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So was it wrong for me to take a picture of this really hot chick at work (fully clothed in the lunchroom) with my camera even though she didn't know? She really is hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrong? Difficult to say, because that word makes it a moral call. What are you planning to do with it? (On second thought, don't tell me.)

Illegal? Not to my knowledge--she's in a public place and you give up a lot of your expectation to privacy when in public.

So was it wrong for me to take a picture of this really hot chick at work (fully clothed in the lunchroom) with my camera even though she didn't know? She really is hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ethically, i'd say wrong, sorry.

Wrong? Difficult to say, because that word makes it a moral call. What are you planning to do with it? (On second thought, don't tell me.)

Illegal? Not to my knowledge--she's in a public place and you give up a lot of your expectation to privacy when in public.
Well I keep telling my buddies about this really hot chick I work with and they wanted to see what she looked like so I took it. That's about all I'll do with it. She did say previously "don't take my picture" but all women say that when they know you have a camera. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Yes that's wrong becuase...

1]you intentionally take a picture of her without her knowledge
2]she already asked you not to take a picture
3]you're only taking it to show her off to your mates, way to objectify women

Well I keep telling my buddies about this really hot chick I work with and they wanted to see what she looked like so I took it. That's about all I'll do with it. She did say previously "don't take my picture" but all women say that when they know you have a camera. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Okay, I'm risking a ban, AND rising to a troll, but man, you're so clearly an asshole for this post that I would be morally remiss if I didn't point that out to you.

SHE ASKED YOU, SPECIFICALLY, NOT TO TAKE HER PICTURE. "all women say that when they know you have a camera"? I suppose you also think that women ask to be raped, too? How dare you presume to speak for all women and what "they" believe!

Your work may also have restrictions concerning the use of camera phones and you actions could very well be classed as misconduct.

So was it wrong for me to take a picture of this really hot chick at work (fully clothed in the lunchroom) with my camera even though she didn't know? She really is hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's wrong unless you post the picture here for us all to see.

Yes that's wrong becuase...

SHE ASKED YOU, SPECIFICALLY, NOT TO TAKE HER PICTURE. "all women say that when they know you have a camera"? I suppose you also think that women ask to be raped, too? How dare you presume to speak for all women and what "they" believe!

Wow, holy strawman batman! No one is talking about rape here except you.

And you know, the day the press in this society stop taking pictures of people just because they ask, is the day I will take seriously this particular objection. Free press - unfortunately or not - means people can take pictures of whatever, whoever they want.

Not at the workplace. Not if she explicitly says she doesn't want her picture taken AND is at the workplace.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Wow, holy strawman batman! No one is talking about rape here except you.

Yes, and did you happen to read the word "suppose"? It's hypothetical. I used that example because it's that kind of "all women think this" attitude that excuses rape in some men's eyes. Yes, it's an extreme example, but it illustrates the potential progression. Assumptions like the OP's are dangerous when left unchallenged.

And you know, the day the press in this society stop taking pictures of people just because they ask, is the day I will take seriously this particular objection. Free press - unfortunately or not - means people can take pictures of whatever, whoever they want.

Uh, unless I miss my guess, the OP is not a member of the press.

It is just a picture..... What the hell is the problem? :confused:

Because she had specifically told you not to take her picture, you shouldn't have. Many women, especially attractive women, feel (often rightly so) that they are not taken seriously by men in the workplace because of their looks. This sensitizes women to behaviour that focuses on their looks.

While some women may like having their picture taken, she doesn't, and she made that clear to you. You should have respected her request. Delete the picture and apologize to her.

Yes, it's wrong. Sometimes a person doesn't want his or her picture taken for whatever reason. Even though it's legal it puts you on the same level as the paparazzi scum that hunt celebrities. Next time take a picture of George Clooney. Maybe he'll punch you and you can sue.

Well I keep telling my buddies about this really hot chick I work with and they wanted to see what she looked like so I took it. That's about all I'll do with it. She did say previously "don't take my picture" but all women say that when they know you have a camera. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Oh hilarious.

Say, where do you live? I want to watch you while you sleep. That's okay, right?

I think the issue depends on intended use. If you're just going to keep it for your own uses without "publishing" it, you *might* be able to get away with it legally. However, if you "publish" it without her permission, that might run into legal problems as they relate to using someone's image without her consent.

