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British-American Tobacco company has designed a cigarette that reduces the risk of cancer and heart disease for smokers by 90%! It still means that smokers will have a 10% greater risk than non-smokers, but it makes lighting up alot safer.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1859508,00.html

British-American Tobacco company has designed a cigarette that reduces the risk of cancer and heart disease for smokers by 90%! It still means that smokers will have a 10% greater risk than non-smokers, but it makes lighting up alot safer.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1859508,00.html
It's kinda moot for me, since I'll be quitting for good as soon as I can start back on a strenuous exercise program, so meh! :)

I should probably buy some shares of that company.

I just want booze that doesn't destroy my liver. :cool:

Sounds about as silly as the "lead free, reduced hazard" bullets that safety wags are trying to push now...

http://www.frangiblebullets.com/

Sweden, for instance, wants hunters to switch to lead free bullets.

In other news, TSI has been declared a flying spaghetti monster with noodly appendages.

I figure that in the future, all forms of cancer will be curable. And emphysema will be curable.

So the question at that point will be, what will we not be able to eat or drink (short of the things that off you right away).

In other news, TSI has been declared a flying spaghetti monster with noodly appendages.
"Most newscasters ask 'WTF, over?'" Film at eleven! :D

British-American Tobacco company has designed a cigarette that reduces the risk of cancer and heart disease for smokers by 90%! It still means that smokers will have a 10% greater risk than non-smokers, but it makes lighting up alot safer.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1859508,00.html
The likelihood is this breakthrough isn't going to go ANYWHERE, so it really doesn't matter. The anti-tobacco camp isn't going to look at this as "Cigarettes are gradually becoming safer", they're going to see it as "They're adding appeal to smoking by attempting to make it healthy". Much as I'd like to smoke a healthier cigarette (though I'm quitting, so maybe it won't do me any good), I don't see anything really materializing out of this.

"Most newscasters ask 'WTF, over?'" Film at eleven! :D

To clear up, the Tobacco companies putting out a safer cig is about as likely as me being declared a flying spaghetti monster with noodly appendages.

To clear up, the Tobacco companies putting out a safer cig is about as likely as me being declared a flying spaghetti monster with noodly appendages.

But if you are, I hope you would touch all of us with said noodly appendages. :D

But if you are, I hope you would touch all of us with said noodly appendages. :D
Nah, not me. I don't want to be touched by ANY of South Islands' appendages :eek:

To clear up, the Tobacco companies putting out a safer cig is about as likely as me being declared a flying spaghetti monster with noodly appendages.
Why? They're after profit. If their customers don't all die and people can't sue them and limit their business due to selling an unsafe product it means they'll make more profit.

Simonist']Nah, not me. I don't want to be touched by ANY of South Islands' appendages :eek:

As long as it's not the one with a ton of starch in it, it's okay. ;)

Is it the tobacco or the filter that makes it safer?

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Is it the tobacco or the filter that makes it safer?
It would be more the additives than the tobacco, anyway. And I don't know that there is any way to make the filter safer....it's just a bad idea all around.

The world should just switch to hookahs. I know I'm chillin' on shisha AS WE SPEAK. Er, um.....AS I TYPE.

Simonist']It would be more the additives than the tobacco, anyway. And I don't know that there is any way to make the filter safer....it's just a bad idea all around.

The world should just switch to hookahs. I know I'm chillin' on shisha AS WE SPEAK. Er, um.....AS I TYPE.
I've never smoked (tobacco) out of a hookah pipe. Is it supposed to be safer than cigarettes?

I've never smoked (tobacco) out of a hookah pipe. Is it supposed to be safer than cigarettes?

Yeah, the water filters out some of the nasty additives.

Betteridge said the company accepted there was “no such thing” as a truly safe cigarette and that the best way to minimise risk was to stop smoking.
Strange...I don't remember any cigarette companies putting that in their advertising...

Yeah, the water filters out some of the nasty additives.
What additives? The shisha I import and smoke is almost completely just the leaf, the flavour (which is natural), and molasses to keep it at the right consistency. In a large bowl of shisha there's something like .8 grams of nicotine, whereas there's MUCH MUCH more in just one cigarette. That, and a bowl lasts up to an hour, and multiple people can smoke off of it.

