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who started world war two?

You just can´t get enough, heh? And there is no historically correct poll option...so no vote:(

You left out the Yanks.

You just can´t get enough, heh? And there is no historically correct poll option...so no vote:(

what's the correct option?

i'm kind of regretting putting the fence in the first one....

You left out the Yanks.

i didn't want the results swamped by people thinking WWII started with pearl harbour.

Erm... Poland? By letting themselves get invaded? :confused:

Well it's two seperate starters actually.

Germany started in Europe with the attack on Poland (albeit that it was the UK that declared war on Germany, not the other way around)

Japan started it with the attack on China much earlier, with Britain getting involved when the war in Europe started.

I'll say Germany, but with qualifications.

And here's a post that I wrote earlier today in another thread about the Polish Government in 1939.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9913939&postcount=22

Erm... Poland? By letting themselves get invaded? :confused:


you mean :"Since 5:45....!!" ?????

Seeing as you left out the Woodrow Wilson/US Congress/British realisation of the total cost of WWI so that Germany had to take the blame.

I said Poland.

Did you know Polish forces attacked Germany first?
Germany was only protecting itself.
*shifty eyes*

Erm... Poland? By letting themselves get invaded? :confused:

every multiple choice question has the crazy, obviously wrong answer...

...i'm hoping the person that picked poland did so in jest. i don't think the germans (and russians) even warned them first....

you mean :"Since 5:45....!!" ?????

Seeing as you left out the Woodrow Wilson/US Congress/British realisation of the total cost of WWI so that Germany had to take the blame.

I said Poland.

Did you know Polish forces attacked Germany first?
Germany was only protecting itself.
*shifty eyes*

Isn't it nice to see you two agreeing for once? :D :p

...i'm hoping the person that picked poland did so in jest. i don't think the germans (and russians) even warned them first....
Read my post - the attack on that radio station was manufactured, but the Polish government was more aggressive than you would think these days.

Seeing as you left out the Woodrow Wilson/US Congress/British realisation of the total cost of WWI so that Germany had to take the blame.

I said Poland.



gah....i'm not going to argue that the treaty of versailles [and subsequent british and french policy] had no factor in humiliating germany, but to say that it actually caused the war sounds about as absurd as saying the jews did.

i should have put the jews in.....:eek:

what's the correct option?

i'm kind of regretting putting the fence in the first one....

Look at an old thread "WWI=WWII" or something similar...have to leave, later more :p

gah....i'm not going to argue that the treaty of versailles [and subsequent british and french policy] had some factor in humiliating germany, but to say that it actually caused the war sounds about as absurd as saying the jews did.

i should have put the jews in.....:eek:
Wait are you trying to tell me now that it wasnt part of the International Jewish conspiracy?:eek:

They had already decided before Versailles that Germany would lose.
The Germans were happy with the Armistace-it is called that for a reason.

There is no doubting 3000+ Tanks against Germanys 17(or something) was the difference but Germany hadnt lost yet if the NZD had had another 4 weeks Germany would have been Kaput.

But after the initial meeting between the tow sides the allies changed their tune and wanted to have Germany cop the blame for it.

For this injustice germany deserved a free pass and WWII was that so Germany did not start WWII.

-snip-
I agree.

I agree.
Including this bit?...
Wait are you trying to tell me now that it wasnt part of the International Jewish conspiracy?

Including this bit?...
No. But that was your special joke, wasn't it?

No. But that was your special joke, wasn't it?
Yes.
There must always be a joke.

Did a Jew really Burn down the Reichstag?
*shifty eyes*
Dancing Hitler says yes.

http://www.tedgoas.com/linked/dancing_hitler.gif

who started world war two?I'd say Germany, since it wasn't really a World War when the Japanese were attacking China yet.

I blame France for everything... including mad cows disease, global warming and extensive destruction of the rainforests.

Whilst Germany may well have started hostilities in this instance, one has to acknowledge that the Allied Powers were the 'enablers' in this case.

They had already decided before Versailles that Germany would lose.
The Germans were happy with the Armistace-it is called that for a reason.

There is no doubting 3000+ Tanks against Germanys 17(or something) was the difference but Germany hadnt lost yet if the NZD had had another 4 weeks Germany would have been Kaput.

