NationStates Jolt Archive


Why I may be the most radical person here

Lotus Puppy
13-11-2005, 04:50
I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-free trade

-the abolition of all welfare

-privatizing education

-centralization eventually leading to world government

-pro life

-pro urban planning

-pro defense spending

-patriotic

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

-advanced infrastructure with government funding

A lot of these may seem contradictary, though they sit fine in my mind. In any case, I don't fit neatly into any particular ideaology, and am both excited and nervous by it at the same time. So, what am I?
Fass
13-11-2005, 04:53
So, what am I?

You're attention-whoring.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
13-11-2005, 04:53
~snip~


I would call you a Thatcherite.
Jello Biafra
13-11-2005, 04:54
"Radical" is defined as a far left-wing ideology. You may, however, be the most reactionary person here.
Vetalia
13-11-2005, 04:55
I don't know, but I do like quite a few of your ideas.
Nosas
13-11-2005, 04:59
-pro life

You sound Libertarian except here.
Why do you let Govt butt in here?

What is your exact stance? Rape/Incest pregancy? Abortion okay?
Before child viable: just embryo?

You don't use the Filithy Whore(tm) argument, please, say you don't!


-patriotic

Aren't we all? But are you sure you are not nationalist instead of patriotic?

People confuse the terms all the time so just wanted to know.
Lotus Puppy
13-11-2005, 05:10
You sound Libertarian except here.
Why do you let Govt butt in here?

What is your exact stance? Rape/Incest pregancy? Abortion okay?
Before child viable: just embryo?

You don't use the Filithy Whore(tm) argument, please, say you don't!

I do not believe it is a government issue. In my mind, abortion past gastrulization is the equivilant of shooting a person.
Lotus Puppy
13-11-2005, 05:12
You're attention-whoring.
(dresses up in cheap fur coat with tons of jewerly and too much perfume)
Better?
NERVUN
13-11-2005, 05:14
Puppy, you poor, poor, fool...

I'm just imaging what LG and the rest of the not-all-there crowd are going to do to this thread when they discover it. It should be highly amusing.
Poopoosdf
13-11-2005, 05:14
You're pretty much libertarian, except for a few points.

libs are generally against a world government, instead favoring sovereignty.

libs are also keen to keeping government expenditures to a minimum, so as long as taxes aren't raised and as long as the budget is kept positive, you could spend as much as you like on the military. Keep in mind, libs favor isolationism from world affairs, so all that money would be for defense; no world police.

libs generally believe the government shouldn't interfere in a person's life. abortion is a tricky issue because you must balance the choice of the mother to abort, but also whether or not the baby is "alive"; I generally consider the time when the baby starts registering brain-waves to be alive, and at that point no abortion should be allowed.

i'm not sure what you mean by pro urban planning...

You seem pretty libertarian to me.
Fass
13-11-2005, 05:16
(dresses up in cheap fur coat with tons of jewerly and too much perfume)
Better?

Much, but that better be faux-fur!
The Chinese Republics
13-11-2005, 05:17
snipmore like a neo-con
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
13-11-2005, 05:19
more like a neo-con
But a Neo-Con can't be in favour of a one-world government! Who would we invade? Without dirty foriegners, who will we keep out of the borders? Without other countries, who can we make people fear?
The Chinese Republics
13-11-2005, 05:25
But a Neo-Con can't be in favour of a one-world government! Who would we invade? Without dirty foriegners, who will we keep out of the borders? Without other countries, who can we make people fear?Oh yeah, that's right, they hate the UN.
Gymoor II The Return
13-11-2005, 05:54
You may be the most radical, but I'm the most tubular (or is that gnarly?)
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
13-11-2005, 05:55
You may be the most radical, but I'm the most tubular (or is that gnarly?)

That post was, like, totally stoked, man.
Gymoor II The Return
13-11-2005, 05:59
That post was, like, totally stoked, man.

You know it, braw!
Eichen
13-11-2005, 06:03
-pro life

-pro urban planning
Besides these, you sound just like me. And I'm definitely a Libertairan.

In fact, a card-carrying one.
(And I'm only neutral, at best, on the abortion issue).

