NationStates Jolt Archive

Its alcohol.
And its legal.
And almost everything else considered a "drug" in that sense is not.
Weird?
Hipocrytical?
Illogical?
Someone say something please rational so my world remains whole.

Politics.

Legalize it all.
How’s that for rational?

Politics.

That would've been the 11th choice.

Katamari Damacy.

More people drink than ingest opium, but opium is more addictive.. so is nicotine, most likely.. Alcohol isn't much of a drug compared to other illegal susbstances.

Politics.
Nah. Stupidity.

Legalize it all.
How’s that for rational?

Pretty damn good. Let people fuck themselves if they want to. My body, my choice, and not in the immature rebellious youth sense of it either.

Legalize it all.
How’s that for rational?

Here here.

Legalize it all.
How’s that for rational?
Gets my vote.

*weeps*
My poll.... my beautiful beautiful satirical poll...

yes, I voted for heroin. I'm entitled to do it. Isn't heroin depicted as the worst? the heroin dependency percentage is around 9.1, alcohol about 34

but which gets the msot news coverage?

Alcohol is not a Drug.
Love is the most addictive.

It's simply historical happenstance.

Alcohol is not a Drug.
Love is the most addictive.

Wow. What the fuck are you talking about? This is why I didn't put "other" on the list. I'm not asking you to get philosophical one me. But I'll humor you... what makes a drug?

*weeps*
My poll.... my beautiful beautiful satirical poll...

yes, I voted for heroin. I'm entitled to do it. Isn't heroin depicted as the worst? the heroin dependency percentage is around 9.1, alcohol about 34

but which gets the msot news coverage?

First off, your poll lists both heroin and "opiates." Heroin is an opiate, so..

Heroin is depicted as the worst because of the way it affects your organs, and its addictive nature.. it's also treated harshly in the press because its high cost lends itself to crime to support the habit.. cheap booze is easy to find.

Met!

Wow. What the fuck are you talking about? This is why I didn't put "other" on the list. I'm not asking you to get philosophical one me. But I'll humor you... what makes a drug?
That is me pointing out you should have had other on the list of options well that or Myrth.....

Drugs are things that mess you up Alcohol does not do that so it is not a Drug.

First off, your poll lists both heroin and "opiates." Heroin is an opiate, so..

Heroin is depicted as the worst because of the way it affects your organs, and its addictive nature.. it's also treated harshly in the press because its high cost lends itself to crime to support the habit.. cheap booze is easy to find.

ur right, but i did it to separate it for a reason. I wouldn;t have put opiates at all if i had a choice, i just pretty much grouped things similar to oxycoton together under it.

Drugs are things that mess you up Alcohol does not do that so it is not a Drug.

Ciriosis of the liver much? Not to mention the stuff kills plenty of brain cells.

That is me pointing out you should have had other on the list of options well that or Myrth.....

Drugs are things that mess you up Alcohol does not do that so it is not a Drug.

define "mess you up"

=/ btw, have you ever drunk alcohol?

See, you asked two very different questions. Because the most addictive is not necessarily the most dangerous. Something highly addictive may take forever to cause much damage, and something non-addictive can kill you in one shot. And different drugs affect different people differently. For example, I love to smoke. I know it is bad for me. I quit cold turkey for six months on a bet, and aside from being cranky for a few days, I was fine. But I like it, so dammit, as soom as I collected my 100 bucks, I went out and bought a carton of Camel Lights. On the other hand, I absolutely LOVE the way ecstacy makes me feel. Although there is no evidence it is addictive, and is widely regarded as a drug people don't get addicted to and can easily grow out of- I have to stay away from it, or I will take it every day.
However, in general I believe it goes as follows:
most addictive
1. refined Opium- which falls into two categories: Opiates (Oxyxontin, etc.), and heroin.
2. alcohol
3. Cocaine/Crack.
4. nicotine

most dangerous
1. Meth.
2. PCP
3. Crack
4. Heroin

define "mess you up"

=/ btw, have you ever drunk alcohol?
Yes yes i have is Alcohol meant to be bad.:confused:

Mess you up means let you have fun or makes you feel like Rat shit.