I know if some random schmuck took my picture with a camera phone, I'd be pissed off. That can actually bring up security concerns, particularly if someone with a camera phone stands behind you and pretends to yap away on a cell phone whilst taking images of you inputting your PIN number at the ATM.

EDIT: If she explicitly said don't take my picture, I don't see what the problem is with you following that request. That makes me have to ask you, "what part of "no" don't you understand?"

It is only wrong if you don't share the pic with me :D

Okay, I'm risking a ban, AND rising to a troll, but man, you're so clearly an asshole for this post that I would be morally remiss if I didn't point that out to you.

SHE ASKED YOU, SPECIFICALLY, NOT TO TAKE HER PICTURE. "all women say that when they know you have a camera"? I suppose you also think that women ask to be raped, too? How dare you presume to speak for all women and what "they" believe!
By bringing up the rape issue here you've done the same thing that people do who call anyone they don't like Hitler. You've generalized something that shouldn't be.:confused:

Because she had specifically told you not to take her picture, you shouldn't have. Many women, especially attractive women, feel (often rightly so) that they are not taken seriously by men in the workplace because of their looks. This sensitizes women to behaviour that focuses on their looks.

While some women may like having their picture taken, she doesn't, and she made that clear to you. You should have respected her request. Delete the picture and apologize to her.
You do know that in today's society good looking people, especially women, get treated better. :p

I think the issue depends on intended use. If you're just going to keep it for your own uses without "publishing" it, you *might* be able to get away with it legally. However, if you "publish" it without her permission, that might run into legal problems as they relate to using someone's image without her consent.

I know if some random schmuck took my picture with a camera phone, I'd be pissed off. That can actually bring up security concerns, particularly if someone with a camera phone stands behind you and pretends to yap away on a cell phone whilst taking images of you inputting your PIN number at the ATM.

EDIT: If she explicitly said don't take my picture, I don't see what the problem is with you following that request. That makes me have to ask you, "what part of "no" don't you understand?"
Wait at university I was taught that no meant yes. Damn I'm confused. :confused:
Where do you do your banking?

Plator was kind enough to share with me the picture of the "really hot chick at work".:)

What a hottie!!


Plator....I think she is just playing hard to get?


Perhaps for a really good reason?


I think you should go for it Plator::D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/neomoniker/ugly20woman.jpg

That's a pretty thoughtless and in my opinion stupid thing to do, especially if you plan to publish it anywhere. What if she has a crazy ex whom she's trying to avoid?

Also, taking pictures in the workplace can be a violation of company rules, and especially in the context that this was taken in, you could be violating rules against sexual harassment.

After discussing this with another friend, it's also possible that this would fall under "hostile workplace" rules. A workplace is NOT public property, and as this was NOT a newsworthy event, legally, you're on pretty shaky ground. If she finds out and complains, it could easily mean that you lose your job. As it is not anything one could construe as journalistic, if you publish it without both her written permission and the workplace's you could also be in some serious hot water.

By bringing up the rape issue here you've done the same thing that people do who call anyone they don't like Hitler. You've generalized something that shouldn't be.:confused:

I've generalized because you did, sonny boy. You stated that women say they don't want to be photographed when they do and this is the SAME kind of generalization that leads date rapists and oversexed and overindulged frat boys to assume any woman they meet wants sex, even when they say no.

Sorry, but you've lost this one. It isn't an overgeneralization to compare your ignoring a direct request because of your preconceived notion of what "all women" think to rape. It's merely a matter of situation.

I don't care whether you make amends to this woman or not -- I've got no stake in your karma.

Cell phones=EVIL!!!!!!!! I hate them. They have ruined manners. And made some people damn lazy. (And one went of while I was performing my senior solo, Saent-Sans Allegro Appasinato, for cello, I was playing with the symphony)

Cameras=EVIL!!!!!!!! Unless I am behind it or no where in the vicinity. If there is any risk that I will be in the picture, they suck.

Hot Girls=TROUBLE!!!!!!!! Duh.

Conclusion: You sir are just looking for trouble. And you're a sinner.

:fluffle:

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Yes, and did you happen to read the word "suppose"? It's hypothetical. I used that example because it's that kind of "all women think this" attitude that excuses rape in some men's eyes. Yes, it's an extreme example, but it illustrates the potential progression. Assumptions like the OP's are dangerous when left unchallenged.


Are they really? My "thought crime" alarm is ringing right now...


Uh, unless I miss my guess, the OP is not a member of the press.

