NationStates Jolt Archive

I distinctly remember hearing that the Democrats were having no trouble raising funds, and that Dean had the matter well in hand. Now I know that I've read that he was having fundraising troubles ever since he became DNC Chairman - but there are those who say that I'm just reading conservative tea leaves (or wish lists). Well, here's the Washington Post - not a conservative rag, and the sources are Democrats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111101833_pf.html

The Democratic National Committee under Howard Dean is losing the fundraising race against Republicans by nearly 2 to 1, a slow start that is stirring concern among strategists who worry that a cash shortage could hinder the party's competitiveness in next year's midterm elections.

The former Vermont governor and presidential candidate took the chairmanship of the national party eight months ago, riding the enthusiasm of grass-roots activists who relished his firebrand rhetorical style. But he faced widespread misgivings from establishment Democrats, including elected officials and Washington operatives, who questioned whether Dean was the right fit in a job that traditionally has centered on fundraising and the courting of major donors.

Now, the latest financial numbers are prompting new doubts. From January through September, the Republican National Committee raised $81.5 million, with $34 million remaining in the bank. The Democratic National Committee, by contrast, showed $42 million raised and $6.8 million in the bank.

Ted Turner will bail 'em out.

Seriously, why would the Democrats put Howard "The Scream" Dean in a position of national importance if they were serious about attracting anyone but left-wing weirdos? He's not the kind of face on the Democratic party that will attract large donations from GE or most of moderate America.

I like how you guys ignore this part of the story:In the previous election cycle, the DNC had raised $31 million, compared with the RNC's $80 million, at this point in 2003. But the cash-on-hand disparity -- the main concern of party strategists -- was less daunting then, with the RNC sitting on $27 million to nearly $10 million for the DNC.

Finney noted that the DNC has staff in 38 states and will have organizers in every state by the year's end. She also noted that it donated $5 million to the winning gubernatorial campaign of Virginia Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine.
What does that mean? It means Dean's doing better than McAuliffe did in raising money, and it means that he's spending it on grassroots, which is something McAuliffe didn't do. Democrats are used to being outraised and outspent--that's not likely to change, ever.

Oh, but if you want to look at the larger picture of Democrats versus Republicans in fundraising, I'd suggest you look at the dollar figures for the Senate and House Campaign Committees as well.

The fact that the Democrats are outraised and outspent in almost every single election and still manage to do as well as they do should say a lot for the effectiveness of the Republican party's marketting department.

"Democratic Fundraising"

I've said it before and I'll probably have to say it again: Howard Dean is a loon! As long as the Dems rely on people like him, the Reps have nothing to worry about. :(

Here's a clue for Dems: Drag yer frakkin' Party into the 21st Century, kicking and screaming if necessary, but get rid of the prejudicial baggage if you want to win elections!

The parties here have huge limitations on the amount they can spend on campaigning. It forces them to be smarter about it.

"Democratic Fundraising"

I've said it before and I'll probably have to say it again: Howard Dean is a loon! As long as the Dems rely on people like him, the Reps have nothing to worry about. :(

Here's a clue for Dems: Drag yer frakkin' Party into the 21st Century, kicking and screaming if necessary, but get rid of the prejudicial baggage if you want to win elections!

I wonder what century the Republican party is in.

"Democratic Fundraising"

I've said it before and I'll probably have to say it again: Howard Dean is a loon! As long as the Dems rely on people like him, the Reps have nothing to worry about. :(

Here's a clue for Dems: Drag yer frakkin' Party into the 21st Century, kicking and screaming if necessary, but get rid of the prejudicial baggage if you want to win elections!
You can rag on Kerry all you like, but leave Dean alone!

Dean is cool and worthy.

"Democratic Fundraising"

I've said it before and I'll probably have to say it again: Howard Dean is a loon! As long as the Dems rely on people like him, the Reps have nothing to worry about. :(

Here's a clue for Dems: Drag yer frakkin' Party into the 21st Century, kicking and screaming if necessary, but get rid of the prejudicial baggage if you want to win elections!We're going to disagree on this, Eutrusca, especially since you never back that statement up. You say it time and again, and never come up with anything loony (except perhaps the scream, which has been explained over and over again--maybe you missed it? the circumstances behind it? didn't see a tape of the action from the floor where there wasn't a microphone filtering out the ambient noise?).

Do me a favor--look up his stances, his policy recommendations and then explain why he's a loon. You may be surprised.

I liked Howard Dean just because I liked the idea of a US president who yells a lot more than a US president who stutters a lot.

I like Howard Dean because he wants there to be discernable differences between the Democratic and Republican parties.

We're going to disagree on this, Eutrusca, especially since you never back that statement up. You say it time and again, and never come up with anything loony (except perhaps the scream, which has been explained over and over again--maybe you missed it? the circumstances behind it? didn't see a tape of the action from the floor where there wasn't a microphone filtering out the ambient noise?).

