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Europeans lowercase 'Christ'
New grammar rule says word to be spelled with small 'c' in future

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Posted: November 1, 2005
2:12 p.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


A new grammar rule devised in the Netherlands and Belgium stipulates the word "Christ" shall be spelled with a lowercase "c."

The rule was part of a Dutch orthography reform published in October, reported Canada Free Press.

The paper cites a German newssite, Kath.net, in reporting that the new guidelines also indicate the Dutch word for "Jews" (Joden) is to be spelled with a capital "J" when referring to nationality and with a lower-case "j" when referring to the religion.


The changes – made by the main linguistic authority for the Dutch language, Nederlandse Taalunie – become mandatory next August.

While the proper name of Jesus Christ – "Jezus Christus" in Dutch – will still be capitalized, other references to Christ, such as a statue of him, will be spelled with a lowercase "c," as will references to other figures who claim to be Christ.

Many Europeans have long discarded belief in God and in fact believe more deeply in ghosts than in a deity.

A new poll finds two-thirds of Britons said they believe in the existence of ghosts and spirits, but only 55 percent said they believe in the existence of God.

Meanwhile, 26 percent believe in UFOs, 19 percent in reincarnation and 4 percent in the Loch Ness Monster, Ananova reported.


And this is just the tip of the iceberg!

Good for them!

*blinks* 何だHell?

But Nessie is God :/

also japanese in english threads isn't cute :(

Honestly Who Cares?

Satan, the king of deceptions, slowly but surely fullfilling holy scripture!

And he starting with Dutch orthography? Wow, he must LOVE details...

Honestly Who Cares?
Well, for one thing (assuming that capitalization works in roughly the same way for dutch people, or whoever it is who lives in canada), it seems like a state-sanctioned insult to our possible savior :/

And maybe God will only make the standards-writers pay for it, but still, their souls're worth worrying about, too

OhhhhhKaaaaay.....

What the fuck is with this Barvinia nut?

A 2000 year old church is 'a nail in evolutionists coffin' and now some dutch churches grammer rules are evidence of satan fulfilling holy scripture?

Dude, buy another book and get out a little.

A 2000 year old church is 'a nail in evolutionists coffin' and now some dutch churches grammer rules are evidence of satan fulfilling holy scripture?
Aren't they, Sr. Planet? Aren't they?

And he starting with Dutch orthography? Wow, he must LOVE details...

Yeah, and apparently the Dutch speaking parts of Belgium, and the Netherlands count as "Europeans lowercasing christ."

When put that way, I have no choice but not to emulate! No longer will I be a slave to grammatical reactionism and use a big letter in "christ." As a European it is my duty to lowercase it, and thereby to reject the zombie lord himself!

Yeah, and apparently the Dutch speaking parts of Belgium, and the Netherlands count as "Europeans lowercasing christ."

When put that way, I have no choice but not to emulate! No longer will I be a slave to grammatical reactionism and use a big letter in "christ." As a European it is my duty to lowercase it, and thereby to reject the zombie lord himself!
i will pray 4 u SOUL

-Dread Pirate Detective Inspector Gadget

The paper cites a German newssite, Kath.net, in reporting that the new guidelines also indicate the Dutch word for "Jews" (Joden) is to be spelled with a capital "J" when referring to nationality and with a lower-case "j" when referring to the religion.
Ugh, they should've gone the other way around

I'm sick of the Jewish "nationality." Why can't they have a religion like everyone else? It's not like people even have a choice in this crap! I don't want to be a Jew, but Mom insists! She insists, and so do the rest of the Orthodox rassafrackadazzlefrap!~!@!!745682g!^*!#

Aren't they, Sr. Planet? Aren't they?Yeah sure... it's all fiction so whatever. Write it any way you want.

Aren't they, Sr. Planet? Aren't they?

"And lo, the Europeans shall start to write the name of our Lord with a lowercase c . And the beast will rejoice"?