EDIT: My drinking caused me to think we had more in common upon rereading. Scratch the above.
Neu Leonstein
13-11-2005, 06:03
Oh yeah, that's right, they hate the UN.
A world government could also simply be the American one forcing the rest of the world in line....
Eridanus
13-11-2005, 06:04
I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-free trade

-the abolition of all welfare

-privatizing education

-centralization eventually leading to world government

-pro life

-pro urban planning

-pro defense spending

-patriotic

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

-advanced infrastructure with government funding

A lot of these may seem contradictary, though they sit fine in my mind. In any case, I don't fit neatly into any particular ideaology, and am both excited and nervous by it at the same time. So, what am I?

You believe in expanding the governments power, while stripping away human rights, and our ability to feed ourselves when we're old. You stand for asshole-ism, not to be confused with conservatism.
Keruvalia
13-11-2005, 06:05
So, what am I?

Misguided.
Neu Leonstein
13-11-2005, 06:06
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_in_the_United_States

Yep, I think we have a winner.
Eichen
13-11-2005, 06:07
Misguided.
:p You're such an asshole. :D
Kreitzmoorland
13-11-2005, 06:13
I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-pro urban planning


-advanced infrastructure with government funding

<snip>I don't know what you are, but I really enjoyed your thread about public transportation a while back. I get excited about urban planning too.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
13-11-2005, 06:17
I don't know what you are, but I really enjoyed your thread about public transportation a while back. I get excited about urban planning too.

Um...to each his own I guess. Would you like us to leave you two alone? :p
Khodros
13-11-2005, 07:02
I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-free trade

-the abolition of all welfare

-privatizing education

-centralization eventually leading to world government

-pro life

-pro urban planning

-pro defense spending

-patriotic

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

-advanced infrastructure with government funding

A lot of these may seem contradictary, though they sit fine in my mind. In any case, I don't fit neatly into any particular ideaology, and am both excited and nervous by it at the same time. So, what am I?

As long as Eutrusca and AutoMagFreak roam the NS forums, you'll never be the most radical person here. Anyways those all seem to be consistent stances.
Esotericain
13-11-2005, 08:14
Why do people fail to ask themselves if they'd like to actually live in their own ideal world? They tend to view themselves as the ones in power, instead of simply citizens suffering under an irrational and idiotic system.
The Chinese Republics
13-11-2005, 08:54
Misguided.burn
New Granada
13-11-2005, 08:57
I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-free trade

-the abolition of all welfare

-privatizing education

-centralization eventually leading to world government

-pro life

-pro urban planning

-pro defense spending

-patriotic

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

-advanced infrastructure with government funding

A lot of these may seem contradictary, though they sit fine in my mind. In any case, I don't fit neatly into any particular ideaology, and am both excited and nervous by it at the same time. So, what am I?


Ridiculous more than radical, and there are far more ridiculous clowns on here, at that.
The Chinese Republics
13-11-2005, 09:08
Like Serapindal?

*Waiting for Serapindal to smack me across the face....:D *
The Similized world
13-11-2005, 09:31
So, what am I?
Well you're not radical. Reactionary maybe, but perhaps that label is too progressive to fit you.

So.. I'll stick to calling you a fascist. It's not 100% on, but close enough for comfort.
Luckie Ones
13-11-2005, 09:50
-centralization eventually leading to world government

-pro life

-pro urban planning

-pro defense spending

-advanced infrastructure with government funding


Those things right there go against the minimization of state/maximaztion of individuals generalization of Libertarianism

I'd say DEFINITLY NEO-CON...just look at the current bush administration, look at those who are considered the most conservative within the republician party (those who 90% of americans would not vote for presidency because of such reactionism) follow a lot of what you'd say, if not all from what I can see.

But a Neo-Con can't be in favour of a one-world government! Who would we invade? Without dirty foriegners, who will we keep out of the borders? Without other countries, who can we make people fear?

Uhh you invade everyone so your "freedoms" "rights" aren't threatened, and you elimanate all those that are "unable" to fit your Ideal but impossible utopia, kinda like most fanatical governments or religions do, but as to who to fear...you can find something
The Cat-Tribe
13-11-2005, 10:09
You're attention-whoring.

and confused.
Sdaeriji
13-11-2005, 10:47
Well you're not radical. Reactionary maybe, but perhaps that label is too progressive to fit you.

