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MAR DEL PLATA, Argentina - Thousands of demonstrators flooded the streets of this seaside resort Friday chanting "Get out Bush" as the U.S. president sought to promote free trade at a divided Summit of the Americas. Protests turned violent with about 1,000 people shattering shopfronts with clubs and pelting riot police with stones. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez addressed about 10,000 peaceful protesters before the violence, vowing to bury a plan to create one of the world's largest free trade zones.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/business/global_economy

What is your point?

MAR DEL PLATA, Argentina - Thousands of demonstrators flooded the streets of this seaside resort Friday chanting "Get out Bush" as the U.S. president sought to promote free trade at a divided Summit of the Americas. Protests turned violent with about 1,000 people shattering shopfronts with clubs and pelting riot police with stones. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez addressed about 10,000 peaceful protesters before the violence, vowing to bury a plan to create one of the world's largest free trade zones.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/business/global_economy

So you are going to fight bush by shattering your own stores and malls..makes sense! :rolleyes:

Anger in streets over Bush, economic policies as leaders gather

Friday, November 4, 2005; Posted: 6:52 p.m. EST (23:52 GMT)

MAR DEL PLATA, Argentina (CNN) -- Protesters set one building on fire Friday and threw objects at police in the streets of this resort city as the leaders of 34 nations began the fourth Summit of the Americas.

Small bands of demonstrators threw Molotov cocktails, set bonfires in the streets with items looted from stores, burned American flags and set a bank ablaze.

Argentine police responded with tear gas to disperse the demonstrators, who did not breach the security cordon set up around the hotel where the summit was taking place.

The protest was not visible from the summit site, about a mile away. (Watch as protesters set a building on fire -- 1:25)

Local media reported at least 20 injuries, but that number has not been independently confirmed.

The demonstrators retreated after about an hour, and two hours later there was an eerie calm on the streets just before sundown, CNN Producer Alec Mirian said.

Earlier in the day, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez led thousands of protesters in a rally against President Bush's policies.

link with 3 video clips

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/11/04/bush.summit/index.html

It is because, shock horror, he makes Saddam look like Santa Clause right now

It is because, shock horror, he makes Saddam look like Santa Clause right now
What? Santa killed far more people than Saddam did.

It is because, shock horror, he makes Saddam look like Santa Clause right nowBush is also making Chavez...the most popular president of the Americas...ever...

as we speak...Chavez is becoming more popular than a Rock superstar or a Football superstar.

one of the perks of being President / PM...

...having your picture taken with Chavez.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20051104/capt.edb12211042338.argentina_americas_summit_edb122.jpg

caption: "Hi mom..its me"

Meh, it's there right to prostest.

More Bush protests, nothing new here.

Bush is also making Chavez...the most popular president of the Americas...ever...

as we speak...Chavez is becoming more popular than a Rock superstar or a Football superstar.

Chavez is setting up an Anti US alliance if you haven't noticed. He's has met almost all of the So called 'threats' against the United States, like Iran and France and Cuba.

Chavez is setting up an Anti US alliance if you haven't noticed. He's has met almost all of the So called 'threats' against the United States, like Iran and France and Cuba.

Of all those you mentioned, only Iran is a threat to the United States. France and Cuba don't count on an army of zealots willing to commit suicide attacks. France or Cuba would have to fight a conventional war against the US and would be easily crushed. Neither one presents a threat. Not to mention the fact that France is an ally of the US.

Chavez is setting up an Anti US alliance if you haven't noticed. He's has met almost all of the So called 'threats' against the United States, like Iran and France and Cuba.and this is the president of France? or the president of Iran?

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20051018/i/r1307767916.jpg

This is just going to degenerate into a pro/anti Chavez crap flinging contest very shortly. :rolleyes:

People protest against Bush. Big deal- he's not popular in the hemisphere, did I miss that news bulletin?

This is just going to degenerate into a pro/anti Chavez crap flinging contest very shortly.Its part of the Game.

I am ready for it.

good
These come up once a bloody week!

Its not the same without Mestacala around :p :D :D

Its not the same without Mestacala around :p :D :Dtrue.:D

Was he banned or something?

true.:D

Was he banned or something?

Nah, think he finally went to find some claims to back up some of his points :D

This is just going to degenerate into a pro/anti Chavez crap flinging contest very shortly. :rolleyes:

People protest against Bush. Big deal- he's not popular in the hemisphere, did I miss that news bulletin?

in the hemisphere? So, if he isnt popular in the western hemisphere, and we know he isnt popular in the eastern hemisphere because that includes all of Europe, the Middle East, Asia, Africa, and Australia. His popularity in the US is under 50% and the northern hemisphere includes all of Europe and Asia, so he isnt popular there either, that leaves only the southern hemisphere. Anyone know Bush's popularity in Brasil, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina (oops, we already know they dont like him there), Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, South Africa, and Australia? Gee, it almost seems like it wouldve been more accurate to say "he's not popular in the world".

Ocean Drive you talking about Chavez again?! Cmon now Im begining to think you are him!

and this is the president of France? or the president of Iran?

