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They caught the wife of the husband and wife team that al-Qaeda sent to do the bombings in Jordan.

Ten bucks says the Jordanians will torture her to find out what she knows, have her name names, and then they'll hang her in public. They already have her squealing on Jordanian national television.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/13/D8DRMH8O1.html

Iraqi Woman Confesses on Jordan TV
Nov 13 11:23 AM US/Eastern

By SHAFIKA MATTAR
Associated Press Writer

AMMAN, Jordan

An Iraqi woman confessed on state television Sunday to trying to detonate explosives strapped around her waist while she was in one of three Amman hotels bombed by al-Qaida in Iraq.

"My husband wore an (explosives-packed) belt and put one on me. He taught me how to use it," said Sajida Mubarak Atrous al-Rishawi, 35, who appeared on television wearing a white head scarf, black gown and the disabled bomb belt tied around her waist.

Jordanian security forces on Sunday arrested the woman, whose husband is suspected of blowing up the Radisson SAS hotel, after being tipped off by an al-Qaida claim that a husband-and-wife team participated in Wednesday's attacks at three hotels that killed 57 other people.

Looking nervous and wringing her hands, al-Rishawi described the attack on the Radisson. The Grand Hyatt and Days Inn hotels also were bombed.

"My husband detonated (his bomb) and I tried to explode my belt but it wouldn't," she said. "People fled running and I left running with them."

Her husband, Ali Hussein Ali al-Shamari, 35, was identified Sunday as one of three Iraqi men who carried out the bombings.

It's Zarqawi's sister!
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13461879,00.html?f=rss

No, not quite. But her brother was in the leadership circles. Read the article again.

Officials claim Rishawi is the sister of a former senior aide to Abu Musab al Zarqawi - the leader of terror group al Qaeda in Iraq.

I don't think she'll necessarily be executed. She might be more important to be kept alive as a symbol of someone who was on the brink of committing her own death, but instead, due to a fluke of her bomb's malfunction, will live.

It might be an important argument to argue for life instead of death.

Especially since most suicide bombers are already planning to achieve their own deaths.

Consider instead that she might be kept alive to show there is a different choice to make. Even up to the last minute.

When her husband's bomb went off, she ran with the others.

Incredible story. Let's hope that it does not have a cynical ending.

I REALLY hope you aren't defending her! I say, broadcast the hanging all over the world! CNN, BBC, all of them.

I REALLY hope you aren't defending her! I say, broadcast the hanging all over the world! CNN, BBC, all of them.
Seconded.

"My husband wore an (explosives-packed) belt and put one on me. He taught me how to use it," said Sajida Mubarak Atrous al-Rishawi, 35, who appeared on television wearing a white head scarf, black gown and the disabled bomb belt tied around her waist.
A fountain of information that one.

I REALLY hope you aren't defending her! I say, broadcast the hanging all over the world! CNN, BBC, all of them.

The worst punishment you can bestow on someone who is fully prepared and accepting of their own gruesome death is to keep them alive a long, long time.

Not one of them is afraid to die. Public hanging, while the standard Western sensibilities may see it as a deterrent, the terrorists will use as a rallying and recruitment point.

"Look how they torture and publicly hang righteous women! Rally for our sister in Islam! Jihad Jordan! Jihad Israel! Jihad Washington!" Which is met with fervent cries of "Allah Akbar!" from hundreds, if not thousands, of young married Muslim men who watched this woman die and will now take up her cause and a C-4 vest.

Oh yeah ... your idea is great.

No, not quite. But her brother was in the leadership circles. Read the article again.



I don't think she'll necessarily be executed. She might be more important to be kept alive as a symbol of someone who was on the brink of committing her own death, but instead, due to a fluke of her bomb's malfunction, will live.

It might be an important argument to argue for life instead of death.

Especially since most suicide bombers are already planning to achieve their own deaths.