So.. I'll stick to calling you a fascist. It's not 100% on, but close enough for comfort.

Seconded.
Dobbsworld
13-11-2005, 10:53
Seconded.
And confused. I mean, uhh...

...no really, you're not a radical, LP. Not by even the broadest definition of the word.

From what I read of your thoughts, you're just more of the same-old same-old.

Feh.
Carops
13-11-2005, 10:55
You're a toughy. You don't really prescribe to any pool of thought, because you borrow from all of them. That makes you a radical centrist in some ways, so therefore you're not radical at all really...
Barvinia
13-11-2005, 10:59
Why I may be the most radical person here

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I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-free trade

NO! I'm for fair trade not free trade.

-the abolition of all welfare

NO! Welfare, Social Security, Disabilaty and Unemployment are necesary. Pensions and Stock Portfolios should be banned however.

-privatizing education

Maybe? That depends if all citizens of said nation can afford it. Could people working full time at minimum wage jobs afford it? If not, then of course, I'd oppose it.

-centralization eventually leading to world government

NO! I believe in Isolationism, Protectionism and Domestic policies that enhance prosperity.

-pro life

YES! With the exeption of rape, incest and the mother's health being at risk. I also oppose Euthanesia.

-pro urban planning

Yes! Everything in a nation should be planned and micromanaged to perfection.

-pro defense spending

Yes! Protecting one's nation is an utmost priority.

-patriotic

Depends on what said nation stands for. I don't follow my governments policies blindly.

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

NO! Fiscal Socialism in it's true form is the best type of government, along with Social Conservatism.

-advanced infrastructure with government funding

YES! It is the governments duty to supply it's nation with the infrastructure, along with free healthcare and education for all. Unless, all citizens can afford them.

Also, I oppose homosexual marriage. Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman (in their original forms).

A lot of these may seem contradictary, though they sit fine in my mind. In any case, I don't fit neatly into any particular ideaology, and am both excited and nervous by it at the same time. So, what am I?


Looks like we agreed only on 4 out of your 10. Almost half! Not bad, considering Libertarians are my pole opposites, me being an Authoritarian Democracy! :eek:
Pantycellen
13-11-2005, 11:16
your not radical

trust me on this
Terrorist Cakes
13-11-2005, 11:32
I'm completely more radical than you. I want to abolish prisons and the military, and lower the voting age to 16.
Gymoor II The Return
13-11-2005, 11:51
snip
-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

NO! Fiscal Socialism in it's true form is the best type of government, along with Social Conservatism.

snip

Well, at least you admit that Social Conservatism is a threat to freedom. Too bad you still support it.
The Similized world
13-11-2005, 11:57
Well, at least you admit that Social Conservatism is a threat to freedom. Too bad you still support it.
Well the guy is schizophrenic, so you can't expect him to to believe that everything he says is a bad idea, is a bad idea ;)
Jeruselem
13-11-2005, 14:17
I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-free trade

-the abolition of all welfare

-privatizing education

-centralization eventually leading to world government

-pro life

-pro urban planning

-pro defense spending

-patriotic

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

-advanced infrastructure with government funding

A lot of these may seem contradictary, though they sit fine in my mind. In any case, I don't fit neatly into any particular ideaology, and am both excited and nervous by it at the same time. So, what am I?

You sound like the Australian Prime Minister except for
advanced infrastructure with government funding
Defiantland
13-11-2005, 15:11
You're attention-whoring.

Actually you're attention whoring. The thread starter makes a valid question. However, you decide to veer off and put him down for no reason. You're trying to get attention that you're accusing him of attention whoring where he is doing no such thing, though I presume it's the bad kind of attention.
CthulhuFhtagn
13-11-2005, 15:58
I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-free trade

-the abolition of all welfare

-privatizing education

-centralization eventually leading to world government

-pro life

-pro urban planning

-pro defense spending

-patriotic

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

-advanced infrastructure with government funding

A lot of these may seem contradictary, though they sit fine in my mind. In any case, I don't fit neatly into any particular ideaology, and am both excited and nervous by it at the same time. So, what am I?
I notice you "neglected" to mention your "sex is evil" beliefs.
Keruvalia
13-11-2005, 16:01
:p You're such an asshole. :D

