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Okay, I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, and I won't claim that my information is completely accurate. If you are willing to correct me, groovy. But my thread(like so many of mine) is for entertainment purposes. So if you make a debate out of it, I'll send scrotum-seeking attack weasels to your house. :p

My understanding is that according to the Jehovah's Witnesses, that only 144,000 people will ascend to Heaven. Their entire faith is based on making sure they're among the 144,000. Yet, there are more than 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses. SO why the hell are they still recruiting?!? If I were a Jehovah's Witness, I wouldn't recruit anybody else. :p

WHich brings me to my next observation: This belief that only 144,000 are going to ascend to Heaven is also very convenient for non-Witnesses. Why? Because if you're not a Jehovah's Witness, the last thing you'd want is to spend eternity in a place with 143,999 Jehovah's Witnesses! :D

Oh, I can hardly wait for this rapture! Good riddance, I say.

Off-topic LG...But you have a PSP.

Happened to get SOCOM?

I would die to never have one of the 144,000+ knocking at my door. Alas, I would have to die for this to happen!

144,000 Jehovahs witnesses? Sounds alot like Hell to me. *shrugs*

Maybe there's a boring part of heaven where the Jehova's Witnesses spent eternity.
And a fun part were other good guys are, and were we/they have fun. Having a beer, y'know.
Or is that called hell?
Or is spending eternity with 143.999 Jehova's Witnesses hell?

err...

My assumption was that Jehovah's Witnesses viewed heaven as a sort of Pyramid Scheme. The top 144,000 coverters will get to go to heaven, and all the people that they converted will go to Hell anyway because they weren't convincing enough.
Although, out of optimism, I have appended the hope that this scheme includes at least some rewards for sellers not in the top 144,000, like maybe they get a free toaster or get priority seating for their eternal damnation.

Off-topic LG...But you have a PSP.

Happened to get SOCOM?

Not yet. Any good?

What's really funny is that none of them seem to realize that, by their own logic, the 144,000 is not just for people alive now, or at the time of the hypothetical rapture, but is drawn from everyone alive in the last two thousand years. Which cuts down their chances even further.

It's my favorite way of driving a JW or fundamentalist Chirstian crazy: When they start talking about the Rapture, just casually say, "Oh, you're still waiting for it? Sorry, but it's already happened. Looks like you didn't make the cut either."

:p

My assumption was that Jehovah's Witnesses viewed heaven as a sort of Pyramid Scheme. The top 144,000 coverters will get to go to heaven, and all the people that they converted will go to Hell anyway because they weren't convincing enough.
Although, out of optimism, I have appended the hope that this scheme includes at least some rewards for sellers not in the top 144,000, like maybe they get a free toaster or get priority seating for their eternal damnation.

I'd like a seat near the bathroom.

There is no guarantee that this is accurate, but I read that the JW's who aren't in the 144,000 get ressurrected on earth, only the earth has been made really nice. The person who wrote what I read wasn't a JW though, and I haven't checked an encyclopaedia or anything.

Not yet. Any good?
Controls are something one would have to get used to. But I like the whole infrastructure thing that lets you play anyone in the world (At the moment only USA and Canada :)) on your little PSP.

Okay, I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, and I won't claim that my information is completely accurate. If you are willing to correct me, groovy. But my thread(like so many of mine) is for entertainment purposes. So if you make a debate out of it, I'll send scrotum-seeking attack weasels to your house. :p

My understanding is that according to the Jehovah's Witnesses, that only 144,000 people will ascend to Heaven. Their entire faith is based on making sure they're among the 144,000. Yet, there are more than 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses. SO why the hell are they still recruiting?!? If I were a Jehovah's Witness, I wouldn't recruit anybody else. :p

WHich brings me to my next observation: This belief that only 144,000 are going to ascend to Heaven is also very convenient for non-Witnesses. Why? Because if you're not a Jehovah's Witness, the last thing you'd want is to spend eternity in a place with 143,999 Jehovah's Witnesses! :D

