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What is love?

Dakini
07-11-2005, 23:33
While I thought I'd been in love before, I'm left thinking that perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps I'd miscalculated, despite wanting to wait until certainty to say anything... I really opened my mouth not knowing what love really is.
How does one know it's love? You're always told you'll just know, but then in retrospect, it's not so certain.
Is it actually possible to fall out of love? Is love defined by the characteristic of beign lifelong/eternal? Or can it be love if it fades and dies before you do?
China3
07-11-2005, 23:37
If i remember rightly love is an emotion, an emotion of ecstasy, this emotion is induced chemically when receptors catch those littlle um(crap forgot their name).... and transmit the message the the neuron networks of your brain. You then feel extreme pleasure and happines.
Maineiacs
07-11-2005, 23:37
In my experience, knowing when you're in love isn't difficult. It's knowing for sure if the other person is in love with you that's tricky.
Damor
07-11-2005, 23:37
Love is what you make of it.

If all else fails it's a bunch of chemicals in the brain and coursing through your veins. At least that much can be scientifically determined.
Aplastaland
07-11-2005, 23:39
What is love?

Ain't it a song?

What is love/
baby don't hurt me/
dont hurt me,
no more
Willamena
07-11-2005, 23:39
Love is an immaterial force that binds biological beings together. It makes the one into the many.
Eutrusca
07-11-2005, 23:40
While I thought I'd been in love before, I'm left thinking that perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps I'd miscalculated, despite wanting to wait until certainty to say anything... I really opened my mouth not knowing what love really is.
How does one know it's love? You're always told you'll just know, but then in retrospect, it's not so certain.
Is it actually possible to fall out of love? Is love defined by the characteristic of beign lifelong/eternal? Or can it be love if it fades and dies before you do?
Love is a decision.
Halberdgardia
07-11-2005, 23:43
If anyone truly knew the answer to that question, then life would be so much easier.
Grainne Ni Malley
07-11-2005, 23:44
Ain't it a song?

What is love/
baby don't hurt me/
dont hurt me,
no more

Hey, I knew the guy who sings that!

Love is an entirely unconditional feeling wherein you would do anything for that which you love. As in: "Man, I really love purple. I would die for that color!"
Fass
07-11-2005, 23:45
Ain't it a song?

What is love/
baby don't hurt me/
dont hurt me,
no more

Dang! Beat me to it.

*bobs head sideways like in the SNL sketch*
Damor
07-11-2005, 23:45
If anyone truly knew the answer to that question, then life would be so much easier.I dunno, he/she might never tell, or go mad from knowing.

love is ..
.. all you need

(must be dozens of old songs we can rehash)
Swimmingpool
07-11-2005, 23:46
Love is a decision.
As the NS resident "wise old owl" I expected more than this from you.
Uber Awesome
07-11-2005, 23:46
Wow! Six (or whatever) posts and no-one's submitted a nauseating poem as an answer. This is promising.

For my answer, I'd like to suggest an addiction to the company of a certain person. Maybe more than one person. However, this doesn't explain why it makes people like heart balloons and that other rubbish. Quite a mystery.
Eutrusca
07-11-2005, 23:46
If anyone truly knew the answer to that question, then life would be so much easier.
Love is a decision you make, sometimes on a moment-by-moment basis.
Spartiala
07-11-2005, 23:46
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/movies/images/nightattheroxbury.jpg
Damor
07-11-2005, 23:53
Wow! Six (or whatever) posts and no-one's submitted a nauseating poem as an answer. This is promising.

