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Just a simple question. I'm not saying the mods are doing a bad job. I'm sure it's hard, and utterly annoying trying to keep us all in line.

My question is this. Why does everyone go crying to the mod section whenever a thread hurts their feelings, or offends them? YES, I'm aware that trolling and flaming are against the rules. But why do you feel the need to go cry about it, and get the thread locked? Why can't you just go to another thread and go on with your business? If the Mods find something they don't like, they can do whatever they deem neccesary.

I just think it shows poor character to go crying to the mods whenever you are offended. I get offended 10 times a day on this forum, but I have NEVER reported anything to the Mods. NEVER.

So why do you do it? (you know who you are) Does it make you feel tough? Or do you REALLY think you are helping?


BTW, I suppose I can see a FEW reasons, like if someone is making fun of your dead mother, or something like that. But if you go on over to the mod threads, you'll see some pretty lame whining.

ah, where are the good old days of "MOD ALERT" :(

Thank you so much, I was going to post this myself, but you got there first:)

It is bloody irrational, and frankly, why enter a forum to converse with moderate fellows who share your sentiments?

I don't know, maybe I will go link to this in the mod forum and make loose accusations of trolling.

Yeah, it is really annoying. I was going to post this a week or so ag, but figured someone would cry about it. Seriously, in real life you probably wouldn't tell on someone for calling you a name or something, so why on the internet?

I don't know, maybe I will go link to this in the mod forum and make loose accusations of trolling.
Funny. :rolleyes: :D

Just a simple question. I'm not saying the mods are doing a bad job. I'm sure it's hard, and utterly annoying trying to keep us all in line.

My question is this. Why does everyone go crying to the mod section whenever a thread hurts their feelings, or offends them? YES, I'm aware that trolling and flaming are against the rules. But why do you feel the need to go cry about it, and get the thread locked? Why can't you just go to another thread and go on with your business? If the Mods find something they don't like, they can do whatever they deem neccesary.

I just think it shows poor character to go crying to the mods whenever you are offended. I get offended 10 times a day on this forum, but I have NEVER reported anything to the Mods. NEVER.

So why do you do it? (you know who you are) Does it make you feel tough? Or do you REALLY think you are helping?


BTW, I suppose I can see a FEW reasons, like if someone is making fun of your dead mother, or something like that. But if you go on over to the mod threads, you'll see some pretty lame whining.


It's a lack of tesosterone.if people had more tesosterone they'd get angry and flame back,starting huge flame wars,which we could all laugh at.

I reckon generally that you can post whatever you want - graphic material doesn't bother me either (although a warning should be added, just in case there's kiddies about).

It's the way in which it is presented though - there are different ways to say the same thing, and deliberately using a phrase that will anger people (and even if you didn't mean it that way and just wanted to be funny) is unnecessary.

There is a near zero chance that a meaningful debate or something like that could arise from people being angry from the first post onwards.

That being said, I usually don't go snitching, I just did it once and that wasn't to get a thread locked, just to call someone back who'd gone a little overboard with the insults.

Just a simple question. I'm not saying the mods are doing a bad job. I'm sure it's hard, and utterly annoying trying to keep us all in line.

My question is this. Why does everyone go crying to the mod section whenever a thread hurts their feelings, or offends them? YES, I'm aware that trolling and flaming are against the rules. But why do you feel the need to go cry about it, and get the thread locked? Why can't you just go to another thread and go on with your business? If the Mods find something they don't like, they can do whatever they deem neccesary.

I just think it shows poor character to go crying to the mods whenever you are offended. I get offended 10 times a day on this forum, but I have NEVER reported anything to the Mods. NEVER.

So why do you do it? (you know who you are) Does it make you feel tough? Or do you REALLY think you are helping?


BTW, I suppose I can see a FEW reasons, like if someone is making fun of your dead mother, or something like that. But if you go on over to the mod threads, you'll see some pretty lame whining.

OMGWTF you troll!!!

MOD ALERT!

I can count on one hand in almost three years how often I have ever went to the mod forum to complain. Now for 1 1/2 of those years I was a mod, but still! hehe, I do agree that people should grow thicker skins. I might say something in the thread like "you're trolling" but I don't actually go and report it. It's a very rare thing indeed.

I went and did some searchs of a few of the more "blatant" snitches on General, to see ALL threads started.

One person, inparticular, whom I won't mention, because they will invariably snitch about it, has WELL OVER half of all threads that they've started in Mod, reporting people for offending them. It's just freakin sad!

I can count on one hand in almost three years how often I have ever went to the mod forum to complain. Now for 1 1/2 of those years I was a mod, but still! hehe, I do agree that people should grow thicker skins. I might say something in the thread like "you're trolling" but I don't actually go and report it. It's a very rare thing indeed.

I think i've only done that once, ever. When someone posted outwar links in general.

I can count on one hand in almost three years how often I have ever went to the mod forum to complain. Now for 1 1/2 of those years I was a mod, but still! hehe, I do agree that people should grow thicker skins. I might say something in the thread like "you're trolling" but I don't actually go and report it. It's a very rare thing indeed.
I agree. And also, when I first started posting, I hated the mods. But I will say that Ive gained alot of respect for you guys! It takes a lot of restraint, Im sure! (although a few aren't very good with the "restraint" I'll let you fgure out who yourself!)

But anyways, just wanted to say that I like the mods ALOT more than I did when I didn't realize the job they do.

I went and did some searchs of a few of the more "blatant" snitches on General, to see ALL threads started.

One person, inparticular, whom I won't mention, because they will invariably snitch about it, has WELL OVER half of all threads that they've started in Mod, reporting people for offending them. It's just freakin sad!

Do tell in code, I weant to rip their head off

cough*Lyric*cough

:p

Do tell in code, I weant to rip their head off

cough*Lyric*cough

:p
Nope, I emailed you at your gerbil hotmail address who it was! ;)

Nope, I emailed you at your gerbil hotmail address who it was! ;)

Nice, I'll be checking that then:)

This is a good question, and one I've continued to wonder about. I've never seen a forum like 'Moderation' on any other forum, and frankly I'm pretty sure there's a reason for it. The closest I've seen is an 'Ask the Admin' section, but that is more for quizzing administrators about general forum business and decisions they have already made, rather than demanding they do things. Most forums, including this one, have a 'Report Bad Post' button, which is what you're supposed to use if you feel that a post is inappropriate or against the rules. If nothing else, it prevents issues arising from having a public 'so-and-so is breaking the rules' section, where 'so-and-so' himself can go and see exactly who's telling tales on him.

I can see the point of the moderation forum for other things, however. For instance, asking if something is against the rules. Discussing existing rules, why they exist, and whether they could be changed/improved/removed somehow. And in a forum with extensive roleplays such as this, moderator intervention is often required for things that aren't necessarily against the rules, but are beyond the abilities of normal members (thread locks to end a failed RP, for instance, removal of people who are deliberately interrupting RPs). But telling tales should, in my humble opinion, be reserved for anonymous means. I often fail to see the difference between publicly naming and shaming people, and trolling.

