NationStates Jolt Archive

1. Resurrect the late Mayor Richard J. Daley.
2. Get together a couple thousand Chicago Policemen (with their infamous baby blue riot gear.)
3. Send them over to France, make sure the CPD has nightsticks.

THis would work, but I realized the late Mayor wouldn't be able to do anything so we can send his son, Richard M. Daley, current mayor of Chicago. (assuming he's sobered up from the World Series win.)

Believe me, the CPD know how to deal with rioters and the people in France would be scared shitless of them and would never riot again. After all, Chicago hasn't seen one in almost 40 years thanks to their police.
http://www.hiphappy.com/hippy_lifestyle_legacy/pictures/chicago_3.jpgChicago's finest taking care of business. (OK I know the 1968 DNC riot isn't a laughing matter, but damn did that PD show power.)

1. Resurrect the late Mayor Richard J. Daley.
2. Get together a couple thousand Chicago Policemen (with their infamous baby blue riot gear.)
3. Send them over to France, make sure the CPD has nightsticks.

THis would work, but I realized the late Mayor wouldn't be able to do anything so we can send his son, Richard M. Daley, current mayor of Chicago. (assuming he's sobered up from the World Series win.)

Believe me, the CPD know how to deal with rioters and the people in France would be scared shitless of them and would never riot again. After all, Chicago hasn't seen one in almost 40 years thanks to their police.

Nah. Just fire some grapeshot into the crowds. Worked for Napoleon....

I imagine liberty, equallty and fraternity for all is out of the question?

This has had some success with violent protestors in the past.

http://www.battlefield-site.co.uk/slr.gif

Really, the french should try it. (Actually I am betting that they will at some point).

This has had some success with violent protestors in the past.

http://www.battlefield-site.co.uk/slr.gif

Really, the french should try it. (Actually I am betting that they will at some point).No argument here, except I expect their police would drop it and run.

No argument here, except I expect their police would drop it and run.

See the trick with the french - as Napolean well knew - is that you have to nail their feet to the deck before the fighting starts.

If you do that then they are forced to use their guns, and are actually not bad, (Look at Algeria).

Anyway, gunning down poorly armed north africans is a speciality of the french. It'd be just like old times. I imagine that they would be terribly pleased.

http://www.defense-update.com/images/leclerc-1.jpg
It's not like they don't have the capability to put down anything they want - so far they just haven't put it to use. Don't ask me why.

But rest assured that French Police and the French military will not run - they're not running in Afghanistan and Haiti alongside their US comrades, nor did they run in 1968 when they put down the riots.

http://www.defense-update.com/images/leclerc-1.jpg


Hahaha. Oh wow. The Leclerc. Possibly one of the worst MBT's in use today. IMO the French would be better off with some Leopard II's or Challenger II's.

It's not like they don't have the capability to put down anything they want - so far they just haven't put it to use. Don't ask me why.


They don't want to start killing people in the streets?

Hahaha. Oh wow. The Leclerc. Possibly one of the worst MBT's in use today. IMO the French would be better off with some Leopard II's or Challenger II's.
Or M1A2s

Hahaha. Oh wow. The Leclerc. Possibly one of the worst MBT's in use today. IMO the French would be better off with some Leopard II's or Challenger II's.

Rioters aren't that much of a challange.

They don't want to start killing people in the streets?

A famous leftist once observed that you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Or M1A2s

I suggested European tanks because I have a feeling they wouldn't take to using a "Yankee" built tank. And besides, they're pretty friendly with Germany.

Open fire on them, a few people dying would be better than allowing this continue. Once these north african invaders see that europeans won't take their rioting anymore, they will stop. Then once the riot is put down, round them all up and send them back to Algeria. Ban them from Europe.

If France doesnt get its act together, it will turn into a Islamic Eropean nation, just like Spain from the 700s into the 1400s.

Or M1A2s
[Childish pride on produce of place of birth] Hihihihihi...no. [/Childish pride on produce of place of birth]

But seriously, I don't think it makes a difference if you're facing youths with baseball bats.

And besides, do you think those kids are that suicidal that they would go out and riot when there's the military standing outside their door?

If France doesnt get its act together, it will turn into a Islamic Eropean nation, just like Spain from the 700s into the 1400s.
Also note that Moorish Spain was the most advanced and free civilisation on the continent...

[Childish pride on produce of place of birth] Hihihihihi...no. [/Childish pride on produce of place of birth]

But seriously, I don't think it makes a difference if you're facing youths with baseball bats.

And besides, do you think those kids are that suicidal that they would go out and riot when there's the military standing outside their door?
In this case it doesn't make a difference. The Leopard II is a great tank, I'd say it can beat any tank 1 on 1 EXCEPT the Abrams. The Abrams has amazing depleted uranium armor that has allowed them to take direct hits and continue on in battle.

In this case it doesn't make a difference. The Leopard II is a great tank, I'd say it can beat any tank 1 on 1 EXCEPT the Abrams. The Abrams has amazing depleted uranium armor that has allowed them to take direct hits and continue on in battle.

So does the Challenger II.

or how about we stop talking about massacaring people...?

or how about we stop talking about massacaring people...?

Whats the fun in that?

or how about we stop talking about massacaring people...?
It's time for the fucking hammer to come down.

[Childish pride on produce of place of birth] Hihihihihi...no. [/Childish pride on produce of place of birth]

But seriously, I don't think it makes a difference if you're facing youths with baseball bats.