For my answer, I'd like to suggest an addiction to the company of a certain person. Maybe more than one person. However, this doesn't explain why it makes people like heart balloons and that other rubbish. Quite a mystery.Well, addiction is strangely appropriate, as it does make people 'high' (also physiologically). Which might explain the hearts, ballons and other rubbish. They're just stoned out of their mind with love.
The Mindset
07-11-2005, 23:58
I do remember reading somewhere (I'm afraid I have no source, sorry) that "love" is a chemical reaction that only lasts three years, then wears off. So, yes, it's theoretically, biologically possible to 'fall out of love.' Apparently.
Saladish
08-11-2005, 00:02
I remember the first time I thought I was in love, and well I had very strong feeling for the person for about a year and a half and then those emotions went away, I guess you could call that falling out of love, I did, but right now I'd have to say I still don't know what love is.
Damor
08-11-2005, 00:03
I do remember reading somewhere (I'm afraid I have no source, sorry) that "love" is a chemical reaction that only lasts three years, then wears off. So, yes, it's theoretically, biologically possible to 'fall out of love.' Apparently.That depends on what sort of love you're talking about. There are at least two; I don't think english has seperate words for it, but some languages do.
In any case, there's the one sort to get people together (the +/- 3 year variety), and another that forms a lasting bond (which is similar to mother-child love)
Fass
08-11-2005, 00:06
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/movies/images/nightattheroxbury.jpg

Haha! I'm gonna have to watch it again now!
Aplastaland
08-11-2005, 00:07
I do remember reading somewhere (I'm afraid I have no source, sorry) that "love" is a chemical reaction that only lasts three years, then wears off. So, yes, it's theoretically, biologically possible to 'fall out of love.' Apparently.

Yes, I heard it too, but it was specifically in the case of women.
Czardas
08-11-2005, 00:11
The correct answer is, "I don't know."

;)
Grainne Ni Malley
08-11-2005, 00:13
http://rds.yahoo.com/;_ylt=AkYv0_Svhh8YqjuNFQxaIiVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBxNDg4a2JqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTUEc2VjA3Ny/SIG=11taqmu8f/EXP=1131491521/**http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLove
Uber Awesome
08-11-2005, 00:14
It's kind of funny that people have made a holiday, songs and poems about a concept that is so undefined. Not funny "ha ha", just stupid.
Glitziness
08-11-2005, 00:19
I don't think there is one universal definition of love. It varies for different people and in different relationships. I love my family and my friends but each person that I love, I love in a different way.

Just because you feel something more strongly, or in a different way, for another person doesn't mean you didn't love the original person. You're never going to feel exactly the same way about two people and relationships would be so dull if you did.

If you thought you loved someone at the time then that means you felt a certain way about them and decided to call it love and that's that really. Unless you can see that you were lying to yourself, I don't buy anyone saying "Oh, you didn't really love them."

Personally, there are lots of things I associate with love but don't necessarily indicate love: Accepting them. Not loving them despite their flaws but actually loving their "flaws". Them making me happy. Wanting to make them happy. Wanting to spend all my time with them. Thinking about them basically all the time. Them giving my life reason.

A lot of it is simply a feeling you get when you think about them or are with them. I don't think you can ever describe that emotion well enough.

I'd say that one big part of it, at least for me, is when their happiness is more important to me than my own. I think that's part of true love. When you'd give them up and bring yourself sadness if it would mean that they could be happy.

I've never really been bothered with labelling how I feel about people. I just feel the way I do and being able to define it won't change it in any way. Being able to describe what a person means to you in how they affect your life, what you'd do for them, how they make you feel, memories you treasure etc has much more meaning (IMO) than simply saying "I love you" as well.

I have a feeling that a lot of that made no sense....
Dakini
08-11-2005, 00:19
Love is a decision.
How do you know when it's the right decision?
Czardas
08-11-2005, 00:20
I have a feeling that a lot of that made no sense....
Nothing ever does anyway. You're ok there.
Branin
08-11-2005, 00:24
Love is a bond. A feeling. And different for each person.
Eutrusca
08-11-2005, 00:26
How do you know when it's the right decision?
You don't. As with any decision, you make the best judgement call you can at the time and hope you did right. By "deciding to love someone," I don't mean just reason without feelings. The feelings usually come first. But once the feelings come, make sure you make a conscious decision that this is the person you want to love. Reason without feelings is dead. Feelings without reason are dangerous.
The Tribes Of Longton
08-11-2005, 00:27
Ain't it a song?