Do me a favor--look up his stances, his policy recommendations and then explain why he's a loon. You may be surprised.
"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."

The Democrats are having trouble raising money and will have trouble in the 06 elections because they have abandoned their core principles for the agenda of the radical left. The people are fed up with it and will either vote Republican or not vote in the next election. The Democrats must come up with a real platform and get away from the anti-Bush, anti-Republican, anti-war stance that gets them nowhere. They must come up with a platform based on real issues such as tax reform, budget, deficit, Social Security, etc. They have two years to the mid term election and I don't think they can or will come up with a platform.

"Democrats" and "Radical left"

That doesn't scan. At all. They are further right than the UK Conservative party, don't even try that one Celtlund.

The Democrats are having trouble raising money and will have trouble in the 06 elections because they have abandoned their core principles for the agenda of the radical left. The people are fed up with it and will either vote Republican or not vote in the next election. The Democrats must come up with a real platform and get away from the anti-Bush, anti-Republican, anti-war stance that gets them nowhere. They must come up with a platform based on real issues such as tax reform, budget, deficit, Social Security, etc. They have two years to the mid term election and I don't think they can or will come up with a platform.
Again--the Democrats are not having trouble raising money. The DNC is ahead of where we were this time last election cycle. The DSCC is eating their Republican counterparts for lunch, and the DCCC is holding its own. What's more, we're spending money on states that we had in the past abandoned--that's why we've got less cash in hand--but that's already paying dividends. We picked up state and local races all across the country, and those folks are the farm team who move up into federal offices.

As to the platform, we have one but we need to do a better job of getting it attention. That'll happen, but let's face it--right now, the only people paying attention are the junkies The Republican Contract on (oops, I mean with) America wasn't released until 2 months before the 1994 election, so we have plenty of time. Besides, the way the Republicans are self-destructing right now, why should we do anything that will get their corruption out of the news cycle? You want us to bail your sorry asses out right now? No thanks.

Oh, and one more thing--the mid-terms are in less than a year now, not two years, but you were close.

"Democrats" and "Radical left"

That doesn't scan. At all. They are further right than the UK Conservative party, don't even try that one Celtlund.
Well if you say rhetoric enough you start believing it.

Celtand apparently is starting to believe it.



As to the platform, we have one but we need to do a better job of getting it attention. That'll happen, but let's face it--right now, the only people paying attention are the junkies The Republican Contract on (oops, I mean with) America wasn't released until 2 months before the 1994 election, so we have plenty of time. Besides, the way the Republicans are self-destructing right now, why should we do anything that will get their corruption out of the news cycle? You want us to bail your sorry asses out right now? No thanks.

Oh, and one more thing--the mid-terms are in less than a year now, not two years, but you were close.

Agreed, I know the platform: Kerry even mentioned it many times, but he had two aspects of message and people only listened to 1.
a. There was the Anti-war made based on false intelligence part, Bush has done bad things, burt he never said a Anti-republican stance...

b. Then there was budget, deficit, Social Security, etc.

How did Celtland come up with a anti-Prepub stance from Democrats? Just because Republicans have a anti-democrat stance doesn't mean the other side does too.

We're going to disagree on this, Eutrusca, especially since you never back that statement up. You say it time and again, and never come up with anything loony (except perhaps the scream, which has been explained over and over again--maybe you missed it? the circumstances behind it? didn't see a tape of the action from the floor where there wasn't a microphone filtering out the ambient noise?).

Do me a favor--look up his stances, his policy recommendations and then explain why he's a loon. You may be surprised.

you people and your 'facts' and 'logic'. don't you know that's no way to play politics? the key is to make up utterly stupid lies that can easily be checked, and dominate the media to the point where they get buried even if they are.

"Democrats" and "Radical left"

That doesn't scan. At all. They are further right than the UK Conservative party, don't even try that one Celtlund.

but if you know people believe that 'radical left = bad' and you think 'democrats = bad', then clearly 'democrats = radical left'. it's a simple use of an excellent fallacious argument. and since fallacious is a big word, the argument must be good. i mean, come on, we're dealing with people whose texan representatives were so in awe of the word 'identical' as a big legalistic sounding word that they accidently banned only heterosexual marriages.

The Democrats are having trouble raising money and will have trouble in the 06 elections because they have abandoned their core principles for the agenda of the radical left. The people are fed up with it and will either vote Republican or not vote in the next election. The Democrats must come up with a real platform and get away from the anti-Bush, anti-Republican, anti-war stance that gets them nowhere. They must come up with a platform based on real issues such as tax reform, budget, deficit, Social Security, etc. They have two years to the mid term election and I don't think they can or will come up with a platform.