Consider instead that she might be kept alive to show there is a different choice to make. Even up to the last minute.

When her husband's bomb went off, she ran with the others.

Incredible story. Let's hope that it does not have a cynical ending.

I agree. I hpe they don't kill her.

But if they kill her, I hope they beat her to death with a pork shoulder. It would amuse me. :)

The bombing of the Jordanian hotels struck a chord of sentiment against Al Qaeda. Before this, there was great tacit support for them.

Since the new king took office, they have backed away from supporting insurgencies. Now the people are also shocked and outraged by what happened.

If they put her on television, it was probably so that she could tell her story, and how she changed her mind.

That is a powerful message to all jihadis.

I am not defending her actions. I don't think she is defending them either.

Yet if there is any way to stop the violence and counsel others to stop, if her words and appeals can stop even one bomber in Iraq, Israel, Palestine, or Lebanon, than her continued life can serve some meaning greater than her singular death.

If this is a war of hearts and minds, then here is a heart that changed.

I am not saying that she cannot be tried and convicted for her failed attempt.

Yet I feel her life could serve a far greater purpose than her death by hanging.

Jordan wants to stop the violence in the Middle East. It is currently seen as a safe zone, an oasis in the desert of all the violence around it.

The hotel bombings dragged the Kingdom into the violence. It is obviously in the state's best interest to appeal to the nation to maintain order. To not fuel the inclinations towards jihad, and to let this woman's own words be a powerful argument against committing suicide and murder of people.

Let's see what more she says. And how Jordan reacts to it.

But if they kill her, I hope they beat her to death with a pork shoulder. It would amuse me. :)

Lol ... well ... yeah ... if they're gonna kill her, may as well be creative about it. :D

Yet if there is any way to stop the violence and counsel others to stop, if her words and appeals can stop even one bomber in Iraq, Israel, Palestine, or Lebanon, than her continued life can serve some meaning greater than her singular death.

If this is a war of hearts and minds, then here is a heart that changed.


HOORAY! Someone with sense!!

But if they kill her, I hope they beat her to death with a pork shoulder. It would amuse me. :)
I wonder if anyone has ever been beaten to death with a food item before. I'm sure that it is possible, but I don't know how likely the killer is to actually carry through with it. I know I'd never be able to carry through with it, I'd feel to guilty about it. There are a number of things that I will do and have done. but ruining pork is just one of those lines that one does not cross.

I say, broadcast the hanging all over the world! CNN, BBC, all of them.
That's quite a disturbing comment. Rather the same attitude towards killing as the terrorists themselves.

I wonder if anyone has ever been beaten to death with a food item before. I'm sure that it is possible, but I don't know how likely the killer is to actually carry through with it.

I'm not too sure I could do it with a straight face.

Death is so last century. Lock her in a small, pitch black cell with only her imagination as company.

The worst punishment you can bestow on someone who is fully prepared and accepting of their own gruesome death is to keep them alive a long, long time.

Not one of them is afraid to die. Public hanging, while the standard Western sensibilities may see it as a deterrent, the terrorists will use as a rallying and recruitment point.

"Look how they torture and publicly hang righteous women! Rally for our sister in Islam! Jihad Jordan! Jihad Israel! Jihad Washington!" Which is met with fervent cries of "Allah Akbar!" from hundreds, if not thousands, of young married Muslim men who watched this woman die and will now take up her cause and a C-4 vest.

Oh yeah ... your idea is great.

Public Execution never worked as a real deterrant in the west.
Though I do like the idea.

I do agree with Keruvalia here, keep them a live, a long time.
Drag them out and prop them up as living failures of the movement.
Name their family members and where they live, as being the family of failures, name as failures who CHOSE not to detonate the bomb--cowards.
Keep them alive and claim they plead for mercy--this is punishment.

I don't know how people can get all angry at her - I mean, she's blatantly just a completely uneducated ignorant woman who doesn't know shit about the supposed enemy she's being told she has to fight against, and is just doing what her husband told her to.