Having done every single drug listed here, I can safely say that nicotine is the most addictive.

See, you asked two very different questions. Because the most addictive is not necessarily the most dangerous. Something highly addictive may take forever to cause much damage, and something non-addictive can kill you in one shot. And different drugs affect different people differently. For example, I love to smoke. I know it is bad for me. I quit cold turkey for six months on a bet, and aside from being cranky for a few days, I was fine. But I like it, so dammit, as soom as I collected my 100 bucks, I went out and bought a carton of Camel Lights. On the other hand, I absolutely LOVE the way ecstacy makes me feel. Although there is no evidence it is addictive, and is widely regarded as a drug people don't get addicted to and can easily grow out of- I have to stay away from it, or I will take it every day.
However, in general I believe it goes as follows:
most addictive
1. refined Opium- which falls into two categories: Opiates (Oxyxontin, etc.), and heroin.
2. alcohol
3. Cocaine/Crack.
4. nicotine

most dangerous
1. Meth.
2. PCP
3. Crack
4. Heroin

my statement is exactly what it was. there is no confusion. alcohol , according to studies, is not only the most addictive, but also the most dangerous. i intentionally made the question that way. take heart. im just going by statistics.

Yes yes i have is Alcohol meant to be bad.:confused:

Mess you up means let you have fun or makes you feel like Rat shit.

and alcohol does not alcohol do one of the two things you listed above?

i feel theres a logic disconnect field present around you

Its alcohol.
And its legal.
And almost everything else considered a "drug" in that sense is not.
Weird?
Hipocrytical?
Illogical?
Someone say something please rational so my world remains whole.

Can also safely say that you're a fucktard.

Marijuana, of course.

Can also safely say that you're a fucktard.

Thanks. I appreciate that. :confused:

Thanks. I appreciate that. :confused:

Accuracy hurts, I s'pose.

Marijuana, of course.

That is a joke, right?

Accuracy hurts, I s'pose.

As long as it makes you feel big.

Can also safely say that you're a fucktard.

At least give a reason if you are going to make a nonsensical, inappropriate, close-minded comment.

On one of my 'drug awareness' days i had to go to (part of the job!) , we were told that nicotine was considered more addictive than heroin.

How they worked that out, I don't understand, but I wonder if it's down to the legality and availability of ciggies, and the social aspect of smoking?

Anyone else been told this?

At least give a reason if you are going to make a nonsensical, inappropriate, close-minded comment.

My comment was nonsensical, inappropriate and close-minded? Have you tried all the drugs on your list before naming alcohol the worst? Hmmm?

On one of my 'drug awareness' days i had to go to (part of the job!) , we were told that nicotine was considered more addictive than heroin.

How they worked that out, I don't understand, but I wonder if it's down to the legality and availability of ciggies, and the social aspect of smoking?

Anyone else been told this?

Its technically true. When studies say "addiction" they mean "pendence"

Technically just under a third of the people that try smoking becoming dependent on it according to these studies, whereas less than a tenth become dependent on heroin.

Don't get the the strength of the biological pull of the drug confused with how many actually follow that pull

My comment was nonsensical, inappropriate and close-minded? Have you tried all the drugs on your list before naming alcohol the worst? Hmmm?

hmm so instead of posting links as to why he was wrong or giving us some examples you just insult him....:rolleyes:

On one of my 'drug awareness' days i had to go to (part of the job!) , we were told that nicotine was considered more addictive than heroin.

How they worked that out, I don't understand, but I wonder if it's down to the legality and availability of ciggies, and the social aspect of smoking?

Anyone else been told this?

I've heard it, but the psychological effect of other factors-an oral fixation, the peer pressure issue (looking cool), and fidgeting (needing to do something with my hands, etc.) has been found to inflate those figures.

My comment was nonsensical, inappropriate and close-minded? Have you tried all the drugs on your list before naming alcohol the worst? Hmmm?