But to answer your question, Drunken Commies, yes, it's healthier. And it's tastier (I quite prefer the Apple Rose mix, it makes Pepsi taste double-awesome), and it's much more social an experience.

You're all missing the point. Smoking is a disgusting, selfish habit that should be banned in all public places. Take your reduced risk cigarettes and take them back to your stinking homes.

You're all missing the point. Smoking is a disgusting, selfish habit that should be banned in all public places. Take your reduced risk cigarettes and take them back to your stinking homes.
You pass a law that says I have to and I'll stop blowing smoke in your face.

Oh, wait, that's right.....I only smoke in publically permitted areas, and well away from non-smoking individuals, because it's simply the polite thing to do. When with a friend who doesn't appreciate smoking, I don't do so. Most importantly, and this one may blow your mind, my friend -- I don't smell like a smoker. My hair smells like my shampoo, my nails are healthy, my teeth are white, and my clothes smell like either my detergent or Sage and Citrus, depending on which dresser they were in.

That said, I guess I should also point out...if we were going to ban all "selfish" or "disgusting" habits in public places, then wouldn't it all be a matter of opinion? In my world, and this may differ from whatever fantasy you're living, OPINIONS AREN'T LAW.

Simonist']It would be more the additives than the tobacco, anyway. And I don't know that there is any way to make the filter safer....it's just a bad idea all around.

The world should just switch to hookahs. I know I'm chillin' on shisha AS WE SPEAK. Er, um.....AS I TYPE.

Excellent. I may switch the baccy I use for my joints.

Excellent. I may switch the baccy I use for my joints.
Yeah, a lot of the stuff I like can be found at Middle Eastern stores or hookah cafe's, and it's much better than most anything you can find at a tobaccanist's (sp?) place. I don't remember the brand I use (sorry, it'd be so much work to dig it out and I'm running late), but it's from Egypt and it's SO rich.

Anyway, it's been grand. I gotta get to work.

Or they could just buy Nicorette packages. All the Nicotine, none of the risks.

You're all missing the point. Smoking is a disgusting, selfish habit that should be banned in all public places. <sniptificated>
So is NS, but I don't see anyone complaining about that.

Simonist']You pass a law that says I have to and I'll stop blowing smoke in your face.

Oh, wait, that's right.....I only smoke in publically permitted areas, and well away from non-smoking individuals, because it's simply the polite thing to do. When with a friend who doesn't appreciate smoking, I don't do so. Most importantly, and this one may blow your mind, my friend -- I don't smell like a smoker. My hair smells like my shampoo, my nails are healthy, my teeth are white, and my clothes smell like either my detergent or Sage and Citrus, depending on which dresser they were in.

That said, I guess I should also point out...if we were going to ban all "selfish" or "disgusting" habits in public places, then wouldn't it all be a matter of opinion? In my world, and this may differ from whatever fantasy you're living, OPINIONS AREN'T LAW.

Spread Cancer as far as you like. I doubt you smell the smoke anymore. Keep on puffing.

Or they could just buy Nicorette packages. All the Nicotine, none of the risks.

Nicotine is a cancer-causing agent as well. Not to mention a lethal poison.

Nicotine is a cancer-causing agent as well. Not to mention a lethal poison.
Everything causes cancer. If you kept up with news reports, you would know that.

I'm going on 18 months without a cigarette (after smoking a pack a day steady for 22 years +)...


A year and half later, without any lapses at all, And I STILL get urges... s0n of 4 F&#king Wh0re MoN63r1g B17cH, ah damn it all anyway... just never start smoking. :headbang:

Nicotine is a cancer-causing agent as well. Not to mention a lethal poison.
Oxygen is a lethal poison too. Do you suggest that we stop breathing?


actually, that seems like a good idea for the majority of the world.

John Britton, professor of epidemiology at Nottingham University, said: “Anything involving inhaling smoke is unsafe. These new cigarettes could be more like jumping from the 15th floor instead of the 20th: theoretically the risk is less but you still die.”
I hate to break it to everyone, but you die no matter what. So not smoking is like jumping from the 12th floor. Less risk, but you STILL DIE.

and if you don't, then Ponce De Leon is jealous.

