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This may be viewed as a strange question, but...
If a person makes fun of all of the races including his own, is it still racism? Such as, I call my best friends, a beaner and a limey. But I also call myself a canuck. Is that still racist?

It depends upon whom you refer to really. If they are white, then no, abuse, discriminate and insult away, but for the love of God do not provoke an ethnic minority, they are divinely sanctioned as superior to the hites, and governments uphold this fallacy in a facade of multculturalism.

I have friends. They happen to be black. They make white jokes and Irish jokes. I make black jokes. Everyone goes away happy. Relax.

It's racism if you mean that a race is superior to other races...

It depends upon whom you refer to really. If they are white, then no, abuse, discriminate and insult away, but for the love of God do not provoke an ethnic minority, they are divinely sanctioned as superior to the hites, and governments uphold this fallacy in a facade of multculturalism.

Wait, didn't they just spend years combatting seperate standards based on skin color? Not hard enough, it seems.

why is it racist when normal people make funny remarks about a particular ethnicity, but when a comedian makes racist remarks about a particular ethnicity, it's funny?

Depends if you're supposed to laugh at, or are laughing with the comedian.

No it isnt racist to mock other faiths. Its racist to look down on and insult them. Recently, our government tried to outlaw the making of jokes about religions. A number of comedians, including Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean) opposed it. If people can't take a joke, perhaps they ought to grow up...

Your not racist unless you consciously hate other races. I don't see how joking or not being politically correct is racist at all.

why is it racist when normal people make funny remarks about a particular ethnicity, but when a comedian makes racist remarks about a particular ethnicity, it's funny?

If you get paid for making funny, racist remarks, that's just your job. To be funny. You, however, makes funny, racist remarks, it may be your hobby. To be a racist.

Wait, didn't they just spend years combatting seperate standards based on skin color? Not hard enough, it seems.

yes, but they didn't stop at equality of access/treatment.

that's the problem.

this is how it is in the US:

if a white person were to say "I think that some black people are lazy" (which is of course correct, just as some people of all other races are lazy), he would be called a racist.

if a black person were to say "I hate white people. White people are inferior to black people and should all die"... that person might well be christened as the next great African-American leader in the struggle for racial equality.

Political Correctness has got many americans thinking that the atrocities of slavery were:

a)The fault of every white person alive today, or at least every white American

and

b)therefore, we owe African-Americans everything we have. If they are poor, it is our fault and we should pay to support them... and etc. Poor white people are white trash crackers; poor black people are disadvantaged victims of racism.

I think this shit has to stop. We can't stop racism by keeping it up. And we need to stop feeling sorry for people. Let all people be judged on their character, not the color of their skin, and let us expect greatness of each other instead of handing out entitlements to do nothing.

I think that nobody should be excused for racism, regardless of the color of the mouthpiece.

This may be viewed as a strange question, but...
If a person makes fun of all of the races including his own, is it still racism? Such as, I call my best friends, a beaner and a limey. But I also call myself a canuck. Is that still racist?
"I don't descriminate, I hate everyone equally!"

"I don't descriminate, I hate everyone equally!"

well at least you're consistent. hehe

This may be viewed as a strange question, but...
If a person makes fun of all of the races including his own, is it still racism? Such as, I call my best friends, a beaner and a limey. But I also call myself a canuck. Is that still racist?
No. Racism involves thinking that your own people are superior to others by virtue of the color of their skin or their geographical origin. Jokes aren't racist unless they're told in a mean-spirited, insulting way in order to put those mud people or those crackers, or those Jews, etc. in their place.

Meh. I have plenty of friends with un-PC nicknames, none of them mind. BFD.

This may be viewed as a strange question, but...
If a person makes fun of all of the races including his own, is it still racism? Such as, I call my best friends, a beaner and a limey. But I also call myself a canuck. Is that still racist?
He is racist just not bias ... he alows race to be a factor in his jokes and decisions, but he is not being bias at least.

yes, but they didn't stop at equality of access/treatment.

that's the problem.

this is how it is in the US:

if a white person were to say "I think that some black people are lazy" (which is of course correct, just as some people of all other races are lazy), he would be called a racist.

if a black person were to say "I hate white people. White people are inferior to black people and should all die"... that person might well be christened as the next great African-American leader in the struggle for racial equality.

Political Correctness has got many americans thinking that the atrocities of slavery were:

a)The fault of every white person alive today, or at least every white American

and

b)therefore, we owe African-Americans everything we have. If they are poor, it is our fault and we should pay to support them... and etc. Poor white people are white trash crackers; poor black people are disadvantaged victims of racism.

I think this shit has to stop. We can't stop racism by keeping it up. And we need to stop feeling sorry for people. Let all people be judged on their character, not the color of their skin, and let us expect greatness of each other instead of handing out entitlements to do nothing.

I think that nobody should be excused for racism, regardless of the color of the mouthpiece.