Revelation 7

2. And I saw another angel coming from the east, carrying the Great Seal of the Living God. And he shouted out to those four angels who had been given power to injure earth and sea,
3. ``Wait! Don't do anything yet--hurt neither earth nor sea nor trees--until we have placed the Seal of God upon the foreheads of his servants.''
4. How many were given this mark? I heard the number--it was 144,000; out of all twelve tribes of Israel, as listed here: ; Judah 12,000; Reuben 12,000; Gad 12,000; Asher 12,000;
Naphtali 12,000; Manasseh 12,000; Simeon 12,000; Levi 12,000; Issachar 12,000; Zebulun 12,000; Joseph 12,000; Benjamin 12,000
9. After this I saw a vast crowd, too great to count, from all nations and provinces and languages, standing in front of the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white, with palm branches in their hands.


These are only JEWS, not gentiles. All the rest of us are included in "a vast crowd", as stated in Revelation 7:9 :)

Revelation 7

2. And I saw another angel coming from the east, carrying the Great Seal of the Living God. And he shouted out to those four angels who had been given power to injure earth and sea,
3. ``Wait! Don't do anything yet--hurt neither earth nor sea nor trees--until we have placed the Seal of God upon the foreheads of his servants.''
4. How many were given this mark? I heard the number--it was 144,000; out of all twelve tribes of Israel, as listed here: ; Judah 12,000; Reuben 12,000; Gad 12,000; Asher 12,000;
Naphtali 12,000; Manasseh 12,000; Simeon 12,000; Levi 12,000; Issachar 12,000; Zebulun 12,000; Joseph 12,000; Benjamin 12,000
9. After this I saw a vast crowd, too great to count, from all nations and provinces and languages, standing in front of the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white, with palm branches in their hands.


These are only JEWS, not gentiles. All the rest of us are included in "a vast crowd", as stated in Revelation 7:9 :)


Dude Joseph wasn't a jew! He was Hebrew.
Judah was the Jew.

Please learn the difference between Hebrew (any of the 12 tribes) and Jew (Judah). I am Hebrew (Joseph: of Ephriam) I am not Jewish or a jew.
I am possibly one of the 12, 000 for this reason. (If I'm alive at that moment lol)

Just wanted to make sure you knew the distinction.

Those last two posts seem to be going very close to 'debating'. You may want to watch out for those scrotum-seeking attack weasels.

Those last two posts seem to be going very close to 'debating'. You may want to watch out for those scrotum-seeking attack weasels.

I noticed. And I'm watching them closely.

My uncle is an elder in the Jehovah's Winess, so I have to here about this sort of thing every time I see him. According to them the majority of people who live on earth in paradise, being that earth was supposed to be the original paradise(Garden of Eden). Those 144,000 who make it to heaven don't necessarily live in a better paradise than those on earth, but they will be the one's who help govern this new world.

Don't believe a word of it myself, but just thought I'd clarify.

There is no guarantee that this is accurate, but I read that the JW's who aren't in the 144,000 get ressurrected on earth, only the earth has been made really nice. The person who wrote what I read wasn't a JW though, and I haven't checked an encyclopaedia or anything.
You are correct--I was a JW for 26 years, and have been in recovery for the last 11. :D That's an accurate understanding of their beliefs, though.

Okay, I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, and I won't claim that my information is completely accurate. If you are willing to correct me, groovy. But my thread(like so many of mine) is for entertainment purposes. So if you make a debate out of it, I'll send scrotum-seeking attack weasels to your house. :p

My understanding is that according to the Jehovah's Witnesses, that only 144,000 people will ascend to Heaven. Their entire faith is based on making sure they're among the 144,000. Yet, there are more than 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses. SO why the hell are they still recruiting?!? If I were a Jehovah's Witness, I wouldn't recruit anybody else. :p

WHich brings me to my next observation: This belief that only 144,000 are going to ascend to Heaven is also very convenient for non-Witnesses. Why? Because if you're not a Jehovah's Witness, the last thing you'd want is to spend eternity in a place with 143,999 Jehovah's Witnesses! :D

Because they believe there is an undefined number of people who will live forever on earth.