Wow...
let me clarify this for you. alcohol is not the worst drug in my opinion. however, of all the valid studies done on dependence rates and bodily harm, alcohol comes out the number one threat.

I hope that clarified things a bit. next time jsut try to understand a little before you go around staring down at people and calling them names- its pretty fucking childish. and the only way to deal with children is to ignore their remarks

My comment was nonsensical, inappropriate and close-minded? Have you tried all the drugs on your list before naming alcohol the worst? Hmmm?

Um, it wasn't my list.
<--see, my name is different. And I have tried just about every drug out there, with the exception of a few, like crack. I didn't like coke, and didn't want a cheaper, crappier version.

hmm so instead of posting links as to why he was wrong or giving us some examples you just insult him....:rolleyes:

Not going to bother. He's just another twit with an ax to grind. I know from my own experience what all of these drugs are like -- not that I'm bragging either, because I honestly wish I hadn't been so stupid when I was younger.

That is a joke, right?

Hey now! Longings for marijuana can last for upwards to ten hours after smoking, and it causes MILD DISORIENTATION

Hey now! Longings for marijuana can last for upwards to ten hours after smoking, and it causes MILD DISORIENTATION

Actually, now that I think about it...every time I smoke, I get this weird desire for junk food! So, is there some hidden ingredient in marijuana that makes me addicted to potato chips? :p

Not going to bother. He's just another twit with an ax to grind. I know from my own experience what all of these drugs are like -- not that I'm bragging either, because I honestly wish I hadn't been so stupid when I was younger.

Then how about next time you don't post the insult and act like an idiot. That way you'll follow your own advice and not bother.

Not going to bother. He's just another twit with an ax to grind. I know from my own experience what all of these drugs are like -- not that I'm bragging either, because I honestly wish I hadn't been so stupid when I was younger.

at this point you know you are wrong, and you are trying to turn the tables on me in a somehow bizzare way. you assumed the wrong thing. you misunderstood. will you be an adult and accept that you made a mistake and apologize? or will you keep rationalizing? at this point its pretty apparent you're wrong for insulting me. im not anti-alcohol. i never said i was. im putting forth objective information. youre mocking and insulting me for it. so yeah.... i guess that makes me the ignorant idiot.

Its technically true. When studies say "addiction" they mean "pendence"

Don't get the the strength of the biological pull of the drug confused with how many actually follow that pull

Mind over matter?
One thing I read a while back, was the possibility of a genetic addiction... ie: the possibility that with each generation that smoked, the greater the potential addiction for each generation that started. (couldn't say where I read it... it was a while ago.)

First off, your poll lists both heroin and "opiates." Heroin is an opiate, so..

Heroin is depicted as the worst because of the way it affects your organs, and its addictive nature.. it's also treated harshly in the press because its high cost lends itself to crime to support the habit.. cheap booze is easy to find.
I thought i noticed this.

I've heard it, but the psychological effect of other factors-an oral fixation, the peer pressure issue (looking cool), and fidgeting (needing to do something with my hands, etc.) has been found to inflate those figures.

An interesting experiment, was to ask a smoker to smoke with their eyes shut, to see how it felt. I tried this myself (as you do).
The idea was that once the visual stimuli was removed, ie: the 'seeing' yourself smoking, looking cool, or whatever, then the 'actual' experience wasn't nearly so good.

I have to agree, it made a difference.

Mind over matter?
One thing I read a while back, was the possibility of a genetic addiction... ie: the possibility that with each generation that smoked, the greater the potential addiction for each generation that started. (couldn't say where I read it... it was a while ago.)

Its not so hard to believe. But is really an addiction that would be passed down, and not an simply an inclination? It could also be just the way you're raised. I know my mom tried marijuana a few times but that my father did not, and they raised me wholly and blindly against it... and failed. (they accept it now so its cool) If and when I have kids, I won't preach against it, other than them using it only after they had fully developed physically. After that I may even encourage them... If I condition them into it theyll do the same for their kids, and the inclination towards it will climb higher and higher. (so will they)

I thought i noticed this.