Never came across that passage, to be honest. I must have a different edition of the Bible at home. Or maybe Luther just left that out in his translation.

"And lo, the Europeans shall start to write the name of our Lord with a lowercase c . And the beast will rejoice"?

Never came across that passage, to be honest. I must have a different edition of the Bible at home. Or maybe Luther just left that out in his translation.
yeah you need the ROFL version

Fabulous little countries with the need to legiferare their little language...
French are the same idiots, they need ;aw to use their own language.
A nice dark age way to modernism and progress of ideas.

When I'll see some laws to how use English, I'll learn Klingon to feel free. Feeling free innit Freedom?


about the Jew question...
Jew does refer ONLY to a religion.
Does the dutchs mix up Israel, zionist and Jews just for the fun to add trouble?
Or will they say that Arab and Muslim mean the same thing?

Even I would have been a Dutch, my problem is I do not like the Law as some adore a god.

(ponders the implications of the original post)

Sounds like a Capital offense to me.

They must be a lower case of people.

Though, it certainly is bold of them.

When I'll see some laws to how use English, I'll learn Klingon to feel free. Feeling free innit Freedom?

I suggest you learn English before you learn Klingon, as that was almost unintelligible.

(ponders the implications of the original post)

Sounds like a Capital offense to me.

They must be a lower case of people.

Though, it certainly is bold of them.

The Counter-Pun Unit (CPU) is currently headed to your location. Please cooperate peacefully while they shoot you in the head.

:D

I suggest you learn English before you learn Klingon, as that was almost unintelligible.
hmm...this might be intentional, just to highlight that there is no governing authority for the english language

I stoped capping 'god' ages ago anyway. Who the hell cares.

I stoped capping 'god' ages ago anyway. Who the hell cares.
in informal situations, anything goes

but for articles, it seems inappropriate to show particular disdain by choosing remove the capitals from a single name, which happens to be very important to a lot of people :/

and stop being a pimp

that's a terrible profession

jesus will find you and turn you out

repent plz

And maybe God will only make the standards-writers pay for it, but still, their souls're worth worrying about, too

Assuming that wasn't sarcasm, I am hereby amused. :D


I suggest you learn English before you learn Klingon, as that was almost unintelligible.

I second that. There's a reason why there are rules for grammar and spelling. At least the Dutch and the French (since you mention them) know how to write in their own language. A great many native English speakers struggle with written English.

in informal situations, anything goes

but for articles, it seems inappropriate to show particular disdain by choosing remove the capitals from a single name, which happens to be very important to a lot of people :/

and stop being a pimp

that's a terrible profession

jesus will find you and turn you out

repent plz

He already has. Yesterday he knocked on my door, asked if I was a pimp and then punched me in the face and ran off. For a skinny guy who wears robes and sandells he sure can throw a right cross..

Finally - it's about time countries started to do that. Next they need to remove religion from schools completely.

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Europeans lowercase 'Christ'
New grammar rule says word to be spelled with small 'c' in future

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Posted: November 1, 2005
2:12 p.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


A new grammar rule devised in the Netherlands and Belgium stipulates the word "Christ" shall be spelled with a lowercase "c."

The rule was part of a Dutch orthography reform published in October, reported Canada Free Press.

The paper cites a German newssite, Kath.net, in reporting that the new guidelines also indicate the Dutch word for "Jews" (Joden) is to be spelled with a capital "J" when referring to nationality and with a lower-case "j" when referring to the religion.


The changes – made by the main linguistic authority for the Dutch language, Nederlandse Taalunie – become mandatory next August.

While the proper name of Jesus Christ – "Jezus Christus" in Dutch – will still be capitalized, other references to Christ, such as a statue of him, will be spelled with a lowercase "c," as will references to other figures who claim to be Christ.

Many Europeans have long discarded belief in God and in fact believe more deeply in ghosts than in a deity.

A new poll finds two-thirds of Britons said they believe in the existence of ghosts and spirits, but only 55 percent said they believe in the existence of God.