*is ex-jw*

My assumption was that Jehovah's Witnesses viewed heaven as a sort of Pyramid Scheme. The top 144,000 coverters will get to go to heaven, and all the people that they converted will go to Hell anyway because they weren't convincing enough.
Although, out of optimism, I have appended the hope that this scheme includes at least some rewards for sellers not in the top 144,000, like maybe they get a free toaster or get priority seating for their eternal damnation.

Not exactly "top converters", but it works somewhat like that. There's some "chosen ones", supposedly handpicked by god's spirit, but they're not necessarily the "best salesmen".

What's really funny is that none of them seem to realize that, by their own logic, the 144,000 is not just for people alive now, or at the time of the hypothetical rapture, but is drawn from everyone alive in the last two thousand years. Which cuts down their chances even further.

It's my favorite way of driving a JW or fundamentalist Chirstian crazy: When they start talking about the Rapture, just casually say, "Oh, you're still waiting for it? Sorry, but it's already happened. Looks like you didn't make the cut either."

:p

They do realize it. It's just that most nowadays have a "earthly hope".

There is no guarantee that this is accurate, but I read that the JW's who aren't in the 144,000 get ressurrected on earth, only the earth has been made really nice. The person who wrote what I read wasn't a JW though, and I haven't checked an encyclopaedia or anything.

Yep.

My uncle is an elder in the Jehovah's Winess, so I have to here about this sort of thing every time I see him. According to them the majority of people who live on earth in paradise, being that earth was supposed to be the original paradise(Garden of Eden). Those 144,000 who make it to heaven don't necessarily live in a better paradise than those on earth, but they will be the one's who help govern this new world.

Don't believe a word of it myself, but just thought I'd clarify.

Good. Don't let him convert you.

You are correct--I was a JW for 26 years, and have been in recovery for the last 11. :D That's an accurate understanding of their beliefs, though.

<waves>

Rapture? Hah!

Gimme the Rupture instead. That fateful day when the Xists come to destroy Mankind while all the dues-paying SubGenii and other assorted Yetis ascend in our pleasure saucers to watch the Humans fry. I've sent my thirty bucks to J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, so I know (and more importantly Bob knows) where I stand.

The 144,000 are the ones who get to leave Earth before God unleashes his wrath or something I'm just guessing. Anyway if the Black Death wasn't Armagedon nothing is. It killed about 1/3 of Asia and Europe's population! There would have to be some really bad sh*t to make me think its actually going to happen.

I noticed. And I'm watching them closely.
Sorry, the Pandas shall protect from all harm, I shall not want, I shall not fear :D


The 144,000 are the ones who get to leave Earth before God unleashes his wrath or something I'm just guessing. Anyway if the Black Death wasn't Armagedon nothing is. It killed about 1/3 of Asia and Europe's population! There would have to be some really bad sh*t to make me think its actually going to happen.


We all shall be reborn in an immortal state even the earth. Yes, you hear me, the earth shall be destroyed and it too shall be immortalized and be eternal.

But don't worry we have a while before that happens.

Anyway if the Black Death wasn't Armagedon nothing is. It killed about 1/3 of Asia and Europe's population!

Not wanting to be pedantic, but historians nowadays think it's more in the high 40% range that died, at least in Europe. Pretty devastating indeed, and many thought it was a sign armageddon was coming.

Those last two posts seem to be going very close to 'debating'. You may want to watch out for those scrotum-seeking attack weasels.
And what nationality is that a euphemism for?

<waves>
Yeah--how long have you been in recovery? It's a lot like trying to quit dope at first, I think.

Yeah--how long have you been in recovery? It's a lot like trying to quit dope at first, I think.