It isn't just people who find things offensive though. It's all sorts. For instance, quite some time ago now I used to have a fairly large signature, with some stuff to do with RPs that I can't even remember now. Somebody went in there and told the moderators about it as though there was no chance I would ever see it, as though I was a child who needed spanking or something. If it was so bothersome to him, why didn't he simply ask me to change it? I didn't know it was breaking the rules, as I had never been told that there was such a rule, and as an adult I would have understood and changed it if this person had told me so. If it was bothering him a lot, I would have quite happily changed it. Do I seem like such an irrational, hostile and unapproachable person that getting a 'grown up' to discipline me, rather than simply asking me politely, was necessary? When I asked him this in the very same thread I was ignored, of course, only adding further insult to injury. I have no respect for him anymore, despite what everyone else thinks of him.

I do believe that for the most part, a lot of people are angling for 'modship'. I see similar 'brown-nosing' (for lack of a better term) on other forums I frequent. For some reason, becoming a moderator is desirable, and trying to appear as helpful and rule-abiding as possible is as good a way to become noticed as any other. I'm not sure why people want to become moderators, as in my own personal experience it only makes the forum experience worse, but it's common never-the-less.

As I said at the beginning of this unpredictably long post, I personally prefer the anonymous report function. Leave a comment, nobody sees, nobody gets offended/irritated, you don't appear to be whining, you retain your dignity. It's just as helpful (more helpful) to the moderators. Again, in my experience I don't see how the moderators can even put up with it -- when reading that forum I believe I would feel quite harassed if I were them. The reporting function doesn't have the same feeling, it's far more efficient and doesn't seem quite so much as nagging.

I went and did some searchs of a few of the more "blatant" snitches on General, to see ALL threads started.

One person, inparticular, whom I won't mention, because they will invariably snitch about it, has WELL OVER half of all threads that they've started in Mod, reporting people for offending them. It's just freakin sad!

You also have to keep in mind that a lot of players think that by reporting people on a daily basis that it will increase their chances of becoming a mod themselves. Now personally having been a mod, I don't understand why anyone would want to be one..lol It's a lot of work and it truly is a thankless job. So, I too respect the mods, because I use to be one and quit, I know the bullshit they put up with.

You also have to keep in mind that a lot of players think that by reporting people on a daily basis that it will increase their chances of becoming a mod themselves. Now personally having been a mod, I don't understand why anyone would want to be one..lol It's a lot of work and it truly is a thankless job. So, I too respect the mods, because I use to be one and quit, I know the bullshit they put up with.

How do you become one?

How do you become one?

You have to decide which forum you wish to moderate, and then challenge the existing moderator of said forum to a fight to the death. If you win, you become a moderator. If not, well, you just don't.

Or at least, that's how it works where I've been...

You also have to keep in mind that a lot of players think that by reporting people on a daily basis that it will increase their chances of becoming a mod themselves. Now personally having been a mod, I don't understand why anyone would want to be one..lol It's a lot of work and it truly is a thankless job. So, I too respect the mods, because I use to be one and quit, I know the bullshit they put up with.
I'll tell you one thing. If the person I'm referring to ever becomes a Mod, I'll quit this forum, and I will never return. I will smash my tower if thats what I need to do! :eek:

How do you become one?
Here ya go! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=438230)

You have to decide which forum you wish to moderate, and then challenge the existing moderator of said forum to a fight to the death. If you win, you become a moderator. If not, well, you just don't.

Or at least, that's how it works where I've been...

And would you have a fight with Melkor?:eek:

The only time that i ever went to moderation is when someone said "I hope you go die" or "i hope you go shoot yourself".

Other than that my visits to moderation include "Can you lock my thread. The timeline for that is over." or something to that effect.

The only time that i ever went to moderation is when someone said "I hope you go die" or "i hope you go shoot yourself".

Other than that my visits to moderation include "Can you lock my thread. The timeline for that is over." or something to that effect.
I can understand why that would bother you, but seriously, why let it get to you to the point that you have to go tattle to the mods?

If someone is dumb enough to say stuff like that, just be the bigger person and ignore them. If their posts keep getting locked, no one will know what a douchebad they are!

And would you have a fight with Melkor?:eek:

I would never even dream of becoming a moderator for a forum as large and, frankly, dangerous as this one, so it's a moot point :p. I don't have to expose my cowardice in pub... oh wait... damn...

How do you become one?

I had never even been to the moderation forum. At the time I was pretty active in the UN forum and it was the only forum I went into.

Then one day I was sent a telegram asking me if I wanted to be a mod. I accepted and began as a forum mod and then a few months later was made a Game mod, which I was for most of my time as a mod. That is when I discovered the big bad world of General..lol Anyway, I quit about a year ago, I just got fed up. High stress job for something you're doing for free.

I had never even been to the moderation forum. At the time I was pretty active in the UN forum and it was the only forum I went into.

Then one day I was sent a telegram asking me if I wanted to be a mod. I accepted and began as a forum mod and then a few months later was made a Game mod, which I was for most of my time as a mod. That is when I discovered the big bad world of General..lol Anyway, I quit about a year ago, I just got fed up. High stress job for something you're doing for free.
I like to pop into the Mod forum, just to see how intolerant of other peoples thoughts some posters can be. :D

I also think it's funny that none of the snitches have popped in to say hello, or yell at me yet! :D

I also think it's funny that none of the snitches have popped in to say hello, or yell at me yet! :D

I'm surprised nobody's snitched on you yet :p.

I haven't seen any snitching meself... nor can I see why someone would want to snitch - or feel the need to. The main reason I like General is because of the intelligent(mostly)debates!...If you get offended easily.. as soon as you come and see the normal threads on general " when will france surrender..again? " "pro-life: whats your logic? " You should turn-thin skinned-tail and leave us to our debates... :rolleyes:
:mp5:
[btw .. I haven't been here long.. bout 70 posts on Xiphosia before I got banned(hence sig) but I can still say I havent even thought of tattling ]

How do you become one?
Christ, why would you want to be one? It's like having another job that you don't get paid for. It won't make you any friends, and it's got to be boring as hell.

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Personally, I would be very surprised if somebody was to show that I had ever even looked in the mod forum. I'm a big girl, I can look after myself without going after the mods...

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I hope Jocabia sees this pic :D :D ;) :D

I'm a big girl, I can look after myself without going after the mods...
THANK YOU! Thats my whole agrument, rolled into one perfect sentence!
Nobody wants people who are whiny and easily offended to ruin all our fun!

Interesting, the ones complaining about Mod acction or the Mod forum are the ones who get yelled at BY the Mods due to a forum post. Hmm... I wonder if the two are related at all?

Naw... couldn't be.

I DO remember one Mod (I think it was Euro, but I could be wrong) posting one time that the reason the Mod forum is run the way it is, is due to the incredable amount of postings on NationStates. With the game merged with a very active and heated forum, it's next to impossible for them to actually monitor each and every post to make sure everyone's following the rules. Moderation became a place to alert the Mods.

