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Bush uses Patriot Act to make 10,000+ Name 'Enemies List'

Upitatanium
08-11-2005, 23:25
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7625.shtml

Abuse of Power, much?

Spurred by paranoia and aided by the USA Patriot Act, the Bush Administration has compiled dossiers on more than 10,000 Americans it considers political enemies and uses those files to wage war on those who disagree with its policies.

The “enemies list” dates back to Bush’s days as governor of Texas and can be accessed by senior administration officials in an instant for use in campaigns to discredit those who speak out against administration policies or acts of the President.

The computerized files include intimate personal details on members of Congress; high-ranking local, state and federal officials; prominent media figures and ordinary citizens who may, at one time or another, spoken out against the President or Administration.

Capitol Hill Blue has spoken with a number of current and former administration officials who acknowledge existence of the enemies list only under a guarantee of confidentiality. Those who have seen the list say it is far more extensive than Richard Nixon’s famous “enemies list” of Watergate fame or Bill Clinton’s dossiers on political enemies.

“How is that you think Karl (Rove) and Scooter (Libby) were able to disseminate so much information on Joe Wilson and his wife,” says one White House aide. “They didn’t have that information by accident. They had it because they have files on those who might hurt them.”

White House insiders tell a disturbing tales of invasion of privacy, abuse of government power and use of expanded authority under the USA Patriot Act to dig into the personal lives of anyone the administration deems an enemy of the state.

Those on the list include former Ambassador Joseph Wilson and his wife, former covert CIA operative Valarie Plame, along with filmmaker and administration critic Michael Moore, Senators like California’s Barbara Boxer, media figures like liberal writer Joe Conason and left-wing bloggers like Markos Moulitsas Zúniga (the Daily Kos) and Ana Marie Cox (Wonkette).

“If you want to know who’s sleeping with whom, who drinks too much or has a fondness for nose candy, this is the place to find it,” says another White House aide. “Karl (Rove) operates under the rule that if you fuck with us, we’ll fuck you over.”

Rove started the list while Bush served as governor of Texas, compiling information on various political enemies in the state and leaking damaging information on opponents to friends in the press. The list grew during Bush’s first run for President in 2000 but the names multiplied rapidly after the terrorist attacks of 2001 and passage of the USA Patriot Act. Using the powers under the act, Rove expanded the list to more than 10,000 names, utilizing the FBI’s “national security letters” to gather private and intimate details on American citizens.

National security letters, which can be issued by an FBI supervisor without a judge’s review or approval, allows the bureau to sweep up the records of virtually any American citizen, examining their telephone calls, correspondence and financial lives of ordinary Americans.

The FBI issues some 30,000 national security letters a year to employers, credit bureaus, banks, travel agencies and other sources of information on American citizens. The Patriot Act also forbids anyone receiving such a letter to reveal they have passed on information to the federal government.

“Those letters helped us build files quickly on those we needed to know more about,” says a former White House aide.

The database of political enemies of the Bush administration is not maintained on White House computers and is located on a privately-owned computer offsite, but can be accessed remotely by a select list of senior aides, including Rove. The offsite location allowed the database to escape detection by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald during his investigation of the Valerie Plame leak. The database is funded by private donations from Bush political backers and does not appear on the White House budget or Federal Election Commission campaign reports.

Bush is not the first President to use the FBI to keep track of his enemies. Richard M. Nixon used FBI files to try and discredit his opponents, including Daniel Ellsberg, the Department of Defense employee who leaked the Pentagon Papers to The New York Times. Bill Clinton used the FBI to compile dossiers on critics like Conservative Congressman Bob Barr and legal gadfly Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch.

But worried White House insiders say the intelligence gathered by the Bush administration is far larger, more extensive and potentially more damaging than the excesses of previous occupants of the White House. Even worse, it dovetails into a pattern of spying on Americans that has become commonplace since Bush took office.