Depends on how you define "recovery". I've been completely out of meetings some 3 months now, and out of field service about 8 months longer than that.

Depends on how you define "recovery". I've been completely out of meetings some 3 months now, and out of field service about 8 months longer than that.
Well good luck with it. I've been out for just over 11 years now and I'm glad I'm shed of it.

I love Mormonism... I think it's hillarious. :)
Only a crook could come up with the idea of "only 144000 go" in order to get people trying to be better than everyone else so they can be someone in charge... the whole "top salesman" idea posted earlier is hillarious. Despite the fact everyone knows that pyramid scams are just that... scams... lots of people get into them, hoping they'll be in the top, but never will be, because those ranks were filled long before you ever heard about the whole thing. :P

Well good luck with it. I've been out for just over 11 years now and I'm glad I'm shed of it.

How come you quit, if you don't mind me asking?

I love Mormonism... I think it's hillarious. :)
Only a crook could come up with the idea of "only 144000 go" in order to get people trying to be better than everyone else so they can be someone in charge... the whole "top salesman" idea posted earlier is hillarious. Despite the fact everyone knows that pyramid scams are just that... scams... lots of people get into them, hoping they'll be in the top, but never will be, because those ranks were filled long before you ever heard about the whole thing. :P

It's not about being "top salesman", you know? This thread isn't that long, you ought to read it.

I love Mormonism... I think it's hillarious. :)

Mormons don't believe in 144, 000 only. That is Jehovah's Witnesses

Only a crook could come up with the idea of "only 144000 go" in order to get people trying to be better than everyone else so they can be someone in charge... the whole "top salesman" idea posted earlier is hillarious. Despite the fact everyone knows that pyramid scams are just that... scams... lots of people get into them, hoping they'll be in the top, but never will be, because those ranks were filled long before you ever heard about the whole thing. :P
You think Johovah's Wirnesses are crooks...that is your belief I guess. Not that they aren't weird sometimes.


But I doin't want you to confuse Mormons with Johovah's Witnesses again! Learn your terms before you assume.

I don't like you making fun of my religion! :sniper:

Okay, I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, and I won't claim that my information is completely accurate. If you are willing to correct me, groovy. But my thread(like so many of mine) is for entertainment purposes. So if you make a debate out of it, I'll send scrotum-seeking attack weasels to your house. :p

My understanding is that according to the Jehovah's Witnesses, that only 144,000 people will ascend to Heaven. Their entire faith is based on making sure they're among the 144,000. Yet, there are more than 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses. SO why the hell are they still recruiting?!? If I were a Jehovah's Witness, I wouldn't recruit anybody else. :p

WHich brings me to my next observation: This belief that only 144,000 are going to ascend to Heaven is also very convenient for non-Witnesses. Why? Because if you're not a Jehovah's Witness, the last thing you'd want is to spend eternity in a place with 143,999 Jehovah's Witnesses! :D

I've pondered the question myself, but I always turn back to finding ways to convince the jehovah's to watch violent pornography with me...that's a long story.

How come you quit, if you don't mind me asking?
Well I was raised in it, and when that happens, you tend to see the system as being logical and sticking together, and that's constantly reinforced by the "studying" you do in prepping for meetings, etc. Problem is, if you ever start to doubt, if you ask the dreaded question "what if," the whole thing crumbles. And I asked the question. I started to doubt that the story they were giving me was an accurate one, and then it was all over.

Mormons don't believe in 144, 000 only. That is Jehovah's Witnesses

You think Johovah's Wirnesses are crooks...that is your belief I guess. Not that they aren't weird sometimes.


But I doin't want you to confuse Mormons with Johovah's Witnesses again! Learn your terms before you assume.

I don't like you making fun of my religion! :sniper:

Lighten up, snipy.

I've pondered the question myself, but I always turn back to finding ways to convince the jehovah's to watch violent pornography with me...that's a long story.