Meanwhile, 26 percent believe in UFOs, 19 percent in reincarnation and 4 percent in the Loch Ness Monster, Ananova reported.


And this is just the tip of the iceberg!



Have you been sent here by Avalon II to save us all?

Finally - it's about time countries started to do that. Next they need to remove religion from schools completely.

We've already done that in France.

We've upheld the principle of secularity for over a hundred years now. The idea is that everyone should be perfectly free to belong to any religion they want, but that the public/government and private/religious spheres shouldn't mix.

in informal situations, anything goes

but for articles, it seems inappropriate to show particular disdain by choosing remove the capitals from a single name, which happens to be very important to a lot of people :/

and stop being a pimp

that's a terrible profession

jesus will find you and turn you out

repent plz


If I remember correctly, "god" is not a name, more of a profession... so gramatically, it is perfectly ok to write it in lower case.

He already has. Yesterday he knocked on my door, asked if I was a pimp and then punched me in the face and ran off. For a skinny guy who wears robes and sandells he sure can throw a right cross..
oh...well...then do whatever he told you, i guess

Finally - it's about time countries started to do that. Next they need to remove religion from schools completely.
1. It's hardly time for countries to start denigrating one religious figure by twisting grammatical rules around.

2. In what sense do you want religion removed from schools? In what sense is it in schools now?

3. Do you mean that religion needs to be wiped out, period?

If I remember correctly, "god" is not a name, more of a profession... so gramatically, it is perfectly ok to write it in lower case.
The way I see it, "God" needs to be capitalized not only to differentiate the proper noun from the common noun, but the same way "Captain" needs to be.

1. When god told Abraham to go screw himself, Abraham was all like, "y u up in my grill dawg? U strait up crazy tryin ta fuck wit a nigga when u aint not even got no capital lettaz"
2. It's not like anyone's trying to get Vishnu decapped, after all. Y tha h8?

Why would a Christian be upset about lower-case lettering in taking the Lord/lord's name in vain? How do you spell it: "Chrissake" or "chrissake''? The Book/book says you shouldn't say it or spell it at all.



Whadya know: 700 posts.

While the proper name of Jesus Christ – "Jezus Christus" in Dutch – will still be capitalized, other references to Christ, such as a statue of him, will be spelled with a lowercase "c," as will references to other figures who claim to be Christ.Well, I certainly don't see a reason to call pretenders Christ. And the bible explicitly forbids graven images, that includes statues. So they shouldn't exist, let alone be referred to as if they were him.

Why would a Christian be upset about lower-case lettering in taking the Lord/lord's name in vain? How do you spell it: "Chrissake" or "chrissake''? The Book/book says you shouldn't say it or spell it at all.
Doesn't seem like saying "Jesus" in a news article is really in vain, to me. :/

The way I see it, "God" needs to be capitalized not only to differentiate the proper noun from the common noun, but the same way "Captain" needs to be.

1. When god told Abraham to go screw himself, Abraham was all like, "y u up in my grill dawg? U strait up crazy tryin ta fuck wit a nigga when u aint not even got no capital lettaz"
2. It's not like anyone's trying to get Vishnu decapped, after all. Y tha h8?

Nobody's even discussing to stop capitalising Jesus or Jahwe. Those are names. A god can be Vishnu, Allah or Vitzli-Putzli, it is a job description and therefore shouldn't be capitalised.
No hate, just rational grammar.

1. It's hardly time for countries to start denigrating one religious figure by twisting grammatical rules around.Be glad they don't make alternate letter capitalization mandatory for religious names. JeSuS ChRisT, that would look rediculous. Or worst, l33tify it: j35u5 c|2!5t
If they wanted to denigrade a religious figure by twisting grammar rules, they're not being effective.

3. Do you mean that religion needs to be wiped out, period?Well, some would suggest that would lead to a more peacefull world. We'd certainly have fewer muslim extremist terrorists.

