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It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?

"Eeeuw" is my comment. Eeeuw.

*takes a drag*

You need not worry. There is no conspiracy to ban cigarettes any more than there is a conspiracy to ban certain players from this site.

Craving fags?

Har har.

I'm with you TInk. Smoking should be banned from a lot of public places, although I'm for smoking/non-smoking sections in places like pubs. But I would like to see it restricted to private residences, if only for health reasons.

*takes a drag*

You need not worry. There is no conspiracy to ban cigarettes any more than there is a conspiracy to ban certain players from this site.
are you actually the former Smoking Man or just some wannabe?

*takes a drag*

You need not worry. There is no conspiracy to ban cigarettes any more than there is a conspiracy to ban certain players from this site.

Ooh, that's a convenient appearance by you. I think that's the conspiracy, how you always show up in the fitting threads. o_O O_o

Craving fags?

Har har.
watch it Fass ;)

watch it Fass ;)

What? I hate that word in the American sense.

I wouldn't mind smoking so much if it wasn't such a dirty habit. People smell bad, their clothes smell bad, and most smokers feel that throwing their ashes and stubs on the floor is perfectly appropiate.

Still, I think clubs and pubs should allow smoking, and maybe other places should have a smoking area.

I'm non-smoker which helps with lowering insurance premiums a little.

imho, smoking tobacco is pointless. you get nothing out of it other than stinky breath and an addiction and cancer.
smoking weed, now there's a point.

so if people want to do it, fine, go ahead. just don't do it when i'm sitting down for a meal (thats the worst!:mad: ), or where i work. also, the government needs to continue discouraging people from consuming this demerit good through taxes and education.

are you actually the former Smoking Man or just some wannabe?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354687

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364982

What? I hate that word in the American sense.
*shrugs* ah lighten up

Smoking is a slow form of suicide. End of Discussion.

Personally, I have never been a cigarette smoker. I have smoked them, but have no desire to and no need for nicotine.
I do smoke cigars on occaison, during the warmer months and never inside. Maybe one every week or so, when conditions permit. A good cigar in the sixe I like lasts over an hour and conditions dont always permit that.
I wouldnt smoke inside my home, or anyone elses for that matter. And I wouldnt smoke in a bar, pub or restaurant, or anywhere where I would subject someone else to my smoke. Its way too offensive for someone that doesnt love it and I wouldnt expect someone to tolerate it. After I smoke a cigar, I always brush my teeth and tongue and usually change whatever I'm wearing-I'm aware of the stench of lingering stale smoke.

Its not a habit for me, just a pleasant interlude, when I have the time to relax. For anyone that smokes out of habit, I feel sorry for them-I know its addictive, its a bad habit for health and hygiene and its no longer cheap at $5.00 a pack in the US. At a modest pack a day, thats roughly $150.00 per month that could go toward something that wouldnt kill you slowly and miserbly later in life.

Smoking in pubs and restaurants has been banned here recently, something which I am very grateful for. It stinks, makes your clothes stink, and the constant smoke exposure is very bad for the health of the employees.

I think smoking has only positive sides.

Smokers look cool AND they die young (well at least younger than the rest). What more could possibly you want? :p

Joking aside, as long as smoking in pubs/clubs is allowed and there are smoking compartments in trains, I have no problems.

Smoking in pubs and restaurants has been banned here recently, something which I am very grateful for. I stinks, makes your clothes stink, and the constant smoke exposure is very bad for the health of the employees.

It really has been great. I eat out at restaurants a lot more often nowadays when there are no smokers there to ruin it for me. :)

*shrugs* ah lighten up

More flaming references you want to get in?

It really has been great. I eat out at restaurants a lot more often nowadays when there are no smokers there to ruin it for me. :)

Apparently nicotine gum and the likes have been selling much more lately. I think come winter a lot of people are going to give it up entirely (the alternative of going outside in the freezing cold isn't very appealing).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354687

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364982
ah, okies, did he ever tell anyone who he was?

I do smoke cigars on occaison, during the warmer months and never inside. Maybe one every week or so, when conditions permit. A good cigar in the sixe I like lasts over an hour and conditions dont always permit that.


mmm i could really go for a good cigar right about now :)

I really don't care myself. I don't smoke - I gave it up about a year ago - but if other people want to smoke, let them. OK, so the rest of us are inhaling their second hand smoke, but there's plenty of other things that could kill us anyway. We all have a vice or 17. Sustained smoking is probably more dangerous than moderate alcohol intake, obesity and whatnot, but ultimately if all that really matters is pristine health, then fatty foods and booze ought to be banned under similar circumstances as smoking. I only see mild attempts at discouraging these things.

Anyway, if the government are so anti-smoking and so pro-public health, then why don't they just ban it altogether? Oh, hang on a minute, they would be devoid of millions of pounds of revenue then!

Apparently nicotine gum and the likes have been selling much more lately. I think come winter a lot of people are going to give it up entirely (the alternative of going outside in the freezing cold isn't very appealing).

I have known quite a few people who have become more adictted to the gum than they ever were to the cigarettes...


Of course it doesn't stop me being an evil anti smoking nazi who thinks that lighting up in public should carry a mandatory manslaughter charge...

Apparently nicotine gum and the likes have been selling much more lately. I think come winter a lot of people are going to give it up entirely (the alternative of going outside in the freezing cold isn't very appealing).

Skadeglädjen är den enda sanna glädjen! :D

Smoking is a slow form of suicide. End of Discussion.

Living is a slow form of suicide. Smoking just speeds up the process.

When all you anti-smokers gather 'round and start agreeing about how vile, disgusting, disdainful and just plain pointless cigarette smoking is, it makes me want to puke! Seriously, it has the same flavor as a bunch of 23 year old single mothers clucking like hens over a 39 year old metrosexual father-figure type's ass.

That said...

mho, smoking tobacco is pointless. you get nothing out of it other than stinky breath and an addiction and cancer.
smoking weed, now there's a point.