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20051018/i/r1307767916.jpg
Actually, Berlusconi has just been nuancing his "commitment". He's an idiot, but in the sense that it took him time to realise you shouldn't walk hand-in-hand with President Bush, unless you want your hand dirty with oil.

What is your point?

His point is that Ocean hates Bush and hates the US, and likes seeing any story where someone agrees with him.

Ahhh, President Chavez, IE: Michael Moore with a country :P

His point is that Ocean hates Bush and hates the US, and likes seeing any story where someone agrees with him.
If you could experience the consequences of your lovely American administration, you'd feel the same way.

Ocean Drive you talking about Chavez again?! Cmon now Im begining to think you are him!tell Sierra about it :D

he has made a tread about that... :headbang:

Nah, think he finally went to find some claims to back up some of his points :Dstill waiting for him...

lol at Chavez

what's his problem with free trade?

is he that freaking communist? is his country so weak that free trade would hurt it?

Free trade is good policy

economics/business lesson:

free enterprise leads to strong economies, good products, a multi-skilled work force, etc.

If Chavez's country is so weak economically, perhaps he should check into free enterprise so that free trade benefits his country... as opposed to messing things up for free trade and everyone who would benefit from it.

If you could experience the consequences of your lovely American administration, you'd feel the same way.

I haven't felt any consequences and I live in the United States.

lol at Chavez

what's his problem with free trade?

is he that freaking communist? is his country so weak that free trade would hurt it?

Free trade is good policy

economics/business lesson:

free enterprise leads to strong economies, good products, a multi-skilled work force, etc.

If Chavez's country is so weak economically, perhaps he should check into free enterprise so that free trade benefits his country... as opposed to messing things up for free trade and everyone who would benefit from it.

Like most of Central America. They have agreed to CAFTA.

lol at Chavez

what's his problem with free trade?"free trade" is an expression...Bush is not proposing 100% free trade.

Bush is proposing a Trade treaty... and Chavez says "thanks, but no thanks, we Latin-Americans have to agree between us first...make a Latin American economic Union... and then negotiate with the US as equals"

He is in many ways Bush's worst nightmare...after OBL.

lol at Chavez

what's his problem with free trade?

is he that freaking communist?

Yes he is a Freaking Communist. Or at least a freaking Socialist.


is his country so weak that free trade would hurt it?

It's not about 'his' country, he's sick of the US exploiting third World Countries for their labor and resources.


Free trade is good policy

economics/business lesson:

free enterprise leads to strong economies, good products, a multi-skilled work force, etc. .
Then why is the US so weak economic wise right now? Where is the 'Multi-Skilled Workforce, Oh yeah now I remember, BEING SLAVE LABOR IN CHINA! And now there will be SLAVE LABOR in South America. (Okay 'techincally' it's not slave labor but working 18 hour days for around 25 cents is close enough.)

If Chavez's country is so weak economically, perhaps he should check into free enterprise so that free trade benefits his country... as opposed to messing things up for free trade and everyone who would benefit from it.

Only people I see would actually benefit from it would be CEOs and Stockholders. And perhaps the US consumer until they run out of money because their jobs have been outsourced, for the 25 cents per day in China.

If Bush really cared about making Jobs he would stop with the tax cut for the Rich and put a tax on Imports that were made with outsourced labor.

"free trade" is an expression...Bush is not proposing 100% free trade.

Bush is proposing a Trade treaty... and Chavez says "thanks, but no thanks, we Latin-Americans have to agree between us first...make a Latin American economic Union... and then negotiate with the US as equals"Bush... objective is to get a key April deadline for the signing.
His game plan is the usual quick secret 1-on-1 meetings with Presidents...offer them sugar or vinegar.

Chavez objective is to stall the US sponsored trade deal.
His game-plan is participate at popular street rallies with the local people...and show the local people is behind him.

Then why is the US so weak economic wise right now?

We are? Last time I checked, our economy is still growing and jobs are still being created. Doesn't sound like we are weak economically right now.

If Bush really cared about making Jobs he would stop with the tax cut for the Rich and put a tax on Imports that were made with outsourced labor.

Shall we have another economic lesson or are we actually passed that stage since no one knows economics anymore?

Bush... objective is to get a key April deadline for the signing.

Many nations have already agreed to sign on to CAFTA.

His game plan is the usual quick secret 1-on-1 meetings with Presidents...offer them sugar or vinegar.

Proof please?

Chavez objective is to stall the US sponsored trade deal.
His game-plan is participate at popular street rallies with the local people...and show the local people is behind him.

Which won't work because many nations have already agreed to sign onto CAFTA.

Do you like quoting yourself?

Do you like quoting yourself?not really.

...but sometimes it can be a way to say things...

We are? Last time I checked, our economy is still growing and jobs are still being created. Doesn't sound like we are weak economically right now.



Shall we have another economic lesson or are we actually passed that stage since no one knows economics anymore?

You measure sucess on how much profit a company gets correct? There should be more to economics than that. If this is true then robbing Banks are good economics.

