NationStates Jolt Archive

"True civilization will unfurl its banner in the midmost heart of the world whenever a certain number of its distinguished and high-minded sovereigns -- the shining exemplars of devotion and determination -- shall, for the good and happiness of all mankind, arise, with firm resolve and clear vision, to establish the Cause of Universal Peace. They must make the Cause of Peace the object of general consultation, and seek by every means in their power to establish a Union of the nations of the world. They must conclude a binding treaty and establish a covenant, the provisions of which shall be sound, inviolable and definite. They must proclaim it to all the world and obtain for it the sanction of all the human race. This supreme and noble undertaking -- the real source of the peace and well-being of all the world -- should be regarded as sacred by all that dwell on earth. All the forces of humanity must be mobilized to ensure the stability and permanence of this Most Great Covenant. In this all-embracing Pact the limits and frontiers of each and every nation should be clearly fixed, the principles underlying the relations of governments towards one another definitely laid down, and all international agreements and obligations ascertained. In like manner, the size of the armaments of every government should be strictly limited, for if the preparations for war and the military forces of any nation should be allowed to increase, they will arouse the suspicion of others. The fundamental principle underlying this solemn Pact should be so fixed that if any government later violate any one of its provisions, all the governments on earth should arise to reduce it to utter submission, nay the human race as a whole should resolve, with every power at its disposal, to destroy that government. Should this greatest of all remedies be applied to the sick body of the world, it will assuredly recover from its ills and will remain eternally safe and secure."

(Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 36)

If we develop a virus whose only effect on humans is to sterilize them, and it is transmitted by airborne means, then it would spread over most of the world before anyone realized what was going on.

And the human race would wither away.

We will never achieve world peace without the extermination of the human species.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/20/mushroom_cloud_wideweb__430x269.jpg

Hugging groups are the answer. :fluffle:

peace among mankind will never happen

it's a pipe dream

so rather than waste time on it, i'm going to push for killing those who want to threaten freedom and kill civilians with intent to kill them

terrorists

if we could take care of terrorism, that would be a big step in the right direction

We destroy Wal Mart.....tonight...

We destroy Wal Mart.....tonight...

I agree. But let us also add to the list Electronic Arts for their total incompetence in creating games.

Not only can it happen (World Peace) it will happen. Every year,every day, every minute we are pushed kicking and screaming into establishing Peace. The signs are all around you. You have to open your eyes wider to see them.

Today is Nov. 11th and it is warm enough to place tennis outside in Bemidji, MN. I am going to do that right now. I'll talk to you later.

A better, more robust version of the UN might, might, work, but probably the best way would be to do away with nations altogether. If we all considered ourselves as members of the human species first and foremost, and as citizens of particular countries or followers of certain ideals secondarily, we might have a chance of pulling this off. Unfortunately, I'm a cynic, so I plan to get off planet as soon as possible (I hear the weather is great on Mars.)

I'm obviously not living in the place with the best mind-altering substances in the water.

We will never achieve world peace without the extermination of the human species.


Yepper. The Human race is far too egotistical, petty, greedy, selfish and violent for us to ever be at peace with ourselves. :(

Not only can it happen (World Peace) it will happen. Every year,every day, every minute we are pushed kicking and screaming into establishing Peace. The signs are all around you. You have to open your eyes wider to see them.

Today is Nov. 11th and it is warm enough to place tennis outside in Bemidji, MN. I am going to do that right now. I'll talk to you later.

not when

a)People want to be free

and

b)Some people insist on holding power over those people.

we're seeing that in Iraq.

the fight for power over men will not allow for peace to ever really come to fruition. But there can be relative peace.

caveat: only after we kill all the terrorists. hehe

If we all considered ourselves as members of the human species first and foremost, and as citizens of particular countries or followers of certain ideals secondarily, we might have a chance of pulling this off.
I'm not about to accept Human as my primary grouping. I know humans, I've seen humans, I have human coworkers, and they are ignorant, blind, stupid, idealistic and waste their time on ridiculous concepts like "World Peace."
Anyway, why waste your time on some sort of lame Hippy Paradise when you have one of the most beautiful and exquisite Hells imagineable? There is little point to a life without fighting, greed and angst.

How cute, you stil think world peace is possible.
I'm going to go with the DHomme answer.
http://members.aol.com/realwaileaestate/images/cat%20w-machine%20gun.jpg

World peace will happen when a world communistic regime is set up. Hah... like that's gonna happen.