Big deal! That's even worse, the idea that being a 'member of the press' - i.e a grown up version of Plator - makes you, and only you, allowed to take pictures of people in public. And since Plator is obviously not distributing said picture or using it for commercial gain the problem is entirely ethical (and hypothetical, hence your rape-mindset presumption).

So this chick asks you not to do something. And you do it. Yep, wrong. And If you did that to me you'd get a slap at the least.

I'd say its wrong because she specifically asked you not to.

Pfft, okay. I specifically ask all of NS general not to reply to this post!

And if you do... it's virtually cyber-rape! POLICE!

I think all of this really stems from a superstitious fear of cameras stealing human souls or something.

*knows that she can't reply to above message but thinks poster is insane.*

I think all of this really stems from a superstitious fear of cameras stealing human souls or something.
I think you're right.

About the cameras stealing human souls, that is.

Heh.

I don't see any big deal with people wanting to take pictures of you. I don't care if anyone takes pictures of me(except my mother, because she shows them to people...). If they are taking pictures of me, they obviously want to see me, which doesn't bother me. As long as it goes no further than that, whats the big deal? I could care less if someone wants to stare at a picture of me. I don't see the difference with other people.

I could care less if someone wants to stare at a picture of me. I don't see the difference with other people.


Other people, with different personalities and upbringings find the thought and -thanks to cell phone cameras as plator eloquently showed- real possibility of a guy staring at their photo with their buddies disturbing.

It might not bother you, but this woman has asked that he not take her picture - which he ignored. As the others said - hes on private workplace property, she has said " no " - If your caught and do not erase that pic&apologize - your f*cked.:headbang:

By-the-way I see the rape argument has ground. I mean.. a girl says no and a rapist thinks shes " asking for it " or that she really means " yes" thats what they always say in rape cases right? This girl has told you no, and you said "all-women say that".. It seems like a very childish stance to me, Why not just erase it and apologize to her and spare yourself more lectures?

Other people, with different personalities and upbringings find the thought and -thanks to cell phone cameras as plator eloquently showed- real possibility of a guy staring at their photo with their buddies disturbing.

It might not bother you, but this woman has asked that he not take her picture - which he ignored. As the others said - hes on private workplace property, she has said " no " - If your caught and do not erase that pic&apologize - your f*cked.:headbang:

By-the-way I see the rape argument has ground. I mean.. a girl says no and a rapist thinks shes " asking for it " or that she really means " yes" thats what they always say in rape cases right? This girl has told you no, and you said "all-women say that".. It seems like a very childish stance to me, Why not just erase it and apologize to her and spare yourself more lectures?

I don't see any viability on why people looking at your photo is wrong. If you have a problem, its with yourself, not the picture or whats done with it.

As for the legality of it, I won't get into it, but I will say that I doubt he would get fired over it, if only because his employer wouldn't find out, nor probably care enough to do anything. They would at most probably tell him not to do it again.

Its a slippery slope. "If we let people own guns, then they can own nuclear weapons! If we let gay people marry, soon they will marry dogs!". There is nothing harmful about having your picture taken, with rape, there is quite verifiable harm. I think caring about someone taking your picture is a childish stance, so maybe you should all get off his back, and stop being so superficial.

As for the legality of it, I won't get into it, but I will say that I doubt he would get fired over it, if only because his employer wouldn't find out, nor probably care enough to do anything.

Depends I would guess it'd vary, different bosses have different methods

They would at most probably tell him not to do it again.

Again - depends on the boss.


so maybe you should all get off his back, and stop being so superficial.

If he didn't want opinions - he shouldn't have posted.[ What? Are we suppose to give facts? ]

Superficial :Concerned with or comprehending only what is apparent or obvious; shallow.

Is saying shes hot to all your friends then taking her picture - to show your friends - after shes said she didn't want it taken - we dont know her motive for not wanting a picture taken; could be serious - not shallow?

Depends I would guess it'd vary, different bosses have different methods



Again - depends on the boss.



If he didn't want opinions - he shouldn't have posted.[ What? Are we suppose to give facts? ]

Superficial :Concerned with or comprehending only what is apparent or obvious; shallow.

Is saying shes hot to all your friends then taking her picture - to show your friends - after shes said she didn't want it taken - we dont know her motive for not wanting a picture taken; could be serious - not shallow?

Give him opinions, sure, but they should agree with me :P

It is shallow what he did, but the difference is, he is being happy with his superficiallity, while she is/would be getting sad/mad/etc over it. If you are going to get angry over superficial things, its stupid. Happy with them, thats fine.