Oh right. Stinky breath, addiction and cancer, and a sudden craving to watch the Teletubbies! What a fantastic point. ;)

You don't have to understand the use of a cigarette, but there is one. I could list the reasons here but I'm too lazy. I drew up a list of about 30 possible reasons to smoke at various given times.

so if people want to do it, fine, go ahead. just don't do it when i'm sitting down for a meal (thats the worst! ), or where i work. also, the government needs to continue discouraging people from consuming this demerit good through taxes and education.

Where do you work?

See, some people work at places called private businesses, paid for and owned by and managed by private citizens, and if they allow smoking in their business who are you to say otherwise? Just because you work there? That doesn't give you a right to dictate to your employers how he does his thing, if you didn't like it you should have thought twice about applying for the job.

It really has been great. I eat out at restaurants a lot more often nowadays when there are no smokers there to ruin it for me. :)

I've had a meal ruined in the past by people smoking nearby.

I dont know how old you are, but years back, I suffered through a few long plane flights when smoking was till allowed. That was pure misery. I also worked in an office where it seemed most were smokers, before that ban. When I left for the day, I stunk-my hair, my clothes. In the office everything smelled-my phone, my computer-the freaking windows had a yellow tint.
Things have improved drastically since smoking has been eliminated in those places. For me, at least.

ah, okies, did he ever tell anyone who he was?

*takes a long drag*

I'm fairly certain it was revealed. But now we have gone off-topic for much too long. The Mods may take advantage of this to further their nonexistent conspiracy. Think about it for a moment.

mmm i could really go for a good cigar right about now :)

I still have a few cubans left from a box I got. Now, they are for special occaisons. They werent the "green" ones that have become a plaugue. They were properly aged and are sitting in my humidor.

I like La Gloria Cubana "Glorias Extra" and "Wavell". They are excellent.
There are many others I like, but I like these best for the price and availability.

*takes a long drag*

I'm fairly certain it was revealed. But now we have gone off-topic for much too long. The Mods may take advantage of this to further their nonexistent conspiracy. Think about it for a moment.
who was it revealed to?! this has been annoying me for coming up to 2 years now, i need to know

I still have a few cubans left from a box I got. Now, they are for special occaisons. They werent the "green" ones that have become a plaugue. They were properly aged and are sitting in my humidor.

I like La Gloria Cubana "Glorias Extra" and "Wavell". They are excellent.
There are many others I like, but I like these best for the price and availability.

Now all you need is a fine cognac to go with your smoke.

More flaming references you want to get in?

Try calling some one a reneger At least in the states you'll get weird looks.

When all you anti-smokers gather 'round and start agreeing about how vile, disgusting, disdainful and just plain pointless cigarette smoking is, it makes me want to puke! Seriously, it has the same flavor as a bunch of 23 year old single mothers clucking like hens over a 39 year old metrosexual father-figure type's ass.

That said...



Oh right. Stinky breath, addiction and cancer, and a sudden craving to watch the Teletubbies! What a fantastic point. ;)

You don't have to understand the use of a cigarette, but there is one. I could list the reasons here but I'm too lazy. I drew up a list of about 30 possible reasons to smoke at various given times.



Where do you work?

See, some people work at places called private businesses, paid for and owned by and managed by private citizens, and if they allow smoking in their business who are you to say otherwise? Just because you work there? That doesn't give you a right to dictate to your employers how he does his thing, if you didn't like it you should have thought twice about applying for the job.
you know, i really can't be bothered to argue back. no good will come from it, lets be honest

When all you anti-smokers gather 'round and start agreeing about how vile, disgusting, disdainful and just plain pointless cigarette smoking is, it makes me want to puke!

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It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?

I started smoking when I was 2 years old. My mother smoked, I begged for one, and she gave it to me. I smoked for 27 years before I quit almost 2 years ago. I can understand arguements for and against banning smoking. I think my solution is one that really fits into how the United States is supposed to work. The government should stay out of it, except for possibly putting prohibitions on government property or public areas. Businesses should have the right to decide for themselves, then the public (who pay those businesses) should decide if they want to support those places. Abraham Lincoln has been credited with saying, "The purpose of Government is to do for people where people cannot do for themselves. But where people can do for themselves, the Government ought not to interfere." People are perfectly capable of making this decision for themselves and choosing wether or not to give their money to businesses that agree with them. If no consumers wanted to eat in a smoke filled restaurant, the restaurants would be smoke free or go out of business. The only time the Government should have any say is in public areas (areas the Government is directly responsible for such as downtown sidewalks) and Government property such as courthouses, city offices, etc. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

Now all you need is a fine cognac to go with your smoke.

Yeah- cognac is a little too rich for me now. When I have the time, I usually have a "Balvenie" single malt Scotch someone gave me as a gift. I also have a bottle of Johnnie Walker "Blue Label", but thats from when I had the cash and only for real celebrations. Last time was my daughter's christening.

It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?
Smoking should not be banned from bars/pubs and restaurants. If the owners want to ban it on their own that is okay it's called capitalism. If people don't want to go to smoking bars/restaurants they can go where the owner has banned it and vice versa. The government is making too many decisons for us. Besides these non-smoking laws are unconstitutional and if anyone had the money to take it to the Supreme Court they would win. Unfortunately smokers don't have the money because the damn things cost a minimum of $8.50 a pack (in Canada). DOH! That stings. Now people are getting way out of control - I heard either Washington DC or Washington State was having a referendum on whether or not to ban smoking within 30 feet outside of buildings. Come on, this is getting ridiculous. I continue to smoke just as a protest against the government on this issue!!!!!!!!!!!;)

Now all you need is a fine cognac to go with your smoke.

Do you smoke cigars too, Sierra?

Smoking is a slow form of suicide.
So's life.

http://www.spacespider.net/emo/gen051.gif

Perhaps you mistook my statement of puke-desire to mean I was trying to gain sympathy, hence the violin emoticon which is of course, highly amusing.