Nobody's even discussing to stop capitalising Jesus or Jahwe. Those are names. A god can be Vishnu, Allah or Vitzli-Putzli, it is a job description and therefore shouldn't be capitalised.
No hate, just rational grammar.

Never heard of these "Vitzli-Putzli":p , where can I enlist to convert?

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Europeans lowercase 'Christ'
New grammar rule says word to be spelled with small 'c' in future

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Posted: November 1, 2005
2:12 p.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


A new grammar rule devised in the Netherlands and Belgium stipulates the word "Christ" shall be spelled with a lowercase "c."

The rule was part of a Dutch orthography reform published in October, reported Canada Free Press.

The paper cites a German newssite, Kath.net, in reporting that the new guidelines also indicate the Dutch word for "Jews" (Joden) is to be spelled with a capital "J" when referring to nationality and with a lower-case "j" when referring to the religion.


The changes – made by the main linguistic authority for the Dutch language, Nederlandse Taalunie – become mandatory next August.

While the proper name of Jesus Christ – "Jezus Christus" in Dutch – will still be capitalized, other references to Christ, such as a statue of him, will be spelled with a lowercase "c," as will references to other figures who claim to be Christ.

Many Europeans have long discarded belief in God and in fact believe more deeply in ghosts than in a deity.

A new poll finds two-thirds of Britons said they believe in the existence of ghosts and spirits, but only 55 percent said they believe in the existence of God.

Meanwhile, 26 percent believe in UFOs, 19 percent in reincarnation and 4 percent in the Loch Ness Monster, Ananova reported.


And this is just the tip of the iceberg!

1) Dude, seriously, get a life. People are dying before their time all over the world to various reasons, and you get worked up about a language that is spoken by less than 40 million people wolrdwide changing it's spelling rules ...

2)Europeans don't lowercase 'christ', the dutch speaking do (Nederland and Vlaanderen). Why does everyone always talk about Europe as if it is 1 nation?

3)Just a detail: Jews isn't written with a capital when reffering to nationality, because it isn't a nationality. It's written with a capital when referring to a people.

Doesn't seem like saying "Jesus" in a news article is really in vain, to me. :/No, it's not (generally); and it would also remain capitalized if it refers to the person. Just not when it's a curse word, or when it doesn't refer to him but other things.

Doesn't seem like saying "Jesus" in a news article is really in vain, to me. :/

"While the proper name of Jesus Christ – "Jezus Christus" in Dutch – will still be capitalized, other references to Christ, such as a statue of him, will be spelled with a lowercase "c," as will references to other figures who claim to be Christ."
A statue of him = a christ. Sacrilegious? It is not Christ Himself!
other figueres = "Mr. Whatever, who is often seen as the jesus of New York homosexuals"; "Lenin, the jesus of the USSR". See my point? It's actually a favour to you guys.
Plus: it might be a peculiarity of the Dutch language. Analogy: German, where they spell(ed?) common nouns with capitals. This may even be simpler than that: as you can see, the above examples are adjectives.

(In Romanian - my mother tongue: "un Iisus din lemn" or "un iisus din lemn" - a wooden Jesus - might work just as well and carry no inflamatory nuance.)

Never heard of these "Vitzli-Putzli":p , where can I enlist to convert?

That's about the only information I could find on him online : http://www.historical-prints.co.uk/MEXICO.htm

The only article on wikipedia.org on that guy is in Latin, ironically ;)

"While the proper name of Jesus Christ – "Jezus Christus" in Dutch – will still be capitalized, other references to Christ, such as a statue of him, will be spelled with a lowercase "c," as will references to other figures who claim to be Christ."
A statue of him = a christ. Sacrilegious? It is not Christ Himself!
other figueres = "Mr. Whatever, who is often seen as the jesus of New York homosexuals"; "Lenin, the jesus of the USSR". See my point? It's actually a favour to you guys.
Plus: it might be a peculiarity of the Dutch language. Analogy: German, where they spell(ed?) common nouns with capitals. This may even be simpler than that: as you can see, the above examples are adjectives.