Give him opinions, sure, but they should agree with me :P

It is shallow what he did, but the difference is, he is being happy with his superficiallity, while she is/would be getting sad/mad/etc over it. If you are going to get angry over superficial things, its stupid. Happy with them, thats fine.

:rolleyes: Theres no need to get happiness from making others feel sad/mad/ext. Plenty of things make people feel happy -

:rolleyes: Theres no need to get happiness from making others feel sad/mad/ext. Plenty of things make people feel happy -

I'm not talking about getting happiness from the displeasure of others. Nobody is. If you find looking at a hot girl fun, as I and many others do, good for you. But if you get sad that people are looking at you, or angry, you have some issues.

But if you get sad that people are looking at you, or angry, you have some issues.

Its not that people are looking at her - jeez how would she live without total isolation otherwise? - its that she didn't want her picture taken for reasons we dont know, and - he disregarded her wishes and took it anyway which could make her angry. Not because people are looking at her - Because he disregarded her wishes.

I find it rather amusing the reason a number of people have given for it being ok is that they wouldn't mind so no-one should mind

Hmm. Having hot work mates is hard. But I have a gf, so that's just fine heh.
Anyway, you could have just lied to her and gotten the picture.. "Oh, my mum just wants to see who I work with, is it ok if I take a picture?" (could think of something better but meh), and then 'accidentally' show your friends. Then who cares, you have her permission.
But, you didn't do that, so I don't know. I would be angry about it if I was the hot woman, but flattered someone would want to take a photo of me. The fact she said "don't take a photo" could be one of those reversve psychology things, but it probably isn't. So yea, you shuldn't have, but you did. No big deal in my books. She better have been really hot though, no point potentially getting into trouble if shes average :)

Plator was kind enough to share with me the picture of the "really hot chick at work".:)

What a hottie!!


Plator....I think she is just playing hard to get?


Perhaps for a really good reason?


I think you should go for it Plator::D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/neomoniker/ugly20woman.jpg
Thanks CH. I'll show you the photo copy of our asses we did last night - AT THE SAME TIME - later!!!!:fluffle:

That's a pretty thoughtless and in my opinion stupid thing to do, especially if you plan to publish it anywhere. What if she has a crazy ex whom she's trying to avoid?

Also, taking pictures in the workplace can be a violation of company rules, and especially in the context that this was taken in, you could be violating rules against sexual harassment.

After discussing this with another friend, it's also possible that this would fall under "hostile workplace" rules. A workplace is NOT public property, and as this was NOT a newsworthy event, legally, you're on pretty shaky ground. If she finds out and complains, it could easily mean that you lose your job. As it is not anything one could construe as journalistic, if you publish it without both her written permission and the workplace's you could also be in some serious hot water.
Stop putting words in my mouth or in this case my string. I never said I was going to publish it. Shheesh!!!!! All I did was scan her head onto another woman's naked body. Can't a guy have fun anymore. ;)

Cell phones=EVIL!!!!!!!! I hate them. They have ruined manners. And made some people damn lazy. (And one went of while I was performing my senior solo, Saent-Sans Allegro Appasinato, for cello, I was playing with the symphony)

Cameras=EVIL!!!!!!!! Unless I am behind it or no where in the vicinity. If there is any risk that I will be in the picture, they suck.

Hot Girls=TROUBLE!!!!!!!! Duh.

Conclusion: You sir are just looking for trouble. And you're a sinner.

:fluffle:
Hotgirls = trouble than do ugly girls = good?????
Sinner???? Where in the bible does it say not to take pics with a cell phone?

So this chick asks you not to do something. And you do it. Yep, wrong. And If you did that to me you'd get a slap at the least.
Would I get a tickle too!!!!?????

Its not that people are looking at her - jeez how would she live without total isolation otherwise? - its that she didn't want her picture taken for reasons we dont know, and - he disregarded her wishes and took it anyway which could make her angry. Not because people are looking at her - Because he disregarded her wishes.
I told her she gets her pic taken every time she walks in the office building, goes to a bank machine, etc. She said she covers her face. But she smiled. Then she gave me the "f**k me eyes". Oh yeah!!! :rolleyes:

I don't see any big deal with people wanting to take pictures of you. I don't care if anyone takes pictures of me(except my mother, because she shows them to people...). If they are taking pictures of me, they obviously want to see me, which doesn't bother me. As long as it goes no further than that, whats the big deal? I could care less if someone wants to stare at a picture of me. I don't see the difference with other people.

you don't care.