More likely, it'll happen when everyone needs to gang up on a common enemy.

My suggestion? Breed some sort of crazy psycho superbeing under multinational jurisdiction and let it loose, then let it kill a few hundred thousand people and watch as the entire global community either cooperates or gets crushed.

I agree. But let us also add to the list Electronic Arts for their total incompetence in creating games.

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

I need my Sims 2 Expansion pack games. Don't do that. :D

How cute, you stil think world peace is possible.
I'm going to go with the DHomme answer.
<piccy!>
Someday, when my army of sniping kittens has finally been launched upon the world, people will look at that image and dread that they ignored the visionary warning. They'll understand that prophesies are nothing to be joked around with, but it will be too late because I will be unstoppable by then.
Until then it is still pretty amusing, yes?

World peace can only be accomplished when we get rid of all the fucking pussies who are against war. Want peace? Kill all who oppose it. It's simple enough.

And don't worry dirty hippies, you won't have to fight. Just shut the fuck up and let the grown ups do their jobs.

(holy shit, am I bitter today! :mad: )

As far as complete world peace, much as I would like to believe otherwise, it is simply impossible. However, this shouldn't stop us from trying to do the best we can. In general, we need to cut back on the hate, intolerance, and greed, and learn to accept eachother's differences. After that, we can stop making so many tanks, then maybe in a few hundred years we'll stop shooting at each other.

Why on earth would we want it?

There will never be "Peace".

Why? Because there has never BEEN Peace.

What we call "Peace" is a purely theoretical state of affairs whose existence we deduce because there have been intervals between Wars.

War and temporary Recess is the only reality.

I believe that world peace can be accomplished through the complete prevention of forum fires. Or maybe that is simply the recipe for Peace in General. :)

Regime changes everywhere that there's a dictatorship. Democracies can't stomach wars against each other.

I like the sterilization plan though. Except for the inevitable mass social breakdown that comes at the end of it.

A few, unaware of the power latent in human endeavor, consider this matter as highly impracticable, nay even beyond the scope of man's utmost efforts. Such is not the case, however. On the contrary, thanks to the unfailing grace of God, the loving-kindness of His favored ones, the unrivaled endeavors of wise and capable souls, and the thoughts and ideas of the peerless leaders of this age, nothing whatsoever can be regarded as unattainable. Endeavor, ceaseless endeavor, is required. Nothing short of an indomitable determination can possibly achieve it. Many a cause which past ages have regarded as purely visionary, yet in this day has become most easy and practicable. Why should this most great and lofty Cause -- the daystar of the firmament of true civilization and the cause of the glory, the advancement, the well-being and the success of all humanity -- be regarded as impossible of achievement? Surely the day will come when its beauteous light shall shed illumination upon the assemblage of man.

(Abdu'l-Baha, The Secret of Divine Civilization, p. 65)

War and temporary Recess is the only reality.
Whohoo, Recess.

Simple anwer: we don't.

GoodThoughts, quotes are all well and good, but at the current state it just isn't going to happen. Not any time soon.

Small edit:

GoodThoughts, quotes from the founder of yet another Religion (in this case the Bahai' Faith) are all well and good, but at the current state it just isn't going to happen. Not any time soon.

Sorry.

We destroy Wal Mart.....tonight...

You can't do that. My boyfriend wouldn't be able to pay rent and there would be war.

Kill everyone who disagrees with the majority to achieve peace.

Small edit:

Sorry.
And that added anything to his original statement... how, exactly? Quotes still don't do any good, regardless of their source. I don't think finger-pointing a specific organisation is particularly adding to the point.

Get everyone stoned and keep 'em that way.

Hmmmmmmm?

How about worshiping the effort to improve yourself rather than worshiping the effort to improve your bank account?

Kill all the humans.

Worldwide nuclear armegeddon. After that, the world would be very peaceful indeed.

The simplest and most readily attainable option would entail the destruction of all living organisms, both extant and future.

I agree there will never be total peace, but war is obviously not the path to even somewhat peace. How about instead of hate we try love instead.

Just think how the Middle East would be different if we took 1/2 of the money we spend on war and spend it on developing the area. How about if we took a small part of that money and went into Gaza, built schools, roads, electrical, water, sewer, desalinization plant, port and other basics. Then we offer microloans to those that want to start businesses. In 20 years Gaza could look like Hong Kong.