British-American Tobacco company has designed a cigarette that reduces the risk of cancer and heart disease for smokers by 90%! It still means that smokers will have a 10% greater risk than non-smokers, but it makes lighting up alot safer.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1859508,00.html

Since when is nicotine addiction considered safe and healthy? Note what one of the quoted people said: "John Britton, professor of epidemiology at Nottingham University, said: “Anything involving inhaling smoke is unsafe. These new cigarettes could be more like jumping from the 15th floor instead of the 20th: theoretically the risk is less but you still die.” " There is no such thing as a "healthy" or "safe" cigarette, nor, m'thinks, will there ever be.

Oxygen is a lethal poison too. Do you suggest that we stop breathing?

Life is the number one cause of death. And yes, some people should stop breathing, but I'm sure they will disagree.

Since when is nicotine addiction considered safe and healthy?There are some benefits to it. The problem isn't so much the nicotine, but all the extra compounds in the smoke you inhale.
Nicotine gum is a better option.

Life is the number one cause of death. And yes, some people should stop breathing, but I'm sure they will disagree.
but if they aren't breathing then they can't disagree...and we can find ways to "convince" them to stop breathing:
http://www.reodorant.com/view.asp?id=152

Oxygen is a lethal poison too. Do you suggest that we stop breathing?
Not to aerobes.

Not to aerobes.
Yes, even to aerobes. Free-radical oxygen in the bloodstream can be deadly in large enough quantities.

Olara']Yes, even to aerobes. Free-radical oxygen in the bloodstream can be deadly in large enough quantities.
Personally, I'd call that "corrosive", not "toxic".

Simonist']Nah, not me. I don't want to be touched by ANY of South Islands' appendages :eek:

South Island's Noodly appendages can touch me, but only if it can be printed in the comics page of american newspapers.

Wait...wrong thread...

...Uhm....Safer cigarettes would be cool. As a recovering smoker, they won't do anything for me, but if I were to relapse...

Or they could just buy Nicorette packages. All the Nicotine, none of the risks.
i tried the gum once. it made me wish for cancer

There are some benefits to it. The problem isn't so much the nicotine, but all the extra compounds in the smoke you inhale.
Nicotine gum is a better option.

So you're saying changing your body's biochemistry to become dependant on a substance known to harm people..is..good, in some way? My point was that you can put filters in cigs, but you're still inhaling smoke, which is bad, and you're still putting large amounts of nictotine into your body.

So you're saying changing your body's biochemistry to become dependant on a substance known to harm people..is..good, in some way? If it actually were "known to harm", then no. But nicotine actually has little harmfull effects afaik, and several benefits (such as decreasing chance of Alzheimers).
It's not the nicotine in smoke that causes cancer, it's aromatic compounds (which are generally carcinogenic, so no surprise there). And of course asphalting your longs with the tar-like compounds doesn't help either.

Nicotine easily beats caffeine and alcohol in usefulness. More beneficial and fewer side effects. If only it wasn't delivered in such a poisonous package.

My point was that you can put filters in cigs, but you're still inhaling smoke, which is badYeah, I quite agree with you there. Most animals quite instinctively know smoke is bad, and then some people go sniff it up for fun. Go figure.

Spread Cancer as far as you like. I doubt you smell the smoke anymore. Keep on puffing.
Thanks for the go-ahead. I'm astonished to see that my one wee little post turned your mind around so completely that you're suddenly telling me to go ahead and smoke. Thanks, buddy! Not that I was waiting for your green-lighting it, but while we're at it.... *lights up* yup, that makes the coffee house experience so much better.

Seriously, dude. Get a fucking clue....the people who really HONESTLY care about others smoking are going to do something about it to make a difference. The difference THEY will make is going to be along the lines of passing laws against it (which I promise will never happen in my area), not spouting off self-righteous blatherings in an internet forum where nobody really cares about your opinion if you're going to attack from the start. Are you seeing where I'm going with this, or do I have to keep dumbing it down....?