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The Fench have won most major European conflicts in the last 1000 years and ya know why... because 1000 years ago they conquered the British and imposed a French/Scandanavian ruling class on them that has ruled ever since, therefore all British victories over the last 1000 years are actually French victories, and the vast majority of European wars have seen either the France or Great Britian on the winning side. Surrender monkeys my bum, did Churchill surrender? Never, and therefore neither did the French.

The Fench have won most major European conflicts in the last 1000 years and ya know why... because 1000 years ago they conquered the British and imposed a French/Scandanavian ruling class on them that has ruled ever since, therefore all British victories over the last 1000 years are actually French victories, and the vast majority of European wars have seen either the France or Great Britian on the winning side. Surrender monkeys my bum, did Churchill surrender? Never, and therefore neither did the French.

Um technically the Normans weren't French. They were descended from Scandinavian Vikin immigrants... so no... sorry.

The Fench have won most major European conflicts in the last 1000 years and ya know why... because 1000 years ago they conquered the British and imposed a French/Scandanavian ruling class on them that has ruled ever since, therefore all British victories over the last 1000 years are actually French victories, and the vast majority of European wars have seen either the France or Great Britian on the winning side. Surrender monkeys my bum, did Churchill surrender? Never, and therefore neither did the French.


Actually they werent the french,they were the normans,who were vikings,who were scandanavians,who,if you go back far enough,were monkeys.

Therefore monkeys have won every war in history.

Vive la france!



Death to the anti-France knucklewalkers and barbarians.

Yeah....what the second and third posters said. I'd read your history books more closely old chap. I mean, we could say that since many Americans are descendants of the English, that many American victories were in fact English victories....

As some have already stated, the Normans were Norse men. Hence the name.

Um technically the Normans weren't French. They were descended from Scandinavian Vikin immigrants... so no... sorry.
but they had accepted french language and culture and france defines being french in that manner, look at their official position on their remaining colonial possession and immigration... you are french if you accept the virtues and customs of france into your heart... the normans did, therefore they were and are french

um the Normons, who we have already established as Vikings took over England. Not to mention the fact that modern France couldn't conquer a bar of soap let alone an actual country.:)

military experience leads to surrender-monkey-ism? just a thought.
a "war? been there, done that, doesn't really solve much" sort of view develops once your country's been militaristic/imperialistc long enough? america is pretty young after all...

Yeah....what the second and third posters said. I'd read your history books more closely old chap. I mean, we could say that since many Americans are descendants of the English, that many American victories were in fact English victories....

well yes and therefore french victories.... even more examples of the military might of the greater france of the heart.

As I recall, humans originated in Africa. Look out KKK - it turns out you are against people from the continent with the combined power of all military victories in the world EVER!

Then if we used your logic, one could say, based on recent scientific theory, that Humans had their orgins in Eastern Africa.

And if every human being orginally came from Africa, that makes every military victory over the course of human history an African Victory.

but they had accepted french language and culture and france defines being french in that manner, look at their official position on their remaining colonial possession and immigration... you are french if you accept the virtues and customs of france into your heart... the normans did, therefore they were and are french
Not really people throughout the commonwealth have accepted the English language and English customs. That does not make them English.

As I recall, humans originated in Africa. Look out KKK - it turns out you are against people from the continent with the combined power of all military victories in the world EVER!
and the first bacterium has never actually died and therefore remains immortal as long as life exists on earth.

but they had accepted french language and culture and france defines being french in that manner, look at their official position on their remaining colonial possession and immigration... you are french if you accept the virtues and customs of france into your heart... the normans did, therefore they were and are french

not really,the just changed there name and stopped pillaging for a while,then they got restless and took over england.then took a break,then invaded ireland.


And what about the french who inveded england?they certainly didnt keep then french virtues or customs or even language,so they're english.

My point ultimately is,you cant claim someone elses military victories just because you invaved their country.

Not really people throughout the commonwealth have accepted the English language and English customs. That does not make them English.
well the english(sub grouping of the greater french) have never had the same ideal of the relationship between the colonial and colonizing peoples... we can safely say that indian military victories don't count toward the greater french total.

not really,the just changed there name and stopped pillaging for a while,then they got restless and took over england.then took a break,then invaded ireland.


And what about the french who inveded england?they certainly didnt keep then french virtues or customs or even language,so they're english.

My point ultimately is,you cant claim someone elses military victories just because you invaved their country.
point a: no that's actually not the nature of the norman conquest, william the bastard(later the conquerer) invaded england because he had a claim on the british throne based on kinship, as did the danish king who also invaded.

point b: french and british language and custom have diverged over the last 1000 years true, but it was french that was spoken in the english court for 100s of years after the conquest, and french fuedal custom the normans imposed(certainly not scandanacvian language of social organization).

point c. well that's the whole crux of my argument, i maintain that you can provided your invasion imposed your culture on the invade nation sufficient to render it a part of the greater whole of your own nation.

well the english(sub grouping of the greater french) have never had the same ideal of the relationship between the colonial and colonizing peoples... we can safely say that indian military victories don't count toward the greater french total.
Um nope... the English are actually descended from a variety of Germanic and Celtic sources. What exactly do you think of the way the French Empire turned out? Vietnam, Algeria etc and the thousands of mistreated, undervalued people from their former colonies rioting in France for what should rightfully be theirs? Actually it turned out pretty badly, so they may well wish to cling to us if they to claim at least one success...