There never will be peace in the area as long as a second world country sits next to a fourth world country. The people of Gaza have no hope. People with no hope fight and kill. People with a future want peace. Give them hope and we go a long way toward peace.

Of course it's not nearly as much fun to use love as it is to use hate. Nothing goes BOOM when you use money for love. Even if it's a lot cheaper. And what would the news report? If it bleeds it leads...no blood no interest.

Si vis pacem, para bellum - or more to the point: Promote world peace by killing off humanity!!!

My ideas for world peace

A world Army. IE there would be no longer any such thing as the "British Army" or the "American Army" or the "French Army" etc. No state would own an armed force. Instead all armed forces would be under ownership of a supernational world government system and would only ever be used if a country was abusing human rights to its citizens or anyone else.

Multi-latteral trate agreement. IE there would be a world trade agreement which stated that for a country to be able to export any goods it must own a lisence with the supranational world government. If it begins breaching human rights or doing something against the international order, those trading rights will be taken away and people will refuse to trade with them.

A world Army. IE there would be no longer any such thing as the "British Army" or the "American Army" or the "French Army" etc. No state would own an armed force. Instead all armed forces would be under ownership of a supernational world government system and would only ever be used if a country was abusing human rights to its citizens or anyone else.
If you think I'm surrendering MY FIRST DEFENCE TO NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY to the rest of the world, you've got another thing coming. And just what qualifies as a "human rights abuse?" Ambiguous law leads to abuse.

Multi-latteral trate agreement
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Countries do this on national levels already - THEY'RE CALLED SANCTIONS!

GoodThoughts, quotes are all well and good, but at the current state it just isn't going to happen. Not any time soon.

I wish I had more time to write and respond, but I have a big day tomorrow. All I can is look around and you will find more than quotes. Who would have thought that the Govt. of South Africa would fall. Or, the Iron Curtain rust and fall down because of a mis-step by one East German leader. Peace will come.

I wish I had more time to write and respond, but I have a big day tomorrow. All I can is look around and you will find more than quotes. Who would have thought that the Govt. of South Africa would fall. Or, the Iron Curtain rust and fall down because of a mis-step by one East German leader. Peace will come.
That's a far cry from world peace. It's just a short transitional period, little else.

How to bring about world peace? You're looking at it.

Humanity is more connected than it has been since we were a cluster of homonids scavenging in Africa. With the Internet, each person in the world can potentially speak with any other person in the world. This allows for a great interchange of information and ideas that arbitrary political borders will mean little, if anything at all in influencing the human mind and perspective.

The Internet is young, yet already it has connected millions of people throughout the world. It will only spread, connecting the world in a web of communications. With it, each person will be able to look at all of humanity and realize: We are all, essentially, the same. It is only with this realization, that all people have the same wants, needs, and insecurities, that hatred will break down and peace can be established.

United States of Earth or bust!

Tree, Rope, Dictator ... some assembly required.

Tree, Rope, Communist ... some assembly required.

If we develop a virus whose only effect on humans is to sterilize them, and it is transmitted by airborne means, then it would spread over most of the world before anyone realized what was going on.

And the human race would wither away.
We will never achieve world peace without the extermination of the human species.
exactly

Si vis pacem, para bellum - or more to the point: Promote world peace by killing off humanity!!!
Except that humans aren't the only species to undergo war. You'd also have to take down most primates and species of ants, and then you'd still have Koala Bears around to fuck things up.

If you think I'm surrendering MY FIRST DEFENCE TO NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY to the rest of the world, you've got another thing coming. And just what qualifies as a "human rights abuse?" Ambiguous law leads to abuse.

Your just being arrogent then. The nation state is a barrier to peace in the world since it creates entities which fight. Also, the UN convention on human rights defines them. Without individual armies, you would not need defending. No one elses army would attack you. And if a terrorist group attacked you, the entire worlds resorcses would go into finding them.


Countries do this on national levels already - THEY'RE CALLED SANCTIONS!

Sanctions are done by one country to another country. Not by every country in the world to one country

"How do we achieve World Peace?"