Do tell! :D

Well I was raised in it, and when that happens, you tend to see the system as being logical and sticking together, and that's constantly reinforced by the "studying" you do in prepping for meetings, etc. Problem is, if you ever start to doubt, if you ask the dreaded question "what if," the whole thing crumbles. And I asked the question. I started to doubt that the story they were giving me was an accurate one, and then it was all over.

How long did it take you to go from "what if" to "I don't wanna be a part of this bs anymore"?

Okay, I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, and I won't claim that my information is completely accurate. If you are willing to correct me, groovy. But my thread(like so many of mine) is for entertainment purposes. So if you make a debate out of it, I'll send scrotum-seeking attack weasels to your house. :p

My understanding is that according to the Jehovah's Witnesses, that only 144,000 people will ascend to Heaven. Their entire faith is based on making sure they're among the 144,000. Yet, there are more than 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses. SO why the hell are they still recruiting?!? If I were a Jehovah's Witness, I wouldn't recruit anybody else. :p

WHich brings me to my next observation: This belief that only 144,000 are going to ascend to Heaven is also very convenient for non-Witnesses. Why? Because if you're not a Jehovah's Witness, the last thing you'd want is to spend eternity in a place with 143,999 Jehovah's Witnesses! :D


I think somebodies jealous that certain religous types could be considered crazier than he is....

How long did it take you to go from "what if" to "I don't wanna be a part of this bs anymore"?
That's a good question. I was tired of the constant routine before I had doubts, so that no doubt played a part in it, but the killer was when I started college (started late, at 26) and started doubting. By midterms, my marriage and my relationship with my church were both over, so figure 2 months.

That's a good question. I was tired of the constant routine before I had doubts, so that no doubt played a part in it, but the killer was when I started college (started late, at 26) and started doubting. By midterms, my marriage and my relationship with my church were both over, so figure 2 months.

Oh, wow. Fast. I wish I hadn't been in existencial crisis for as long as I did. But then, at least I left a bit younger than you.

Oh, wow. Fast. I wish I hadn't been in existencial crisis for as long as I did. But then, at least I left a bit younger than you.
Well, I'd been slipping for about a year prior to that. Hell, I'd been on a downhill slope from the time I got married (at 20)--before that, I'd been a regular pioneer, gone to pioneer school, done temp work at Bethel. Never made Ministerial Servant, but I was on the fast track for it. Dad was an elder and a pioneer, Mom was a pioneer, so I was deep in there. But I started missing meetings more frequently (once a month or so) about a year before I left. I was just tired. So when the doubt kicked in, I was ready to see it and go.

What's your story? I feel like I'm in therapy or something. :D

J-Dubjas are just like Pyramid Scheme people, the first 144,000 get all the perks and the rest spend their lives knocking on doors, getting abused, loosing their friends & making no money out of it...

But I doin't want you to confuse Mormons with Johovah's Witnesses again! Learn your terms before you assume.

He's got a point. The JWs and Mormons are quite different.

I learned this back in my Catholic days. When Mormons came to the door, and I told them I was Catholic and wasn't interested in converting, they would smile and say, "Have a nice day", and politely leave. When I told Jehovah's Witnesses that I was Catholic, they would tell me I was going to Hell, and run. Fast. Screaming.

So, who would you rather have come knocking on your door? :p

144,000? That's a pretty gross number.

Well, I'd been slipping for about a year prior to that. Hell, I'd been on a downhill slope from the time I got married (at 20)--before that, I'd been a regular pioneer, gone to pioneer school, done temp work at Bethel. Never made Ministerial Servant, but I was on the fast track for it. Dad was an elder and a pioneer, Mom was a pioneer, so I was deep in there. But I started missing meetings more frequently (once a month or so) about a year before I left. I was just tired. So when the doubt kicked in, I was ready to see it and go.