What is love/
baby don't hurt me/
dont hurt me,
no more
I had EXACTLY the same idea. I was even sat here, humming the tune when I saw the thread.

*is really creeped out*
Frangland
08-11-2005, 00:28
Love is a many-splendored thing
Amoebistan
08-11-2005, 00:29
I recall that last week my PhysioPsych lecturer suggested that love has three parts to it: lust, attraction and attachment. All three are mediated by different systems - lust by endocrine hormones connected to the gonads, mostly testosterone; attraction by the central nervous system, much of the activity in the forebrain; and attachment by oxytocin and other such hormones that affect... well, a little of everything.
Eutrusca
08-11-2005, 00:29
I had EXACTLY the same idea. I was even sat here, humming the tune when I saw the thread.

*is really creeped out*
You're too easily creeped out. :D
Aplastaland
08-11-2005, 00:30
I had EXACTLY the same idea. I was even sat here, humming the tune when I saw the thread.

*is really creeped out*

You know; love, extra-sensorial communication; these experiences do exist... :p
Eutrusca
08-11-2005, 00:31
I recall that last week my PhysioPsych lecturer suggested that love has three parts to it: lust, attraction and attachment. All three are mediated by different systems - lust by endocrine hormones connected to the gonads, mostly testosterone; attraction by the central nervous system, much of the activity in the forebrain; and attachment by oxytocin and other such hormones that affect... well, a little of everything.
Which isn't a bad description, as far as it goes. It sounds almost like a physiologist's description of a hormonal cascade, and totally discounts any engagement of reason and intentionality.
Eutrusca
08-11-2005, 00:32
Love is a many-splendored thing
And you never met a platitude you didn't like. :D
Dakini
08-11-2005, 00:34
I recall that last week my PhysioPsych lecturer suggested that love has three parts to it: lust, attraction and attachment. All three are mediated by different systems - lust by endocrine hormones connected to the gonads, mostly testosterone; attraction by the central nervous system, much of the activity in the forebrain; and attachment by oxytocin and other such hormones that affect... well, a little of everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love#Phases
That's like what they describe here.
The Tribes Of Longton
08-11-2005, 00:38
You know; love, extra-sensorial communication; these experiences do exist... :p
You just gave me the perfect idea for a thesis; are pheromones linked to possible ESP?
Aplastaland
08-11-2005, 00:40
You just gave me the perfect idea for a thesis; are pheromones linked to possible ESP?

It is an excellent explanation, it isn't?

Ps.: Remember who gave you the fame! :D
Evilness and Chaos
08-11-2005, 01:13
When it's love, you know it.

You always do.
Dakini
08-11-2005, 02:07
When it's love, you know it.

You always do.
In retrospect it doesn't seem like it was right...
Sdaeriji
08-11-2005, 02:08
In retrospect it doesn't seem like it was right...

It IS possible to fall out of love, you know. It might have been love at one point and then gradually stopped being love later on.
Dakini
08-11-2005, 02:20
It IS possible to fall out of love, you know. It might have been love at one point and then gradually stopped being love later on.
*sigh*

Why can't these sorts of things be simple?
Deep Kimchi
08-11-2005, 02:21
While I thought I'd been in love before, I'm left thinking that perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps I'd miscalculated, despite wanting to wait until certainty to say anything... I really opened my mouth not knowing what love really is.
How does one know it's love? You're always told you'll just know, but then in retrospect, it's not so certain.
Is it actually possible to fall out of love? Is love defined by the characteristic of beign lifelong/eternal? Or can it be love if it fades and dies before you do?

I didn't figure out what love was until I was 41. If I tell you what I know, you will owe me big time - I'm talking "first born children" owe me.
Sdaeriji
08-11-2005, 02:21
*sigh*

Why can't these sorts of things be simple?

You want the cliched answer?