But after the initial meeting between the tow sides the allies changed their tune and wanted to have Germany cop the blame for it.

For this injustice germany deserved a free pass and WWII was that so Germany did not start WWII.

....so pick britain then.

my understanding is that britain was the architect of the humiliating terms, not wilson.

You left out the Yanks.

Now this is one thing you CANT pin on us :D

But I would say Japan, because they started their war for Asian dominance far before Germany invaded Poland, and they bombed Pearl Harbor, which bought America into the fighting.

....so pick britain then.

my understanding is that britain was the architect of the humiliating terms, not wilson.
That is true but it was plan that went askew.
Then he could nt get Congress to join the League of nations making it a farce.

That is true but it was plan that went askew.
Then he could nt get Congress to join the League of nations making it a farce.

that doesn't mean that wilson started world war two. in fact, that congress refused to ratify the agreement means the americans were the only country that recognized how absurd it was...

yes, i know that the reason that congress voted down the treaty was because they were worried about sovereignty issues.

that doesn't mean that wilson started world war two. in fact, that congress refused to ratify the agreement means the americans were the only country that recognized how absurd it was...
yes, i know that the reason that congress voted down the treaty was because they were worried about sovereignty issues.
Ah, Wilson didn't start WWII. It was the Europeans that didn't do good with the League of Nations, and refused to listen to him. He was crushed and depressed for the rest of his life, not to mention sick.

However, I don't think you'll get quite the turn-out you did as in "Who started WWI?"

Well it's two seperate starters actually.

Germany started in Europe with the attack on Poland (albeit that it was the UK that declared war on Germany, not the other way around)

Japan started it with the attack on China much earlier, with Britain getting involved when the war in Europe started.

I'll say Germany, but with qualifications.

And here's a post that I wrote earlier today in another thread about the Polish Government in 1939.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9913939&postcount=22

WWII started with Germany invading Poland. France, Britain & the Commonwealth declared war to preserve Poland's sovereignty. Japan's war in China didn't become part of WWII until Japan attacked Pearl Harbour in December 1941, two years after war was happening between the European states.

There is no qualification for Germany here.

Humans did. I doubt anyone can convince me that it was a bird that happened to stop a golf ball in flight that caused it.

Unless that person was Lunatic Goofballs that is. :)

You left out the Yanks.

Surprisingly, the Yanks are the least responsible for this one. Which makes a change. Indeed, if they hadn't suffered from that stock market crash, we might not even be having this conversation.

It was Jesus.

I said Japan...

I go all the way back to their initial conquest of Korea...which I believe was around 1910 (although I might be off by a few years)

Of course...that would turn WWII into WWI :p

Of course...that would turn WWII into WWI :p
There are historians who argued that the two WWs where a single one - interrupted by a period of peace, emergence of new actors and rivalries, and a switching of alliances (even several switches).

....so pick britain then.

my understanding is that britain was the architect of the humiliating terms, not wilson.

No France was responsible for the humiliating terms, demanding war reparations plus reclaiming territory that they lost to Germany in the Franco-Prussian war (that led the formation of Germany as one nation). Of course it could also be argued that if the Treaty of Versailles had been strictly enforced that World War 2 would only have been a minor conflict as at the time Germany first broke the treaty by re-militarising the Rhine land the army of France alone would have been enough to crush Germany.

I believe that a case could be made that the American public, who rejected Wilson's plea to accept and join the League of Nations, who should then be blamed for the conditions that lead up to WWII. It was America's refusal to accept it's position of leadership in world affairs, it's desire to remain aloof from world events, that contributed to the conditions prior to WWII. The depression of the 30's was just one of many events that have forced us to open our eyes to the fact that we live on one planet and cannot escape our world-wide responsibilities.