And besides, do you think those kids are that suicidal that they would go out and riot when there's the military standing outside their door?
Most of the "fair-weather" rioters will run, leaving a few die-hards that probably should've been rounded up before this began.

And the Challenger has slightly better armor then the M1A2 but the Abrams has better C&C link-up system for unit control IIRC. Not that it matters much; most Western tanks are good enough that the victor is the first person to get a shot off.

or how about we stop talking about massacaring people...?

Umm...let me think.... NO!

They sowed the wind &c.

Also note that Moorish Spain was the most advanced and free civilisation on the continent...

They were. However, he's saying that France'd go back to that time -- the 700s. They were advanced for their time, but not today.

How 'bout water cannon and dogs? Traditional and effective, without tearing up the asphalt with tank treads. :)

Western tanks are good enough that the victor is the first person to get a shot off.
VERY true.

So does the Challenger II.
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm

http://members.tripod.com/collinsj/protect.htm
And the Leopard's Armour is rated just as good as the Abrams' and Challenger's without using any of that nasty stuff. The Leclerc a little less.

So in conclusion - all tanks kick arse, and all of them could put down a riot if needed.

How 'bout water cannon and dogs? Traditional and effective, without tearing up the asphalt with tank treads. :)

Water cannons are fun. :)

Actually there have been riots in Chicago since that time.

Anyone want to ask Mr. W. Axl Rose about that one?

And the Challenger has slightly better armor then the M1A2 but the Abrams has better C&C link-up system for unit control IIRC. Not that it matters much; most Western tanks are good enough that the victor is the first person to get a shot off.

How about the Crusader (before it was cancelled)? Wasn't that supposed to be the new king of tanks or something..? I always wondered about that.

Actually there have been riots in Chicago since that time.

Anyone want to ask Mr. W. Axl Rose about that one?
OK, but that is because a Daley wasn't in charge of the city to sic the Chicago Police Department on them.

They were. However, he's saying that France'd go back to that time -- the 700s. They were advanced for their time, but not today.
I'm just saying that a Muslim country doesn't have to be regressive...there is nothing in the Koran that says you can't have a good life as long as you stick to a few rules.

Ultimately the problem isn't the religion, it's the people who do the interpreting, and at this time most of those people have worrying tendencies.

Hahaha. Oh wow. The Leclerc. Possibly one of the worst MBT's in use today. IMO the French would be better off with some Leopard II's or Challenger II's.
Against standard protestors

I hardly think the advantages in thoes other tankes matter in that sort of matchup

Against standard protestors

I hardly think the advantages in thoes other tankes matter in that sort of matchup

Hell, maybe they could borrow some of the tanks that were veterans at Tienamen(sp?) Square. I hear protesters are hard to clean out of tank treads!

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm

http://members.tripod.com/collinsj/protect.htm
And the Leopard's Armour is rated just as good as the Abrams' and Challenger's without using any of that nasty stuff. The Leclerc a little less.

So in conclusion - all tanks kick arse, and all of them could put down a riot if needed.

Yeah, actually, out of the M1A2, Leopard and Challenger, there really isn't much to pick. But given that the Challenger is built only fifteen miles from where I grew up, I have to go with it.

I will say this though. Because the M1A2 uses a gas turbine, its really hot exhaust probably makes it the least effective in an urban patrol setting, owing to the burns it could give any supporting infantry.

I will say this though. Because the M1A2 uses a gas turbine, its really hot exhaust probably makes it the least effective in an urban patrol setting, owing to the burns it could give any supporting infantry.

Well it was never designed to do that. If you remember the plans were drawn up for a tank that was designed to fight in the plains of Europe against Soviet tanks.

Well it was never designed to do that. If you remember the plans were drawn up for a tank that was designed to fight in the plains of Europe against Soviet tanks.

Oh indeed, and the extra speed it gets from a gas turbine would be key in that case. I am just saying for riot supression, not my first choice.

To be honest, I wouldn't use tanks at all. Just infantry, unhampered by rules of engagement. That usually ends the party right there. Tanks are better at stopping it from starting, than actually putting it down.

Oh indeed, and the extra speed it gets from a gas turbine would be key in that case. I am just saying for riot supression, not my first choice.

To be honest, I wouldn't use tanks at all. Just infantry, unhampered by rules of engagement. That usually ends the party right there. Tanks are better at stopping it from starting, than actually putting it down.

I agree, however if I were going to pick a tank for crowd-control/riot suppression I'd go with the Israeli Merkava. A tank that built for urban environments. As a plus it comes with room for troops!

Oh indeed, and the extra speed it gets from a gas turbine would be key in that case. I am just saying for riot supression, not my first choice.

To be honest, I wouldn't use tanks at all. Just infantry, unhampered by rules of engagement. That usually ends the party right there. Tanks are better at stopping it from starting, than actually putting it down.
You know whats even better ... fuel air explosives

I agree, however if I were going to pick a tank for crowd-control/riot suppression I'd go with the Israeli Merkava. A tank that built for urban environments. As a plus it comes with room for troops!

Oooh. Good call.

You know whats even better ... fuel air explosives

Prettier. From a thosand feet above anyway.

I haven't heard a death toll yet. How many have died so far in the riots?

You know whats even better ... fuel air explosives

Nah, too much property damage.

Marching volley fire into the crowd from well trained infantry. It's a time tested method.

Nah, too much property damage.

Marching volley fire into the crowd from well trained infantry. It's a time tested method.
I was talking for coolness factor