Assuming that she is guilty, they should just throw her in jail for the rest of her life. Don't make a martyr of her.

I wonder if anyone has ever been beaten to death with a food item before. I'm sure that it is possible, but I don't know how likely the killer is to actually carry through with it. I know I'd never be able to carry through with it, I'd feel to guilty about it. There are a number of things that I will do and have done. but ruining pork is just one of those lines that one does not cross.

Oh, I'm sure it's happened. Maybe with a salami. I bet some old italian guy, in a fit of rage, brained some other old italian guy with a salami.

But I'm willing to admit that it must be one of the rarest and most interesting ways to die. In fact, I'm kind of surprised that more people don't talk about it.

Perhaps, like you, they can't justify the wasting of a good cut of meat.

I REALLY hope you aren't defending her! I say, broadcast the hanging all over the world! CNN, BBC, all of them.

What sort of sick piece of crap are you?

What sort of sick piece of crap are you?
The sort who wants to see public broadcasting's of hangings?

I don't know how people can get all angry at her - I mean, she's blatantly just a completely uneducated ignorant woman who doesn't know shit

Remember that we live in a place and time where if a person pokes a dog with a stick and throws rocks at it, the dog gets put to sleep when it bites.

The sort who wants to see public broadcasting's of hangings?

And that's just the wrong sort of person!

This really reminds me of those two North Korean terrorists, can't seem to remember their names though, who blew up a South Korean airliner in the 80s' killing over a hundred people; An older guy who committed suicide before being captured, and a young girl arrested by the South Koreans, sentenced to death but pardoned before the execution.

This really reminds me of those two North Korean terrorists, can't seem to remember their names though, who blew up a South Korean airliner in the 80s' killing over a hundred people; An older guy who committed suicide before being captured, and a young girl arrested by the South Koreans, sentenced to death but pardoned before the execution.

what a... fascinating... thing

what a... fascinating... thing

Well I think the similarities are interesting, not to mention that it might be bit early to send the Iraqi woman to the gallows; It wasn't the end of the rope for the Korean, even though there wasn't a trace of doubt about her guilt.

Oh yeah ... your idea is great.
Yeah, your right. Lets be nice to the terrorists so they don't blow us up. It's worked great for SO MANY other nations! :rolleyes:

The sort who wants to see public broadcasting's of hangings?
I thought that was obvious. :rolleyes:

I thought that was obvious. :rolleyes:
Wasn't it?

Confucious says: Ask stupid question, get stupid answer.
Your lucky numbers for today are: 666

This woman deserves death.

Its counter productive to hang her in public. Quietly arrange for a non -public trial and sentencing . Life in jail for someone who had aimed for suicide seems a more fitting punishment to suit the crime . Let her rot while she contemplates what she did and what she failed to do . No sense making a matyr out of her .

Actually, they stone women to death for less in the middle east. What's one more?

Noshiticus 3:16 Let he who is without suicidal/homicidal tendencies cast the first stone!

No, not quite. But her brother was in the leadership circles. Read the article again.



I don't think she'll necessarily be executed. She might be more important to be kept alive as a symbol of someone who was on the brink of committing her own death, but instead, due to a fluke of her bomb's malfunction, will live.

It might be an important argument to argue for life instead of death.

Especially since most suicide bombers are already planning to achieve their own deaths.

Consider instead that she might be kept alive to show there is a different choice to make. Even up to the last minute.

When her husband's bomb went off, she ran with the others.

Incredible story. Let's hope that it does not have a cynical ending.

You might have something there. Suicide bombers want martyrdom. If she is given the death penalty, she will achieve martyrdom. However, if she is locked in a cell with a pig for the rest of her life then buried with the pig when she dies, she will not achieve martyrdom.