Well we still kicked your ass in Agincourt, The Nile, Waterloo, Trafalgar, WWII, and a good number of other occasions, so, meh. You can call us French if you'd like but I think you'd find we'd deny it, forever.

As was said, the normans where descendants of the vikings(Scandinavians) NOT the French.

point a: no that's actually not the nature of the norman conquest, william the bastard(later the conquerer) invaded england because he had a claim on the british throne based on kinship, as did the danish king who also invaded.
meh,i havent done history in 3 years

point b: french and british language and custom have diverged over the last 1000 years true, but it was french that was spoken in the english court for 100s of years after the conquest, and french fuedal custom the normans imposed(certainly not scandanacvian language of social organization).

But if you go back far enough,all humans once had the same language and customs,so saying the english were once the same,essentially,as the french means nothing.the divergance is what makes them distinct.france has no claim over the english military victories because they diverged,and are now totally seperate nations.

The Normans had a different language to the French.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_language

It was similar to French, but not the same language - I seem to remeber courts of French kings saw the Norman language as backward and common.

Well we still kicked your ass in Agincourt, The Nile, Waterloo, Trafalgar, WWII, and a good number of other occasions, so, meh. You can call us French if you'd like but I think you'd find we'd deny it, forever.

As was said, the normans where descendants of the vikings(Scandinavians) NOT the French.pssst the french were on the same side as the brits during ww2 unless you count the vichy regime, but then you need to count edward the 8th since be was pro nazi too.

Actually they werent the french,they were the normans,who were vikings,who were scandanavians,who,if you go back far enough,were monkeys.

Therefore monkeys have won every war in history.
BOW DOWN TO YOUR MONKEY OVERLORDS!:D

The Normans had a different language to the French.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_language

It was similar to French, but not the same language - I seem to remeber courts of French kings saw the Norman language as backward and common.
but it was french derived not germanic. they had given up their norse tongue and adopted a varient of french which they then imposed on the british from adove which is why while english is at its root germanic its "proper" vocabulary tends to be romance derived... its why swearing in english is in germanic terms but intellectual discussion of biological functions is done in term latin in origin.

The Fench have won most major European conflicts in the last 1000 years and ya know why... because 1000 years ago they conquered the British and imposed a French/Scandanavian ruling class on them that has ruled ever since, therefore all British victories over the last 1000 years are actually French victories, and the vast majority of European wars have seen either the France or Great Britian on the winning side. Surrender monkeys my bum, did Churchill surrender? Never, and therefore neither did the French.


the normans(or french as you like to call them) never conquered scotland, in fact they had the "Auld Alliance" with Scotland(though the wimps didnt have the bottle to answer any call of help)

But if you go back far enough,all humans once had the same language and customs,so saying the english were once the same,essentially,as the french means nothing.the divergance is what makes them distinct.france has no claim over the english military victories because they diverged,and are now totally seperate nations.
i'm not denying they are seperate nations, but they are part of the greater france of the heart and the mind... just as no one would deny scandanavian independence from both germany and each other, but they are still part of the greater germanic culture(as i will admit to an extent are the british, but i think culturally they are closer to the french)

but it was french derived not germanic. they had given up their norse tongue and adopted a varient of french which they then imposed on the british from adove which is why while english is at its root germanic its "proper" vocabulary tends to be romance derived... its why swearing in english is in germanic terms but intellectual discussion of biological functions is done in term latin in origin.

biology is done in latin so everyone in all countries can understand it.thats why all the human body parts have latin names,so its universal.the same is true for all the sciences where latin is involved.

And latin is most definately not french.so really all your french victories are roman victories because the french language is derived from latin.

i'm not denying they are seperate nations, but they are part of the greater france of the heart and the mind... just as no one would deny scandanavian independence from both germany and each other, but they are still part of the greater germanic culture(as i will admit to an extent are the british, but i think culturally they are closer to the french)

So you can claim all their military victories,because they're french at heart?

I deem you to be irish at heart.therefore all your victories are belong to us.

the normans(or french as you like to call them) never conquered scotland, in fact they had the "Auld Alliance" with Scotland(though the wimps didnt have the bottle to answer any call of help)


yup aside from their adoption of the english language the scotts are still culturally part of the celtic fringe along with ireland, wales, the isle of man, cornwall, brittany(in france mind you) and maybe galicia and asturias in spain to a certain extent.

biology is done in latin so everyone in all countries can understand it.thats why all the human body parts have latin names,so its universal.the same is true for all the sciences where latin is involved.

And latin is most definately not french.so really all your french victories are roman victories because the french language is derived from latin.

well yeah of course almost all european victory can be claimed to be italian victories or even greek victories, but for me that going just a step too far, pretty soon we are all bowing down to mitochondrial eve and asking the bonobos for dating advice.... no france is just far enough back to still count, ancient rome just a bit too far.

So you can claim all their military victories,because they're french at heart?

I deem you to be irish at heart.therefore all your victories are belong to us.
damn you and your "all your base" references, don't you know down that slippery slope lies madness.... madness i say.

the normans(or french as you like to call them) never conquered scotland, in fact they had the "Auld Alliance" with Scotland(though the wimps didnt have the bottle to answer any call of help)

Yeah, poor Scots. The French would ask for them to attack England whilst the bulk of their army were fighting the French, promising help, then not send enough, leaving the Scots to be sent home by smaller, but far more tactically led, better equipped and better trained English armies.

Yet another point of contention between Britain and France.