I agree

yes, but they didn't stop at equality of access/treatment.

that's the problem.

this is how it is in the US:

if a white person were to say "I think that some black people are lazy" (which is of course correct, just as some people of all other races are lazy), he would be called a racist.
I doubt that this is true in the sense of 'if ever any white person...'. Unless 'if a'...'he would' is only being premised as contingently true, I doubt very much that the statement is true.

if a black person were to say "I hate white people. White people are inferior to black people and should all die"... that person might well be christened as the next great African-American leader in the struggle for racial equality.
Aha, but they also might well not be. Further they might well be called racist, or they might well win a trip to the Bahamas or they might well be struck by lightening...they might well be subject to anything that exists in the set 'anything that is not impossible'. Further I would suggest that they probably would be subject to a number of the members of the set 'anything that is not impossible', and that being christened as the next great African-American leader in the struggle for racial equality is no more likely than many other such members, and a great deal less likely than many others.

Political Correctness has got many americans thinking that the atrocities of slavery were:
a)The fault of every white person alive today, or at least every white American
and
b)therefore, we owe African-Americans everything we have. If they are poor, it is our fault and we should pay to support them... and etc. Poor white people are white trash crackers; poor black people are disadvantaged victims of racism.
Hang on, just to clarify was it your intention to claim that Political Correctness has got many Americans thinking that poor white people are white trash crackers, or was that inadvertent?
Either way your statement strikes me as a reductionist generalisation that is at least as unuseful as it is true. Any truth conveyed by the statment appears to me to rely on the vagueness of the statement.

I think this shit has to stop. We can't stop racism by keeping it up.
I'm really not sure what 'shit' you think needs stopping, but I agree with the latter sentence.

And we need to stop feeling sorry for people. Let all people be judged on their character, not the color of their skin, and let us expect greatness of each other instead of handing out entitlements to do nothing.

This statement seems to me to be a vague platitude devoid of any useful meaning.

I think that nobody should be excused for racism, regardless of the color of the mouthpiece.
Aha, I dont disagree with this platitude, but then I suspect most people would agree so far as their 'public' statements are concerned.

This may be viewed as a strange question, but...
If a person makes fun of all of the races including his own, is it still racism? Such as, I call my best friends, a beaner and a limey. But I also call myself a canuck. Is that still racist?

Most simply, racism is just prejudice based on race. Hate is not a prerequisite. However, considering that you are making fun of all races, I would say that's not racist. You're racist, I'm sure, seeing as everyone's a little racist, but that's not why. What would be racist is if you didn't make fun of a certain ethnic group, e.g. blacks or jews, simply because they're blacks or jews and you consider making fun of one of those groups more serious than making fun of other groups.

I doubt that this is true in the sense of 'if ever any white person...'. Unless 'if a'...'he would' is only being premised as contingently true, I doubt very much that the statement is true.


Aha, but they also might well not be. Further they might well be called racist, or they might well win a trip to the Bahamas or they might well be struck by lightening...they might well be subject to anything that exists in the set 'anything that is not impossible'. Further I would suggest that they probably would be subject to a number of the members of the set 'anything that is not impossible', and that being christened as the next great African-American leader in the struggle for racial equality is no more likely than many other such members, and a great deal less likely than many others.


Hang on, just to clarify was it your intention to claim that Political Correctness has got many Americans thinking that poor white people are white trash crackers, or was that inadvertent?
Either way your statement strikes me as a reductionist generalisation that is at least as unuseful as it is true. Any truth conveyed by the statment appears to me to rely on the vagueness of the statement.


I'm really not sure what 'shit' you think needs stopping, but I agree with the latter sentence.


This statement seems to me to be a vague platitude devoid of any useful meaning.


Aha, I dont disagree with this platitude, but then I suspect most people would agree so far as their 'public' statements are concerned.

:( i feel sorry for you, you've got to stop being so rigid and analytical, and try wondering why people say the things they do, and see their point that way, rather than just breaking their arguement down and dismissing every bit piece by piece with rigid logic, trying to sound smart by using longer, less common words doesn't work either.

Making jokes about ethnicity/gender/religion/etc. is not bigotry unless you mean it. We call my Arabic friend, "That brown guy," and he refers to himself that way. He, along with the rest of our group of friends will make terrorist jokes and joke about various other stereotypes. We all do it in our group, about all sorts of things. My boyfriend will make jokes like asking, "Shouldn't you be in the kitchen, woman?" And so on....

As long as it is done in good fun, and everyone involved knows that it is a joke and not a stereotype you actually believe, it isn't bigotry. It is, in fact, making fun of bigotry.

This may be viewed as a strange question, but...
If a person makes fun of all of the races including his own, is it still racism? Such as, I call my best friends, a beaner and a limey. But I also call myself a canuck. Is that still racist?

just look up racism in the dictionary, that'll tell you

snippy-snappy
Just checking......

...and correct me if this is wrong, but your advice to me is that I ought to abandon my point of view, my reasoning habits, my prose, and in particular my use of logic, in favour of adopting your point of view, which apparently involves assuming my speculations about other peoples' possible motivations and point of view are factual rather than merely speculative, apparently so that I can better understand their point of view?:confused:

Forgive my skeptism, but if my speculations about your motivations and point of view are correct, not only does doing as you suggest appear to result in erroneous conclusions about other people's point of view, but apparently it also entails a belief that telling someone to 'have your point of view' rather than their own, can be properly described as 'trying to understand' their point of view...

In all honesty I'd rather do things my way; for a start I cant recall the last time my own point of view led me to level insults at someone else, based on entirely erroneous conclusions about their point of view, whilst also telling them to stop having what I imagine to be their point of veiw, and to instead become my intellectual clone, and to do all this apparently under the belief that it can be described as trying to understand someone else's point of view...