I think it's kinda funny. She's actually stupid enough to plan a suicide bombing with her husband, and her reward is her husband dies and she's left alive and alone to really suffer. I like it when stupid people like her suffer because that's what they deserve. Hopefully they'll torture her impressively.

You might have something there. Suicide bombers want martyrdom. If she is given the death penalty, she will achieve martyrdom. However, if she is locked in a cell with a pig for the rest of her life then buried with the pig when she dies, she will not achieve martyrdom.
Actually, putting her with a pig will make her a martyr. Locking her up won't, but fucking with her religion in such a sick way will turn anyone with any sense of decency against you.

I'm against hanging her. But I'm against the Death Penalty in any case.

Actually, putting her with a pig will make her a martyr. Locking her up won't, but fucking with her religion in such a sick way will turn anyone with any sense of decency against you.

Which is worse, killing innocent people in the name of religion, or using a person's religion to screw with their brains after they have committed an atrocious crime?

Which is worse, killing innocent people in the name of religion, or using a person's religion to screw with their brains after they have committed an atrocious crime?
Yeah, because not killing people is such an atrocious crime...

Plus, what you propose will result in the deaths of countless innocents.

This woman deserves death.
Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.

She should hang. In public. In front of an angry mob.
After they pump her for information.

Meanwhile, how long until the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan sends troops into Iraq?

How is it that so few people understand the futility of executing an attempted suicide bomber?

I, personally, would pay fifty bucks to see her shot, beheaded, or some other interesting death in pay-per-view. But, then again, I would give a year's salary to be the guy who gets to kick the log out from under Saddam's feet.

However, such actions would be counterproductive in fighting enemies who are brainwashed to believe they will get eternal rewards for killing themselves or dying fighting.

So, the most useful option would be to put her in a white padded room, and have tours where people can see the little wannabe terrorist, much like a zoo. Have everyone treat her like a little simpleton child who makes Forrest Gump look like a Rhodes scholar for the rest of her life.

"No, you can't feed the little terrorist. See, her mind is so simple... she might try to eat your finger. She just doesn't know any better. No, we can't let her have a plastic fork. She might inadvertantly swallow it, and here, we care for people, no matter how stupid God made them..."

Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.

I think that someone is channeling Gandalf.

-snip-
You, sir, are primitive. :rolleyes:

I, personally, would pay fifty bucks to see her shot, beheaded, or some other interesting death in pay-per-view. But, then again, I would give a year's salary to be the guy who gets to kick the log out from under Saddam's feet.

However, such actions would be counterproductive in fighting enemies who are brainwashed to believe they will get eternal rewards for killing themselves or dying fighting.

So, the most useful option would be to put her in a white padded room, and have tours where people can see the little wannabe terrorist, much like a zoo. Have everyone treat her like a little simpleton child who makes Forrest Gump look like a Rhodes scholar for the rest of her life.

"No, you can't feed the little terrorist. See, her mind is so simple... she might try to eat your finger. She just doesn't know any better. No, we can't let her have a plastic fork. She might inadvertantly swallow it, and here, we care for people, no matter how stupid God made them..."

At least you understand the pointlessness of executing her.

I think that someone is channeling Gandalf.
And Gandalf/Tolkien is right. Revenge fantasies were left behind the civilised world some time ago.

And Gandalf/Tolkien is right. Revenge fantasies were left behind the civilised world some time ago.

Yes, but even the protagonist Frodo wanted to kill Gollum at first.

And revenge isn't my goal. It's natural selection. I'm a Darwinist. People that want to commit evil in the name of religion need to be cut from the herd, for the betterment of the species.

As for my being primative, I guess it is a side effect of being an american. After all Rome was supposedly a great civilization, and they got the Coliseum.

I'm a Darwinist. People that want to commit evil in the name of religion need to be cut from the herd, for the betterment of the species.
Well, we know where that led us last time we tried.

As for my being primative, I guess it is a side effect of being an american. After all Rome was supposedly a great civilization, and they got the Coliseum.
As a disclaimer, note that I never linked your statement to your nationality...you did it.