As for thin skins, I find that Moderation is actually the only well balanced forum of NationStates, BOTH sides complain equally and are usually shot down, equally.

So, you people are just basically trolling for people who report things in the mod forum? How unclever.

Anyhow, I report stuff there, but I usually do not report things that have been done to me. If I see someone else being abused, I report it, but if I am abused, I tend to take it. I also report pics that are against the rules, sigs that are too big, annoying formatting, general "bad idea" threads, racist/homophobic/slanderous &c remarks, referral links and so on. I do it, because I believe that the upholding of the rules we have here make this a better place.

If you think I do it to become a mod, then think again. I've never wanted to be a mod, and I have myself been censured by the mods on occasion, which, if anything, should disqualify me. If you don't believe me, then:

I want to become a mod.

There. An expressed wish to become a mod is the fastest way to disqualify yourself from becoming one. This should be sufficient.

Why does everyone go crying to the mod section whenever a thread hurts their feelings, or offends them?
I never reported anyone to the Mods either, right up until they banned me that last time for trying to defend myself. After that, I don't flame back ... I just report whomever is doing the trolling or flamebaiting or whatever.

There honestly seems to be a double standard on here that allows those attacking the US considerably more leeway than those going on the counter-attack. Most of my adult life has been spent in service to my Country one way or the other. I have no desire to be deated, yet I will not sit idly by while some ignorant sack of horse droppings who can't find his logical "ass" with both mental "hands" defames my Country. Apparently the only way I can "fight back" is to report those who love to drag her name through the mud.

I don't much like it, but I'm left with no other choice. :headbang:

Make sense?

So, you people are just basically trolling for people who report things in the mod forum? How unclever.

Anyhow, I report stuff there, but I usually do not report things that have been done to me. If I see someone else being abused, I report it, but if I am abused, I tend to take it. I also report pics that are against the rules, sigs that are too big, annoying formatting, general "bad idea" threads, racist/homophobic/slanderous &c remarks, referral links and so on. I do it, because I believe that the upholding of the rules we have here make this a better place.

If you think I do it to become a mod, then think again. I've never wanted to be a mod, and I have myself been censured by the mods on occasion, which, if anything, should disqualify me. If you don't believe me, then:

I want to become a mod.

There. An expressed wish to become a mod is the fastest way to disqualify yourself from becoming one. This should be sufficient.
What a coincidence. I was just thinking of you! :D

What a coincidence. I was just thinking of you! :D

It's not coincidence if it's on purpose.

It's not coincidence if it's on purpose.
True, but it IS a coincidence if it's coincidental!

True, but it IS a coincidence if it's coincidental!

Which is what I doubt, but, sure.

So Fass, you seriously think that we all need you to police our threads, and report anything you deem necessary to the mods? You actually expect that we want you to play daddy for us?

So Fass, you seriously think that we all need you to police our threads, and report anything you deem necessary to the mods? You actually expect that we want you to play daddy for us?

No. Are you truly under the impression that I care about what you want or need?

And the mods are the only ones in position to police anything here.

I never reported anyone to the Mods either, right up until they banned me that last time for trying to defend myself. After that, I don't flame back ... I just report whomever is doing the trolling or flamebaiting or whatever.

There honestly seems to be a double standard on here that allows those attacking the US considerably more leeway than those going on the counter-attack. Most of my adult life has been spent in service to my Country one way or the other. I have no desire to be deated, yet I will not sit idly by while some ignorant sack of horse droppings who can't find his logical "ass" with both mental "hands" defames my Country. Apparently the only way I can "fight back" is to report those who love to drag her name through the mud.

I don't much like it, but I'm left with no other choice. :headbang:

Make sense?

Perfect sense. I notice this alot but tend to just let the people who do it pat themselfs on the backs( let them be the smaller man).

I never reported anyone to the Mods either, right up until they banned me that last time for trying to defend myself. After that, I don't flame back ... I just report whomever is doing the trolling or flamebaiting or whatever.

There honestly seems to be a double standard on here that allows those attacking the US considerably more leeway than those going on the counter-attack. Most of my adult life has been spent in service to my Country one way or the other. I have no desire to be deated, yet I will not sit idly by while some ignorant sack of horse droppings who can't find his logical "ass" with both mental "hands" defames my Country. Apparently the only way I can "fight back" is to report those who love to drag her name through the mud.

I don't much like it, but I'm left with no other choice. :headbang:

Make sense?It certainly makes sense, but I don't think its the best option. The best option, IMO, is to just ignore the idiots, and allow their stupid drivel to stay, showing everyone how biased and moronic they are.

We are Americans Eut, we don't let shit get to us. SUCK IT UP, SOLDIER, your a bigger person than them, and you know it! ;)

I guess I don't get the point of prohibitions on trolling, flaming, or redundant threads. I can't think of a good reason to prohibit any of those things on a 'moderated' discussion group. I'm using the scare quotes because this isn't really moderated in the sense that other discussion groups are moderated and infractions are dealt with privately. This group is policed, where violaters are punished publicly.

Anyway, back to the prohibitions. What is the point?

Sticks and stone can break my bones, but words can never hurt me. Didn't any of you say that where you were little?

What annoys me is not only that people report it, but that moderators actually act on it. Invariably. If someone takes offense at anything, unless it's something absolutely ridiculous, the mods will go ban/lock/smash/delete whoever did it.

The only reason I went to moderation was because there was an obvious flame, but mostly spam. Which is ironic coming from me.

What annoys me is not only that people report it, but that moderators actually act on it. Invariably. If someone takes offense at anything, unless it's something absolutely ridiculous, the mods will go ban/lock/smash/delete whoever did it.

Because in most cases the things that are reported deserve to be reported, hmm?

What annoys me is not only that people report it, but that moderators actually act on it. Invariably. If someone takes offense at anything, unless it's something absolutely ridiculous, the mods will go ban/lock/smash/delete whoever did it.
But isn't it an important cornerstone of liberalism, or at least modern thought, that no one is offended, ever?

Because in most cases the things that are reported deserve to be reported, hmm?
Where does anyone come to harm in an internet forum?

Because in most cases the things that are reported deserve to be reported, hmm?
Not in every case, no.

Where does anyone come to harm in an internet forum?

Since when is that a prerequisite for Max/Jolt to have rules enforced on his/their property?

I only ever went to the Mods once, and that was over a flamewar on a pregnancy thread. I just thought it was rather ridiculous considering the context.
And I don't rat on people when they direct crap at me because there is a good chance that I either deserved it/will deserve it and I'd like other people to return the favor of not taking offense at what I say. Also, a lot of the stuff directed at me is rather amusing, either because of the wit or lack their of that the flamer is displaying.

Where does anyone come to harm in an internet forum?
Actually, someone flamed me yesterday, and Fass didn't report it in time, so I went and beat my wife, and then I kicked a puppy.

Not in every case, no.

Such luck I wrote most, then.

Maybe I'm making a bad assumption here, but when you said some things need reporting, I figured that you meant that these posts violated the spam, flame, troll...rules.