I thought i explained it

An interesting experiment, was to ask a smoker to smoke with their eyes shut, to see how it felt. I tried this myself (as you do)...



Are you implying that I put things in my mouth with my eyes shut? I thought those pictures were destroyed! They promised they would never go in the net! I was really drunk, and yadda yadda...:p

Alcohol is not a Drug.
Love is the most addictive.

Oooo-ooooh catch that buzz
Love is the drug that I'm thinking of
Oooo-ooooh can't you see?
Love is the drug for me

Hard to decide which one is the most addictive. They're all so much fun.

I thought i explained it
You assumed i read your supposed explanation.

After reading all of this, the only thing that keeps coming to mind is that it most likely depends on the personality traits of each individual. It might be easier to get addicted to one type of drug than another dependent upon the nature of the person involved. Danger of one particular substance or another might be dependent upon the individual's tolerance/hereditary traits/etc.

Alcolhol is a "silent" threat, mostly ignored because the effect varies drastically from person to person -some are happy-go-lucky when intoxicated, others are violent maniacs. The affect on one's health is often not discovered until it's too late. Unfortunately, most people do not see alcohol as a drug. Tell that to AA.

Tobacco is the "in your face" threat. Sure, we all know it's evil but that doesn't stop a lot of people and I feel it has been the hardest habit to break even though I was firmly set against it until 16. And yeah, 95% of my father's side of the family died from cancer, yet I still smoke.

Methamphetamines are "demons in disguise" -everything's great while you're losing weight and getting all those little things done (like polishing the hinges on your door). At some point your body is completely deprived of nescesities like sleep and food. Your brain goes AACK! and you become a raving lunatic. Then your teeth fall out. If you're fortunate enough to realize this early on, then hopefully you can escape it's call... just stay away from others who use it.

Marijuana? Some people smoke it 24-7 to escape the "stresses" in life. That can't be healthy, but I have yet to see any actual evidence of imminent danger or health isssues as a result of smoking marijuana. In fact, I have heard that doctors would prefer a woman smoke marijuana than nicotine during pregnancy (if they MUST smoke).

Beyond that, fortunately I have no personal experience with other drugs and can't really say what danger/addiction is or isn't involved. I still think the question overall is highly theoretical.

Heroin is so obviously the most destructive and dangerous.

Just because Alcohol is more available and less illegal may make it seem more dangerous but believe you me if you wanted to get everyone off the booze and onto the Heroine you would find a hell of a lot more problemns than what booze may supposedly give us.

think about that.

i used to think it was heroin but some threads on here have taught me something of the dangers of crystal meth, so now its a bit of a tie.
alcohol is bad, its addictive and not a good drug (turns you into a salivating lumbering twat), but i don't think its as bad as those two.

i think my drug taking days are over anyway :(
(well maybe the occasional dabble... old habbits die hard)

I see a problem with this thread: the question is paralogical.
Saying "What do you think is the statistically most?" is like solving an equation and saying "X is 14, but what do you believe it is?".

Marijuana? Some people smoke it 24-7 to escape the "stresses" in life. That can't be healthy, but I have yet to see any actual evidence of imminent danger or health isssues as a result of smoking marijuana. In fact, I have heard that doctors would prefer a woman smoke marijuana than nicotine during pregnancy (if they MUST smoke).
i agree, the degree of danger depends a lot on the person's own personality, why they are taking the drug (for what purpose), and their own tolerances.
i have a friend who's a speed freak (driving), loves risk, loves fast stuff... he was my weed smoking buddy (and flatmate) last year but i just know because of his personality and all that, if he started taking meth or speed he wouldn't be able to stop himself. he's already gotten himself a nice little coke problem (following becoming a pillhead, but e's alright by me) :(