Sure killing her sounds like a good eye for an eye solution, but she was already willing to kill herself anyway. Kinda makes putting her to death redundant. Besides, execute her and you make a martyr of her, which is the last thing anyone wants to do in this situation.

Carrying out a punishment that makes fun of her religion or parading her around is another way to make a martyr of her..."look how the infidel disgraces the servants of Allah!"

Just put her in prison somewhere with all the other "normal" criminals for life where she will become just another nameless convict and everyone will forget all about her. That is how you can avoid making her a martyr.

I don't know how people can get all angry at her - I mean, she's blatantly just a completely uneducated ignorant woman who doesn't know shit about the supposed enemy she's being told she has to fight against, and is just doing what her husband told her to.

Assuming that she is guilty...This is still part of the "War-on-terror"...

The Jordan Dictatorship has gotten themselves "a terrorist" confessing on cameras...after being "persuaded" to confess by the Jordanian interrogation doctors.

reminds me of some US pilot (POW) making a statement on Saddam's controled TV.

maybe She is a "Terrorist"and had a part on the bombimgs...or maybe not...maybe she is just the Wife or sister of a "terrorist"...no matter...the dictatorship of Jordan needs someone to hang...ASAP

Iraqi woman confesses on Jordan TV (http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/13153036.htm)

While I have no proof, I do not think she was tortured to confess. The TV interview happened rather swiftly, within hours of her capture.

She might be already condemned to die by her former cohorts in al Qaeda. Killed for confessing on television.

Let's see where the news leads in coming days.

I REALLY hope you aren't defending her! I say, broadcast the hanging all over the world! CNN, BBC, all of them.

The BBC is too civilised for that. We'll leave such sick nonsense to any backward primitives you may advocate.


If they put her on television, it was probably so that she could tell her story, and how she changed her mind.

That is a powerful message to all jihadis.

I am not defending her actions. I don't think she is defending them either.

Yet if there is any way to stop the violence and counsel others to stop, if her words and appeals can stop even one bomber in Iraq, Israel, Palestine, or Lebanon, than her continued life can serve some meaning greater than her singular death.

If this is a war of hearts and minds, then here is a heart that changed.

I am not saying that she cannot be tried and convicted for her failed attempt.

Yet I feel her life could serve a far greater purpose than her death by hanging.


*applauds*

You don't know what a relief it is to read something intelligent, rational and well thought-out for once in these fora... I agree with you completely.

the dictatorship of Jordan needs someone to hang...ASAP

Jordan is increasingly democratic. With a constitutional monarchy, and a Parliament elected by the people, including seats reserved for women MPs.

Iraqi woman confesses on Jordan TV (http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/13153036.htm)

While I have no proof, I do not think she was tortured to confess. The TV interview happened rather swiftly, within hours of her capture.

She might be already condemned to die by her former cohorts in al Qaeda. Killed for confessing on television.

Let's see where the news leads in coming days.

Call me a sentimentalist, but I have the impression her deceased husband deliberately miswired her bomb, and directed her to the opposite side of the area so that she would live while he would carry out the mission.

She also doesn't appear to be too bright (maybe the fault of translation).

At the very least, she'll probably spend the rest of her life in prison.

I, personally, would pay fifty bucks to see her shot, beheaded, or some other interesting death in pay-per-view. But, then again, I would give a year's salary to be the guy who gets to kick the log out from under Saddam's feet.

Who says he will be executed?

The BBC is too civilised for that. We'll leave such sick nonsense to any backward primitives you may advocate.

Almost exactly what I was going to say! We don't pay our licence fee to see public executions!

Almost exactly what I was going to say! We don't pay our licence fee to see public executions!

I thought you paid a license fee so you could have multiple channels - so switch to a cricket match while her hanging is played on another channel.