Why do you want to support these rules, when they are pointless and there is no harm done to anyone when they are violated.
Since when is that a prerequisite for Max/Jolt to have rules enforced on his/their property?

Such luck I wrote most, then.
Almost as if you somehow knew what Cahnt was going to say. Its like, you were already aware of the facts, and so you didn't need someone to point them out to you.

Actually, someone flamed me yesterday, and Fass didn't report it in time, so I went and beat my wife, and then I kicked a puppy.
So do you think Fass is auditioning for moderator?

Such luck I wrote most, then.
Life is cruel.

Almost as if you somehow knew what Cahnt was going to say. Its like, you were already aware of the facts, and so you didn't need someone to point them out to you.

ESPN.

Since when is that a prerequisite for Max/Jolt to have rules enforced on his/their property?
Its not that breaking the rules is ok. Its that being a snitch everytime your feelings get hurt, or you get offended (which you seem to do every 5 minutes) makes you look like a little whiner who can't take opinions that clash with your.

I don't implie that ALL threads in Mod are baseless. I just imply that when someone has more mod threads made than any other,(not mentioning names) it may just be a sign of self esteem problems. Thats all. *shrugs*

Why do you want to support these rules, when they are pointless and there is no harm done to anyone when they are violated.

Because I think they are good rules that make this a better place. Imagine that!

What annoys me is not only that people report it, but that moderators actually act on it. Invariably. If someone takes offense at anything, unless it's something absolutely ridiculous, the mods will go ban/lock/smash/delete whoever did it.

Amazing. So if it is unfounded, it's ignored and people are told to lighten up, and if there is something to the complaint, it's handled.

How horribly unfair.

So do you think Fass is auditioning for moderator?

I already disqualified myself from becoming one to prove I wasn't earlier in the thread, which you really should have read.

*dryly* If this "exchange" between Fass, Sick Nighmares, and Myrmidonisia keeps up, this thread will be reported on Moderation.

Ah delicious irony.

Its not that breaking the rules is ok. Its that being a snitch everytime your feelings get hurt, or you get offended (which you seem to do every 5 minutes) makes you look like a little whiner who can't take opinions that clash with your.

You're still under the impression that I care about what things "make me look as."

I don't implie that ALL threads in Mod are baseless. I just imply that when someone has more mod threads made than any other,(not mentioning names) it may just be a sign of self esteem problems. Thats all. *shrugs*

This thread could be questioned upon the same "merit."

*dryly* If this "exchange" between Fass, Sick Nighmares, and Myrmidonisia keeps up, this thread will be reported on Moderation.

Ah delicious irony.
I'm actually surprised that it hasn't already been brought up before the Mods as an example of trolling/flaming. I s'pose that people whould just feel really silly snitching on a thread about snitching.

I already disqualified myself from becoming one to prove I wasn't earlier in the thread, which you really should have read.
Are you going to give me a ticket now, or is this just a warning, officer?

It could be that people want to be Moderators quite badly, rather than just simply because feelings were offended.

Snitching on someone else's bad behavior is always a nice ego boost, and to some people, gives them the idea that they look better for it.

-Asylum Nova

Amazing. So if it is unfounded, it's ignored and people are told to lighten up, and if there is something to the complaint, it's handled.

How horribly unfair.
Right like posting Richard Thompson songs is well out of order: that sort of thing has to be nipped in the bud.
Still, it's nice to see you're posting. Besides locking a couple of threads for no good reason and ignoring me in the Mod forum, I'd assumed you were dead.

I'm actually surprised that it hasn't already been brought up before the Mods as an example of trolling/flaming. I s'pose that people whould just feel really silly snitching on a thread about snitching.
good point...... who ever did snitch would never be able to live it down......although as long as people stay civil it's just another debate as to why people behave the way that they do

Right like posting Richard Thompson songs is well out of order: that sort of thing has to be nipped in the bud.
Still, it's nice to see you're posting. Besides locking a couple of threads for no good reason and ignoring me in the Mod forum, I'd assumed you were dead.
What's wrong with Richard Thompson?

What's wrong with Richard Thompson?
That's what I'm wondering.

I'm actually surprised that it hasn't already been brought up before the Mods as an example of trolling/flaming. I s'pose that people whould just feel really silly snitching on a thread about snitching.
They can report me if they want. *shrugs*
But, I was seriously curious as to the phenomenon of "Forum Snitches" (new phrase, all mine!) And what reasons they have. I think we are getting some good opinions on both sides here!

Are you going to give me a ticket now, or is this just a warning, officer?

You'd think you'd not bait me if you really thought so much about my "snitching." I guess logic is out the window here.

I don't care about flaming or trolling - those things are always subjective.

But if you make the mistake of posting a link to something obscene, I'll make sure it's in the Moderation forum within a few seconds. No problem.

What's wrong with Richard Thompson?
Obivously he is a troll who must be stopped lest he infest the boards and be the end of us all!

Obivously he is a troll who must be stopped lest he infest the boards and be the end of us all!
Richard Thompson is the greatest guitar player who ever lived.

You'd think you'd not bait me if you really thought so much about my "snitching." I guess logic is out the window here.
One would think so. But one could also be having a little fun.

One would think so. But one could also be having a little fun.

Emphasis on little.

Richard Thompson is the greatest guitar player who ever lived.
You see, by implying that everyone else plays the guitar with less proficiency then he, he is obviously flaming by his very existence.

Richard Thompson is the greatest guitar player who ever lived.
Baloney! I'll say it again. Baloney! Roy Buchanan could whip him with one hand. But I'll see if I can't find a sample on iTunes. 'Cause I've never heard of Jack Thompson, either.

Baloney! I'll say it again. Baloney! Roy Buchanan could whip him with one hand. But I'll see if I can't find a sample on iTunes. 'Cause I've never heard of Jack Thompson, either.
Eric Clapton, bitches!

Baloney! I'll say it again. Baloney! Roy Buchanan could whip him with one hand. But I'll see if I can't find a sample on iTunes. 'Cause I've never heard of Jack Thompson, either.
Have a look for Shoot Out The Lights and When I Get To The Border.

The worst of all is when your in a heated debate with someone, and one of you flames, so someone who's NOT EVEN IN THE ARGUMENT goes and snitches, and the thread that they weren't even participating in, gets locked.

Right like posting Richard Thompson songs is well out of order: that sort of thing has to be nipped in the bud.
Still, it's nice to see you're posting. Besides locking a couple of threads for no good reason and ignoring me in the Mod forum, I'd assumed you were dead.

Oh, no, it's just remarks like this and "whining neocon crybaby" that is flamebaiting. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9909250&postcount=3

Oh, and as for ignoring you in the Mod forum: is THIS what you mean? http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453254 Because 1) it's so vague, who can tell what it's about and 2) You posted at 8:07p. It's 8:12p. That hardly seems as if you are being ignored.

Have a look for Shoot Out The Lights and When I Get To The Border.
I don't know where I got the "Jack" thing. Those are pretty good tunes.

