NationStates Jolt Archive


Arguments anyone?

Esotericain
05-11-2005, 04:52
Whose viewpoints have actually been changed as a result of arguing here on nationstates?

Anyone go from creationist to not?
Republican to democrat?
Christian (other religions included since i see no threads on them) to atheist?
etc. etc. etc.

Learning is good and all... and just remember all I'm doing is asking a question.
Callisdrun
05-11-2005, 04:53
I've become more extreme in how left-wing I am.
Esotericain
05-11-2005, 04:55
argh, i shouldve put more effort into the thread. i mean has anyone become what they were arguing against?
Neo Kervoskia
05-11-2005, 04:59
I'm not a socialist anymore, but it's not because of NS, well somewhat.
Defiantland
05-11-2005, 05:00
No, I haven't, but I HAVE found better ways to argue my case from other posters. They bring up great arguments I never thought of (or did, and just didn't know how to say it).
Yupaenu
05-11-2005, 05:02
i put yes before i read all of the responces, i didn't know it meant if we'd changed to what we'd argued against.
i've changed position, but not to what i was arguing against.
Rotovia-
05-11-2005, 05:03
argh, i shouldve put more effort into the thread. i mean has anyone become what they were arguing against?
I've become more cynical and less tolerant of the ignorant and/or those of differing veiws. But alas, no conservative has been able to convince me to abandon all reason yet.
Smunkeeville
05-11-2005, 05:05
I am ashamed to admit it (maybe not) but my views on abortion have changed a lot (not anything to do with the thred today, it was a thred in august) Apparently my new improved more liberal views are still upsetting to the more rabid pro-choicers though, oh well. I don't live to please anyone, except God, and I don't think that changing my views to make someone else happy would make God happy.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
05-11-2005, 05:05
I have become much more confirmed in my views, and on the ignorance of the other sides. Sort of like tempering steel, only with more fascist gets yelling at me.
PasturePastry
05-11-2005, 05:08
The only way I think my opinion has changed is that I have become more polarized on some issues. At the same time, I have learned not to argue with people that are not interested in listening.
Esotericain
05-11-2005, 05:15
I am ashamed to admit it (maybe not) but my views on abortion have changed a lot (not anything to do with the thred today, it was a thred in august) Apparently my new improved more liberal views are still upsetting to the more rabid pro-choicers though, oh well. I don't live to please anyone, except God, and I don't think that changing my views to make someone else happy would make God happy.

If I was God, I'd definitely let you into heaven.
"I love you too, little guy. ;) "
Kreitzmoorland
05-11-2005, 05:17
argh, i shouldve put more effort into the thread. i mean has anyone become what they were arguing against?
This happens to me with tolerable frequency. I'm a totall sucker for a smartly written, appealing, and cogent argument.
I often go into denial about it, but in fact, my opinion had been changed. Until the next time.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
05-11-2005, 05:20
I've become more cynical and less tolerant of the ignorant and/or those of differing veiws. But alas, no conservative has been able to convince me to abandon all reason yet.

Um...I feel strange. I...I...agree. And that's not possible. I am incapable of agreeing with Rotovia on anything. Of course I would replace "conservative" with "bible banging Jesus-freak". But I would also add pink-o commies.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
05-11-2005, 05:20
This happens to me with tolerable frequency. I'm a totall sucker for a smartly written, appealing, and cogent argument.
I often go into denial about it, but in fact, my opinion had been changed. Until the next time.
So you just agree with whatever the last guy (provided he had some speeching skills) said, is what your saying?
And where are you finding well written arguments on NS? Or are you just talking in general terms?
Maineiacs
05-11-2005, 05:25
No one's changed my mind about any topic. Several have managed to cement what I already believed, though. Besides, I thought that the purpose of debates on General wasn't to convince each other, I thought we were all just supposed to scream inanely at the top of our lungs. :D
Maineiacs
05-11-2005, 05:28
I am ashamed to admit it (maybe not) but my views on abortion have changed a lot (not anything to do with the thred today, it was a thred in august) Apparently my new improved more liberal views are still upsetting to the more rabid pro-choicers though, oh well. I don't live to please anyone, except God, and I don't think that changing my views to make someone else happy would make God happy.


We actually come kind of close to agreeing on that, Smunkee. Which one of us should be worried? :eek: :D
Letila
05-11-2005, 05:28
I used to be a conservative and now I'm an anarchist, so that's a rather big change.
Esotericain
05-11-2005, 05:29
No one's changed my mind about any topic. Several have managed to cement what I already believed, though. Besides, I thought that the purpose of debates on General wasn't to convince each other, I thought we were all just supposed to scream inanely at the top of our lungs. :D

Hahahahahaha :D

But seriously:

CLEAVE THYSELF TO MY WILL
Maineiacs
05-11-2005, 05:38
I used to be a conservative and now I'm an anarchist, so that's a rather big change.


"a rather big change"? that's damn near a 180! What made you leave the Sith?
Letila
05-11-2005, 05:43
"a rather big change"? that's damn near a 180! What made you leave the Sith?

I guess seeing that there was much more to the political spectrum than I was aware of and that my original conception of politics was very flawed. That was what got me questioning conservativism, at least.
Smunkeeville
05-11-2005, 13:23
We actually come kind of close to agreeing on that, Smunkee. Which one of us should be worried? :eek: :D
you should, if I became more like you I would be approaching "normal" if you become more like me then you are fastly approaching "the fringe":eek: :D
Maineiacs
05-11-2005, 16:24
you should, if I became more like you I would be approaching "normal" if you become more like me then you are fastly approaching "the fringe":eek: :D



Aww... Isn't that cute? She thinks I'm normal. *ROTFL*
Smunkeeville
05-11-2005, 19:53
Aww... Isn't that cute? She thinks I'm normal. *ROTFL*
well not normal normal, but in a range of abnormalness you are far closer to normal than I am :p
Uber Awesome
05-11-2005, 19:59
My views have changed since I started playing NS, and I suppose that has been in part due to debate.
Eichen
05-11-2005, 20:00
I've become a bit less radical (slightly more compromising on a few issues).
On other issues, I've become more confident in the practicality of hard-lined libertarian philosophy. Mostly in the areas of capitalism vs. socialism/communism, since the arguments are honestly laughable ("there's never been a true commie state, so it must work since it looks teh goodness on paper!").
Eutrusca
05-11-2005, 20:09
Whose viewpoints have actually been changed as a result of arguing here on nationstates?

Anyone go from creationist to not?
Republican to democrat?
Christian (other religions included since i see no threads on them) to atheist?
etc. etc. etc.

Learning is good and all... and just remember all I'm doing is asking a question.
My rather right-wing views have moderated a bit, although they weren't that strong to begin with.
Uber Awesome
05-11-2005, 20:12
My views have changed since I started playing NS, and I suppose that has been in part due to debate.

Oh, I should have said that I've been on NS since early 2003, but my old nations are all dead from inactivity - My change didn't happen in just one month.
Sick Nightmares
05-11-2005, 20:27
I'm not a socialist anymore, but it's not because of NS, well somewhat.
YYAAYYYYYY *Does a capitalist dance on his desk*
Sick Nightmares
05-11-2005, 20:28
I've become more cynical and less tolerant of the ignorant and/or those of differing veiws. But alas, no conservative has been able to convince me to abandon all reason yet.
We'll get you yet, damnit! *rubs hands together and scowls*