"Neither the force which the framers and guarantors of the Peace Treaties have mustered, nor the lofty ideals which originally animated the author of the Covenant of the League of Nations, have proved a sufficient bulwark against the forces of internal disruption with which a structure so laboriously contrived had been consistently assailed. Neither the provisions of the so-called Settlement which the victorious Powers have sought to impose, nor the machinery of an institution which America's illustrious and far-seeing President had conceived, have proved, either in conception or practice, adequate instruments to ensure the integrity of the Order they had striven to establish. "The ills from which the world now suffers," wrote 'Abdu'l-Bahá in January, 1920, "will multiply; the gloom which envelops it will deepen. The Balkans will remain discontented. Its restlessness will increase. The vanquished Powers will continue to agitate. They will resort to every measure that may rekindle the flame of war. Movements, newly-born and world-wide in their range, will exert their utmost effort for the advancement of their designs. The Movement of the Left will acquire great importance. Its influence will spread."

(Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 29)

I believe that a case could be made that the American public, who rejected Wilson's plea to accept and join the League of Nations, who should then be blamed for the conditions that lead up to WWII. It was America's refusal to accept it's position of leadership in world affairs, it's desire to remain aloof from world events, that contributed to the conditions prior to WWII. The depression of the 30's was just one of many events that have forced us to open our eyes to the fact that we live on one planet and cannot escape our world-wide responsibilities.

"Neither the force which the framers and guarantors of the Peace Treaties have mustered, nor the lofty ideals which originally animated the author of the Covenant of the League of Nations, have proved a sufficient bulwark against the forces of internal disruption with which a structure so laboriously contrived had been consistently assailed. Neither the provisions of the so-called Settlement which the victorious Powers have sought to impose, nor the machinery of an institution which America's illustrious and far-seeing President had conceived, have proved, either in conception or practice, adequate instruments to ensure the integrity of the Order they had striven to establish. "The ills from which the world now suffers," wrote 'Abdu'l-Bahá in January, 1920, "will multiply; the gloom which envelops it will deepen. The Balkans will remain discontented. Its restlessness will increase. The vanquished Powers will continue to agitate. They will resort to every measure that may rekindle the flame of war. Movements, newly-born and world-wide in their range, will exert their utmost effort for the advancement of their designs. The Movement of the Left will acquire great importance. Its influence will spread."

(Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 29)

Or you could just make peace with the fact that WWII is one war America had no hand in starting.

Somehow, I doubt the LoN would have done anything even if the U.S. had decided to join.

Nazi Germany! Why can't anyone get that right!

Nazi Germany! Why can't anyone get that right!
Most people (73% in this moment) got it right. But maybe the opponents are more vocal.

Or you could just make peace with the fact that WWII is one war America had no hand in starting.

It is true that the USA didn't start the WWII in any physical sense of the word. And is not truly responsible for the war starting. But, our insistence on staying disinterested in the growing threat of Facism makes the US complict and partially to blame. Don't blame Roosevelt though he did all he could to bring the country into the war.

I started WW2.

Who started it. The man who shot the archduke Ferdinand. Thats world war 1 isn't it? Yes, but World War one set the stage for the second.

-Brief thought, to disinterested to go into details.

The Jews! Just kidding, Zionist speaking.

It's patently obvious to anyone with at least half a brain that George W. Bush started WW2. Because w/o it there would have been no Cold War, therefore no "Evil Empire" with which to compare Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. Oh, and to get Iraqi oil.

It was just a big plan orchestrated by Venezuela. No reason, just for the kicks.

Nazi Germany! Why can't anyone get that right!
Who declared war on who?

I belive it was actually Great Britain and France that "started" it.


Germany invaded Poland, Britain and France declared war. So technically, we did it.


Nazi Germany did NOT declare war on anyone (until 1941), they just did things that required war being declared upon them.

I belive it was actually Great Britain and France that "started" it.


Germany invaded Poland, Britain and France declared war. So technically, we did it.


Nazi Germany did NOT declare war on anyone (until 1941), they just did things that required war being declared upon them.
Nazi Germany only issued one formal declaration of war - against the US. However, invading Czechoslovakia, Poland, the Low Countries, Russia without a declaration of war is still an act of war. I mean, after the German armies invaded the USSR, I don't think Stalin bothered to issue a DOW. It would have been pointless.

Surprisingly, the Yanks are the least responsible for this one. Which makes a change. Indeed, if they hadn't suffered from that stock market crash, we might not even be having this conversation.
Well seeing as 'they' caused it meh.

who started world war two?
...But I wanted to vote 'IKEA' :(

...But I wanted to vote 'IKEA' :(
IKEA?