as for myslef (and why i quoted the marijuana part), i've always had a pretty high tolerance for the drug, so smoking for me was always quite an affiar (i'd have to sit down and really want to get stoned and spend some time doing it). after a while that evolved into 24/7 smoking, having a nice j for breakfast and one to 'help me sleep'. i was in no way addicted (we all know thats not possible) but i needed it because i wanted to escape from reality, all day every day. i used it as a sedative to get me out of the real world. if i could have got my hands on some smack during that time, i'm pretty sure i'd have used that instead. but the point is, because of my tolerances and the reason for my drug-taking, marijuana became 'dangerous' for me in that being 'out of it' 24/7 for almost 2 years really messed up my life. i also drank in that time, but not all day, unlike the weed. i was happy while i was doing it (well, not really, but i thought i was), but now i've stopped i can see the damage it did :(

anyways, apologies for the rant, i just thought i'd add a little more weight to your arguement :)

i used to think it was heroin but some threads on here have taught me something of the dangers of crystal meth, so now its a bit of a tie.
alcohol is bad, its addictive and not a good drug (turns you into a salivating lumbering twat), but i don't think its as bad as those two.

i think my drug taking days are over anyway :(
(well maybe the occasional dabble... old habbits die hard)
I would agree but it isnt an option.

All i have to do is go down the road about 15Km and i could pretty much promise you 60% of all people are on a Hard drug of some sort and P is the number One know.

It hit NZ like a Freaken Hurricane.
P Rots the Brain one guy killed his Step Daugter while on it and just recently his Sister has killed someone she was probably on it too.

he's already gotten himself a nice little coke problem (following becoming a pillhead, but e's alright by me) :(

Is that meant to be he's or e's as in Ecstasy?

Is that meant to be he's or e's as in Ecstasy?
the latter. its ok because its not a hard drug and i enjoy it too :p

Either Nicotine or Alcohol, not because they are the most dangerous but because they're the most easily available.

Kurt Vonnegut Jnr.: "Smoking Nicotine is the only socially acceptable form of suicide"

the latter. its ok because its not a hard drug and i enjoy it too :p
Crazy kids and your Party Pills.
Just so you know that crap aint welcome in my House.

These results are ridiculous, I really have no bloody idea what the hell you goddamn crazies are thinking. As bad as nicotine is, it does not hold a candle to heroin or cocaine; the people who are voting for nicotine or alcohol obviously have no idea what these drugs are or what they can do.

Oddly enough though, the author left out the real answer: Methamphetamines.

I'd prly say Crystal Meth

Alcohol needs more restrictions. Likje religious purposes only monthly limits on purchasing.

Its alcohol.
And its legal.
And almost everything else considered a "drug" in that sense is not.
Weird?
Hipocrytical?
Illogical?
Someone say something please rational so my world remains whole.

If anybody hasn't said it yet:

Caffeine. Its in our chocolate. Its in our Soda. Its in our Coffee.

And if you say you don't use, you're a big fat dirty liar.

That would've been the 11th choice.
As opposed to Myrth?

Its alcohol.
And its legal.
And almost everything else considered a "drug" in that sense is not.
Weird?
Hipocrytical?
Illogical?
Someone say something please rational so my world remains whole.
I've been told that nicotine is more addictive than crack cocaine, and after trying to kick the smoking habit for lo these many years, I believe it! :(

All of them should be legal, and my pick already is-- Nicotine.
I have first-hand knowledge about the addictive properties of this drug, as well as its health consequences. All the rest are recreational playthings.
Only a complete idiot lets themselves get addicted to street drugs, due to lack of personal responsibility and moderation. Dance with the devil and risk getting burned.

~SNIP~
However, in general I believe it goes as follows:
most addictive
1. refined Opium- which falls into two categories: Opiates (Oxyxontin, etc.), and heroin.
2. alcohol
3. Cocaine/Crack.
4. nicotine

most dangerous
1. Meth.
2. PCP
3. Crack
4. Heroin
I agree with everything you said, except I think Nicotine should move higher up on the addiction list. I have heard that Nicotine is 10 times more addictive than heroin.

These results are ridiculous, I really have no bloody idea what the hell you goddamn crazies are thinking. As bad as nicotine is, it does not hold a candle to heroin or cocaine; the people who are voting for nicotine or alcohol obviously have no idea what these drugs are or what they can do.

