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A New Breed of warrior, a new type of dedication.

Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 16:53
COMMENTARY: For some time I worried that the younger generations coming after me weren't capable of dedication and comittment. After seeing these young soldiers in action, I no longer feel this way. They are awesome, and I don't care what you think about the war, or war in general, they have earned respect. Please remember them, as well as the other veterans of other conflicts, tomorrow on Veteran's Day. Please find it in your heart to say a prayer for them or meditate on their dedication.


Dedication is Visible Among New Soldiers (http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,80190,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl)


Christian Science Monitor | November 10, 2005
WASHINGTON - On a day when the warriors of America's past will talk of great sacrifices long remembered and old friends not forgotten, a new generation of Soldiers deployed to the far corners of the Middle East is beginning to pencil in the first lines of its own story.

It is already obvious that this is a force unlike any America has sent to war - older, more diverse, and all volunteers. But gradually, the ways in which these wars spawned by Sept. 11 are shaping these troops are also becoming apparent.

In the midst of a war with no clear endpoint, the ultimate judgment of this generation of fighters must wait for Veterans Days to come. But if World War II veterans were perceived to be the greatest generation and Vietnam's conscripts a lost generation, then those who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today could be called the dedicated generation - convinced of America's cause and determined to shepherd it through days of dust and destruction.

It is perhaps most apparent in reenlistment rates, which continue to exceed the Pentagon's goals more than four years into the war on terror. Yet more deeply, military sociologists suggest that this war is having a profound and unique effect on many men and women, putting them face to face with the struggle for freedom and giving them a greater sense of purpose.

That war should be a life-changing experience is hardly a surprising thought. But in his interviews with troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, Morten Ender of the United States Military Academy notes that three-quarters of them describe their deployment as a "turning point" - a number that strikes him as high.

"In World War II, Soldiers knew what they had to do, and they wanted to do it and come home to get on with life," he says. "In Vietnam, [the war] became a turning point, because there was a sense [among the conscripted Soldiers] that they had no control."

Since the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are all volunteers, the war was very much part of a conscious career choice, and the intensity of the experience is focusing their lives. For some, it is a desire to get out and move on to anything else. Yet the reenlistment rates also suggest that many are finding a deeper love for service and a connection to something greater than themselves.

"It really did open my eyes," says Spc. Ryan Snyder, a military policeman, of his year in Iraq. "I realized how lucky we are as American citizens."

He is one of that class of recruits who signed up after Sept. 11, and he has already reenlisted. In fact, his division - the 1st Cavalry - made 125 percent of its reenlistment goals after returning from the Middle East.

In many ways, a portrait of the Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan is a portrait of how the all- volunteer force has changed the military. Demographically, this force has opened the military to more women and, more recently, it has seen a drop in the overrepresentation of blacks. But significantly, it has also created a professional force capable of greater sophistication - partly because everyone wants to be there.

"None of us entered this machine without knowing in our heart of hearts that we may have to go to war," writes Capt. Christopher Connors in an e-mail from Afghanistan. "That is why it is the Army, not the Boy Scouts."

The result is a military that - despite incidents like Abu Ghraib - is more disciplined than those of the past, say analysts. Since the beginning of the war on terror, there have been only two cases of "fragging" - killing an officer - compared with hundreds during Vietnam, says Dr. Ender.

Moreover, Soldiers have been able to reprogram their skills to the task required, whether it's fighting insurgents or collecting trash.

"The American Soldier of today is more adaptable than the American Soldier of the past, in part because America is requiring them to be so," says David Segal, a sociologist at the University of Maryland in College Park.

The American Soldier of today is also older and more likely to have a spouse and children than those who fought in the past, particularly in Vietnam. Never before has the military relied so heavily on the National Guard and Reserves, which comprise many older Soldiers who join after leaving active duty.

"This military is more deeply embedded in the communities from which it is coming than the one in Vietnam," says Dr. Segal. "More family members are left behind. Employers are losing their workers; communities are losing their soccer coaches."

Yet the trend has shaped the Army as much as it has the communities left behind. Captain Connors saw it firsthand during a stint in Iraq, where the father of two was supporting a National Guard unit.

"The Iraqi people around the Forward Operation Base used to say that these 'Soldiers are different than the other ones,' " he writes. "Many [members of the Guard unit] had jobs where they had constant contact with a civilian population, allowing them to learn techniques that did not involve direct confrontation."