Because then it wouldn't be worth it.
Dakini
08-11-2005, 02:27
You want the cliched answer?

Because then it wouldn't be worth it.
I'm not exactly sure how all the heartache and confusion makes it more worth it.
Uber Awesome
08-11-2005, 02:28
I'm not exactly sure how all the heartache and confusion makes it more worth it.

What exactly is supposed to be "worth it" about love anyway?
Sdaeriji
08-11-2005, 02:30
I'm not exactly sure how all the heartache and confusion makes it more worth it.

If it were easy, then you wouldn't appreciate it as much.

I really don't know. That's really just what the Hallmark cards say. I personally find that love hurts more than anything else I can imagine, but it doesn't stop me from falling in love time and time again, knowing I'll be hurt in the end. In fact, I'm going through that very same thing right now. There has to be some reason why I do it though, right?
Dakini
08-11-2005, 02:31
What exactly is supposed to be "worth it" about love anyway?
I'm not sure.

If it is what I've thought it to be, it does make you happy for a while.

Until the whole heart being trampled on by someone being inconsiderate part.
Sdaeriji
08-11-2005, 02:32
I'm not sure.

If it is what I've thought it to be, it does make you happy for a while.

Until the whole heart being trampled on by someone being inconsiderate part.

Surely you have had some good experiences with love, no?
Dakini
08-11-2005, 02:33
If it were easy, then you wouldn't appreciate it as much.

I really don't know. That's really just what the Hallmark cards say. I personally find that love hurts more than anything else I can imagine, but it doesn't stop me from falling in love time and time again, knowing I'll be hurt in the end. In fact, I'm going through that very same thing right now. There has to be some reason why I do it though, right?
Fair enough.
Czardas
08-11-2005, 02:34
I'm not exactly sure how all the heartache and confusion makes it more worth it.
Nothing makes "it" worth anything, because "it" doesn't really exist... :rolleyes:
Dakini
08-11-2005, 02:36
Surely you have had some good experiences with love, no?
Yes, but when I look back I find I was being an idiot a lot of the time.

Plus I have this whole situation now where I'm not sure I love my boyfriend anymore. I care about him and all, but I don't know that I want to be with him. We had fought a lot but now things are all better, we get along and all... but I don't know if the feelings are still there.

I also may be falling for one of my friends.

Yes, feel free to cue some cheesy soap opera music about now.
Sdaeriji
08-11-2005, 02:37
Yes, but when I look back I find I was being an idiot a lot of the time.

Plus I have this whole situation now where I'm not sure I love my boyfriend anymore. I care about him and all, but I don't know that I want to be with him. We had fought a lot but now things are all better, we get along and all... but I don't know if the feelings are still there.

I also may be falling for one of my friends.

Yes, feel free to cue some cheesy soap opera music about now.

Is this the friend you were getting jealous because he had a girlfriend?
Kiwi-kiwi
08-11-2005, 02:39
I think that love... is a connection between people. Every person you meet (and I mean actually meet and talk to), you form a connection to. Some of these connections will fade with time if you stop contacting the person, some will be negative and some will be positive, and with time and contact these bonds will deepen.

If you start a positive connection with someone and keep in contact with them, the connection can develop into like, and these people are your casual friends, the ones that you talk and hang out with every-so-often, maybe just the group of people you tend to spend time with at school or work, or some other regular social event. With some of the casual friends you make you'll spend more time with them and share more with them and then your connection can deepen into great affection and even love, and these are your really close friends. People tend to form similar, deep connections of love with family.

The same thing can happen in reverse, starting with a negative connection that deepens to make someone a fierce enemy.

With romantic love... I don't even know. It's another deep connection, similiar to bonds of love for friends and family, but not entirely alike. Most people would give it the progression starting with lust, moving to like, and then on to love. However, I can't really accept that as the formula for romantic love since that would mean that I can't love anyone as anything other than friend or family, even though I have a person that I feel for differently than any of my other friends. What I feel for her I'd like to consider romantic love, but I don't lust after her (or anyone) at all.