“We’re talking about Big Brother at its most extreme,” says one White House staffer. “We know things about people that their spouses don’t know and, if it becomes politically expedient, we will make sure the rest of the world knows.”

The White House press official did not respond to a request for an interview on this story and did not return phone calls seeking comment.

Wow. Even bloggers like Wonkette. I REALLY hope the media picks this up.
Fass
08-11-2005, 23:28
Now there's a "Who's who?" to be on!
Cynigal
08-11-2005, 23:28
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/Conspiracy.jpg

Ooooohhh more Conspiracies! :rolleyes:
Deep Kimchi
08-11-2005, 23:28
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7625.shtml

Abuse of Power, much?


I'm supposed to believe a Democratic website on this. Riiiight.
Xenophobialand
08-11-2005, 23:29
I'd have to see more reputable evidence of this before I'll believe it.
Vetalia
08-11-2005, 23:46
So what? This is an excellent move, politically speaking. A handy way to destroy your enemies and blackmail your own skeletons in to silence. I'm rather impressed by the comprehensiveness of the list myself.

These kinds of things are as old as any political trick in the United States.
Upitatanium
08-11-2005, 23:46
I'd have to see more reputable evidence of this before I'll believe it.

Me too. It's claims to being the oldest political website on the internet leaves me wondering. I never heard of this site until now.
[NS]Olara
08-11-2005, 23:48
<snip>
You, sir, have just made THE LIST.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
08-11-2005, 23:51
Me too. It's claims to being the oldest political website on the internet leaves me wondering. I never heard of this site until now.
They were made invisible by an affiliation of JESUSBOMB and George Bush, but now the truth is out! Its all over for them, and they will have no escape!! MWHAHAHAH!!!!

*Takes handful of pills*

Er, sorry about that.
Upitatanium
08-11-2005, 23:51
So what? This is an excellent move, politically speaking. These kinds of things are as old as any political trick in the United States.

I think the shocking thing about it is the claims of Patriot Act abuse and the size of the list (many times over Nixon or Clinton).

Both of these are good conspiracy fodder for sure. true? False? In either case I wanted first posties :D
Upitatanium
08-11-2005, 23:53
Olara']You, sir, have just made THE LIST.

Meh, I wish. Could use some excitement.

(Shit. Don't I have homework...)
Vetalia
08-11-2005, 23:54
I think the shocking thing about it is the claims of Patriot Act abuse and the size of the list (many times over Nixon or Clinton).

I'm just stunned that Bush was crafty enough to gather information like that. For some reason, I think exposing it will encourage more politicians to use it for their own "intelligence gathering".

Both of these are good conspiracy fodder for sure. true? False? In either case I wanted first posties :D

I don't think it's false. It makes sense given the giant opportunity the PA provided for this. I don't think there's a politician in the world who'd turn down a prize like that.
Linthiopia
08-11-2005, 23:54
I have a new goal in life: Get on that list.

:D
Syniks
08-11-2005, 23:56
CARVILLE DOCUMENTS AND FILES SHOW INFORMATION COMPILED ON PERCEIVED CLINTON ADVERSARIES
Documents produced by James Carville and his Education Information Project (EIP) in response to a Judicial Watch subpoena in its Filegate case show that Carville uses the organization as a means to compile information on perceived adversaries of President Clinton. In addition to Judicial Watch, the documents indicate that Carville targets and/or keeps files on the following persons and groups:

Independnt Counsel Kenneth Starr, Independent Counsel Donald Smaltz, House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Congressman Henry Hyde, Richard Mellon Scaife, Olin Foundation, Landmark Legal Foundation, Congressman Dan Burton, Congressman Bob Barr, David Bossie, Kathleen Willey, Jacob Stein, Judge David Sentelle, Jim Guy Tucker, Paula Jones, Citizens for Honest Government, Bradley Foundation, Senator Jesse Helms.