To Master Sgt. Lanie Ray Vickers, a reservist, experience also brings a different perspective. Sergeant Vickers served one tour in Vietnam as a draftee and is now in Iraq as a member of the 490th Civil Affairs Battalion. To him, the distinction between the draftees of Vietnam who simply wanted to finish their tour and the Soldiers of this generation could not be greater.

"I've talked to many of these kids on their second tour, and they talk about, 'When I reenlist ...' " says Vickers by phone. "When you see that kind of dedication - when they know what's out there - it makes an old Soldier like me proud to be an American."
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2005, 17:00
COMMENTARY: For some time I worried that the younger generations coming after me weren't capable of dedication and comittment. After seeing these young soldiers in action, I no longer feel this way. They are awesome, and I don't care what you think about the war, or war in general, they have earned respect. Please remember them, as well as the other veterans of other conflicts, tomorrow on Veteran's Day. Please find it in your heart to say a prayer for them or meditate on their dedication.


Frankly, I was a little worried that todays generations would blindly follow what they were being told, without question. Citizens question whether their leaders are doing the right thing for the right reasons because they care how their country is being run and therefore I feel it is stronger, and I think that it is owed to soldiers of any military in the world that they are not sent into harms way needlessly.

If you know all the facts and still decide to join the military, then thats fine. Its a job and a career. But I think coming up to Armistice Day, more emphasis should be placed on wondering whether the 'Never Again' tag should be remembered rather then the gung ho attitude of a lot of people today.

(Not talking to or at you Eut. Just my perceptions of militaries around the world ;) ) Ramble over.
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 17:09
Frankly, I was a little worried that todays generations would blindly follow what they were being told, without question. Citizens question whether their leaders are doing the right thing for the right reasons because they care how their country is being run and therefore I feel it is stronger, and I think that it is owed to soldiers of any military in the world that they are not sent into harms way needlessly.

If you know all the facts and still decide to join the military, then thats fine. Its a job and a career. But I think coming up to Armistice Day, more emphasis should be placed on wondering whether the 'Never Again' tag should be remembered rather then the gung ho attitude of a lot of people today.

(Not talking to or at you Eut. Just my perceptions of militaries around the world ;) ) Ramble over.
Somewhere in the middle of the tension between those of us who fight the battles and those of us who would love to see an end to battles altogether, lies the truth.
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2005, 17:15
Somewhere in the middle of the tension between those of us who fight the battles and those of us who would love to see an end to battles altogether, lies the truth.
:) Agreed.

The history of my family is steeped in the military back several generations. Done some good things, some down right stupid things and stuff my father says he'll never mention.

I guess I'm tired of hearing the taglines- Mother of all Wars, War to end all Wars, Never Again and 'Great' Wars. Mans stupidity is overpowering.

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein
Deep Kimchi
10-11-2005, 17:17
War is the natural condition of mankind. Not a nice condition, but it's the engine that has driven history and civilization. It is the source of most of human invention (and the most cunning inventions).

If you consider that Clausewitz said that war is a continuation of politics by other means, he only got it half right - because politics are a continuation of economics by other means.
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2005, 17:19
War is the natural condition of mankind. Not a nice condition, but it's the engine that has driven history and civilization. It is the source of most of human invention (and the most cunning inventions).

Hobbes lover :p Sadly you're right about the inventions. Shame we only invent ways to kill each other more efficently and effectively. :(

*Looks around* Damn, when did I turn into such a damn hippie.....
Deep Kimchi
10-11-2005, 17:22
Hobbes lover :p Sadly you're right about the inventions. Shame we only invent ways to kill each other more efficently and effectively. :(

*Looks around* Damn, when did I turn into such a damn hippie.....

Didn't say I loved it, or Hobbes. Can't say it's right, but that's the way the cookie crumbles...
Cluichium
10-11-2005, 17:22
*Looks around* Damn, when did I turn into such a damn hippie.....

Get a job and a haircut. ;)
Cluichium
10-11-2005, 17:23
Didn't say I loved it, or Hobbes. Can't say it's right, but that's the way the cookie crumbles...

No, but your statement that prompted the comment was definitely Hobbesian.
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2005, 17:31
Didn't say I loved it, or Hobbes. Can't say it's right, but that's the way the cookie crumbles...
There's nothing wrong with liking Hobbes at all. He's a very important theorist.