I HATE it when people take pictures of me. Especially if I've already said I don't want my picture taken.

Erase the damn picture and try respecting other people's wishes next time, Plator.

I may have the only experience here...

I was in England a few years ago with my Rugby mates (I'm from Canada) and we're walking down the street in Portsmouth. Now, we're ALOT bigger than anyone else there... so a bunch of 14 year old girls (give or take a year) run up and snaped pictures of us with their "mobiles".

Needless to say I felt raped and violated. So what did I do? I chased them down, beat them up, and threw them over the railing into the ocean. I also then horked a luggie in their general direction. [/storytelling]

But seriously, it was the weirdest moment of my life, and I didn't like it all to much.

I may have the only experience here...

I was in England a few years ago with my Rugby mates (I'm from Canada) and we're walking down the street in Portsmouth. Now, we're ALOT bigger than anyone else there... so a bunch of 14 year old girls (give or take a year) run up and snaped pictures of us with their "mobiles".

Needless to say I felt raped and violated. So what did I do? I chased them down, beat them up, and threw them over the railing into the ocean. I also then horked a luggie in their general direction. [/storytelling]

But seriously, it was the weirdest moment of my life, and I didn't like it all to much.
I've got two buddies who taught in Japan and they told me that women often come up and take pics of them.

Stop putting words in my mouth or in this case my string. I never said I was going to publish it. Shheesh!!!!! All I did was scan her head onto another woman's naked body. Can't a guy have fun anymore. ;)

Where did I put words into your mouth? I said it was stupid especially IF you planned to publish it. I did not say you planned to publish it.

I suggest that you read more carefully.

you don't care.

I HATE it when people take pictures of me. Especially if I've already said I don't want my picture taken.

Erase the damn picture and try respecting other people's wishes next time, Plator.

And if people had valid reasons for not wanting their pictures taken, I could see it being a reasonable request.

Sinner???? Where in the bible does it say not to take pics with a cell phone?
"And Lo, the LORD sayeth that thous shalt not take pictures with a cell phone, for it is pointless. Why do you not useth a camera? Stop using cell phones to taketh pictures damn it!"

-Bob 45:12-14

I think you are all missing the most important point here!



Can we see the picture?

Would I get a tickle too!!!!?????

Only if you're into guys.

I don't like having my picture taken. If you don't know me, you should not take my picture. Period. End of story.

I have my reasons and I don't need justification from anyone else whether my reasons are valid or not. They're valid for me.

I don't like having my picture taken. If you don't know me, you should not take my picture. Period. End of story.

I have my reasons and I don't need justification from anyone else whether my reasons are valid or not. They're valid for me.

Ok, but then nobody needs justification to take your picture without your consent. They don't need valid reasons. They are valid to the photographer.

Ok, but then nobody needs justification to take your picture without your consent. They don't need valid reasons. They are valid to the photographer.

Those reasons may be pervy, but they're still valid.

Thanks CH. I'll show you the photo copy of our asses we did last night - AT THE SAME TIME - later!!!!:fluffle:
Well now, that would be a must see!! So things are "developing" quite nicely?:D

And if people had valid reasons for not wanting their pictures taken, I could see it being a reasonable request.

You want a valid reason?

It's MY privacy you're invading. Twist it however you like. . . if I haven't agreed to it, you shouldn't take a freaking picture.

Ever heard of Blacks Photo Corp? Yeah I work there. You know what we do? Report these kind of images to the Police. Why? Because we have to. Yay? Yay.

You want a valid reason?

It's MY privacy you're invading. Twist it however you like. . . if I haven't agreed to it, you shouldn't take a freaking picture.

You shouldn't have a problem with your freaking picture being taken in the first place! If you have problems with that, you should work on yourself, instead of getting mad at others taking pictures of you. I don't understand people making a big deal out of shit like this, when it doesn't hurt them at all.

If the luchroom is a public space, no. In the public anyone should be able to take pictures of you if they like. In private on the other hand....

I think you are all missing the most important point here!



Can we see the picture?
The pic was burned into my memory so I deleted it from the phone. :(

You shouldn't have a problem with your freaking picture being taken in the first place! If you have problems with that, you should work on yourself, instead of getting mad at others aking pictures of you. I don't understand people making a big deal out of shit like this, when it doesn't hurt them at all.