However, when I say something makes me want to puke, I generally intend to mean total disdain and it would be the last thing in the world for me to, on this forum, make a plea for sympathy of any kind.

So, you can put away your violin. :cool:

you know, i really can't be bothered to argue back. no good will come from it, lets be honest

Well that's undoubtedly true and I understand your motives, or lack thereof heh.

It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?

Smoking sucks arse. I saw it happen. Seriously though, I think anything to cut down second-hand smoke is a good thing.

If you want to smoke, fine. As long as it's not bothering me (by which I mean making me cough, being puffed in my face etc I'm not bothered by someone walking down the street who happens to be smoking) I don't care and I won't be bothering you.

I don't see why you can't simply do something like have some bars that are non-smoking and some where smoking is allowed. Anyone would be free to go to either one (i.e. if you're friends with a smoker and aren't bothered by their smoking you can go in the smoking bar). Both would get plenty of business and everyone would be happy.

If you want to smoke, fine. As long as it's not bothering me (by which I mean making me cough, being puffed in my face etc I'm not bothered by someone walking down the street who happens to be smoking) I don't care and I won't be bothering you.

I don't see why you can't simply do something like have some bars that are non-smoking and some where smoking is allowed. Anyone would be free to go to either one (i.e. if you're friends with a smoker and aren't bothered by their smoking you can go in the smoking bar). Both would get plenty of business and everyone would be happy.

Here in the US, the trend is for the government to step in and ban all smoking in restaurants and bars (implemented as local laws - so to go to a smoking bar, you'll have to drive a bit).

After all, these laws are written by people who believe that everyone is completely stupid, and only they know what is good for you (didn't Lenin say that?).

Ooh, that's a convenient appearance by you. I think that's the conspiracy, how you always show up in the fitting threads. o_O O_o
I know. Every single time someone mentions the mod conspiracy, he's there. It's creepy. I'm glad I know his real identity now.

Take the seventh person to become a mod....... ;)

See, some people work at places called private businesses, paid for and owned by and managed by private citizens, and if they allow smoking in their business who are you to say otherwise? Just because you work there? That doesn't give you a right to dictate to your employers how he does his thing, if you didn't like it you should have thought twice about applying for the job.
erm? Welcome to the 21st century when people can actually complain if their workplace is damaging their health!

Think about it for a moment

This amuses me greatly. I applaud.
So it's you, eh?

oh dear... I'm faaar too trusting. Someone blow up Alderaan.

I hope it is. His cognisance has been gone from the general forum too long.

I know. Every single time someone mentions the mod conspiracy, he's there. It's creepy. I'm glad I know his real identity now.

Take the seventh person to become a mod....... ;)

Who was the seventh person to become a mod? Anyway, I really don't think that TSM = Cog.

erm? Welcome to the 21st century when people can actually complain if their workplace is damaging their health!

Oh well in that case, my employer always ordering me to do things gives me stress, which is scientifcally documented as a causal factor in heart disease and possible psychological problems! Therefore, to prevent any damage to my health, I DEMAND that the government impose a law BANNING employers from ordering employees to do anything!

Welcome to the 21st century! Where the law is a TOOL to help make your life FREE FROM COMPLAINT!

Who was the seventh person to become a mod? Anyway, I really don't think that TSM = Cog.
The seventh person to be modified was...



...LOL. It's just too much. It makes things painfully obvious, though. I'm surprised none of you saw it earlier. ^_^

The Smoking Man is really......it's just so obvious, I'm shocked you haven't seen it yet. I'll let you figure that one out for yourselves. ;)

Hmm. Well, it was Melkor, then Menelmacar. Not sure about order after that, but Scolopendra, Yavin, I think, and Enodia, were fairly early...Reploid too. I know Cog was modded pretty quickly, so I suppose he could be the seventh...but I have no idea when Neut/Amerigo/etc. were promoted, so I can't say. But given Cog's relative inactivity of late, it seems unlikely he'd always be ready to pounce on these threads.

Oh well in that case, my employer always ordering me to do things gives me stress, which is scientifcally documented as a causal factor in heart disease and possible psychological problems! Therefore, to prevent any damage to my health, I DEMAND that the government impose a law BANNING employers from ordering employees to do anything!

Welcome to the 21st century! Where the law is a TOOL to help make your life FREE FROM COMPLAINT!
Actually stress is what holidays are for if you are over stressed you should ask for more holidays the employer can of course deny them and if your doctor says you're over worked you can complain to the unions then they'll look into it. Also I've heard that some stress is healthy just not too much. YAY CAPITAL LETTERS!!!

The smoking debate is stupid and pointless, completely unlike the OMG MOD BIAS debate, which is fresh and interesting.

Seriously, who was seventh? I can't work out a way of working it out for myself, because of course the old threads (if they even existed) are no longer. And yes, I know TSM used to like sevens, or whatever.

Hmm. Well, it was Melkor, then Menelmacar. Not sure about order after that, but Scolopendra, Yavin, I think, and Enodia, were fairly early...Reploid too. I know Cog was modded pretty quickly, so I suppose he could be the seventh...but I have no idea when Neut/Amerigo/etc. were promoted, so I can't say. But given Cog's relative inactivity of late, it seems unlikely he'd always be ready to pounce on these threads.
I remember someone saying that the first moderators were Melkor, Siri, Amerigo, TJ, and Ineptia or Yavin—don't remember which. I forget who came next, maybe it was Scolo or Enodia. Hack, Karma, and GMC were also early ones, as was Neut and Slag. Cog, TG, Steph, Myrth, Kat, Fris, Euro, Tsar, and Unfree are sort of the "new generation" of moderators, i.e. the more recent ones.

((I do actually know the exact order, but I'm not telling you. :p))

Actually stress is what holidays are for if you are over stressed you should ask for more holidays the employer can of course deny them and if your doctor says you're over worked you can complain to the unions then they'll look into it.