(In Romanian - my mother tongue: "un Iisus din lemn" or "un iisus din lemn" - a wooden Jesus - might work just as well and carry no inflamatory nuance.)
now that you put it that way, I dig

thanks for helping me see the light

That's about the only information I could find on him online : http://www.historical-prints.co.uk/MEXICO.htm

The only article on wikipedia.org on that guy is in Latin, ironically ;)

As it happens to be I´m quite fluent in latin, though my speaking abilities might be rusty...thanks a lot

*off doing some research*

Oh, the irony ;)

From the name I thought it to be some part of the schwäbisch-alemannisch heritage :D

Nobody's even discussing to stop capitalising Jesus or Jahwe. Those are names. A god can be Vishnu, Allah or Vitzli-Putzli, it is a job description and therefore shouldn't be capitalised.
No hate, just rational grammar.
So why are you capitalizing all of them? :P

From the name I thought it to be some part of the schwäbisch-alemannisch heritage :D

Err, if that were the case, I shudder to think what he/it would be the god of...

I've been listening to the Azumanga Daioh intro on a loop for the last 20 minutes. I'm switching to the DuckTales intro.

on that note, scrooge mcduck is obviously jewish

So why are you capitalizing all of them? :P

Because they are NAMES? As opposed to descriptions? "God" is not a name, "Vishnu" is.

Because they are NAMES? As opposed to descriptions? "God" is not a name, "Vishnu" is.
What are we supposed to use for the most popular deity in the western world, then? :P

So why are you capitalizing all of them? :P

Because the general term "god" is uncapitalized, while their actual names, being proper nouns, remain capitalized.

The Greek goddess Athena.

The Roman god Mars.

The modern American god Gymoor.

See? Job description in lower case, proper nouns in capital.

now that you put it that way, I dig

thanks for helping me see the light
I've seen yourn post and your points, and I think we agreed (my post could be read both ways). When I got your reply, I thought you were on the op's side.
Just want to make it clear: I'm not Christian, and I think the topic is absurd. I was answering Christians who think the End/end is nigh.

I've seen yourn post and your points, and I think we agreed (my post could be read both ways). When I got your reply, I thought you were on the op's side.
Just want to make it clear: I'm not Christian, and I think the topic is absurd. I was answering Christians who think the End/end is nigh.
i was, maybe am, but i haven't read it in a while and i'm too tired to do so

i need to be up in hourses

What are we supposed to use for the most popular deity in the western world, then? :P

I think he's called "Money"

I think he's called "Money"
not a deity

sorry you fail the quiz

not a deityIt could have fooled all those aliens observing our planet..

What are we supposed to use for the most popular deity in the western world, then? :PWell, he's the one that didn't want to tell us his name, so we get to call him whatever we want.
Although I don't see a particular reason not to call this god God. Although he's also reffered to as Allah and Jawhe. And you can indirectly refer to him, as the god of Abraham or the god of the Bible.

not a deity

sorry you fail the quiz

Are you trying to take his religion away from him?

not a deity

sorry you fail the quiz

An abstract concept, that people believe determines their destiny and that they worship? Sounds an awful lot like a deity to me...

An abstract concept, that people believe determines their destiny and that they worship? Sounds an awful lot like a deity to me...
Plus: it's many, but it's still just one ("the money in the world").

What are we supposed to use for the most popular deity in the western world, then? :P


I call it television, like everyone else.

After all, even most christians pay more attention to it, that the bible.

Nobody's even discussing to stop capitalising Jesus or Jahwe. Those are names. A god can be Vishnu, Allah or Vitzli-Putzli, it is a job description and therefore shouldn't be capitalised.
No hate, just rational grammar.
Agreed, but everyone wants to see their "god" in capitals ... everyone elses is in lower case :p

You've caught me. I'm Satan.