I don't have a problem with myself. I'm actually satisfied with what I look like, and if others think I don't look good, that's not my problem.

Point being, I don't like my picture being taken. Not by family, not by friends, and certainly not by someone I've said no to taking a picture already.

Only if you're into guys.
DOH!

You want a valid reason?

It's MY privacy you're invading. Twist it however you like. . . if I haven't agreed to it, you shouldn't take a freaking picture.
Better not use a bank machine then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't have a problem with myself. I'm actually satisfied with what I look like, and if others think I don't look good, that's not my problem.

Point being, I don't like my picture being taken. Not by family, not by friends, and certainly not by someone I've said no to taking a picture already.
Soooooo....when you posting your pic here?;)

So was it wrong for me to take a picture of this really hot chick at work (fully clothed in the lunchroom) with my camera even though she didn't know? She really is hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It depends on your employers policy regarding camera phones.

Okay, I'm risking a ban, AND rising to a troll, but man, you're so clearly an asshole for this post that I would be morally remiss if I didn't point that out to you.

SHE ASKED YOU, SPECIFICALLY, NOT TO TAKE HER PICTURE. "all women say that when they know you have a camera"? I suppose you also think that women ask to be raped, too? How dare you presume to speak for all women and what "they" believe!
You have your head up your ass.
Whether she asks him not to or not doesn't matter.
To call it rape is really perverse and psychotic.
If you are in a public place, you have a right to take photos of whatever you want to take photos of.
In a privately owned business, that does not have a high volume of public traffic, it is up to the owner to decide the policy and the rightness or wrongness. Not some high horse fool. I really hate people like you.

Yes, and did you happen to read the word "suppose"? It's hypothetical. I used that example because it's that kind of "all women think this" attitude that excuses rape in some men's eyes. Yes, it's an extreme example, but it illustrates the potential progression. Assumptions like the OP's are dangerous when left unchallenged.



Uh, unless I miss my guess, the OP is not a member of the press.
What the hell?
Dude he doesn't have to be a member of the press. It's called the first amendment. Freedom of the press applies to everyone not just members of the press. But in this case it would only apply if he were to publish the photo.
What he did would be more under freedom of speech.

Pfft, okay. I specifically ask all of NS general not to reply to this post!

And if you do... it's virtually cyber-rape! POLICE!

I think all of this really stems from a superstitious fear of cameras stealing human souls or something.
Actually I agree fully with you.
Some people gave me some shit cause I took a picture of some girl in a public place. (I was taking a picture of a lot of stuff at the time). They screamed pervert and invasion of privacy and what not. Even called the police. I walked away with $30,000 altogether that the judge awarded cause of the harrassment and the violation of my first amendment rights.
No one has bothered me about such things since. Then again I haven't done any photography for awhile. There's not much to photograph in the army. Except for that one sunset, but I didn't have my camera at the time.

Other people, with different personalities and upbringings find the thought and -thanks to cell phone cameras as plator eloquently showed- real possibility of a guy staring at their photo with their buddies disturbing.

It might not bother you, but this woman has asked that he not take her picture - which he ignored. As the others said - hes on private workplace property, she has said " no " - If your caught and do not erase that pic&apologize - your f*cked.:headbang:

By-the-way I see the rape argument has ground. I mean.. a girl says no and a rapist thinks shes " asking for it " or that she really means " yes" thats what they always say in rape cases right? This girl has told you no, and you said "all-women say that".. It seems like a very childish stance to me, Why not just erase it and apologize to her and spare yourself more lectures?
1. Whether she asks him not to or not, is not relevant.

2. What is relevant was that it was on private property and whether he had the consent of the owner of said private property. If not, then what he did was illegal. But if the owner has no camera phone policy, then what he did was not illegal. It all depends if there is a policy in place at his work.

You want a valid reason?

It's MY privacy you're invading. Twist it however you like. . . if I haven't agreed to it, you shouldn't take a freaking picture.

Its privacy only if your in the stall taking a shit or in your bedroom changing or engaging in sexual behavior.
If you are in a public place then you have no right to privacy.

just tell that to the guy in south lake, texas who was arrested for taking pictures in public ;)

of course, his material was questionable, but still. They were photos taken w/o consent.

I told her she gets her pic taken every time she walks in the office building, goes to a bank machine, etc. She said she covers her face. But she smiled. Then she gave me the "f**k me eyes". Oh yeah!!! :rolleyes:


how old are you? 15?