It comes so naturally. ;)
Swimmingpool
13-11-2005, 17:11
I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-free trade

-the abolition of all welfare

-privatizing education

-centralization eventually leading to world government

-pro life

-pro urban planning

-pro defense spending

-patriotic

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

-advanced infrastructure with government funding

A lot of these may seem contradictary, though they sit fine in my mind. In any case, I don't fit neatly into any particular ideaology, and am both excited and nervous by it at the same time. So, what am I?
You're some form of neocon (exemplified by the defense spending and world government.)
Sdaeriji
13-11-2005, 17:50
Actually you're attention whoring. The thread starter makes a valid question. However, you decide to veer off and put him down for no reason. You're trying to get attention that you're accusing him of attention whoring where he is doing no such thing, though I presume it's the bad kind of attention.

No, the original poster is most certainly attention whoring. This thread was created so he could show off his political beliefs to anyone willing to read them, in little more than "Hey, look at me and how weird my beliefs are. I'm so different! Yay!"
Fass
13-11-2005, 17:56
Actually you're attention whoring. The thread starter makes a valid question. However, you decide to veer off and put him down for no reason. You're trying to get attention that you're accusing him of attention whoring where he is doing no such thing, though I presume it's the bad kind of attention.

Wow, you truly don't know what attention-whoring is if you think "Look at me and my whacky opinions - tell me what you think of them! Aren't I special?" isn't.
Liskeinland
13-11-2005, 18:13
I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-free trade

-the abolition of all welfare

-privatizing education

-centralization eventually leading to world government

-pro life

-pro urban planning

-pro defense spending

-patriotic

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

-advanced infrastructure with government funding

A lot of these may seem contradictary, though they sit fine in my mind. In any case, I don't fit neatly into any particular ideaology, and am both excited and nervous by it at the same time. So, what am I? You know, in the country I live in, people are still debating whether you're really a woman.
Barvinia
13-11-2005, 21:06
Well, at least you admit that Social Conservatism is a threat to freedom. Too bad you still support it.


You obviously are having trouble with English! :headbang:
Dobbsworld
13-11-2005, 22:10
You're attention-whoring.

Actually you're attention whoring. The thread starter makes a valid question. However, you decide to veer off and put him down for no reason. You're trying to get attention that you're accusing him of attention whoring where he is doing no such thing, though I presume it's the bad kind of attention.
Survey Sez: *DING*

You're wrong...

He's attention-whoring.
Gymoor II The Return
13-11-2005, 23:47
You obviously are having trouble with English! :headbang:

]

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

NO! Fiscal Socialism in it's true form is the best type of government, along with Social Conservatism.

Oh, then Social Conservatism is socialism or Islamofascism?

I don't think I'm the one having difficulty with English.
The Similized world
14-11-2005, 00:08
You obviously are having trouble with English! :headbang:
me being an Authoritarian Democracy!
Gymoor is obviously the one having trouble with english...
Dobbsworld
14-11-2005, 00:11
Gymoor is obviously the one having trouble with english...
Oh that made me laugh really hard, Sim. Ribs-hurtin'-hard kinda laughter. Good one.
DHomme
14-11-2005, 00:17
I think you are a thatcherite. Its a good label for you.

Oh, and don't try and claim to be more radical than me
Gymoor II The Return
14-11-2005, 00:23
Gymoor is obviously the one having trouble with english...

There is no better compliment than being referenced in a sarcastic comment directed at someone else.
Neo Kervoskia
14-11-2005, 00:24
I think you are a thatcherite. Its a good label for you.

Oh, and don't try and claim to be more radical than me
DHomme is one of the most radical, along with Lewy Rocky, and Kanabia. However, I'd give you all a run for your money if I were still a -8,-10.
The Similized world
14-11-2005, 00:26
There is no better compliment than being referenced in a sarcastic comment directed at someone else.
Hehe, you're welcome. I almost feel bad about making that post though. English isn't exactly my strong side.. But that was one of the better fuck-ups I've read this month. I can't believe noone else picked up on it :p
DHomme
14-11-2005, 00:51
DHomme is one of the most radical, along with Lewy Rocky, and Kanabia. However, I'd give you all a run for your money if I were still a -8,-10.