What's your story? I feel like I'm in therapy or something. :D

Well, I was born and raised catholic, but around 9 years old I started questioning that. :p

Went through a couple of denominations before mom started studying with JWs and suggested I started too. I was 13. The JW ladies that intructed me were nice and I couldn't find any flaws in their reasoning or use of scripture, so after a couple of months they had me throwing away gifts I had received from a friend who was in spiritism.

Then I moved with my parents to Canada and drifted away from JWs until I came back to Brazil. Joined a congregation because I didn't know anyone in town, so a cong would be the easiest way (I was 17 at the time). Had a crush on a guy from the congregation, but he insisted that, even though we were making out whenever we were alone together, we couldn't really date because I wasn't baptized, and he was. I started working extra-hard to get baptized, then. This was about the same time as I started going to therapy because of low self-esteem (no, really?? :p ).

By the time I succeeded in getting baptized (19 years old), I already liked someone else and had started questioning my faith. I couldn't be with the JW guy 'cause he wasn't baptized and couldn't be with the new guy because he wasn't JW at all. Cue questioning everything from basic JW rules to the existence of god and jesus and the truth in the bible, everything.

I stopped going on field service, got extremely depressed (even suicidal at one point), quit going to the university, pretty much isolated myself from the entire world until I could get my head sorted out, or at least less messed up. That took a couple of months. I decided to continue going to meetings, but take everything with a grain of salt, and date the guy I actually liked (and got a few visits from the elders because of it).

My so-called friends started distancing themselves from me because I was dating someone "worldly", so I was pretty much alone at the meetings and out of them, so I stopped going.

Holy crap, if I'd known I was gonna tell my whole life, I'd have done it somewhere less public... =/

He's got a point. The JWs and Mormons are quite different.

I learned this back in my Catholic days. When Mormons came to the door, and I told them I was Catholic and wasn't interested in converting, they would smile and say, "Have a nice day", and politely leave. When I told Jehovah's Witnesses that I was Catholic, they would tell me I was going to Hell, and run. Fast. Screaming.

So, who would you rather have come knocking on your door? :p

JWs wouldn't do that! They'd keep bugging you until you accepted a book and a bible study.

I love to compare them to telemarketers! this is how one convo went...

Me-Hi
JW-Im here to tell you about *insert JW stuff here*
Me-Do you like telemarketers?
JW-No, but what does that have to do with-
Me-Well youre like a telemarketer for god. Have a nice day.
*close door*

144,000? That's a pretty gross number.

:D

I think somebodies jealous that certain religous types could be considered crazier than he is....

Oh, please. :rolleyes: I'm a christian physicist. You don't get much crazier than that. :D

He's got a point. The JWs and Mormons are quite different.

I learned this back in my Catholic days. When Mormons came to the door, and I told them I was Catholic and wasn't interested in converting, they would smile and say, "Have a nice day", and politely leave. When I told Jehovah's Witnesses that I was Catholic, they would tell me I was going to Hell, and run. Fast. Screaming.

So, who would you rather have come knocking on your door? :p

I answer the door naked, look crestfallen and say, "You didn't bring the donkey." At that point, faith goes right out the window. :D

Well, I was born and raised catholic, but around 9 years old I started questioning that. :p

Went through a couple of denominations before mom started studying with JWs and suggested I started too. I was 13. The JW ladies that intructed me were nice and I couldn't find any flaws in their reasoning or use of scripture, so after a couple of months they had me throwing away gifts I had received from a friend who was in spiritism.

Then I moved with my parents to Canada and drifted away from JWs until I came back to Brazil. Joined a congregation because I didn't know anyone in town, so a cong would be the easiest way (I was 17 at the time). Had a crush on a guy from the congregation, but he insisted that, even though we were making out whenever we were alone together, we couldn't really date because I wasn't baptized, and he was. I started working extra-hard to get baptized, then. This was about the same time as I started going to therapy because of low self-esteem (no, really?? :p ).