Yeah, and recovery time for your lungs is also what holidays are for! Lung tissue does recover, you see, from nasty vile secondhand smoke, given time. Therefore, stress is a part of jobs, as is cigarette smoke if you work in a place that allows smoking. And if you work at a place that allows smoking and you honestly can't handle that you should think about getting a different job! Kind of like how if you're easily stressed out, you should think about jobs other than being an air traffic controller.

Why is this so hard for people to get these days?

I remember someone saying that the first moderators were Melkor, Siri, Amerigo, TJ, and Ineptia or Yavin—don't remember which. I forget who came next, maybe it was Scolo or Enodia. Hack, Karma, and GMC were also early ones, as was Neut and Slag. Cog, TG, Steph, Myrth, Kat, Fris, Euro, Tsar, and Unfree are sort of the "new generation" of moderators, i.e. the more recent ones.

((I do actually know the exact order, but I'm not telling you. :p))

So why omit Reploid, Feoras and Ineptia? And are you counting the admins, and the modling?

Smoking should be banned except for in the home (if there are children, one would have thought smokers would smoke outside just so that their children do not get lung cancer).

If people want to smoke thats fine, but they should not smoke around other people damaging other peoples health, thats a basic human right.

The smoking debate is stupid and pointless, completely unlike the OMG MOD BIAS debate, which is fresh and interesting.

Seriously, who was seventh? I can't work out a way of working it out for myself, because of course the old threads (if they even existed) are no longer. And yes, I know TSM used to like sevens, or whatever.
iExplain my logic:

The seventh moderator was Enodia. But that wouldn't make any sense, because Enodia left. The date of his departure, however, coincided with the approximate date of TFSM's creation (Enodia left on 09-05-2004 and TFSM made his first post on 09-05-2005). Besides, as he was getting more involved in RL anyway, it made sense that he wouldn't have much time to post as any other account. However, there were still a few... problems. For example, the differences in posting style were irreconcilable...

Then I looked up a few things.

TFSM was the fourteenth nation in the region "Forum 7". Could he also be the fourteenth moderator? I looked up the list again. The 14th moderator was, apparently, GMC Military Arms. No luck there. But right near that was a marking of Hack's that could make everything clear if his memory weren't so fuzzy.

I looked up a few more things.

I knew I was right now. This would explain everything.

Unfortunately, before I could find the last vital piece of information, my internet connection failed, and I lost the URL.

But I have no need of a link now. I know the truth...

It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?

it should be banned in all enclosed public spaces. what really annoys me is when people smoke upstairs on the bus. Today there was even a guy smoking reefer it was so bad.

Yeah, and recovery time for your lungs is also what holidays are for! Lung tissue does recover, you see, from nasty vile secondhand smoke, given time. Therefore, stress is a part of jobs, as is cigarette smoke if you work in a place that allows smoking. And if you work at a place that allows smoking and you honestly can't handle that you should think about getting a different job! Kind of like how if you're easily stressed out, you should think about jobs other than being an air traffic controller.

Why is this so hard for people to get these days?
yeah I kinda like space so I'll just leave school now and be an astronaut! Amazingly people who work in pubs didn't dream of having that job, it's most likely the highest paid job they can get with their current education so they won't exactly be leaving and getting a better job anytime soon.

So why omit Reploid, Feoras and Ineptia? And are you counting the admins, and the modling?
The actual order was, counting admins and mods:
(Multiples of 7 in bold)

[violet]
[dredd]
[mantle]
Melkor Unchained
Menelmacar
Amerigo
TJHairball
Feoras
Scolopendra
Enodia
Yavin
Ineptia
Reploid Productions
The SLAGLands
Neutered Sputniks
The Most Glorious Hack
SalusaSecondus
GMC Military Arms
Karmabaijan
Stephistan
Cogitation
Sirocco
Tactical Grace
Myrth
Unfree People
Katganistan
Tsaraine
Frisbeeteria
Euroslavia

That gives us four choices: TJ, Slag, Cog, Fris. TFSM isn't Cog and he couldn't very well be Fris. I doubt he's Slag, since that eminent moderator left, so that leaves TJHairball...

But I like my own theory better, because it happens to be true.

Wait, so, how are you getting this list of mods in chronological order?

Next, what do you mean, difference in styles? He's aping TSM from the X-files...unless Chris Carter is a mod, of course their styles will be different.

And I'm still confused as to these 'links'...the old threads are just full of the same old smokey (ho ho) crap.

If you're doing a 'yank his chain, hur hur' thing, then fine, but it's not funny: if you're just pretending, that's just sad.

ANYWAY, I agree with Santa Barbara. I really don't see what concern it is of the government's what I do to my body.

Why should people have to inhale other people's smoke that damages their health...the answer is they shouldn't and thus smoking should be banned everywhere except their own homes, and then if they have children i think it should be banned in the home then as well.

Smoking is a slow form of suicide. End of Discussion.
So is breathing.

Wait, so, how are you getting this list of mods in chronological order?
I found it somewhere. I don't think I'll answer any other questions right now. :) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9623636&postcount=4)

Why should people have to inhale other people's smoke that damages their health...the answer is they shouldn't and thus smoking should be banned everywhere except their own homes, and then if they have children i think it should be banned in the home then as well.
second hand smoke outside does hardly anything much less then cars so they shouldn't be banned outside.

hardly anything....so it still does something.

However, i realise compromises will have to be made, and this one i can accept, smoking outside is alot better than smoking inside. As a side note however, if smokers get 5 minute fag breaks, then so should non smokers.

Smoking pure tobacco cigarettes (filtered or non-filtered) would be fine with me, but they simply don't exist. They're filled with toxic chemicals and by-products of the manufacturing process.

Unless you can find a pure tobacco cigarette, I say no. Marijuana is far better, and it's not addictive.

The actual order was, counting admins and mods:
(Multiples of 7 in bold)

*takes a drag*

Here are some numbers that may help.