Then again, none of that really matters and people probably care too much about what might or might not be love. Just go with what you feel, and if what you feel changes or fades, go with it. People are everchanging beings, after all, and just because you don't feel something now doesn't mean that it was any way less real or true at the time.
Terrorist Cakes
08-11-2005, 02:43
"Love is a poem,
written on my gravestone,
and reflected in your eyes."
-Hali Farrel
Dakini
08-11-2005, 02:44
Is this the friend you were getting jealous because he had a girlfriend?
No. I just had a teensy little crush on him. :$

This is a guy I've been friends with forever, we dated briefly and have been talking a lot more recently... I dunno. I really think there's something still there, on both ends. The timing was crappy last time...
Sdaeriji
08-11-2005, 02:48
No.

This is a guy I've been friends with forever, we dated briefly and have been talking a lot more recently... I dunno. I really think there's something still there, on both ends. The timing was crappy last time...

I would say that it's a pretty good indication that you're no longer in love with your boyfriend if you have greater feelings for another guy. As long as you're sure that you have real feelings for this other guy and it's not some passing fancy, I would say go for it. It seems pretty evident to me that things with your boyfriend aren't going to work out (following your string of threads about the whole ordeal a few months ago), so I say you explore other options now. The worst thing you can do to yourself and your boyfriend is stay in the relationship when your heart isn't in it.
Dakini
08-11-2005, 02:52
I would say that it's a pretty good indication that you're no longer in love with your boyfriend if you have greater feelings for another guy. As long as you're sure that you have real feelings for this other guy and it's not some passing fancy, I would say go for it. It seems pretty evident to me that things with your boyfriend aren't going to work out (following your string of threads about the whole ordeal a few months ago), so I say you explore other options now. The worst thing you can do to yourself and your boyfriend is stay in the relationship when your heart isn't in it.
But how do I know that things won't get better between he and I? I dunno. This whole thing is stupid. I should just get the hell out of relationships or something. They never turn out well.
Sdaeriji
08-11-2005, 02:55
But how do I know that things won't get better between he and I? I dunno. This whole thing is stupid. I should just get the hell out of relationships or something. They never turn out well.

I don't know, and neither do I. That's part of the risk. You'll never really know unless you stay in the relationship indefinately, and then you'll never know what could have been with you and this other gentleman.

Don't give up on love because of this, though. I'd hate for you to become one of those joyless old ladies who has no family or friends when she gets older because she refused to get married or have a family or anything.
Dakini
08-11-2005, 02:57
I don't know, and neither do I. That's part of the risk. You'll never really know unless you stay in the relationship indefinately, and then you'll never know what could have been with you and this other gentleman.

Don't give up on love because of this, though. I'd hate for you to become one of those joyless old ladies who has no family or friends when she gets older because she refused to get married or have a family or anything.
I can have cats.

Cats are like family.
Sdaeriji
08-11-2005, 02:58
I can have cats.

Cats are like family.

Oh no, don't be crazy old cat lady. That's even worse. =P
Maineiacs
08-11-2005, 03:04
Oh no, don't be crazy old cat lady. That's even worse. =P

No, what's worse is wanting love and being constantly denied it. Seriously, while you see a chance, take it.
Dakini
08-11-2005, 03:04
Oh no, don't be crazy old cat lady. That's even worse. =P
Well, I'd only have like... 2.... or 3....

Though to be honest, if I didn't get married, I'd probably end up going to a sperm bank or something and end up with some kids that way.
KiwioStarz
08-11-2005, 03:05
Love is a decision.

I totally agree. And I would know, becaue I'm sixteen. :p Can you even be in love when you're 16? There can't be like a set age limit to when you can be in love can there? Or maybe you can but its just a foolish thing to do...
Czardas
08-11-2005, 03:18
I totally agree. And I would know, becaue I'm sixteen. :p Can you even be in love when you're 16? There can't be like a set age limit to when you can be in love can there? Or maybe you can but its just a foolish thing to do...
I don't think you can, but then again I seem to be the exception.
Ancient British Glory
08-11-2005, 03:35
What is love?