You know what else sucks? Having your thread hijacked.....by a mod! :D





j/k I don't mind!

Oh, no, it's just remarks like this and "whining neocon crybaby" that is flamebaiting. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9909250&postcount=3

Oh, and as for ignoring you in the Mod forum: is THIS what you mean? http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453254 Because 1) it's so vague, who can tell what it's about and 2) You posted at 8:07p. It's 8:12p. That hardly seems as if you are being ignored.
If he doesn't like being called a whining neocon crybaby he shouldn't act like one. Complaining about a thread before any other posts are made seems a little uncalled for. The quotation that was cited was interesting, I was unaware anybody had mentioned it here before (so it seemed were the others who posted), and complaining about the way the title was phrased seems pointless.
As for the time lag, fair point.

I never reported anyone to the Mods either, right up until they banned me that last time for trying to defend myself. After that, I don't flame back ... I just report whomever is doing the trolling or flamebaiting or whatever.

There honestly seems to be a double standard on here that allows those attacking the US considerably more leeway than those going on the counter-attack. Most of my adult life has been spent in service to my Country one way or the other. I have no desire to be deated, yet I will not sit idly by while some ignorant sack of horse droppings who can't find his logical "ass" with both mental "hands" defames my Country. Apparently the only way I can "fight back" is to report those who love to drag her name through the mud.

I don't much like it, but I'm left with no other choice. :headbang:

Make sense?

So, uh, that's complete crap. You've reported people almost since your first day here. It's actually the reason you got your first official warning. Want me to prove it?

SUCK IT UP, SOLDIER
[ takes a deep breath ... holds it ... explodes! ] :D

[ takes a deep breath ... holds it ... explodes! ] :D

*picks up that arm that lands on key board and flings it back in eut's direction*
please try and hold your self together next time :D

Just a simple question. I'm not saying the mods are doing a bad job. I'm sure it's hard, and utterly annoying trying to keep us all in line.

My question is this. Why does everyone go crying to the mod section whenever a thread hurts their feelings, or offends them? YES, I'm aware that trolling and flaming are against the rules. But why do you feel the need to go cry about it, and get the thread locked? Why can't you just go to another thread and go on with your business? If the Mods find something they don't like, they can do whatever they deem neccesary.

I just think it shows poor character to go crying to the mods whenever you are offended. I get offended 10 times a day on this forum, but I have NEVER reported anything to the Mods. NEVER.

So why do you do it? (you know who you are) Does it make you feel tough? Or do you REALLY think you are helping?


BTW, I suppose I can see a FEW reasons, like if someone is making fun of your dead mother, or something like that. But if you go on over to the mod threads, you'll see some pretty lame whining.

I've reported people who've said absolutely nothing offensive towards me, but were being total asses towards someone else in a thread. For me it's a question of etiquette, and what happens when negative behaviours are let slide. I've seen what happens in other forums when flaming and trolling are tolerated, a certain part of the forum dies. I don't want that to happen here.

Plus, from the Mods' perspective, they have an impossible task. They need all of our help to keep this forum civil. Most of the time, if you don't report someone breaking a big rule, then the mods won't catch it, and then that rule may as well not exist.

*picks up that arm that lands on key board and flings it back in eut's direction*
please try and hold your self together next time :D
It's Sdaeriji's fault. :D

It's Sdaeriji's fault. :D

Sorry. I'll try not to expose your total bullshit next time.

....
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/image.php?u=91868&dateline=1130908362

Aww..so cute

I love it. :fluffle:

Aww..so cute
Always remember...everything is subjective.
Some might find it a little obscene....graphic perhaps?

:D

Always remember...everything is subjective.
Some might find it a little obscene....graphic perhaps?

:D:confused: Why you...






You pervert :D

FYI sexy can be cute..

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/image.php?u=91868&dateline=1130908362

Aww..so cute

I love it. :fluffle:
OK then.:confused:

Let's see....

I remember not too long ago, Sick Nightmares posted a thread about a lame poem that was a shitty flag-waver, in the style of "T'was the Night Before Christmas", and then asked for opinions of it.

I told him it sucked lemons.

He had a hissy, and called me a douchebag, and also to engage in an activity that is physically impossible.
(I know, cuz I keep falling off the couch, everytime I try.)

So, its no wonder he doesnt like snitchers.
If youre breaking rules, you certainly dont want anyone to snitch on you.

He had a hissy, and called me a douchebag, and also to engage in an activity that is physically impossible.
(I know, cuz I keep falling off the couch, everytime I try.)LOL...

*tries to visualize*

So, its no wonder he doesnt like snitchers.
If youre breaking rules, you certainly dont want anyone to snitch on you.
I also hate people who are ignorant and disrespectful when they express their opinions, no matter what the opinion is.

Someone can tell me nicely that something sucks, and I'm cool with it. I just have a personal greivance with douchebaggery.

I also hate people who are ignorant and disrespectful when they express their opinions, no matter what the opinion is.

Someone can tell me nicely that something sucks, and I'm cool with it. I just have a personal greivance with douchebaggery.


Shrug.

You asked for opinions, and you got em.

Not my fault if you didnt like what you heard.

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

Shrug.

You asked for opinions, and you got em.

Not my fault if you didnt like what you heard.

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.
Never said it was your fault that I didn't like what I heard. I do fail to see how it could be anybodies fault but yours that you seem to be so bitter, and so apt to be rude. Or maybe it was just the way you were raised. I know it isn't my fault that you are this way.

*SHRUG*

Just a simple question. I'm not saying the mods are doing a bad job. I'm sure it's hard, and utterly annoying trying to keep us all in line.

My question is this. Why does everyone go crying to the mod section whenever a thread hurts their feelings, or offends them? YES, I'm aware that trolling and flaming are against the rules. But why do you feel the need to go cry about it, and get the thread locked? Why can't you just go to another thread and go on with your business? If the Mods find something they don't like, they can do whatever they deem neccesary.

I just think it shows poor character to go crying to the mods whenever you are offended. I get offended 10 times a day on this forum, but I have NEVER reported anything to the Mods. NEVER.

So why do you do it? (you know who you are) Does it make you feel tough? Or do you REALLY think you are helping?


BTW, I suppose I can see a FEW reasons, like if someone is making fun of your dead mother, or something like that. But if you go on over to the mod threads, you'll see some pretty lame whining.
The answer is simple. Mods are human. That means they're only paying attention to maybe 1/20th of what goes on here. It also means they don't always take action though action should be taken (according to their rules). It's a lot easier to give people the opportunity to bring stuff before the mods, especially when the forum is collosal & about something as volatile as politics.

Smaller forums deal with this by letting the members use a PM system (similar to TGs) to notify the mods of stuff, or by having a button to report "bad" posts. There's good arguments for both systems, but considering the nature of these forums (general in particular), I can't say I dislike this one.

And you're not the only one who never uses the mod forum. They wouldn't have time to deal with anything if that forum was as busy as NSG.

Never said it was your fault that I didn't like what I heard. I do fail to see how it could be anybodies fault but yours that you seem to be so bitter, and so apt to be rude. Or maybe it was just the way you were raised. I know it isn't my fault that you are this way.