By the time I succeeded in getting baptized (19 years old), I already liked someone else and had started questioning my faith. I couldn't be with the JW guy 'cause he wasn't baptized and couldn't be with the new guy because he wasn't JW at all. Cue questioning everything from basic JW rules to the existence of god and jesus and the truth in the bible, everything.

I stopped going on field service, got extremely depressed (even suicidal at one point), quit going to the university, pretty much isolated myself from the entire world until I could get my head sorted out, or at least less messed up. That took a couple of months. I decided to continue going to meetings, but take everything with a grain of salt, and date the guy I actually liked (and got a few visits from the elders because of it).

My so-called friends started distancing themselves from me because I was dating someone "worldly", so I was pretty much alone at the meetings and out of them, so I stopped going.

Holy crap, if I'd known I was gonna tell my whole life, I'd have done it somewhere less public... =/

DOn't worry. Nobody will laugh at you. Not for such open honesty. There are lessons to be learned in that.

I have a strong faith in God. But in my opinion, nothing good ever came from people worshipping in groups. Especially if led by other people.

Holy crap, if I'd known I was gonna tell my whole life, I'd have done it somewhere less public... =/
My thoughts exactly. Convert to Catholicism, we're the worst Christians and proud of it. Out of all the other Catholics I know, like two believe in God. Plus the perks rock, providng you go to Midnight Mass, Confesssion, Reconciliation and the occasional Mass, you're fine.

Think about it...

Also, remember we are the FIRST christians. We were founded by Peter! How much closer to Jesus can you get?!:confused:

Also, remember we are the FIRST christians. We were founded by Peter! How much closer to Jesus can you get?!:confused:
So true. PLUS we have Jesus's mom on our side. It's like when you have an arguement with a friend, but your friend's mom like you better then her son...

Oh, please. :rolleyes: I'm a christian physicist. You don't get much crazier than that. :D

How about a discordian physicist?

No, wait, christian? Ok, you win.

My understanding is that according to the Jehovah's Witnesses, that only 144,000 people will ascend to Heaven. Their entire faith is based on making sure they're among the 144,000. Yet, there are more than 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses. SO why the hell are they still recruiting?!? If I were a Jehovah's Witness, I wouldn't recruit anybody else. :p


Your understanding is incorrect. The JW faith is not based on making sure they are among the 144,000. Most of them know they are not one of the 144,000 and aren't interested in being one of the 144,000. What they seek is to inherit the restored Earth after God rids it of evil. They do not believe in hell either. They believe you will either be destroyed, you will go to heaven, or you will inherit the restored Earth after it has been rid of evil and live for ever. They want to make sure they are among those who get to live in the restored Earth for ever. The 144,000 are the saints. People like Paul, Luke, Moses, Elijah, etc. Most JW's have no delusions about one day joining their ranks.

DOn't worry. Nobody will laugh at you. Not for such open honesty. There are lessons to be learned in that.

I have a strong faith in God. But in my opinion, nothing good ever came from people worshipping in groups. Especially if led by other people.

I appreciate the "no laughing at me" thing. :p

My thoughts exactly. Convert to Catholicism, we're the worst Christians and proud of it. Out of all the other Catholics I know, like two believe in God. Plus the perks rock, providng you go to Midnight Mass, Confesssion, Reconciliation and the occasional Mass, you're fine.

Think about it...

LMAO! Well, that does sound nice, but I think I'll stay out of organized religion for a spell.

LMAO! Well, that does sound nice, but I think I'll stay out of organized religion for a spell.

Probably a good idea to stay away from Catholicism, then. Few religions are more organized than the Catholic Church. (I know. I grew up in it.)

On the other hand, to paraphrase an old Will Rogers joke: "Are you a member of an organized religion?" "No, I'm a Unitarian." :D

(But even the Unitarians are a bit too organized for me these days...)

Also, remember we are the FIRST christians. We were founded by Peter! How much closer to Jesus can you get?!:confused:
See, the Witnesses would say that they were intellectually descended from the people who stayed faithful when the Catholic Church lost its way, so they're the real first Christians. :)