Regional Happenings

7 days ago: The Mysterious Shrouded Dominion of The Former Smoking Man arrived from Forum 7.
9 days ago: The Rogue Agent of The Smoking Man arrived from Lazarus.
9 days ago: The Rogue Agent of The Smoking Man updated the World Factbook entry.

*takes a long drag*

I'm fairly certain it was revealed. But now we have gone off-topic for much too long. The Mods may take advantage of this to further their nonexistent conspiracy. Think about it for a moment.
A little off topic but I keeping hearing references to MODs on various strings. What are/who are the MODs and do they listen to The Who?

Hum. I retract my first comment, having seen another post.

Smoking should be banned except for in the home (if there are children, one would have thought smokers would smoke outside just so that their children do not get lung cancer).

If people want to smoke thats fine, but they should not smoke around other people damaging other peoples health, thats a basic human right.

Second hand smoke does not hurt others. You should especially smoke around children and newborns to aclimatize them to our polluting world. In fact, encourage your children to smoke. Anyone who complains about smoking probably drives a SUV!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Second hand smoke does not hurt others. You should especially smoke around children and newborns to aclimatize them to our polluting world. In fact, encourage your children to smoke. Anyone who complains about smoking probably drives a SUV!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Wow, I really hope that's sarcasm...

It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?

Some, I'd say. With non-smoking areas in *all* public places.

And, oh, don't get yourself addicted, for goodness' sake, will you? Just don't touch another one of them. ;)

Smoking = bad for you.

A way I got my friend to quit smoking was to use the line "You're a pussy. Live life like the rest of us non-smokers."

Second hand smoke does not hurt others. You should especially smoke around children and newborns to aclimatize them to our polluting world. In fact, encourage your children to smoke. Anyone who complains about smoking probably drives a SUV!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
I take public transport and probably will for the next ten years.

It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?
I hate the smell. Is it possible you've been around them enough you're getting addicted, even by second hand smoke. (It happens, rarely, but it does. You have to be around a heck of a lot of smoke.)

Just curious.......how many people that support legalizing pot support banning smoking or at least limiting it to non-public areas? How many people who smoke pot actually think that it is less harmful than smoking?

A little off topic but I keeping hearing references to MODs on various strings. What are/who are the MODs and do they listen to The Who?
No. Well, except Coggy, but he's weird anyway. :p The Mods are the people who run this site. The overlords. The guardians. The moderators. The administrators. The ones who say much and reveal little. They who can take away life and return it. The lords of NationStates, Masters of the Flame. Many of them are well-known posters, such as Frisbeeteria, Cogitation, The Most Glorious Hack, Melkor Unchained, and Euroslavia. Others are little-known lurkers that step from the shadows to solve problems, such as Karmabaijan, Tsaraine, SalusaSecondus, and TJHairball. All of them are enigmas and none of them listen to obscure 60s music that much, well, most of them don't anyway. :D

I hope that clarifies things. If it doesn't, call my doctor at once, as I've been overdosing on acid.

I hope that clarifies things. If it doesn't, call my doctor at once, as I've been overdosing on acid.

My phone's broken. Can I use yours?

My phone's broken. Can I use yours?
I think I threw it out of the window...it didn't work for some reason after I accidentally sprayed it with sodium hydroxide. I wonder why?

I think I threw it out of the window...it didn't work for some reason after I accidentally sprayed it with sodium hydroxide. I wonder why?
Obviously the Electronics Gnomes stole all the wires from it. Electronics Gnomes can be summoned by spray sodium hydroxide on stuff, and then they ruin what you sprayed in some way.
Fucking gnomes.

Obviously the Electronics Gnomes stole all the wires from it. Electronics Gnomes can be summoned by spray sodium hydroxide on stuff, and then they ruin what you sprayed in some way.
Fucking gnomes.
We must kill them! Get me my neutrino ionizer electron cannon, aka hammer!

*Smashes random things*

*Cuts finger on a shark*

Ow. *smashes shark with hammer*

Anyway, back on topic.... Nothing to see here, moving along. *runs from mod conspiracy, er, justified potential lockification*

It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?
I've smoked ( this time ) for about eight years, after quitting for ten. I've quit again and again. If you have a chance to start ... don't! It's an extremely difficult habit to break. The only way I know for certain I can quit is to substitute strenuous exercise for smoking.

We must kill them! Get me my neutrino ionizer electron cannon, aka hammer!

oh don't! they're so cute!

"Eeeuw" is my comment. Eeeuw.
Not only that but i shall go as far as to say that is pathetic.

It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?
It should'nt be banned in Public places because you can become addicted.
What if you were at a Party in someones house and you are surrounded by smokers???

That dosent change anything it is up to you to not take a ciggy.

To be perfectly honest i am a little disappointed you would try it.
It is a simple word made out of two letters you still can count right?
The word is NO!
It really aint that hard to use.

*shrugs* ah lighten up
No way.

I almost ditched a friend once because she started smoking.

Of course, people in my family have died from it, and I have an allergic reaction to it that causes me to barely be able to breath, let alone talk, so I'm pretty extremely anti-smoking. I don't see why people even start, it's so stupid, we all know exactly what it does to you. Whatever, if people want to get old faster that's their choice.

I'm glad that it's not legal to do it in restaurants and such here. That would suck. It would also suck if it was legal in clubs, as then I wouldn't be able to go to any concerts.

The seventh person to be modified was...



...LOL. It's just too much. It makes things painfully obvious, though. I'm surprised none of you saw it earlier. ^_^

The Smoking Man is really......it's just so obvious, I'm shocked you haven't seen it yet. I'll let you figure that one out for yourselves. ;)
Shut up

Some, I'd say. With non-smoking areas in *all* public places.

And, oh, don't get yourself addicted, for goodness' sake, will you? Just don't touch another one of them. ;)
don't worry, i won't, they taste disgusting

Not only that but i shall go as far as to say that is pathetic.


It should'nt be banned in Public places because you can become addicted.
What if you were at a Party in someones house and you are surrounded by smokers???

That dosent change anything it is up to you to not take a ciggy.