Oddly enough though, the author left out the real answer: Methamphetamines.
Melkor, I'm a chain smoker, and voted for nicotine. I sure got addicted to that drug, and haven't gone a day in 15 years without a pack of smokes.

I've tried heroin, cocaine, and pretty much every other street and pharmaceutical drug out there, and none have particularly struck me as highly addictive. I never was able to understand the addiction process with these recreational drugs. I can do any of the drugs listed here and not touch them again for years, except cigarettes.

Methamphetamines on the other hand seem highly addictive (mostly because they're cheap and widely available), but I didn't see the attraction for users when I tried crystal. I thought it felt nasty and cheap.
On the other hand, the opiates (heroin, morphine, etc.) are some of the least toxic drugs known to man.

I think the question is a personal one. That's why there's no one drug that hooks everybody. Also, availablity is a major issue, and this differs depending on one's locale. Heroin is extremely hard to get here (you might see it around once or twice a year), so we don't have many heroin addicts (oxycontin is another issue altogether though). Prescription pills are huge here, and I've know more people addicted to Xanax and Valium than I've met addicted to most others on this list.
So there's a lot of factors to consider when judging what's really the most addictive or dangerous drug.

Aren't "opiates" and "heroin" synonymous? Well, not synonymous, but heroin is an opiate, right?

If this has already been addressed, I apologize in advance.

Legalize it all.
How’s that for rational?
I agree. Legalize it, tax it, and regulate it.

These results are ridiculous, I really have no bloody idea what the hell you goddamn crazies are thinking. As bad as nicotine is, it does not hold a candle to heroin or cocaine; the people who are voting for nicotine or alcohol obviously have no idea what these drugs are or what they can do.

Oddly enough though, the author left out the real answer: Methamphetamines.
I was thinking the same thing. Meth is the most dangerous drug Ive ever had the displeasure to try. Of course, everyone has different experiences, and I have seen people hooked on just about everything, so I can kinda understand why the poll is so diversely spread.

Allthough two things kinda get me. Nicotine technically isn't too bad for you, compared to cigarettes on a whole.. Its when its combined with tar and carcinogens that it kills you. And who the fuck voted for marijuana? WTF?

Aren't "opiates" and "heroin" synonymous? Well, not synonymous, but heroin is an opiate, right?

If this has already been addressed, I apologize in advance.
Yes, it is. This is an error made by the OP.

Aren't "opiates" and "heroin" synonymous? Well, not synonymous, but heroin is an opiate, right?

If this has already been addressed, I apologize in advance.
Yeah, heroin is an opiate. Along with Morphine, Oxycontin, Opium, etc.

Yeah, heroin is an opiate. Along with Morphine, Oxycontin, Opium, etc.
So, what's with the poll options?

Yeah, heroin is an opiate. Along with Morphine, Oxycontin, Opium, etc.

The o.p. either didn't know, or he wanted to have pharmacutical opiates as a different category from herion.

I see a problem with this thread: the question is paralogical.
Saying "What do you think is the statistically most?" is like solving an equation and saying "X is 14, but what do you believe it is?".

That wouldve been the intent of this entire thread. Once again, I am doing no more than asking people what they believe, according to statistics, not their own beliefs, the most dangerous drug is. Please don't read into it more than you have to. I'm trying to surprise people with the fact that alcohol is, according to current studies and statistics, the most dangerous and addictive drug. Nothing more.

Sure, heroin can get you dependent a lot easier, but the fact is that statistics still show that alcohol dependency as more than three times higher.

The o.p. either didn't know, or he wanted to have pharmacutical opiates as a different category from herion.

You're right. I already covered this a few times.

no meth? it's pretty addictive, I have tried all the others, and meth was the one that was both hardest to give up and caused the most problems

Okay. Someone please take this thread and remake it in like a month or however long it takes so people aren't pissed.

This time don't be stupid like me and phrase the question so it asks "What drug do statistics and studies find not only as the most addictive (highest rates of dependence) but most harmful to the body?"

Sorry guys. I should've made it clearer.