Senator Fred Thompson, Senator Lauch Faircloth, Pat Robinson, David Brock, Floyd Brown, Governor Mike Huckabee, Congressman Jack Kingston, Brent Bozell, Concord Coalition, Common Cause, Susan Carpenter McMillan, Gil Davis, David Hale, Dick Morris, Richard DeVos/Amway, Lamar Alexander, Bill Bennett, Joe DiGenova.

The documents also indicate that Carville likely works with Clinton lawyers David Kendall and Mickey Kantor in compiling some of his information on Kenneth Starr. Other evidence produced by Carville suggest that EIP considered, at least, using President Clinton's private investigator Terry Lenzner and his firm IGI to investigate Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r105:4:./temp/~r1054ANN2r::

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/FASCISM_NOT_US_large.jpg

All Politicians are Scum.
Super-power
09-11-2005, 00:44
Looks like Bush took a hint from John Adams and his Alien and Sedition Act.
Syniks, I'm loving the graphics you posted! Hilarious :D
Cynigal
09-11-2005, 00:52
Syniks, I'm loving the graphics you posted! Hilarious :DIt's true you know. When Liberals do it it's called "compassion" not Facisim...
Deep Kimchi
09-11-2005, 01:12
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/FASCISM_NOT_US_large.jpg

All Politicians are Scum.

My sentiments exactly.
Bolol
09-11-2005, 02:10
If this is true then I have reason to be scared. But...I personally don't think it's true. I doubt that Bush has the concentration skills to create a list...let alone a 10,000-name list.
Desperate Measures
09-11-2005, 02:11
If this is true then I have reason to be scared. But...I personally don't think it's true. I doubt that Bush has the concentration skills to create a list...let alone a 10,000-name list.
He just has to write down the names of people he meets. Really wouldn't take him long.
Dobbsworld
09-11-2005, 02:15
I REALLY hope the media picks this up.
Fat chance on that - it seems like the media has gone right back to the post 9/11 status quo of fervent yet unclearly-stated Bush-worship. Like those hurricanes just never frickin' happened, nope.
Beer and Guns
09-11-2005, 02:22
Fat chance on that - it seems like the media has gone right back to the post 9/11 status quo of fervent yet unclearly-stated Bush-worship. Like those hurricanes just never frickin' happened, nope.


What media have you been watching ?
Syniks
09-11-2005, 03:04
What media have you been watching ?
Any person or news org that is not actively promoting the MoveOn "Bushitler" line is obviously in the pocket of Rove/Cheney/Haliburton and supports Bush. Didn't you know that?

Spend more time at the Bush Board and let the Spirits of all that is Liberal guide your pointer to the truth!
Zexaland
09-11-2005, 03:13
All Politicians are Scum.

Well, thank you, Captain Obvious.:rolleyes:
Maineiacs
09-11-2005, 03:14
Personally, if such a list exists, I hope I'm on it.
Branin
09-11-2005, 03:25
Olara']You, sir, have just made THE LIST.
NS General in it's entirity sits at about number 3 on the list already. We're just that good.
Syniks
09-11-2005, 03:33
Well, thank you, Captain Obvious.:rolleyes:
It will never be "obvious" until the anti-Bushites here stop claiming their politicians are materially less so. (scum that is)
( :rolleyes: back atcha)
Dishonorable Scum
09-11-2005, 03:35
All Politicians are Scum.

That, sir, is an insult to all scum.

:p
Syniks
09-11-2005, 03:39
That, sir, is an insult to all scum.

:p
Nah. They are Professional scum, while you are merely Dishonorable.

They chose to be scum, while you were born that way. ;)
Zexaland
09-11-2005, 03:42
It will never be "obvious" until the anti-Bushites here stop claiming their politicians are materially less so. (scum that is)
( :rolleyes: back atcha)

Dude, I was essentially AGREEING WITH YOU.
(:rolleyes: DOUBLE back atcha, no returns.)
Cahnt
09-11-2005, 15:26
It will never be "obvious" until the anti-Bushites here stop claiming their politicians are materially less so. (scum that is)
( :rolleyes: back atcha)
When has that ever been the case? Mostly the (evil) liberals are claiming that their politicians aren't Bush.
Texan Hotrodders
09-11-2005, 15:33
Bush uses Patriot Act to make 10,000+ Name 'Enemies List'

Right, Bush sat down at his desk and compiled a 10,000 entry list of names. That's ludicrous. Every good liberal knows that Bush spends too much time on vacation and plotting what lies he'll tell next to have time for making up long lists.