To be perfectly honest i am a little disappointed you would try it.
It is a simple word made out of two letters you still can count right?
The word is NO!
It really aint that hard to use.you don't understand, nobody pressured me into trying it, i wanted to cause i had a craving for it, the smell of them makes me want one

I'm glad to see so many people these days supporting the banning of smoking in public places. Once upon a time a thread like this would have been filled with smokers whinging about how they should be entitled to smoke anywhere they want, and it's their body, etc, etc.

Of course, it's NOT just their body they are affecting when they smoke. I am highly sensitive to cigarette smoke - more so than other forms of pollution - and even a small amount can result in a horrible, wracking asthma attack that can last for hours. These days, smoke is about the only thing that can bring on an asthma attack - they are very rare for me other than that, though in my childhood I was much, much worse.

In my case, even places that have segregated smoking and non-smoking sections are usually out of the question, because they are often very poorly thought out or ventilated and the smoke still fills the entire area. So, however much smokers want to bang on about their rights, what has happened to my right to go to a place to eat/drink/see a band, when the actions of those smokers is directly harming me? I am effectively banned from such activities if the venues allow smoking.

But someone doesn't have to be as immediately affected as I am to suffer the consequences of being in smoky areas. The slow, steady accumulation of second-hand smoke is extremely harmful. Refer here. (http://tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0103.pdf) I see no reason why ANYONE would inflict such harm on another person by smoking in public, unless that person were a complete and utter sociopath.

Unfortunately, human beings are notorious for doing things that will harm other people without considering the consequences, so that is why governments have been increasingly (yay!) stepping in to ban smoking in public places. I am hanging out for the day where it's banned everywhere except in private homes - then I'll be out on the streets celebrating. :)

you don't understand, nobody pressured me into trying it, i wanted to cause i had a craving for it, the smell of them makes me want one
starting smoking is the single worst decision you can make that will affect your health in both the short run and the long run. dont take up a habit with so few upsides and so many downsides.

starting smoking is the single worst decision you can make that will affect your health in both the short run and the long run. dont take up a habit with so few upsides and so many downsides.
i'm not going to and i never was, i just wanted to try it and i did and it was the most vile thing i've ever tasted in my life

i'm not going to and i never was, i just wanted to try it and i did and it was the most vile thing i've ever tasted in my life
ive never smoked and i love the smell of tobacco. i even have dreams now and then about smoking.

ban it in restaurants/cafes. fine. no problem.

take my fags from me in a pub and i blow up parliament

yeah I kinda like space so I'll just leave school now and be an astronaut! Amazingly people who work in pubs didn't dream of having that job, it's most likely the highest paid job they can get with their current education so they won't exactly be leaving and getting a better job anytime soon.

They don't need to find a BETTER job or a DREAM job.

Just one that doesn't involve working in a place that allows, and experiences a lot of indoor smoking.

Why should people have to inhale other people's smoke that damages their health...the answer is they shouldn't and thus smoking should be banned everywhere except their own homes, and then if they have children i think it should be banned in the home then as well.

Why should people have to inhale other people's automobile pollution that damages their health... the answer is they shouldn't and thus cars should be banned everywhere except in their own homes, and then if they have children it should be banned there and everyone can ride bicycles. The benefit is, of course, bicycle riding is FAR more healthy!

...and yet so many (though admittedly not all) anti-smokers are perfectly fine with auto pollution.

Apparently, inhaling damaging toxic smoke thats been linked with cancer isn't such a big deal if you think it's "necessary," as cars are supposedly "necessary."

Well, here's what I say to those of you who think auto pollution is fine because its necessary and smoking isn't because it isn't: my personal rights are NECESSARY.

second hand smoke outside does hardly anything much less then cars so they shouldn't be banned outside.

I'm actually really glad you make this point. Too many people are brainwashed into believing that anyone smoking a cigarette within 100 meters of you in a park is actually murdering you and your children with cancer with each puff.

Of course maybe thats cuz we in the US get the most anti-smoking propaganda in schools and newspapers.... none at all that even incourages carpooling or public transportation.

We're programmed to worship the car (and everyone having their own car), but fear and hate the smoker.

Wow, I really hope that's sarcasm...
Maybe so maybe not - especially not - the part about SUVs. I hate those things. They should be banned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

I'm with you TInk. Smoking should be banned from a lot of public places, although I'm for smoking/non-smoking sections in places like pubs. But I would like to see it restricted to private residences, if only for health reasons.
Exactly there is a difference between smoking in general use public buildings and thoes places where there is a reasonable expectation that people will be smoking

Smoking is a slow form of suicide. End of Discussion.

Guess not.

No. Well, except Coggy, but he's weird anyway. :p The Mods are the people who run this site. The overlords. The guardians. The moderators. The administrators. The ones who say much and reveal little. They who can take away life and return it. The lords of NationStates, Masters of the Flame. Many of them are well-known posters, such as Frisbeeteria, Cogitation, The Most Glorious Hack, Melkor Unchained, and Euroslavia. Others are little-known lurkers that step from the shadows to solve problems, such as Karmabaijan, Tsaraine, SalusaSecondus, and TJHairball. All of them are enigmas and none of them listen to obscure 60s music that much, well, most of them don't anyway. :D

I hope that clarifies things. If it doesn't, call my doctor at once, as I've been overdosing on acid.
Okay dokey. And what is the conspiracy? Is it against you? :confused:

starting smoking is the single worst decision you can make that will affect your health in both the short run and the long run. dont take up a habit with so few upsides and so many downsides.
I don't know when I was hooked on crack it was a worse decision. Although if you want to lose weight quick I highly recommend it!!!

Maybe so maybe not - especially not - the part about SUVs. I hate those things. They should be banned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
Thats why I drive a full sized truck ... though my dad has an SUV
Comes in handy

If you want to smoke in the street or your own home/car, no problems. I don't think you should smoke where it affects others; eg work, pubs, restaurants, public transport & other enclosed spaces.