Jordan is increasingly democratic.Its either a Dictatorship..or is it not...

you can take Jordan ...dress it up with suave colors...and decorate with nice pastel colors...nicely put in inside a "almost a democracy" envole...

But its still a dictatorship.

Its either a Dictatorship..or is it not...

you can take Jordan ...dress it up with suave colors...and decorate with nice pastel colors...nicely put in inside a "almost a democracy" envole...

But its still a dictatorship.

I know you're still holding out the theory that this wasn't a suicide bombing, but merely an incredibly unlikely situation where multiple people experienced spontaneous human combustion.

I thought you paid a license fee so you could have multiple channels - so switch to a cricket match while her hanging is played on another channel.

if you put it on all the channels then no, we can't. Even if you only make each company put it on one of their channels we're stuck with buying Sky, a digital box or watching BBC2.

None of which are massively appealing (OK BBC2 is pretty good but the real stuff is on 1 most of the time).

I thought you paid a license fee so you could have multiple channels - so switch to a cricket match while her hanging is played on another channel.

The channels with cricket are not funded by the licence fee

I wonder if anyone has ever been beaten to death with a food item before. I'm sure that it is possible, but I don't know how likely the killer is to actually carry through with it. I know I'd never be able to carry through with it, I'd feel to guilty about it. There are a number of things that I will do and have done. but ruining pork is just one of those lines that one does not cross.

Aside from an Alfred Hicthcock movie where a woman killed her husband (?) with a frozen leg of lamb and then fed that evidence to the invesigators, deep in the recesses of my mind, I want to say I remember a story of and American gangster beating someone to death with a fish. I want to say it was a dry cleaner that pressed lapels on a suit flat.

I always ask for my lapels to be rolled as well, but I dont have ready access to a fish large enough to punish the guy that didnt obey. I'd have to leave and come back and by then I woouldnt be mad anymore.

They caught the wife of the husband and wife team that al-Qaeda sent to do the bombings in Jordan.

Ten bucks says the Jordanians will torture her to find out what she knows, have her name names, and then they'll hang her in public. They already have her squealing on Jordanian national television.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/13/D8DRMH8O1.html

Iraqi Woman Confesses on Jordan TV
Nov 13 11:23 AM US/Eastern

By SHAFIKA MATTAR
Associated Press Writer

AMMAN, Jordan

An Iraqi woman confessed on state television Sunday to trying to detonate explosives strapped around her waist while she was in one of three Amman hotels bombed by al-Qaida in Iraq.

"My husband wore an (explosives-packed) belt and put one on me. He taught me how to use it," said Sajida Mubarak Atrous al-Rishawi, 35, who appeared on television wearing a white head scarf, black gown and the disabled bomb belt tied around her waist.

Jordanian security forces on Sunday arrested the woman, whose husband is suspected of blowing up the Radisson SAS hotel, after being tipped off by an al-Qaida claim that a husband-and-wife team participated in Wednesday's attacks at three hotels that killed 57 other people.

Looking nervous and wringing her hands, al-Rishawi described the attack on the Radisson. The Grand Hyatt and Days Inn hotels also were bombed.

"My husband detonated (his bomb) and I tried to explode my belt but it wouldn't," she said. "People fled running and I left running with them."

Her husband, Ali Hussein Ali al-Shamari, 35, was identified Sunday as one of three Iraqi men who carried out the bombings.


I dont know if someone has said this yet, but doesnt the failure of her belt to explode fall into the "wardrobe malfunction" category?

The channels with cricket are not funded by the licence fee

Not anymore anyway...

But if you're going to how it, it should be on 5, it's the 'Sun' of UK TV already...

I dont know if someone has said this yet, but doesnt the failure of her belt to explode fall into the "wardrobe malfunction" category?

I say hand her over to the FCC then.

I say hand her over to the FCC then.
Nah, it wasn't offending, unless being extremely ugly is an offense.

I say hand her over to the FCC then.

She'll beg to be hanged or stoned then.