Love is a bullshit theory that society shoves down your throat in order to justify sheer animal lust.

Humans are forever in conflict with their two natures: the ape and the angel. The ape, however, is usually predominate in our actions and so usually, in order to maintain itself, the angellic side of humanity attempts to justify our corporeal nature with 'pure' and 'virtuous' notions. Love, of course, is our attempt to cloth our rampant sexual lust in a layer of decency and purity.

So in conclusion: let love happen to those who would rather listen to the angel than the ape.
WC Imperial Court
08-11-2005, 03:39
Love, the romantic type, anyway, is rough. But the good tmes make it worth it, I think.

I'm at college in a different city from my bf, so its really lonely and painful for me to be in love right now. But the time I have with him is worth all the loneliness and all the rough times our relationship has endured.
The times I was attracted to someone else and dating my bf it was really easy to choose, tho, because I knew the crush wasn't interested. To be honest, if I hadn't know that he was smitten with another girl, high school wouldve been very different. So I guess this doesnt really answer your question, sorry.


i'm inclined to say take your chances with the friend. You owe it to yourself and to the boyfriend to be honest if you want something else.
KiwioStarz
08-11-2005, 03:40
I don't think you can, but then again I seem to be the exception.

Don't you love always thinking of yourself as the exception to a rule? I know I do.
Omni Conglomerates
08-11-2005, 03:56
Man, I love coming to the general forums and reading these increadibly broad questions. It really makes my day. You have to ask certain questions before you ask what is love.

First, you have to establish whether or not you believe there is a God. I don't intend to start a religious debate, but it does have some bearing. Let us say that God doesn't exist. Even then, a person's religious views will color their views on love. Christians certainly have clearly defined precepts on love. Ever read Song of Songs? What about 1 Corinthians Chapter 13? What about an of Jesus' messages on love? These apply both to platonic and romantic forms of love. Certainly you should love your designated partner with at least as much love as you give to your fellow man.

Second, you have to ask yourself if love is relative or not. Is there true love, or is it mutable and relative. Is my definition of love different from that of another person's? Is my definition valid or true and someone else's definition invalid, or is one person's view of love just as valid as the next? Clearly society sees certain types of love as less valid than others, otherwise there would not be laws against polygamy and sodomy.

There are a thousand questions that have to be asked before you can get down to something as broad as what is love. An abstract noun cannot be tied down with a single blanket question.

As for my two cents, I only know from my experience. I know that there is a woman that I love. I love her because she is beautiful, because she is smart, because she is funny, because she has a kind heart, because we can play D&D together, but most importantly because I know deep down that she loves me in return. We aren't together right now, and I long for her. I can say definitively that I do not desire any other woman. Is that love? Well, I can certainly tell you that I won't listen to a word anyone would say to imply that it wasn't.
Grainne Ni Malley
08-11-2005, 04:03
I totally agree. And I would know, becaue I'm sixteen. :p Can you even be in love when you're 16? There can't be like a set age limit to when you can be in love can there? Or maybe you can but its just a foolish thing to do...