*SHRUG*


Look at yourself.

You post a thread, commenting on how much you dislike Mod snitching, wich, isnt surprising, considering how you react so easily to differing opinions.

Know this:

It was you who posted a poorly written poem, and asked for opinions on it.
It was you who got irate, when I called a turd, a turd.
Likewise, it was YOU who resorted to poor language, and childish taunts.

Im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you can see the irony here.
On one hand, you complain that people are telling on you (or others) when you break rules that everyone has to abide by.
With the other, you violently object when someone else voices an opinion that you didnt like, and flaming begins.

You have the nerve to call me bitter?

Im done with you.

SNIP
I understand the premise of the mod forum. My question is why do some people feel the overwhelming need to cry foul over EVERYTHING that isn't %100 P.C. , instead of just moving on, and letting people have their conversations. Its one thing if a mod sees something actionable, but why all the hallway monitors?

SNIP
Well, sure I see how you find it ironic. The point of this thread though, is to find out questions such as why someone found it necessary to go running to the mod thread when we were arguing.

I certainly didn't need anyone to wipe my ass for me, I don't know about you.

two words:

Ass kissing

I understand the premise of the mod forum. My question is why do some people feel the overwhelming need to cry foul over EVERYTHING that isn't %100 P.C. , instead of just moving on, and letting people have their conversations. Its one thing if a mod sees something actionable, but why all the hallway monitors?

The answer is, because the moderators promote, and encourage it. It saves them from having to go looking for violations.
(I also suspect that one or two of them gets a nickel with every successful snitch! - J/K)

I'd add my two cents here, but someone would probably rat me out. I don't feel like getting banned and having my nation disappear again. If I'm gonna go down, it's gonna be for something big -- like invading Missouri. :p

I'd add my two cents here, but someone would probably rat me out. I don't feel like getting banned and having my nation disappear again. If I'm gonna go down, it's gonna be for something big -- like invading Missouri. :p
Did you ever find out why you were DEATed, by the way?

No, not really.

They didn't tell you? I have my beefs with the mods sometimes, but I find it hard to believe they won't give you a reason.

It's simple, certain fucktards on this forum report every little thing because it gives them some feeling of importance, and makes them believe they have a little bit of authority here. It's like when mall security asks you to stop doing something - they have no real authority, so they complain to the real police if they actually care enough. Rats are just mall security guards that care way too much.

God, I'm sweet at explaining things.

Grow up, people.

If you don't break the rules, you don't need to worry about "snitches"

You all need to remember this isn't your forum, you follow the owners rules, you're guests here. Don't like the way it gos here? Leave, you're free to go.

If you see someone rob an old lady, would you not call the police?
If you see someone stealing stuff from someone's house, would you not alert the police?

This has nothing to do with snitching, but with keeping this place open and welcome for everyone.

I understand the premise of the mod forum. My question is why do some people feel the overwhelming need to cry foul over EVERYTHING that isn't %100 P.C. , instead of just moving on, and letting people have their conversations. Its one thing if a mod sees something actionable, but why all the hallway monitors?
No. You don't understand the premise of the mod forum. If you did, you would understand that snitching to some degree is encouraged. If people used the mod forum much less than they do, the mods would have to recruit a number of extra moderators, most likely so many the communication between them would more or less break down. Perhaps the mods should recruit you for a week so you can learn what I'm talking about.

What is or isn't PC is irrelevant. If something goes against the rules of these forums, then it should be reported. Surprisingly, the mods can't possibly keep up with a place as active as this, especially since moderating a forum often involves mods discussing possible actions together before they do something.
It's either this, or accepting that mod action will become completely random, and usually non-existant. I don't know if you'd prefer a forum like that, but I wouldn't - even though I do have a few choice words I'd like to say to a couple of the NSGers.

You have demonstrated that you don't know when to shut up & walk away. I have too. There's nothing unique in having a bad temper. However, if posters don't act on our bad behaviour, all serious debate will be lost to bickering & namecalling.
Whether people report eachother in the mod forum because they dislike eachother, are rule-nazis or something else, doesn't matter. The mods here can easily deal with backseat moderators if they feel it's needed.

Speaking from my experience as admin of another forum community, I'll say it's highly doubtful that would-be sheriff's are ever considered for a mod position. Such people generally can't handle the power they'll have, so upping them to mods usually results in forum wars and perhaps the death of the community - I've seen it happen. Candidates are normally people the bulk of the moderators trust & know. At least that's been the case in the communities I've been involved in.

They didn't tell you? I have my beefs with the mods sometimes, but I find it hard to believe they won't give you a reason.

Meh...seems I'm a troll... :rolleyes:

People apparently may get offended by things.
What i want to know has anyone ever complained in Moderation about fun so called spam topics?

People apparently may get offended by things.
What i want to know has anyone ever complained in Moderation about fun so called spam topics?

Yes.

Yes.
So...

Was it one of the mods who complained?

So...

Was it one of the mods who complained?
:confused:
Why would a mod have to complain? Any of us can close a thread.

:confused:
Why would a mod have to complain? Any of us can close a thread.
Kat, you really hadn't noticed there's a conspiracy theory going on here about the mods hating fun threads? :p

Any of us can close a thread.
For any reason, or for no reason at all, apparently. :p

:confused:
Why would a mod have to complain? Any of us can close a thread.
Do you ever have the urge to close a thread for ten seconds just to see if anyone would notice?

Sure, sure, pick on the mod....

;) If you ever wanted proof there's no conspiracy, it's that so many people who take up so much mod time with bad behavior (in comparison to other players) are still here to complain about there being a conspiracy!

Not that anyone here is in that category, of course....

Do you ever have the urge to close a thread for ten seconds just to see if anyone would notice?

LOL, close it for a millisecond and there will be a demand as to why. ;)

Sure, sure, pick on the mod....

;) If you ever wanted proof there's no conspiracy, it's that so many people who take up so much mod time with bad behavior (in comparison to other players) are still here to complain about there being a conspiracy!

Not that anyone here is in that category, of course....
[ picks unmercifully on Katganistan! ] Kitchie, kitchie KOO! :D

Do you ever have the urge to close a thread for ten seconds just to see if anyone would notice?
Hehe, I tried that a few years ago. Thankfully the people who noticed had a sense of humour. It's been my standard excuse ever since, when I accidentially close threads (happens sometimes when one needs to move a thread & isn't paying attention).

I know that this is off-point but are all the mods on the general forum female?

I know that this is off-point but are all the mods on the general forum female?

No. Frisbeeteria and Euroslavia, my most often partners in crime, are male.

No. Frisbeeteria and Euroslavia, my most often partners in crime, are male.
[ Tickles Katganistan until she relents and lets us post funny things whether they're spam or not! ] :D

I'm a big fan of the Moderation forum for a very simple reason. It allows me to do my job without having to wade through the mundane crap that fills most of the forums.

