freakin' deal.

Those willing to sacrfice security to earn a little freedom deserve neither! That's what Thomas Jefferson said to Benjamin Franklin before he slapped that fat man!

Anyway, you could put up the crucified along the roads and such. It'd be great!

PS, do you dig my sig?

I'm sorry, your argument for such a punishment is pethetic. How can you expect to be taken seriously when your argument is based on utter misconceptions based around your CNN culture. I'm sorry but i cant take anybody seriously with a signature like yours, its like the media said jump and you shouted "how high?". I havn't even looked at the issue yet and your arguments for it and I already have a pretty accurate picture of the type of person you are. Using Totalitarianism in a sentence doesn't make you clever by the way.

I'm sorry, your argument for such a punishment is pethetic. How can you expect to be taken seriously when your argument is based on utter misconceptions based around your CNN culture. I'm sorry but i cant take anybody seriously with a signature like yours, its like the media said jump and you shouted "how high?". I havn't even looked at the issue yet and your arguments for it and I already have a pretty accurate picture of the type of person you are. Using Totalitarianism in a sentence doesn't make you clever by the way.

You know, the media gets blamed for a lot. I, for one, will step forward and say that Poopoo's signature is NOT the media's fault.

Personally, I'd rather have ordinary criminals fight to the death in an arena, but that's just me.

Crucifixion is best reserved for subversive threats to the nation, like terrorists.

Like that old Schwartzenegger movie Running Man.

Crucifixion takes too long - hard to entertain a crowd. And shooting or hanging is fine for half-time at a football game, but generally too short to entertain properly.

Drawing and quartering, or burning at the stake, or being boiled in oil until the flesh falls off is better. Oh, and impalement.

And if you happen to be innocent, too bad for you?

Would you gladly embrace crucifixion if you were wrongly convicted?

Geeze, what is it with some of you primitives... Grow up, and live in the 21st century! The modern world is appalled at the US being backward enough to still use the death penalty, but I see it's possible to be even more backward than that.

THAT'S THE GREAT THING!! ITS NOT INSTANTANEOUS!!!!

I read a story in Private Eye once about a guy thought that God appeared to him in his toilet, saying that he was the messiah and had to crucify himself at once. Unfortunatly after he'd nailed the first hand in he realised that he couldn't actually nail his other hand in so he dialed 999. I'll see if I can find the story.

Crucifiction is too easy on the terrorists. They should have their limbs amputated, and the limbless stups should be forced to watch as their children are strangled and their corpses used to beat their wives to death. Those lacking wives and kids can watch their siblings killed and used to beat their parents to death.

we may as well. how we ever gonna get a second coming without crosses?

Soft punishment doesn't work as a deterrent, that's true.

Crucifixion, however, would work as a great deterrent. After Sparatcus revolted there was never a major slave revolt in Roman history. Why? Because after the legions ass-pounded the slaves, they crucified them and put them up all along the Via Appia!

It works! Fact!

My quote isn't wrong, either! Benjamin said the opposite of my quote and that's how Jefferson responded!

Using totalitarianism in a sentence is cool, though I never said it was before now! Besides, those using the "End Capitalist Exploitation" sig forgot the other half of it! I didn't!

Communism works... its way into totalitarianism! Fact.

Crucifixion brought back? Of course! We could kill the Christians and all the enemies of Rome! Hell, who knows we might even be able to found a new religion, we all know that the electric chair doesn't make a good necklace/set of earings/tattoo/sacred footstuff.

Unless you didn't notice I answered the question with an appropriate level of seriousness.

Unless you didn't notice I answered the question with an appropriate level of seriousness.

Thanks for agreeing with me. Since this is the Internet and sarcasm is impossible to ascertain, I assume you think I'm 100% right!

Thanks for playing the game but...

YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR! (http://youlose.ytmnd.com/)

Thanks for agreeing with me. Since this is the Internet and sarcasm is impossible to ascertain, I assume you think I'm 100% right!

Thanks for playing the game but...

YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR! (http://youlose.ytmnd.com/)

Only an idiot would have taken you seriously at the beginning... some other posters did though and it was mainly aimed at showing them the nature of the thread.

Thanks for the Gene Wilder link none the less. I would have preferred something from the Producers, but you can't win them all. ;)

God yeah, imagine the deterrent that would be to capital crimes...

Crucifixtion is best used as a wartime terror weapon. Crucify prisoners alongside roads and in sacked cities, sometimes combined with mutilation or spears stuck in painful places.

Peacetime isn't its proper use.

That's true... In peactime you could have the return of the Colosseum!

I read a story in Private Eye once about a guy thought that God appeared to him in his toilet, saying that he was the messiah and had to crucify himself at once. Unfortunatly after he'd nailed the first hand in he realised that he couldn't actually nail his other hand in so he dialed 999. I'll see if I can find the story.

Self-crucifixion is possible with a pre-fixed, outward-facing nail.