I was 16 when I first met the man I am now with 15 years later (but we did split up a lot in between). It took some time and a little bit of maturing to get to where we are now. If, from my experience alone, I were to classify love as anything, it would be not killing someone after living with them for ten plus years.
Smunkeeville
08-11-2005, 04:04
While I thought I'd been in love before, I'm left thinking that perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps I'd miscalculated, despite wanting to wait until certainty to say anything... I really opened my mouth not knowing what love really is.
How does one know it's love? You're always told you'll just know, but then in retrospect, it's not so certain.
Is it actually possible to fall out of love? Is love defined by the characteristic of beign lifelong/eternal? Or can it be love if it fades and dies before you do?
there are many people who confuse infatuation with love, infatuation is what most people think about when they think about love, it is all the good stuff, you know the "I can't stop thinking about them" tingly kind of feeling, and that does go away at some point, or at least dims a little, and people think they are no longer "in love" and talk about the "magic" being gone. Those people annoy me.
If you love someone, you basically love them unconditionally and will love them forever, you can't fall out of love.
Smunkeeville
08-11-2005, 04:07
You don't. As with any decision, you make the best judgement call you can at the time and hope you did right. By "deciding to love someone," I don't mean just reason without feelings. The feelings usually come first. But once the feelings come, make sure you make a conscious decision that this is the person you want to love. Reason without feelings is dead. Feelings without reason are dangerous.
I agree completely, I am glad someone understands, I almost put that love wasn't an emotion, but then people tend to think I am a robot, and not someone who cares enough about the people in my life not to subject them to the whims of my emotions. ;)
Czardas
08-11-2005, 04:11
Don't you love always thinking of yourself as the exception to a rule? I know I do.
No, I'm the exception in that I don't love where everyone else seems to. I don't even believe it exists, or that I'm capable of feeling it any more than compassion or happiness.
Ancient British Glory
08-11-2005, 04:16
No, I'm the exception in that I don't love where everyone else seems to. I don't even believe it exists, or that I'm capable of feeling it any more than compassion or happiness.

I agree, quite frankly I dont think I could ever trust another person to the extent that I fall in love with them. Most of humanity are only out for themselves, why should someone proclaiming feelings of 'love' be any different?

I love being a cynical bastard.
Jey
08-11-2005, 04:26
love is a chemicle in your body....a very pleasurable one. I have been in love before...but i couldnt quite seem to get my partner to do the same. It lasted about a year and the chemicle stopped being released.

I didnt bother reading all of these pages, but if someone said god was related to love, and that he somehow gave it to us, someone just tell that person to shut up right now.
SilverCities
08-11-2005, 04:31
For myself love is more then lust, hell lust is fleeting and inconsequential, real love is knowing that even during times of illness, poverty, bad breath, BO, fights, irritations, you can still look at the person and say to yourself with all honesty, " i could not see my world without them being in it." it is knowing not only do you have romantic feelngs for them they are your best friend.
KiwioStarz
08-11-2005, 04:37
I was 16 when I first met the man I am now with 15 years later (but we did split up a lot in between). It took some time and a little bit of maturing to get to where we are now. If, from my experience alone, I were to classify love as anything, it would be not killing someone after living with them for ten plus years.

lol thanks I'll remember that......
Czardas
08-11-2005, 04:38
I agree, quite frankly I dont think I could ever trust another person to the extent that I fall in love with them. Most of humanity are only out for themselves, why should someone proclaiming feelings of 'love' be any different?
I could never trust another person, period. I can't fall in love anyway due to my lack of compassion. I mean, why do people really deserve compassion if they're just looking out for themselves? Why do people deserve compassion if they don't show any? And of course, if they say they love you, do they really mean it? Do they even know, or is that one of Dostoyevsky's secrets you keep from yourself? Yeah, I've been reading a lot of that kind of literature by fellow cynical bastards. ;)
Arribastan
08-11-2005, 04:44
Love is a myth. Or chemicals in the body. Take your pick.
Czardas
08-11-2005, 04:59
Love is a myth. Or chemicals in the body. Take your pick.
Both. The chemicals (such as dopamine, n-something, and a few others) simply create happiness, lust, and other such emotions which one associates with love, but it itself does not exist.
Boll United
08-11-2005, 05:12
Love is zero.

Love minus zero is a song by Bob Dylan.

Which contains the word 'love' in it.

which is zero.