To address the 'snitch' question, I always go into any request under the assumption that the reporter may have an agenda of his own. In a relatively large number of such reports, the reporter and the accused BOTH end up getting warned. I can often tell the nature of the complaint without even opening up the thread, as the poster's name is usually familiar enough. (i.e. If Crazy Girl starts a mod thread, it's usually thread moves in Gameplay :p )

There are plenty of non-'snitch' reporters in Moderation too. People who genuinely want to improve the site by outing spammers, abusers, and others who are detrimental to almost everyone's enjoyment. Those people are the ones that stick to my mind when it's Mod nomination season.

There are a number of posters, mostly from General, who can't seem to adapt to the concept that this site is PG-13, not R or XXX. That is Max's choice, and that's the level of play we enforce. I'm admin on another site that specifically prohibits anyone under 18, and moderation there is MUCH more forgiving. I can't even link to it, because it violates our content guidelines (nudity, sexual situations, etc). But that's not NationStates, so don't ask me to moderate in that style.

In the meantime, keep 'snitching'. We're bright enough to pound sand, and we can tell when we're being played. While you're at it, grow a skin. Can't say that often enough.

Meh...seems I'm a troll... :rolleyes:
Well, DUH! But it doesn't mean you're a bad person! :D

There are a number of posters, mostly from General, who can't seem to adapt to the concept that this site is PG-13, not R or XXX.

In the meantime, keep 'snitching'. We're bright enough to pound sand, and we can tell when we're being played. While you're at it, grow a skin. Can't say that often enough.
So is that why "The Babe Thread" was closed? I didn't think that was anything other than "G," but my opinion was obviously the minority one. :(

[ Invites Fribeeteria to go pound some more sand. ] :D

So is that why "The Babe Thread" was closed? I didn't think that was anything other than "G,"
"G" is Disney, Eut. I don't recall seeing any pictures of Ariel or Pocohontas posted there. Cheesecake shots are not, and have never been, "G" rated. Besides that, it's almost impossible to link to 'clean' shots without photo-linking to sites that have stuff outside our acceptable parameters. Of course, you can copy and rehost, but that's typically in violation of copyright. Not that we have time to investigate that sort of claim, or legal knowledge of how to proceed, so it's just easier to say 'no, you can't do that'.

Incidentally, I had nothing to do with the closing of that thread. I've got access to "Teh Intarweb", so I can find better shots anytime I want. Seemed like a dumb idea for a NS thread anyway.

"G" is Disney, Eut. I don't recall seeing any pictures of Ariel or Pocohontas posted there. Cheesecake shots are not, and have never been, "G" rated. Besides that, it's almost impossible to link to 'clean' shots without photo-linking to sites that have stuff outside our acceptable parameters. Of course, you can copy and rehost, but that's typically in violation of copyright. Not that we have time to investigate that sort of claim, or legal knowledge of how to proceed, so it's just easier to say 'no, you can't do that'.

Incidentally, I had nothing to do with the closing of that thread. I've got access to "Teh Intarweb", so I can find better shots anytime I want. Seemed like a dumb idea for a NS thread anyway.
What ...






... EVER! :)

So is that why "The Babe Thread" was closed? I didn't think that was anything other than "G," but my opinion was obviously the minority one. :(

[ Invites Fribeeteria to go pound some more sand. ] :D
Well, for one, it's in Spam. It didn't get closed.

Well, for one, it's in Spam. It didn't get closed.
I don't "do" spam. :rolleyes:

I'm a big fan of the Moderation forum for a very simple reason. It allows me to do my job without having to wade through the mundane crap that fills most of the forums.

In the meantime, keep 'snitching'. We're bright enough to pound sand, and we can tell when we're being played. While you're at it, grow a skin. Can't say that often enough.

I'm curious if there any concerns at all within the moderation circle that their encouragement of snitching may amount to promoting a behaivor by impressionable young people that will in real life, at the very least cause them to be ostrisized by their peers, and at worst cause them death or great bodily harm?
It seems to me that the potiential downside far outweighs the convience of simply sorting through the garbage to find legitimate complaints.

Well there are a LOT of teens on this site...

I'm curious if there any concerns at all within the moderation circle that their encouragement of snitching may amount to promoting a behaivor by impressionable young people that will in real life, at the very least cause them to be ostrisized by their peers, and at worst cause them death or great bodily harm?
It seems to me that the potiential downside far outweighs the convience of simply sorting through the garbage to find legitimate complaints.
You're joking, right?

You're joking, right?
Ignore him. He was an abused child. :D

You're joking, right?

That's not a joking matter. Over 16 years working with gang memebers in and outside confined enviorments I have seen literally hundreds of young people beaten or killed for the merely being percieved as a snitch. I've know officers that cultivate thier own lists of personal snitchs simply to make their job a little bit easier. I have also seen a kid killed simply because he was observed engaging in "chat" with an officer known for this tatic.
I'm not saying anything like that could happen because of the moderators here. I am saying there are a lot of young people who look up to the moderators here and would not think twice about applying the lessons learned as harmless, in a real world enviorment.
Where I am from, a "snitch" is probably the worst possible thing a person can be. Not uncommon for American Urban Enviorments.

Ignore him. He was an abused child. :D

Very interesting response Eut. I am disappointed you would take such an attitude.

Ignore him. He was an abused child. :D

and you're not funny.

I'm a big fan of the Moderation forum for a very simple reason. It allows me to do my job without having to wade through the mundane crap that fills most of the forums.

To address the 'snitch' question, I always go into any request under the assumption that the reporter may have an agenda of his own. In a relatively large number of such reports, the reporter and the accused BOTH end up getting warned. I can often tell the nature of the complaint without even opening up the thread, as the poster's name is usually familiar enough. (i.e. If Crazy Girl starts a mod thread, it's usually thread moves in Gameplay :p )

There are plenty of non-'snitch' reporters in Moderation too. People who genuinely want to improve the site by outing spammers, abusers, and others who are detrimental to almost everyone's enjoyment. Those people are the ones that stick to my mind when it's Mod nomination season.

There are a number of posters, mostly from General, who can't seem to adapt to the concept that this site is PG-13, not R or XXX. That is Max's choice, and that's the level of play we enforce. I'm admin on another site that specifically prohibits anyone under 18, and moderation there is MUCH more forgiving. I can't even link to it, because it violates our content guidelines (nudity, sexual situations, etc). But that's not NationStates, so don't ask me to moderate in that style.

In the meantime, keep 'snitching'. We're bright enough to pound sand, and we can tell when we're being played. While you're at it, grow a skin. Can't say that often enough.
That was very informative! Thanks! I still hate snitches though! :p You just made me like the Mods a little better, thats all. ;)

That's not a joking matter. Over 16 years working with gang memebers in and outside confined enviorments I have seen literally hundreds of young people beaten or killed for the merely being percieved as a snitch. I've know officers that cultivate thier own lists of personal snitchs simply to make their job a little bit easier. I have also seen a kid killed simply because he was observed engaging in "chat" with an officer known for this tatic.
I'm not saying anything like that could happen because of the moderators here. I am saying there are a lot of young people who look up to the moderators here and would not think twice about applying the lessons learned as harmless, in a real world enviorment.
Where I am from, a "snitch" is probably the worst possible thing a person can be. Not uncommon for American Urban Enviorments.
Assuming you really aren't joking...