People are too violence prone to find the path to peace on their own. I favor kicking the frakkin' dog shit out of everyone who dares to foment unrest. :D

To achieve world peace we would all have to understand that there is nothing to fear in people who don't look, sound, think, believe, or behave the same. Even then, there are still going to be a few people who enjoy creating death, destruction, and misery (due to faulty wiring?). Perhaps, some day, genetic engineering will reach the point where anti-social traits are removed from everyone's DNA. But, then we would be something other than our real selves.

Your just being arrogent then. The nation state is a barrier to peace in the world since it creates entities which fight.
So by that logic, isn't a world government just a giant nation state? And don't tell me that the world government would never pit one province/state against another....

Also, the UN convention on human rights defines them.
And the UN has never committed human rights abuse, has it now? :rolleyes:

Without individual armies, you would not need defending. No one elses army would attack you.
What about the world army? Don't deceive yourself into thinking that it would never committ harm

And if a terrorist group attacked you, the entire worlds resorcses would go into finding them.
Unfair to the rest of the world - why should they waste their resources on me? My country can manage fine tracking terrorists down on its own, thank you very much.

So by that logic, isn't a world government just a giant nation state? And don't tell me that the world government would never pit one province/state against another...

It is, but there is no other state to fight against.


And the UN has never committed human rights abuse, has it now? :rolleyes:

But that doesnt make the doucment into anything bad. It is a good document and has good principals. Its just people have failed to apply them


What about the world army? Don't deceive yourself into thinking that it would never committ harm.

Only commit harm to those who are breaching human rights.


Unfair to the rest of the world - why should they waste their resources on me? My country can manage fine tracking terrorists down on its own, thank you very much.

Because you are human and they are human. All humans should help other humans in times of need like this.

It is, but there is no other state to fight against.

How about aliens?

But that doesnt make the doucment into anything bad. It is a good document and has good principals. Its just people have failed to apply them

What a human right is for one nation, isn't a human right for another.

Only commit harm to those who are breaching human rights.

You will be living in fantasy land.

Because you are human and they are human. All humans should help other humans in times of need like this.

True but what if a nation wants to do it themselves. Are you going to deny them that right?

Class war. then peace. Neo K has the right idea.

Victory to the feline resistance!

Your just being arrogent then. The nation state is a barrier to peace in the world since it creates entities which fight. Also, the UN convention on human rights defines them. Without individual armies, you would not need defending. No one elses army would attack you. And if a terrorist group attacked you, the entire worlds resorcses would go into finding them.



Sanctions are done by one country to another country. Not by every country in the world to one country
Yes, I want my country's human rights watched over by the UN Commission on Human Rights, whose membership includes countries with such stellar human rights records as Cuba, Sudan, China, and Zimbabwe, at present. Not that I'm being sarcastic . . .

"True civilization will unfurl its banner in the midmost heart of the world whenever a certain number of its distinguished and high-minded sovereigns -- the shining exemplars of devotion and determination -- shall, for the good and happiness of all mankind, arise, with firm resolve and clear vision, to establish the Cause of Universal Peace. They must make the Cause of Peace the object of general consultation, and seek by every means in their power to establish a Union of the nations of the world. They must conclude a binding treaty and establish a covenant, the provisions of which shall be sound, inviolable and definite. They must proclaim it to all the world and obtain for it the sanction of all the human race. This supreme and noble undertaking -- the real source of the peace and well-being of all the world -- should be regarded as sacred by all that dwell on earth. All the forces of humanity must be mobilized to ensure the stability and permanence of this Most Great Covenant. In this all-embracing Pact the limits and frontiers of each and every nation should be clearly fixed, the principles underlying the relations of governments towards one another definitely laid down, and all international agreements and obligations ascertained. In like manner, the size of the armaments of every government should be strictly limited, for if the preparations for war and the military forces of any nation should be allowed to increase, they will arouse the suspicion of others. The fundamental principle underlying this solemn Pact should be so fixed that if any government later violate any one of its provisions, all the governments on earth should arise to reduce it to utter submission, nay the human race as a whole should resolve, with every power at its disposal, to destroy that government. Should this greatest of all remedies be applied to the sick body of the world, it will assuredly recover from its ills and will remain eternally safe and secure."

(Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 36)

It seems to me most everyone who responded didn't read the quote; or, if they did they didn't respond to it. There are a few possible exceptions.As I read this quote it seems to me that the outline for a peace is clearly stated. If a nation was to violate one the provisions of a treaty every other nation would force it into compliance. Is this really that hard?