Wow, I didn't know I was a poet. And such depth, too. I should go into professional writing; I know it.
Smunkeeville
08-11-2005, 05:26
Both. The chemicals (such as dopamine, n-something, and a few others) simply create happiness, lust, and other such emotions which one associates with love, but it itself does not exist.
actually the chemicals provide for infatuation, not true unconditional love. Love is a decision, the chemicals are the fun part, Love is the part that requires hard work and dedication and it has nothing to do with chemicals
PasturePastry
08-11-2005, 05:43
Love isn't something that you feel or somewhere that you fall, it's something that you do.
NERVUN
08-11-2005, 06:10
Ultimate trust? That comes close, I think.

Personally I have always felt that when I loved someone, romantic or otherwise, was when I felt like doing everything I could to make them happy and content.

Love's living for another person, how about that (dying for something or someone being easy, you only have to do it once. Living is MUCH harder).
Damor
08-11-2005, 11:00
actually the chemicals provide for infatuation, not true unconditional love.Sure they do, just other chemicals, mostly oxytocin in this case.

Love is a decision, the chemicals are the fun part, Love is the part that requires hard work and dedication and it has nothing to do with chemicalsA rather bold claim if you consider that all thinking eventually comes down to a chemical process.
But I suppose one might not consider it does.
Nakatokia
08-11-2005, 12:24
Both. The chemicals (such as dopamine, n-something, and a few others) simply create happiness, lust, and other such emotions which one associates with love, but it itself does not exist.

Chemicals also create fear, anger or any other emotion you'd care to mention. Do they not exist either?
Delator
08-11-2005, 12:41
If you want a definition of love, the best I've found comes from Robert A. Heinlein...

"'Love' is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own."

I've found it to be true in my own experience...I dunno about the rest of you. :p
Dmytri
08-11-2005, 12:48
Love is about supporting and comforting someone when they need you the most.

Love is about listening with compassion and empathy.

Some people don't deserve to be loved; especially when they hurt and abandon someone innocent.
Strobovia
08-11-2005, 13:14
Love is about supporting and comforting someone when they need you the most.

Love is about listening with compassion and empathy.

Some people don't deserve to be loved; especially when they hurt and abandon someone innocent.
Indeed. But it's important to remember that love merely is a chemical reaction in your brain. Still it's a nice feeling.:p
Smunkeeville
08-11-2005, 15:37
Some people don't deserve to be loved; especially when they hurt and abandon someone innocent.
most people don't deserve love, I probably don't and yet there are people who love me unconditionally.
Deep Kimchi
08-11-2005, 15:42
most people don't deserve love, I probably don't and yet there are people who love me unconditionally.

Deserving has nothing to do with it.
Smunkeeville
08-11-2005, 15:47
Deserving has nothing to do with it.
I know, I was responding to someone who was talking about how some people don't deserve love, and I was stating that most people don't deserve it but get it anyway. If my husband only loved me when I deserved to be loved, then 90% of the time I wouldn't be loved by him.
Czardas
08-11-2005, 18:09
most people don't deserve love, I probably don't and yet there are people who love me unconditionally.
I don't think anybody "deserves" to love or be loved. That kind of idealism mixed in with pain—two things I utterly hate—is something nobody should have to go through.
The Parkus Empire
08-11-2005, 18:11
If i remember rightly love is an emotion, an emotion of ecstasy, this emotion is induced chemically when receptors catch those littlle um(crap forgot their name).... and transmit the message the the neuron networks of your brain. You then feel extreme pleasure and happines.
Pharmones...
Eutrusca
08-11-2005, 18:11
I know, I was responding to someone who was talking about how some people don't deserve love, and I was stating that most people don't deserve it but get it anyway. If my husband only loved me when I deserved to be loved, then 90% of the time I wouldn't be loved by him.
Which makes a good argument for love being a decision one often makes on a moment-to-moment basis, yes? :)
Smunkeeville
08-11-2005, 18:26
Which makes a good argument for love being a decision one often makes on a moment-to-moment basis, yes? :)
yes. I am very lucky that my husband decided to love me (and me him) because to tell the truth, 90% of the time I am completely unlovable. and it was worse when I was pregnant. :p
Hullepupp
08-11-2005, 18:33
Love is the most wasted word in the world