Seriously, y'all give the man too much credit and too much blame. He's just the most recent in a long series of seriously flawed Presidents.
Deep Kimchi
09-11-2005, 15:37
Right, Bush sat down at his desk and compiled a 10,000 entry list of names. That's ludicrous. Every good liberal knows that Bush spends too much time on vacation and plotting what lies he'll tell next to have time for making up long lists.

Seriously, y'all give the man too much credit and too much blame. He's just the most recent in a long series of seriously flawed Presidents.

I thought that every good liberal knew that Bush had too few brain cells to tie his own shoelaces.

Or is he the subtle evil mastermind genius who fooled all of Congress with his lies about WMD....

Or is he the same genius who has all of the media, including Barbara Streisand, in his pocket...

Hell, if you want an enemies list, just subpoena the member list from Democratic Underground, add most of the members of the Screen Actors Guild (subtract Tom Selleck and a few others), add the names of Democratic elected officials around the country, and the list is complete.

I bet anyone could put a list like that together inside of a day, without leaving their house.
Texan Hotrodders
09-11-2005, 15:42
I thought that every good liberal knew that Bush had too few brain cells to tie his own shoelaces.

A good point.

I bet anyone could put a list like that together inside of a day, without leaving their house.

Not anyone. Bush couldn't, because he obviously has too few brain cells to tie his own shoelaces.;)
Cahnt
09-11-2005, 15:47
Not anyone. Bush couldn't, because he obviously has too few brain cells to tie his own shoelaces.;)
Somebody else put the list together for him, then. Just like his political policies.
Syniks
09-11-2005, 15:49
Somebody else put the list together for him, then. Just like his political policies.
Sort of like te one Carville did for Clinton?
Deep Kimchi
09-11-2005, 15:49
Somebody else put the list together for him, then. Just like his political policies.

Well, at least we know which tinfoil hat you're wearing now. The "Bush is completely stupid" hat. Good for you!
Texan Hotrodders
09-11-2005, 15:51
Somebody else put the list together for him, then. Just like his political policies.

I tend to agree that someone else put the list together for him, perhaps even after consulting with him. It has to do with practicality, though, not a lack of intelligence (though I would like see a fair bit more of that in our President).
Pantycellen
09-11-2005, 15:52
you think you guys have problems at least in america you only have 2 secret police forces

we have:
MI6
MI5
Special branch

also we are unsure if the other MI#'s have been disolved, we know that at one point there was up to MI9...........
Deep Kimchi
09-11-2005, 15:53
you think you guys have problems at least in america you only have 2 secret police forces


You're very funny, and very misinformed.
Cahnt
09-11-2005, 15:54
Sort of like the one Carville did for Clinton?
Precisely: it's just a far bigger list because more people liked Clinton.


Kimchi, maybe it's just me, but I suspect that a man who had to be prompted through a radio during the election debates might have a slight problem grasping and correlating information.
Mar Tortugas
09-11-2005, 16:17
in all honesty, i could probably send an anonymous e-mail to capital hill blue, say i was a former white house aide named margaret frishmann, and tell them that bush was planning on bunker-busting paris, and they'd come out with a story and reword it so it sounded like unmistakable proof. and it's not like other presidents haven't done this. but i guess it's only wrong if a republican is president.
Dishonorable Scum
09-11-2005, 16:35
you think you guys have problems at least in america you only have 2 secret police forces

We have more, but we're not supposed to tell you about them. It's part of the whole "secret" thing.

:p