It seems to me most everyone who responded didn't read the quote; or, if they did they didn't respond to it. There are a few possible exceptions.As I read this quote it seems to me that the outline for a peace is clearly stated. If a nation was to violate one the provisions of a treaty every other nation would force it into compliance. Is this really that hard?
And thus you have, or at the very least have the threat of, war - so, the "Universal Peace" described hinges on the ability to use Universal War - and is therefor internally inconsistant.

If "All the world" is allowed to destroy (excise the cancer) a violent regime, why should an individual country NOT be allowed to do so? Even mor so, why should an indivisual not be allowed to do so? When one is attacked, or upon the eve off attack, the sane entity has the existential duty to defend itself and not wait for anyone else.

Thus, if the Baha'i way accepts that to attain Universal Peace, we need the threat of Universal War, it also must similarly accept not only all forms of self defense, but the concept of MAD...

Do you really want to go there? (works for me BTW)

And thus you have, or at the very least have the threat of, war - so, the "Universal Peace" described hinges on the ability to use Universal War - and is therefor internally inconsistant.

If "All the world" is allowed to destroy (excise the cancer) a violent regime, why should an individual country NOT be allowed to do so? Even mor so, why should an indivisual not be allowed to do so? When one is attacked, or upon the eve off attack, the sane entity has the existential duty to defend itself and not wait for anyone else.

Thus, if the Baha'i way accepts that to attain Universal Peace, we need the threat of Universal War, it also must similarly accept not only all forms of self defense, but the concept of MAD...

Do you really want to go there? (works for me BTW)

If at some point enough of the nations of the world say sign a treaty that says in effect that they give up the right to settle disputes throught violence or war and if any one of them violate that agreement all other nations agree to rise up against the aggressor war would soon cease to be of any profit to any nation. The aggressor would quickly seen tha it was hopeless to use violence as a means of settle disputes. This is in no way the concept of MAD from the sixities or universal war. Even if one or two countries did attempt to ignore the treaty they would so see that when the rest of the world united against them to attempt to carry out their violent intent was useless and futile.

Not only do we want to go there, it is at this time, in the history of humankind our only hope.

If you look at the Irquois confederecy you see a similar concept that was used sucessfully in a more limited way.

Koala Bears around to fuck things up.

Damn Koala Bears, always sleeping and chewing on eucalyptus.

One of these days, when were not looking, those little bastards are going to reak havoc! Havoc I tell you! Australians will scream in agony as the dastardly creatures waddle forth from their trees and urinate upon them.

Then it will only be a matter of time before all of us are covered in Koala urine.

Peace IS possibly. Not likely however. There are three things that have to be done by a central world government, to ensure peace.

1) Religion. Lets face it, religion is the cause of a majority of wars in some way, ie crusades, arab-israeli war etc. If one were to eliminate religion, or perhaps utiliize the basic concepts of religion, especially monotheistic religions, then that'd be a great jump start to world peace. I have always had the idea of uniting the Abrahamic religions. Although, its not likely, its always been a dream of mine.

2)Rid the world of nationalism and everything that goes along with it, such as national boundaries. Look at what nationalism has done throughout history. Pretty much any conflict in Europe can be rooted in nationalism, along with religion. With a stronger centralized world government, there would be no need for national identity, but rather we would all be identified as humans. Also, this would make a chance for wealth, and resources to be distributed amongst the world more evenly. That is a major factor in conflict as well. Think about it. The excess food one area might have would goto a less fortunate area...Things are great!

3)Rid the world of obsolete political systems, like the US 2 party system or monarchies. With the World Government, the people would elect governors from respected regions. Each region would be equally divided. Meaning, rich and poor together. Well each governor would bring forth resolutions to their people that would vote on it, and based on the vote that would be the governors vote in the World Congress.

Thats basically my ideas in a quick nutshell. I have more detailed reports on it typed up on my comp...but oh well

Ah im suprised no one has quoted me and been like "idiot" hehe

World peace will become possible when people can agree on a definition of peace as something other than "the absence of war". Running away from war leads nowhere. When peace becomes a goal rather than an avoidance, then there can be peace.

World peace will become possible when people can agree on a definition of peace as something other than "the absence of war". Running away from war leads nowhere. When peace becomes a goal rather than an avoidance, then there can be peace.

Yes, I agree with this completely. Peace is more than just the absence of war.