I can't wait until you have to hand me that cookie you bet me on. Don't think I for got about it ;)

EDIT: BTW I prefer oatmeal raisin

The Democrats are having trouble raising money and will have trouble in the 06 elections because they have abandoned their core principles for the agenda of the radical left. The people are fed up with it and will either vote Republican or not vote in the next election. The Democrats must come up with a real platform and get away from the anti-Bush, anti-Republican, anti-war stance that gets them nowhere. They must come up with a platform based on real issues such as tax reform, budget, deficit, Social Security, etc. They have two years to the mid term election and I don't think they can or will come up with a platform.
Yeah, there has been such a great anti-democrat backlash across the country that democratic governors are being swept out of office and Republican initiatives are passing with ease.


Oh, wait.

Seriously, why would the Democrats put Howard "The Scream" Dean in a position of national importance if they were serious about attracting anyone but left-wing weirdos? He's not the kind of face on the Democratic party that will attract large donations from GE or most of moderate America.

Yes, just because someone embarrasses them self in public instantly disqualifies them for public office. Wait, doesn't GW do that every time that there's a press conference?

Dean would have been an excellent president. He's a gun-nut as well.

Yes, just because someone embarrasses them self in public instantly disqualifies them for public office.

or, even better, can deceptively be implied to have done so

or, even better, can deceptively be implied to have done so

Hush, the lie is simple and the real answer is complex. Which do you think people tend to gravitate towards?

Hush, the lie is simple and the real answer is complex. Which do you think people tend to gravitate towards?

I think it's not just about lying, but also knowing exactly what your "fans" want to hear. Combining those two things well is a thing that the republicans have cultivated to an extreme. They're better at it now than actually governing, and it's starting to show like a third tri-mester pregnancy.

"Democrats" and "Radical left"

That doesn't scan. At all. They are further right than the UK Conservative party, don't even try that one Celtlund.

I'm not in the UK. :D Some Democrats in the US like Dean are radical left and they are the ones running the DNC. They need to move back toward the center if they want to win the election.

Again--the Democrats are not having trouble raising money.

So the article in the first post is not true?

Oh, and one more thing--the mid-terms are in less than a year now, not two years, but you were close.

OOPS, my bad. I'll go stand in the corner for 10 minutes. :D

So the article in the first post is not true?

It lacks context, as I noted in my lengthy reply, which you snipped without commenting on.

As to the platform, we have one but we need to do a better job of getting it attention.

Please tell us what the platform is or provide links to it. I'am interested in knowing what the platform is.

How did Celtland come up with a anti-Prepub stance from Democrats? Just because Republicans have a anti-democrat stance doesn't mean the other side does too.

I've listend to Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, and several other Democrats and all I've heard is Republican bashing. I have not heard any ideas to help solve some of the problems facing this country. What the Democratic Party needs is another Harry S. Truman, someone who has ideas and will provide leadership. I could vote for somone like that, but don't see him/her around.

I can't wait until you have to hand me that cookie you bet me on. Don't think I for got about it ;)

EDIT: BTW I prefer oatmeal raisin

I will gladly take that huge chocolate chip one you are going to give me. :D

Yeah, there has been such a great anti-democrat backlash across the country that democratic governors are being swept out of office and Republican initiatives are passing with ease.


Oh, wait.

A couple of states a sweep does not make.

you people and your 'facts' and 'logic'. don't you know that's no way to play politics? the key is to make up utterly stupid lies that can easily be checked, and dominate the media to the point where they get buried even if they are.
Well, at least someone here gets it. ;)

Dean would have been an excellent president. He's a gun-nut as well.

He's the kind of nut that shouldn't have a gun. :eek: (sorry I just couldn't resist that)

I will gladly take that huge chocolate chip one you are going to give me. :D

Got arrogance?

It lacks context, as I noted in my lengthy reply, which you snipped without commenting on.

So, the article that was published in a prominent newspaper that was full of figures and quotes from Democrats was not true? Please provide some facts to dispute the article and support your position that the Democrats are not lagging in fund raising.

A couple of states a sweep does not make.

It's more than just a "couple", repo agendas and candidates have been rejected in VA, NJ, CA, AZ, ME, MN, PA, just to name a few.

Got arrogance?

Confidence. :)

Confidence.v :)

"Your overconfidence is your weakness..."

So, the article that was published in a prominent newspaper that was full of figures and quotes from Democrats was not true? Please provide some facts to dispute the article and support your position that the Democrats are not lagging in fund raising.
Again--look at my original post. I've already done most of the work there, and there's no reason for me to repeat myself. You snipped my post without replying to it--go back and read the damn thing.

A couple of states a sweep does not make.
But shoves massive holes in your blithe broadside that the republicans are poised to sweep democrats out of office, when you couldn't throw out a tainted NJ politician.

Seriously, why would the Democrats put Howard "The Scream" Dean in a position of national importance if they were serious about attracting anyone but left-wing weirdos? He's not the kind of face on the Democratic party that will attract large donations from GE or most of moderate America.
When will you ever learn? Dean is not a leftist weirdo. "Leftist weirdos" don't cut taxes.