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o, and as far as the ofc bldg and bank machines go... she is giving her consent by walking up to the facilities. If she didn't want them to take her picture, she could have just walked away or not used them. Either way, you clearly violated her consent. And i agree w/ the work place charges.

All right, in an effort to maintain a civil yet intellectual and adult manner about this, I'm going to state several things.

1) Clearly, the girl does not wish to be photographed by yourself. Give her the respect that alone deserves and DON'T PHOTOGRAPH!

2) In regards to workplace harrassment, this would be a legitimate case of sexual harrassment. For example, I was reading the Management Operations Manual for my workplace, and found out (to my surprise) that even something such as a swimsuit calandar can be considered harrassment. Personally, I don't give a care about that, but at the same time, I also understand that there is a need to respect the individual rights of each person working in that place to not have to look at those pictures. A very good example to relate to this would be of that picture that someone posted earlier with the woman who wasn't so outwardly pretty, in terms of what the "world" classifies as beauty.

Keep in mind, I am one of the leading members of my workplace, so I am familiar with a lot of policies regarding harrassments (it happens more times than you may realize, at least around here). I'm not claiming to know everything off the top of my head, but when there is doubt, I go to the Management Operations Manual

3) With these two points in mind, it's quite possible you're breaking the law, (I'll have to check up on this to be sure).

And last but not least, at my university recently, there had been some young male walking around and taking pictures of women's ankles. He continued to do it after repeated efforts to ask him (nicely and not so nicely) to stop. Eventually, the university police and other university officials stepped in to intervene.

So, before you snap that picture, think about ALL the ramifications that such an action can bring. You may find that the consequences are far unfavorable to yourself.

And lastly, as a personal note from myself, Grow up already.

So was it wrong for me to take a picture of this really hot chick at work (fully clothed in the lunchroom) with my camera even though she didn't know? She really is hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, it is not wrong.

and you gotta post that pic! :D :D :D

Soooooo....when you posting your pic here?;)

When you stop making generalizations about women. ;)

just tell that to the guy in south lake, texas who was arrested for taking pictures in public ;)

of course, his material was questionable, but still. They were photos taken w/o consent.
Clearly unconstitutional. His arrest is challengable in federal courts under the first.

All right, in an effort to maintain a civil yet intellectual and adult manner about this, I'm going to state several things.

1) Clearly, the girl does not wish to be photographed by yourself. Give her the respect that alone deserves and DON'T PHOTOGRAPH!

2) In regards to workplace harrassment, this would be a legitimate case of sexual harrassment. For example, I was reading the Management Operations Manual for my workplace, and found out (to my surprise) that even something such as a swimsuit calandar can be considered harrassment. Personally, I don't give a care about that, but at the same time, I also understand that there is a need to respect the individual rights of each person working in that place to not have to look at those pictures. A very good example to relate to this would be of that picture that someone posted earlier with the woman who wasn't so outwardly pretty, in terms of what the "world" classifies as beauty.

Keep in mind, I am one of the leading members of my workplace, so I am familiar with a lot of policies regarding harrassments (it happens more times than you may realize, at least around here). I'm not claiming to know everything off the top of my head, but when there is doubt, I go to the Management Operations Manual

3) With these two points in mind, it's quite possible you're breaking the law, (I'll have to check up on this to be sure).

And last but not least, at my university recently, there had been some young male walking around and taking pictures of women's ankles. He continued to do it after repeated efforts to ask him (nicely and not so nicely) to stop. Eventually, the university police and other university officials stepped in to intervene.

So, before you snap that picture, think about ALL the ramifications that such an action can bring. You may find that the consequences are far unfavorable to yourself.

And lastly, as a personal note from myself, Grow up already.
As for workplace, again that is up to the owner of the workplace.
As for the university, if it is public university, unless they are in the rest room or locker room they have no reasonable expectation of privacy.
Nor do they have the right to demand that someone, like Mr. Plator, not photograph them. They can ask but it is up to Mr. Platorm, to decide if he is going to comply or not.
Now if it is private university, it is covered by different rules and it is up to the university's governing board.
Now for the officials at your university to have acted, it would have had to have been a private university otherwise the actions taken, if it was a public university, were actually quite unconstitutional and a violation of the young man's civil rights.

All right, in an effort to maintain a civil yet intellectual and adult manner about this, I'm going to state several things.

1) Clearly, the girl does not wish to be photographed by yourself. Give her the respect that alone deserves and DON'T PHOTOGRAPH!