Actually I think lewrockwellia may be the most radical. Damn that guys soooooo right-wing
Neo Kervoskia
14-11-2005, 00:55
Actually I think lewrockwellia may be the most radical. Damn that guys soooooo right-wing
I have yet to meet his equal. I'm only +10, -6.
Pantycellen
20-11-2005, 20:58
thatcherite your not

they are generally non suicidal (if all welfare was abolished and abortions made ilegal where I live you'd have revolution within a year at most (probably 2-6 months))
Secluded Trepidation
20-11-2005, 21:23
Radical people are a threat to society! They must all be murdered!
:mp5:
:gundge:
:sniper:
:mp5:
:gundge:
:sniper:


...Or something like that.
Neo Kervoskia
20-11-2005, 21:25
Radical people are a threat to society! They must all be murdered!
:mp5:
:gundge:
:sniper:
:mp5:
:gundge:
:sniper:


...Or something like that.
Aw, how cute.
Secluded Trepidation
20-11-2005, 21:39
Aw, how cute.


You know it. Tons of smileys holding machine guns are definiely hot.
The Atlantian islands
21-11-2005, 01:36
I was just thinking that today. I mean, I stand for something virtually no one advocates nor condones. It's easy to label me as a liberatarian, but most liberatarians do not accept me. So what am I? I am for:

-free trade

-the abolition of all welfare

-privatizing education

-centralization eventually leading to world government

-pro life

-pro urban planning

-pro defense spending

-patriotic

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom

-advanced infrastructure with government funding

A lot of these may seem contradictary, though they sit fine in my mind. In any case, I don't fit neatly into any particular ideaology, and am both excited and nervous by it at the same time. So, what am I?

Lets see where we overlap, as I am a open uber-conservative.

-free trade/YES

-the abolition of all welfare/YES

-privatizing education/YES

-centralization eventually leading to world government/NO...I am for America first....I guess I am actually more libertarian in this view

-pro life/yes except in the cases of rape, incest, or in the case of a surgical emergency threatening the mother's life

-pro urban planning/privatized urban planning, yes

-pro defense spending/yes

-patriotic/they call me Mr. Jingo

-vehemently against socialism, Islamofascism, and all current threats to freedom/and illegal immigration..nothing wrong with legit immigration, just illegal

-advanced infrastructure with government funding/I'd like to see goverment involvment minimized, to where they only due the necesities, I'm more for the private sector to take over here, instead of the government getting involved, as that ups our taxes.

-Anti same-sex marriage/ You forgot this one, as this is a biggie. Anti gay marriage and gay adoption
Rhennan
21-11-2005, 02:21
Here are my viewpoints:

-Free Trade

-Abolition of all Welfare

-Defense spending only if it is really necessary. The military should not be given a blank check. This also means only engaging in war if attacked. Situations like Iraq are to be avoided.

-Pro Abortion

-Pro Euthanasia

-Anti-Legalization of drugs

-Limit to the amount of children that people can have

-Privatized education

-Improved public transportation in the US

-Complete and entire seperation of church and state

-Foreign aid should only be given in special circumstances on a case by case basis

-Patriotism only if you feel that your country is something to be proud about. Blind adherence to any country will often trump logic and common sense.

-The sole purpose of the government should be running the agencies that enforce the law, such as the military and the police. It should not take the place of somebody's parents and hand out money to anyone that asks for it. This also means that it should not be a bureaucracy that has become bloated with regulatory departments or meddle in the private lives of a country's citizens unless it has a very compelling reason to do so.

-taxes should be much lower, and they should only be enough to pay for what the government needs (see above)

-The government should not sponsor marriages, both gay or straight, at all. Marriage should be an issue left to religion. If you want to be married in the eyes of your associated religion, go to your place of worship, and ask one of the clergy to perform a marriage ceremony. If your church does not let gay people marry, join one that does. Or don't get married at all. Being "married" should not matter to the government, since it should not hand out any benefits whatsoever to "married" people. On the other hand, people should be allowed to live with whoever they choose, without the government's or their religion's approval.

-There should be term limits for every political office, including senators

-No one should be forced to register with the selective service, and conscription should be banned. Serving in the military should be on a strictly volunteer basis, and an individual decision.


Lotus Puppy and I do agree on a few things though.