I found it somewhere. I don't think I'll answer any other questions right now. :) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9623636&postcount=4)

Cunning

Since I don't care to breath in the deadly smoke from other peoples cancer sticks they should be banned from all public places. You can kill yourselves and the ones you love through second-hand smoke in the privacy of your own homes.

They don't need to find a BETTER job or a DREAM job.

Just one that doesn't involve working in a place that allows, and experiences a lot of indoor smoking.

They have a right to work where they want without unnecessary detrimental effects on their health.if they had an unsanitary cafeteria nobody would care if they were complaining,i dont think anyone is going to stand up for the right of cafeteria workers to spit in the soup.so surely it's understanable that they dont want to work every night in an enclosed place full of second hand smoke from dozens of ciggarettes,or more.

Smokers baffle me. it stinks. you stink. your hands stink. your clothes stink. it makes me stink when I walk through your cloud of stink. It gives you cancer. it gives you heart disease. it makes you cough. you can't exercise as much. it costs a fortune. half of all smokers toss their butts on the ground, or out the car window, starting fires.

but it's your health, and even though it costs me as a taxpayer, do what you want. just leave me out of it. not in my house, not in front of busy access doors to public buildings (that annoys me the most!!!) in restaurants and pubs, clubs, theatre, sure you can smoke, as long as the place has a smoking section that is properly ventilated that clean air and stinky air don't mix.

that's all I have to say about that.

Thank you.

Those of you who demand the right to smoke: Whenever you demand to smoke, that's not you talking. That's the cigarette. Sure, the native americans didn't get all these problems when they smoked peace pipes alot. Then again, they didn't have the urge to inhale nicotine(which is MUCH more deadly than arsenic), rat poison, or any other toxin. They didn't have Big Tobacco shocing down pro-smoking propoganda down their throats. Plus, they actually bothered to exercize. Do you really think Big Tobacco is going to give a damn if you dropped dead right now? Of course not. They're busy trying to get teens to smoke. They're busy telling little kids that smoking is a big kid thing. They're busy making sure that you get hooked so that they get your money. Know why cigarettes calm you down? They starve your body of oxygen. That's not good.

Is smoking good for you? Unless you are Big Tobacco's stocks, hell no. It's coating your lungs with tar. It's polluting the air with things worse than what any car gives out, even the old lead-gasoline ones.

you don't understand, nobody pressured me into trying it, i wanted to cause i had a craving for it, the smell of them makes me want one
No you do not understand i have been hanging around smokers since i was 16 and i have never bent to the disease.
It is all about Will power.
Get some.

No you do not understand i have been hanging around smokers since i was 16 and i have never bent to the disease.
It is all about Will power.
Get some.

Actually, I smoke gauloises and Cafe Creme for the pretentious image, and the effect. It is not a matter of will power, more my preference.

Smoking is a slow form of suicide. End of Discussion.

breathing causes tuberculosis -- russell ackoff "The Art of Problem Solving"

(there are many variables that go into lung cancer... smoking certainly doesn't help one avoid it, but it is not the be-all abnd end-all to getting or avoiding lung cancer)

Actually, I smoke gauloises and Cafe Creme for the pretentious image, and the effect. It is not a matter of will power, more my preference.
But Tink dosent she has been campaigning against smoking and then does because of a lack of will power.

Tink:

Now that you've taken the first step, go smoke some weed. Or better yet, get or make (test tubes work well here) a bowl. Never touch a cig again. Nasty, icky things. The smell sticks to everything. And the taste. Just, ew. Very ew.

Those of you who demand the right to smoke: Whenever you demand to smoke, that's not you talking. That's the cigarette. Sure, the native americans didn't get all these problems when they smoked peace pipes alot. Then again, they didn't have the urge to inhale nicotine(which is MUCH more deadly than arsenic), rat poison, or any other toxin. They didn't have Big Tobacco shocing down pro-smoking propoganda down their throats. Plus, they actually bothered to exercize. Do you really think Big Tobacco is going to give a damn if you dropped dead right now? Of course not. They're busy trying to get teens to smoke. They're busy telling little kids that smoking is a big kid thing. They're busy making sure that you get hooked so that they get your money. Know why cigarettes calm you down? They starve your body of oxygen. That's not good.

Is smoking good for you? Unless you are Big Tobacco's stocks, hell no. It's coating your lungs with tar. It's polluting the air with things worse than what any car gives out, even the old lead-gasoline ones.
Actually they do care if their customers drop dead because they have a dwindling amount of customers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say start a new smoking revolution in the THIRD WOLRD - they have less problems there!!!:rolleyes:

Actually they do care if their customers drop dead because they have a dwindling amount of customers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say start a new smoking revolution in the THIRD WOLRD - they have less problems there!!!:rolleyes:

As I understand it, nearly 25% of Americans still smoke. It is quite unfortunate :(

No you do not understand i have been hanging around smokers since i was 16 and i have never bent to the disease.
It is all about Will power.
Get some.
Addiction has nothing to do with willpower!!!!!!!!!!

As I understand it, nearly 25% of Americans still smoke. It is quite unfortunate :(
Compare that with 50 years ago.

I've said it before and I'll say it again if we're going to pick on the tobacco industry then we should also be picking on the fast-food industry.
Plus think of the poor farmers. Tobacco farmers don't have anything to replace the tobacco with, especially in the US. Now if the US would get over their paranoia of hemp (which is not the same as weed) you might have something!!

Those of you who demand the right to smoke: Whenever you demand to smoke, that's not you talking. That's the cigarette.

Congratulations! In two sentences you've displayed how anti-smokers use the "addiction" myth to DISMISS opposition to their laws by attacking directly the smokers as being incapable of choice, free will or conscious decision. In other words, you are saying that smokers are not actually human beings, but helpless automatons whose arguments are irrelevant because they have no consciousness.