Chavez objective is to stall the US sponsored trade deal.
His game-plan is to participate at popular street rallies with the local people...and show the local people is behind him.
Which won't work because many nations have already agreed to sign onto CAFTA.there is just so much an elected President can do...when most of the people in the streets is screaming against a proposed policy...

once upon a time...the US president was sitting on the Americas trade-negotiating-table with US installed Latin Dictators...everybody was smiling...and the security was provided by the CIA...

but not today...not this time.

You measure sucess on how much profit a company gets correct? There should be more to economics than that. If this is true then robbing Banks are good economics.
How do you measure economic success?

You measure sucess on how much profit a company gets correct? There should be more to economics than that. If this is true then robbing Banks are good economics.

I do? Sorry but I go by job numbers and the GDP. Job numbers is on the rise and our GDP is growing. To me, this means that our economy isn't weak. Not by any stretches of the imagination.

there is just so much an elected President can do...when most of the people in the streets is screaming against a proposed policy...

This is in Argentina right? I haven't heard about protests in El Salvador, Panama, Costa Rica, or other Latin American Country.

This is in Argentina right? I haven't heard about protests in El Salvador, Panama, Costa Rica, or other Latin American Country.Everytime Bush chooses to show up for trade talks... in any of those countries...there will be protests..he shall be greeted with chants of Bush is Facist and Bush is a Terrorist...Just like in Argentina.

Everytime Bush chooses to show up for trade talks... in any of those countries...there will be protests..he shall be greeted with chants of Bush is Facist and Bush is a Terrorist...Just like in Argentina.

Ocean Drive, there's protests whenever world leaders meet to talk about something. It is nothing new.

Ocean Drive, there's protests whenever world leaders ....so why all the banners say Bush?

with the exeption of this one:

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20051105/2005_11_04t111316_450x202_us_latam_summit.jpg

so why all the banners say Bush?

Because he is the leader of the Worlds only superpower. I guess you didn't know that.

Because he is the leader of the Worlds only superpower. I guess you didn't know that.when Clinton was there...it was nothing like that

We were NOT one of the most hated countries in the World.

why was there not that much hate when Clinton was there?

Because Clinton was weak on Foriegn Policy and Stronger on domestic issues. For some reason, the rest of the world likes it when we have a weak foriegn policy president.

Because Clinton was weak on Foriegn Policy and Stronger on domestic issues. For some reason, the rest of the world likes it when we have a weak foriegn policy president.four more years!!!

lets change the constitution so we can keep our "foreign-issues-specialist" President...:rolleyes:

or lets elect Jeb Bush.

Give me 4 more years of Bush!!!

when Clinton was there...it was nothing like that
We were NOT one of the most hated countries in the World.

We were hated enough to be attacked repeatedly by terrorists and to have 9/11 planned on Clinton's watch.

We were hated enough to be attacked repeatedly by terrorists and to have 9/11 planned on Clinton's watch.we were badly hated by a few arabs and Palestineans (because of Israel)...

Now the hate is Worldwide (not all...but most)

four more years!!!

lets change the constitution so we can keep our "foreign-issues-specialist" President...:rolleyes:

or lets elect Jeb Bush.

Give me 4 more years of Bush!!!

I would oppose such an amendment and I need to see who the dems put up before I decide whom I'll vote for.

we were badly hated by a few arabs and Palestineans (because of Israel)...

Now the hate is Worldwide (not all...but most)

Actually some of the Arabs liked Clinton. Some claimed Monica as a Jewish plot. (Her last name didn't help any) That it was a plan to ruin Clinton because he didn't try to follow Israel's plans. (Or some other crap :rolleyes: )

Some also for some reason many liked Gore, maybe it was because of the 'Al' Gore part. And some Arabs used that fact as propaganda to why Gore lost.

Some claimed Monica as a Jewish plot. (Her last name didn't help any) That it was a plan to ruin Clinton because he didn't try to follow Israel's plans. ...LOL...the ugly fat bioch was Jewish?

LOL...the ugly fat bioch was Jewish?
I personally don't know but Lewinsky I think is a Jewish name.

Honestly, was this worth a new thread? We know how much you hate Bush Ocean, and we know that there are other people who are willing to protest against him. This isn't much more then spam and Bush-bashing neatly rolled into one.

Honestly, was this worth a new thread? honestly?

Absolutely Yes :D

four more years!!!

lets change the constitution so we can keep our "foreign-issues-specialist" President...:rolleyes:


That reminds me of Watchmen and the Committee to Re-Elect the President: C.R.E.E.P.

lol at Chavez

what's his problem with free trade?

is he that freaking communist? is his country so weak that free trade would hurt it?

Free trade is good policy

economics/business lesson:

free enterprise leads to strong economies, good products, a multi-skilled work force, etc.

If Chavez's country is so weak economically, perhaps he should check into free enterprise so that free trade benefits his country... as opposed to messing things up for free trade and everyone who would benefit from it.

Free enterprise between countries means that companies within each country compete with one another. American companies are much, much, MUCH stronger, to the point where they'd wipe out all competition, and could basically force any and all working conditions. Non-American workers would obviously be pissed, but they either have to work with the American company or not work at all. As with NAFTA, a majority of the goods produced would probably be returned to the United States to sell at a cheaper rate. Which, following the law of supply and demand, would force the American companies to pay non-American workers even less.