2) In regards to workplace harrassment, this would be a legitimate case of sexual harrassment. For example, I was reading the Management Operations Manual for my workplace, and found out (to my surprise) that even something such as a swimsuit calandar can be considered harrassment. Personally, I don't give a care about that, but at the same time, I also understand that there is a need to respect the individual rights of each person working in that place to not have to look at those pictures. A very good example to relate to this would be of that picture that someone posted earlier with the woman who wasn't so outwardly pretty, in terms of what the "world" classifies as beauty.

Keep in mind, I am one of the leading members of my workplace, so I am familiar with a lot of policies regarding harrassments (it happens more times than you may realize, at least around here). I'm not claiming to know everything off the top of my head, but when there is doubt, I go to the Management Operations Manual

3) With these two points in mind, it's quite possible you're breaking the law, (I'll have to check up on this to be sure).

And last but not least, at my university recently, there had been some young male walking around and taking pictures of women's ankles. He continued to do it after repeated efforts to ask him (nicely and not so nicely) to stop. Eventually, the university police and other university officials stepped in to intervene.

So, before you snap that picture, think about ALL the ramifications that such an action can bring. You may find that the consequences are far unfavorable to yourself.

And lastly, as a personal note from myself, Grow up already.
As for workplace, again that is up to the owner of the workplace.
As for the university, if it is public university, unless they are in the rest room or locker room they have no reasonable expectation of privacy.
Nor do they have the right to demand that someone, like Mr. Plator, not photograph them. They can ask but it is up to Mr. Platorm, to decide if he is going to comply or not.
Now if it is private university, it is covered by different rules and it is up to the university's governing board.
Now for the officials at your university to have acted, it would have had to have been a private university otherwise the actions taken, if it was a public university, were actually quite unconstitutional and a violation of the young man's civil rights.

It's okay if she's hot.

However, taking pictures of fat ugly women is just plain sick.






/sorry

Clearly unconstitutional. His arrest is challengable in federal courts under the first.

so taking pictures of little kids and certain parts of women's bodies w/o their consent is considered a constitutional right?

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that's funny -- http://www.dallas.org/node/97 i remember the part where he was arrested made the news, but not this part.

either way, there is a law in texas apparently against taking photographs w/o consent.

how old are you? 15?

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o, and as far as the ofc bldg and bank machines go... she is giving her consent by walking up to the facilities. If she didn't want them to take her picture, she could have just walked away or not used them. Either way, you clearly violated her consent. And i agree w/ the work place charges.
I'm older than my teeth and the same age as my tongue. :eek:

1. Whether she asks him not to or not, is not relevant.

2. What is relevant was that it was on private property and whether he had the consent of the owner of said private property. If not, then what he did was illegal. But if the owner has no camera phone policy, then what he did was not illegal. It all depends if there is a policy in place at his work.

I'm quoting you, but this refers to pretty much everyone here...

Just because it is within your rights, doesn't necessarilly mean it isn't wrong.

(Waits for anti-relgion trolling to pop up)

Sincerely,

Number III

so taking pictures of little kids and certain parts of women's bodies w/o their consent is considered a constitutional right?

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that's funny -- http://www.dallas.org/node/97 i remember the part where he was arrested made the news, but not this part.

either way, there is a law in texas apparently against taking photographs w/o consent.

Just because the legislature makes a law, does not mean the law trumps the constitution. Legislators are humans and make mistakes when they pass laws. In fact, if the legislators in this case had read this law, they most likely would not have voted for it. I say if they had read it, because most legislators do not read the laws they vote on.

Note in your link:
""I'm not surprised the case was dismissed. I think what happened here was that the legislature passed a law that was vague and overbroad and then a police officer took that law and used it arbitrarily and wound up causing great harm to a citizen here in our community," said Lance Evans, Vogel's attorney."

Basically what they did was blindly pass a law where if you photographed even your own sister you would be jailed for it. Underscores the need for us to elect legislators who will actually read stuff before they vote on it.

It should be noted that he got a public apology. And it is likely the officers involved received reprimands.

I'm quoting you, but this refers to pretty much everyone here...

Just because it is within your rights, doesn't necessarilly mean it isn't wrong.

(Waits for anti-relgion trolling to pop up)

Sincerely,

Number III
But what your doing is making an unenforceable value statement rather than an enforceable legal statement.
Your free to hold whatever religious values you want, but you can't use your values to violate the supreme rights of others.