Unfortunately for you, a cigarette did NOT type this post. A cigarette did NOT demolish your pathetic arguments. *I* did. Until you learn to respond to peoples arguments in a way other than ad hominem no one, or at least not I, is going to take you seriously.

starting smoking is the single worst decision you can make that will affect your health in both the short run and the long run.

My hairy fat ass it is! I can think of several other "single worst decisions" you can make. Let's think of a few - try them out yourself if you don't believe me.

1. Taking up heroin, crack or meth.
2. Hitting your head repeatedly with a ball peen hammer.
3. Driving your car off a 3000 foot cliff.

:D

Anti-smokers need to stop making out like cigarettes are the OMG WORST THING EVER IN THE WHOLE WORLD! It makes you seem just a tad alarmist.


Since I don't care to breath in the deadly smoke from other peoples cancer sticks they should be banned from all public places.

...and for the same reason, since I don't care to breathe in deadly smoke from everybody's personal pollution-mobile, cars should be banned from all public places.

I get tired making the same argument to expose hypocrisy, don't you anti-smokers get tired of making your same arguments whining about your lungs?

They have a right to work where they want without unnecessary detrimental effects on their health.

Yes they do. But I don't consider personal freedom "unecessary." If a restaraunt decides to have a smoking session, and you can't handle working in a place that allows smoking, what do you do?

1) Apply for jobs somewhere else.
2) Apply for the restaraunt job and then complain because it allows smoking.

Seems to me everyone naturally goes for the option #2.

It's kind of like this.

If a certain retail job involves working daily with children, and you hate children, what do you do?

1) Apply for a job somewhere else
2) Apply for the retail job and then complain because you work with children

See, employment is about doing what you are good at, or at least what you are willing to do. If you're not willing to do something (for example, work in close proximity to smokers) DON'T DO IT. It's simple and leaves everyone satisfied.

I do not believe that people are so utterly strapped for cash that they must work in a place they think causes them cancer, or go on unemployment. If you're really that broke, become a prostitute - they make more money, and don't have a risk of cancer. (And STDs are treatable, many times even preventable.) Seems to me that would be a better option health-wise as well as financially, no?

So that's my message to everyone who works at a smoking bar or restaraunt and can't afford to work anywhere else, and who is worried about their health. Become a hooker!

Smoking is cool. Just look at Bogart!!

Addiction has nothing to do with willpower!!!!!!!!!!
That is what the weak minded say.
If she lets herself get addicted that is exactly what it will be.

Since I don't care to breath in the deadly smoke from other peoples cancer sticks they should be banned from all public places. You can kill yourselves and the ones you love through second-hand smoke in the privacy of your own homes.
Don't drive then because I don't care to breath in the deadly exhaust from your vehicle.

It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?
What is it about girls and loving the smell of smoke?

not in my house, not in front of busy access doors to public buildings (that annoys me the most!!!)

If businesses were allowed to have smoking areas then we wouldn't have to stand outside of them. In fact I blow the smoke into people's faces as they go in and out in protest of these unconstitutional, draconian, fascist, anti-captilalistic laws!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)

I've always been able to find more creative ways to screw myself up than cigarettes. :)

That is what the weak minded say.
If she lets herself get addicted that is exactly what it will be.

What if it is a personal choice?

Accept it, most famous smokers are cool.

That is what the weak minded say.
If she lets herself get addicted that is exactly what it will be.
People don't let themselves get addicted to anything!!! That's why it's called an ADDICTION.

People don't let themselves get addicted to anything!!! That's why it's called an ADDICTION.

Ah, but you actually have to use a product to become addicted to it.

Nobody ever went for a swim one day and while they were toweling off, realized they were addicted to tobacco. ;)

I am the same way, well first off Im fifteen and just started getting into smoking, but I started the same way you are now. It's certainly not going to help my running though.

People don't let themselves get addicted to anything!!! That's why it's called an ADDICTION.
The Power of the will.

It's been a while since there was a 'friendly discussion' on smoking so I thought I'd start one. A lot of you probably know I've always been hugely against smoking, I've never understood why people started doing it, but recently, since i started uni and started hanging around with people who smoke a lot more I've started craving fags, everytime someone lights up i want one too, i even tried one the other night, it tasted wrank but i still crave them, i just love the smell of them which is really weird, it's sort of half changed my mind about smoking in public places, i think it should still be banned but not in pubs and clubs, so what do yo uthink? should smoking be banned in all public places, or just some or none at all?

I'm not sure how being hooked onto cigarettes because people smoke around you can be constituted as a 'good' thing, worthy of changing your opinion. If anything I would have thought that it would just serve to reinforce your previous opinion.

The smoking ban ( in Ireland) is a godsend... its so nice to be able to go out for the night and not come home reeking of cigarettes, especially if you don't smoke! :) A lot of pubs and all clubs have adapted well and have smoking areas for people if they so wish...the only thing is its funny when you walk out the door of the pub/club you get a cloud of smoke in your face instead of fresh air :headbang: !!

The smoking ban ( in Ireland) is a godsend... its so nice to be able to go out for the night and not come home reeking of cigarettes, especially if you don't smoke! :) A lot of pubs and all clubs have adapted well and have smoking areas for people if they so wish...the only thing is its funny when you walk out the door of the pub/club you get a cloud of smoke in your face instead of fresh air :headbang: !!
I couldn't believe Ireland banned smoking. I mean there's something about an Irish pub and smoking. One of those romantic notions. I'm sure if that if were in a Star Trek holodeck and asked for an authentic Irish pub it wouldn't have any no smoking signs in it. ;)

Smoking ban is much better than "all the bar staff are developing lung cancer, the paint on the ceiling goes yellow within a matter of minutes,and the grannies complain!!"

even my brother who somkes himself thinks its great, its incentive to quit - which is cheaper for the government in the long run, a healthy population!!

Smoking ban is much better than "all the bar staff are developing lung cancer, the paint on the ceiling goes yellow within a matter of minutes,and the grannies complain!!"

even my brother who somkes himself thinks its great, its incentive to quit - which is cheaper for the government in the long run, a healthy population!!