It's never a good thing to be a snitch. However, in a forum such as this, impressionable young hooligans have an opportunity to see that a semi-anarchistic approach to community policing is both possible & desirable.

Here everyone can see the 'snitch'. And everyone can confront the snitch with his or her behaviour. And your hooligan friends can experience that not all rules are excuses for punishing them. The vast majority of rules here are clearly designed because experience have taught that doing things in certain ways is conductive to debate, while doing things in certain other ways aren't.

People - whether victims of a snitch or not - can also both appeal to the mods directly, or appeal to the community at large. And your little hooligan friends can learn that real snitching - outing someone for the benefit of oneself - is heavily frowned upon by both users & staff.

It seems to me you're arguing against reality...

Very interesting response Eut. I am disappointed you would take such an attitude.
Uh ... you are familiar with the term "joke," are you not??? Duh! :rolleyes:

Uh ... you are familiar with the term "joke," are you not??? Duh! :rolleyes:


and you seem to think you can say anything as long as you say later it's a joke.:rolleyes:

That's not a joking matter. Over 16 years working with gang memebers in and outside confined enviorments I have seen literally hundreds of young people beaten or killed for the merely being percieved as a snitch. I've know officers that cultivate thier own lists of personal snitchs simply to make their job a little bit easier. I have also seen a kid killed simply because he was observed engaging in "chat" with an officer known for this tatic.
I'm not saying anything like that could happen because of the moderators here. I am saying there are a lot of young people who look up to the moderators here and would not think twice about applying the lessons learned as harmless, in a real world enviorment.
Where I am from, a "snitch" is probably the worst possible thing a person can be. Not uncommon for American Urban Enviorments.

So you are recommending we not report crimes in real life because someone might beat us up for it?

Uh ... you are familiar with the term "joke," are you not??? Duh! :rolleyes:

So if I called your mother a disease infested whore, but I said it was a joke, you'd be cool with it?

So if I called your mother a disease infested whore, but I said it was a joke, you'd be cool with it?
For what it matters, It'd be cool with me if you called Eutrusca's mother a disease infestd whore.

No. Frisbeeteria and Euroslavia, my most often partners in crime, are male.
Ah ha i knew it partners in crime!

The Mod Conspiracy is real.

Ah ha i knew it partners in crime!

The Mod Conspiracy is real.

Didn't you know?

Didn't you know?
Oh i knew its just the more (evidence) the merrier.

Oh i knew its just the more (evidence) the merrier.
Yes... unless this is what they want us to think.... hmmmm

So you are recommending we not report crimes in real life because someone might beat us up for it?

Nothing that can be said or done in a forum like this could possibly compare with a crime.

My personal opinion is that the moderation on these forums is pathetic, high-handed, childish and very rarely justified.

Nothing that can be said or done in a forum like this could possibly compare with a crime.

My personal opinion is that the moderation on these forums is pathetic, high-handed, childish and very rarely justified.

That's not very fair at all. I think the mods do the best they can, considering how large this forum is. Also, if its that awful, why do you stay?

Yes... unless this is what they want us to think.... hmmmm
So there is a conspiracy designed to make us think there is a conspiracy when there really isn't one?
That would mean that THEY are plotting against me to make me paranoid. Which would mean . . .
*Head explodes*

Nothing that can be said or done in a forum like this could possibly compare with a crime.

My personal opinion is that the moderation on these forums is pathetic, high-handed, childish and very rarely justified.

The poster I responded to said that it's bad to encourage people to report misdeeds because in the real world it can get them hurt.

And my personal opinion is that those who complain about the moderation on these forums are those who cannot behave themselves in a respectable manner and they only feel that the moderation is unfair because they are at the recieving end of it.

That's not very fair at all. I think the mods do the best they can, considering how large this forum is. Also, if its that awful, why do you stay?

It is fair. There is very little ground for moderation at any time, that they use it so often does nothing for their credibility.

It is fair. There is very little ground for moderation at any time, that they use it so often does nothing for their credibility.


I disagree.

Now, I am not a person to run to the mods. In fact I have only done it once, and that was mostly because I really didn't like the guy. Also he completely broke the rules, thus deserving it.

That said, I think you can judge the effectiveness of the moderation policy by the success of this forum.

Sure, there are plenty of moderation decisions that I might not agree with per se. But, by and large, the moderators here have managed to make this a relatively spam free and civil environment that is enjoyable to visit. The proof is in the pudding: we all keep coming back here! If it was that oppressive, and badly moderated, surely we would all be at other boards.

So you are recommending we not report crimes in real life because someone might beat us up for it?

Good heavens no. There is no similarity in witnessing a crime and reporting it in real life and being a recruited snitch. Even a dedicated criminal is not going to look at it in the same light simply because there is no correlation between the two.
My whole point is that when a person in an administrative or official capacity openly advocates something such as wholesale snitching. I.E. "Keep your eyes open and if someone does something wrong you come and tell me so I can take care of it." They are sending a message saying that this is good behaivor, when the reality of it is, it is actually behaivor that will put one at great risk in cetain situations. Never once did I see an officer that used this method to pad his record, explain to someone the potiential harm it could casue them. Some people can think far enough ahead to the end result, but there are impressionable individuals that percieve anything an authoritative figure says as the gospel, right and good. They don't even consider they may just be lazy.

Nothing that can be said or done in a forum like this could possibly compare with a crime.

My personal opinion is that the moderation on these forums is pathetic, high-handed, childish and very rarely justified.

I disagree. I think the moderation forum is a very good thing, however, I think the quality of moderation suffers and appears to be often unjustified simply because of the encouragement to snitch. There are several individuals that do nothing but look for something to snitch about, and two or three that should be professors of victimization. If someone crosses the line and steps on another's toes, that individual has the right to make a complaint and let the mods sort it out. I simply cannot see how it can be considered a legitmate complaint if the "victim" doesn't feel it warrents reporting but, Eddie Imarat does. Naturally there are cases where the offense can be to entire groups of people that would allow the "Cruiser Snitch" to do his thing, but there is also a desprate need for BANS FROM THE MODERATION THREAD!

Well i think we need twice as many Moderators but 50% less Moderation.

Nothing that can be said or done in a forum like this could possibly compare with a crime.

My personal opinion is that the moderation on these forums is pathetic, high-handed, childish and very rarely justified.

And we'll see you in a week, being as you've already been banned once for this sort of thing.

Blah, blah, blah above. :rolleyes:

People snitch on other posters because:

A) They don't feel any sense of brotherhood towards other posters here (well, it's internet equivalent). Hell, I'm just happy to see I'm not the only person out there who regularly considers politics and takes the time to form opinions about issues that concern us all. In a way, I respect everyone here for the effort alone.

B) They don't have the brains or balls to address their problems themselves.