I swing wildly from Hobbes to Rousseau depending on my blood sugar level :p
Virginian Tulane
10-11-2005, 17:33
Thank you Eutrusca for posting a great article about the US Armed Forces for Veteran's Day (not Armistice Day...not since the 50s). It is a refreshing change for those of us who are consistantly bombarded with anti-military propaganda about how bad we are and how we're all baby killers.

As a future officer in the US Army (currently transferring from the Marine Corps), I long ago decided that I'm serving my country in the best possible way. I've lived overseas, seen things that I don't want to see happen here in the States (not that they don't happen here unfortunately), and thought long and hard about how much the US has given me. Despite what Hollywood might have you think: we are not all nutjobs or asshats, we don't want to have to leave behind families or jobs, but when our Nation asks, we are ready to answer the call.

God Bless the United States of America, and HOOOORAH to the 230th birthday of the United States Marine Corps!
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 17:34
War is the natural condition of mankind. Not a nice condition, but it's the engine that has driven history and civilization. It is the source of most of human invention (and the most cunning inventions).

If you consider that Clausewitz said that war is a continuation of politics by other means, he only got it half right - because politics are a continuation of economics by other means.
I'm currently reading Imperial Grunts: The American Military on the Ground, by Robert Kaplan. It's an excellent book and very well-written. The author makes a really good argument that most "empires," including the current, non-territorial American "empire," come into existence largely by default.
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 17:36
Thank you Eutrusca for posting a great article about the US Armed Forces for Veteran's Day (not Armistice Day...not since the 50s). It is a refreshing change for those of us who are consistantly bombarded with anti-military propaganda about how bad we are and how we're all baby killers.

As a future officer in the US Army (currently transferring from the Marine Corps), I long ago decided that I'm serving my country in the best possible way. I've lived overseas, seen things that I don't want to see happen here in the States (not that they don't happen here unfortunately), and thought long and hard about how much the US has given me. Despite what Hollywood might have you think: we are not all nutjobs or asshats, we don't want to have to leave behind families or jobs, but when our Nation asks, we are ready to answer the call.

God Bless the United States of America, and HOOOORAH to the 230th birthday of the United States Marine Corps!

Semper Fi, dude! :)
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 17:37
There's nothing wrong with liking Hobbes at all. He's a very important theorist.

I swing wildly from Hobbes to Rousseau depending on my blood sugar level :p
ROFL! That's a pretty long "swing," my friend! be careful! :D
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2005, 17:38
Thank you Eutrusca for posting a great article about the US Armed Forces for Veteran's Day (not Armistice Day...not since the 50s).

I'm not American. We still call it Armistice Day over here.;)

Or as I call it, 'My Birthday!' :p
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 17:41
I'm not American. We still call it Armistice Day over here.;)

Or as I call it, 'My Birthday!' :p
Tomorrow is your birthday??? :eek:
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2005, 17:45
Tomorrow is your birthday??? :eek:

Well...... yeah......

But it at least fooled a hella lot of kids back in school when I kept saying to them Armistice Day. Went away scratching their heads going 'What in the hell is Armistice Day...'

I try to educate at the same time as running for my life... :D
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 17:50
Well...... yeah......

But it at least fooled a hella lot of kids back in school when I kept saying to them Armistice Day. Went away scratching their heads going 'What in the hell is Armistice Day...'

I try to educate at the same time as running for my life... :D
LOL! Kewl.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

[ party horns, confetti, cake and cheers! ] :D
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2005, 17:51
LOL! Kewl.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

[ party horns, confetti, cake and cheers! ] :D

Ah.. shucks.... shurrup...
*blushes*
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 17:57
Ah.. shucks.... shurrup...
*blushes*
hehehe! Noooo! [ cheers again! ] :D
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 18:36
To all my brothers and sisters, past, present and future. You will always have a major portion of my heart.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9813/veteransday4cf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 19:15
Bump, damnit!
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2005, 21:25
Don't worry about the bumps Eut, its not even the 11th for most part of the world yet :p
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 21:27
Don't worry about the bumps Eut, its not even the 11th for most part of the world yet :p
Heh! Sorry about that. I suppose I'm use to being forgotten and wanted to head it off a bit. ;)
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2005, 21:29
Heh! Sorry about that. I suppose I'm use to being forgotten and wanted to head it off a bit. ;)
Aw... how could anyone possibly forget you ?:D :D
Eutrusca
10-11-2005, 21:30
Aw... how could anyone possibly forget you ?:D :D
Heh! Um ... :confused: