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Nations like Legless Pirates and Fass have an authority that "new" members don't?

Just courious...

Over a new member yes.
But after a while its based on pure competency.

I don't have any authority that a new member doesn't.

Nations like Legless Pirates, Fass and the now gone Myrth, have an authority that "new" member don't?

Just courious...

Not that I'm aware of. In fact, they have about as much authority as you are willing to give them ;)

Edit: Myrth was a mod, for all I know. So, yes, he would have had more authority, but not in deciding a discussion

Yes, the more posts, the more true and wise their words are. *bows, kisses feet*

But to be honest, no.

Nah. At best, the number of posts just makes it more likely for you to have a reputation, and thus "authority" over people that agree with you.

I don't have any authority that a new member doesn't.
I disagree.

I disagree.

Well, then I use this authority to decide that you are wrong, and that I do not have any authority. Nice paradox, no? :p

Hypocrites.

Logically, no. Socially, yes.

It's "someone you know saying something" against "someone you never met saying something". From one, you've heard things before, you agreed with him on some points, or (worse) his peer review is favorable (i.e. a lot of people said "gee, that guy's smart").

Now, even if he says something completely stupid, nobody's gonna stand up and say "hey look, mr. Topposter is saying something really dumb!". Fearing that it just might not be dumb but REALLY smart and I'm too dumb to notice that.

Besides, if a buddy of yours said something stupid, would you drag him out into the public and go "hey look, he's a dumba.."?

So yes, someone with a high posting counter has something like some "authority". He's "been there, done that". Personally, I think at about 1000 postings you shed the n00b-coat and start being judged by the postings you made. Until then, you're the n00b, and even if someone who has the IQ of a dead fly stands up against you, you're on your own.

Besides, if a buddy of yours said something stupid, would you drag him out into the public and go "hey look, he's a dumba.."?

Hell yes I would. And I would expect to have the same done to me. Telling you when you're making an ass of yourself is what friends are for.

So yes, someone with a high posting counter has something like some "authority". He's "been there, done that". Personally, I think at about 1000 postings you shed the n00b-coat and start being judged by the postings you made. Until then, you're the n00b, and even if someone who has the IQ of a dead fly stands up against you, you're on your own.

I don't agree with that. Everyone seems to wade in with their opinions anyway, no matter which side of the debate/flamewar they're on.

The major difference, as I see it, is that as your postcount rises people know more about what to expect from you, and how to interpret comments you make that may not be serious.

Hinterlutschistan does have a point. I, for instance, have noticed that reaction in myself. I automatically respect and read more carefully the post that come from more_than_1000_posters.

Even as I know that the man who just joined and wrote his 3rd post can be twenty years older and seven times wiser than the postman (:p )...

But I just can't help it.

Well, then I use this authority to decide that you are wrong, and that I do not have any authority. Nice paradox, no? :p
No because my nation is older and i have more posts which slightly negates your supperior writing styles!

Ah HA!
:mp5: :fluffle:

Hinterlutschistan does have a point. I, for instance, have noticed that reaction in myself. I automatically respect and read more carefully the post that come from more_than_1000_posters.

Even as I know that the man who just joined and wrote his 3rd post can be twenty years older and seven times wiser than the postman (:p )...

But I just can't help it.
Thats the way i see it.
before 1000 you have to be something special to have my full attention.
After 1000 i might just listen to you.

Nations like Legless Pirates, Fass and the now gone Myrth, have an authority that "new" member don't?

Just courious...
Hell no! What counts are logic, reason, statistics, facts and reputable sources.

No because my nation is older and i have more posts which slightly negates your supperior writing styles!

Ah HA!
:mp5: :fluffle:

Quod erat demonstratum. You do not respect my authoritah, as I have none. :D

Well, then I use this authority to decide that you are wrong, and that I do not have any authority. Nice paradox, no? :p
As always, Fass, your logic is impeccable! :rolleyes:

No. Post counts are not a sign of authority. Some people can get thousands of posts from the Spam section alone, and that does not give them an authority.

As always, Fass, your logic is impeccable! :rolleyes:

Why the rude rolly eyes? O_o

Why the rude rolly eyes? O_o
Tell the truth now ... if I was anything other than "rude" to you, you wouldn't know how to act, yes? :D

Thats the way i see it.
before 1000 you have to be something special to have my full attention.
After 1000 i might just listen to you.
Yay! I feel special now! Harlesburg might just listen to me :D (nice quote to put in a sig ;))

Honestly, I don't really care too much about the post count... below 100's have a hard time being taken seriously though, I'll admit that :)
I think a lot of it is presence over a long time, no matter how many posts you have. If you're posting frequently (and you manage to make more or less interesting posts to that) for a month or two, you're already quite respected by most. If however you've been on ns for a year and haven't posted much, you're still going to have to talk a bit before people take you seriously.

more posts means more experience in general (well its really more time or experience debating/using forums, but generally speaking more time -> more posts), hence why there is a degree of greater authority to posters with higher postcounts (ie over, say, 500 or 1000)

plus there's the whole thing of knowing the other regular posters, which i'm sure counts for something. respect or authority has to be earned (though of course that doesn't mean one should be disrespectful to a person who has not yet earned it), so posters over a certain number of posts or who have been around for a certain amount of time will have earned that respect, and authority. noobs have yet to earn it.

Thats the way i see it.
before 1000 you have to be something special to have my full attention.
After 1000 i might just listen to you.

Even more important thing, in my eyes, is the grammar though ;)

To gain my respect (like anyone would give a shit about that!) one has to write well. This is, again, pretty unfair. I try to concentrate on the subject instead of the post itself, but if the writer does too many mistakes, I start tot hink he's a kid. Or Polish.

This happens even knowing how poor my own skills are... Guess I woudln't really respect my own posts if I saw them somewhere, as my grammar sucks and the postcount is under 1k! :D

Tell the truth now ... if I was anything other than "rude" to you, you wouldn't know how to act, yes? :D

And I thought we'd made progress. :(

Not authority, just more leeway.

What bothers me more is people being respected for being funny and entertaining. Thats nice for a laugh and all, but beings a prominent class clown tends to get you more respected spot in serious discussions as well.

What bothers me more is people being respected for being funny and entertaining. Thats nice for a laugh and all, but beings a prominent class clown tends to get you more respected spot in serious discussions as well.
Nah, I think this is exactly what we need... this world needs to learn how to not take everything so seriously. :D

And I thought we'd made progress. :(
LOL! :D

Nah, I think this is exactly what we need... this world needs to learn how to not take everything so seriously. :D
True! [ applauds ] :)

Well, then I use this authority to decide that you are wrong, and that I do not have any authority. Nice paradox, no? :p
If anything, Harlesburg has higher authority, since he has more posts.

Quod erat demonstratum. You do not respect my authoritah, as I have none. :D
Ok...I tried, I really did, but I just can't hold it in any longer.
wahahahah!!
'What was a demon-stratus'? Heheheh!! :D

If anything, Harlesburg has higher authority, since he has more posts.

And this is why we read threads as short as this one before we respond to them. :p

But you only have 29 posts, so you get a free pass this time, for my authority ordains me to grant you one. Run along now, little newcomer. Frolic in the lands of low postage! ;)

No, the posts don't give you authority. On the other hand, really kewl little tags appear below your username, like "spam-queen" and suchlike. Personally, I just like to read what people discuss, and not much more. I've been around for more than two years and just look at my post count... What is it, 150?

MUST...SPAM...NOW...

Post count doesnt mean a thing. Ive seen people who sit in the "what are you listening to now?" thread posting every time the track on the cd they are listening to changes. Heck, Ive seen someone do that while listening to punk music! (which, if you didnt know, is renowned for among other things, short track length). Such a person would have a high post count but a significant amount of what they have posted is a bunch of crap.

On the other hand there are people who only speak when they have something intelligent to add to a conversation. The post count of such a person will be lower though the quality of the content will be much higher.

This all reminds me of something that happened on a Harry Potter forum. J.K. Rowling (the author of Harry Potter) showed up in a Harry Potter chatroom incognito and was treated as if she doesnt know anything because shes a complete noob and its the people whove been around a lot who know a lot. She found it very amusing and tells the story whenever the subject of Harry Potter presense on the internet comes up in an interview.

On the other hand there are people who only speak when they have something intelligent to add to a conversation. The post count of such a person will be lower though the quality of the content will be much higher.


That's me! :p

Ok...I tried, I really did, but I just can't hold it in any longer.
wahahahah!!
'What was a demon-stratus'? Heheheh!! :D

Don't mess with the demon strata! :D

(I was hoping someone would see the purposeful error, what with the bitching about grammar and stuff, but I didn't expect it to happen so soon. You get a cookie and a gold star.)

Post count isn't authority. More like respect from the general NS community.
Most of my posts are on NS and II, but a lot on General still. :)

Although some may say that I'm biased, I don't think post count gives you that much extra authority. People are more likely to recognize you, however. For example, until I had about 2,000 posts, nobody knew or cared who I was; now I'm one of the most popular posters on here, recognized and loved by all, etc. ;) Anyway, I think that while some people will respect you more because of your post count, others may respect you less. I think anyone who joined the site in 2003 or earlier and still has less than 200 or 300 posts deserves some respect. :D (Of course, they couldn't all be spam or whatever.)

I post primarily when I have something to say, although I did have a few sojourns in the spam forum when I was a young and inexperienced n00b.

And this is why we read threads as short as this one before we respond to them. :p

But you only have 29 posts, so you get a free pass this time, for my authority ordains me to grant you one. Run along now, little newcomer. Frolic in the lands of low postage! ;)
ROFLMAO!!!! :D

... now I'm one of the most popular posters on here, recognized and loved by all, etc.
Oh, BROTHER! LOL! :rolleyes:

Don't mess with the demon strata! :D

(I was hoping someone would see the purposeful error, what with the bitching about grammar and stuff, but I didn't expect it to happen so soon. You get a cookie and a gold star.)
Hey hey, 'tis my lucky day! I won 2 awards in the German thread, I get your gold star, and a cookie, I found out that Harlesburg might just listen to me and Eutrusca applauded to my eternal wisdom!
I shall now go celebrate this day! :D

*is off celebrating*

*steps humbly as a "below 1000" in the line, nervously twisting his cap and stepping on his own toes*

"I always concede to da higha authorities, because I know dats my place"

Generally I estimate quality over quantity, it´s more the names you see, read and learn to estimate...but (see above)

...and some posters grammar and spelling are really, really below the line

of course it does



(me saying this has nothing to do with my 22,000+ posts of course)

I don't think it's post count, it's a whole bunch of things. if someone has 7000 posts, is well respected, says sensible, useful things then they will have some authority. but if they disappear for 6 months and then come back, fewer people will know who they are or know that they are worth respecting/ listening too. so you've got to be active for that authority to mean anything.

Nations like Legless Pirates and Fass have an authority that "new" members don't?

Just courious...
It would be nice ...

But no after a certian point more posts dont grant athority

I mean a member with 5 k posts has shown they are usualy willing to play by the rules and contribute and I suppose that says something ...

But the difference of rspect between 10 and 1k posts is MUCH greater then thoes between lets say 3 k posts and 10k

After a certian point its really just not an issue

It doesn't mean you have any more authority, nor does it mean that you have any more skill at debating, or having your opinions accepted, etc.

What it does mean is that you've spent a lot of time on NS, and have the ability to post without getting your account deleted.

I don't believe they have any more authority than anyone else does. Now if the are a moderator...... totally different story. Time in the forums will show you who they are. However, I think that many posts does get you more leeway in your posts, should they be of questionable taste. I've seen some get by with some really egregious comments and that is the only thing that seems to explain the moderators ennui on occasion.

I don't believe they have any more authority than anyone else does. Now if the are a moderator...... totally different story. Time in the forums will show you who they are. However, I think that many posts does get you more leeway in your posts, should they be of questionable taste. I've seen some get by with some really egregious comments and that is the only thing that seems to explain the moderators ennui on occasion.
actually it's usually the other way round, i suppose it depends on the poster but the majority of 'older' posters get punished a lot more easily than newer posters

It doesn't mean you have any more authority, nor does it mean that you have any more skill at debating, or having your opinions accepted, etc.

What it does mean is that you've spent a lot of time on NS, and have the ability to post without getting your account deleted.

*takes a drag*

That is perhaps a dubious distinction to have.

actually it's usually the other way round, i suppose it depends on the poster but the majority of 'older' posters get punished a lot more easily than newer posters
Amen! :(

Of course! Your nations age and post-count gives great authority. Thats why I am heading over to the spamm thread in an attempt to become the almighty authority of NS.:rolleyes:

Nations like Legless Pirates and Fass have an authority that "new" members don't?

Just courious...

Absolutely not.

Authority in here is only in the mind of the beholder.

I don't have much authority and I've got almost 10,000 posts, so I guess it doesn't work that way. Nonetheless, I find that I'm more willing to take someone with thousands of posts more seriously than someome with few posts, even if I shouldn't.

What bothers me more is people being respected for being funny and entertaining. Thats nice for a laugh and all, but beings a prominent class clown tends to get you more respected spot in serious discussions as well.
This coming from a poster whose name is "Jester"?
The reason that simply being a random clown gets more attention is that random clowns rarely ever get written off as a "Partisan Asshole" or some other such thing. The clown gets to hold the middle ground by never aspousing anything remotely serious, and thus both sides look on and he gets twice the attention, and is twice and likely to be remembered as not quite a douche next time around.
Alternately, NS could just be filled with idiots who view entertainment value as a serious standard of worth, but I doubt that that many of us here are USians.

Your authority comes from how long and humorous your nation name is.

actually it's usually the other way round, i suppose it depends on the poster but the majority of 'older' posters get punished a lot more easily than newer posters
That's funny, because although I am an "older" poster with 7000+ posts, I barely even have an Official Warning to my name, despite a number of incidents of borderline flaming/trolling.

That's funny, because although I am an "older" poster with 7000+ posts, I barely even have an Official Warning to my name, despite a number of incidents of borderline flaming/trolling.
i pretty much agree with tink. i got my forumban because 'as a regular poster i should have known better'
pretty much sums it up right there :P

Oh, BROTHER! LOL! :rolleyes:
Eut, I'm surprised at you. You should learn to recognize sarcasm when you see it. ^_^

i pretty much agree with tink. i got my forumban because 'as a regular poster i should have known better'
pretty much sums it up right there :P
Funny, I was told I "should know better" on several occasions, but never got banned. Weird how these things work out.

no.:mp5:

Funny, I was told I "should know better" on several occasions, but never got banned. Weird how these things work out.

I think that the posters with Cults, or who are recognized as Lord God Almighty, are respected.

Funny, I was told I "should know better" on several occasions, but never got banned. Weird how these things work out.
i too have been told it a number of times... maybe that time was just one too far? ;)

I think that the posters with Cults, or who are recognized as Lord God Almighty, are respected.
By everyone except the mods, who first moved my cult thread to Spam, then locked it, and finally deleted it so nobody could ever link to it again, as though it were tainted or something. Although the mods who do not respect me seems to be limited to Frisbee, Scolo, Hack, and GMC, and a) they don't really count anyway and b) I gave them good reason not to. ;)

i too have been told it a number of times... maybe that time was just one too far? ;)
I don't know, myself. I've gone farther than some people, even threatening to <censored> a mod, but unlike them I've stayed alive.

It might help that I deleted all of those posts after making them. :p

I'd say higher posters are respected more. Mostly because people who make it that high have stuck to it through being new and have become pretty well known. Respect must be earned, and therefore, a new player can't have more.

Authority...well, as Fass said, he has none.

I tend to have a more wary eye towards 1-10 post count because they could still be a troll or flamer and not have been weeded out by forumbans and such. Older posters have demonstrated atleast an accidental adherance to the rules.

I don't know, myself. I've gone farther than some people, even threatening to <censored> a mod, but unlike them I've stayed alive.

It might help that I deleted all of those posts after making them. :p
When in doubt, retreat.
When in danger, plead.
When in death row, pray.

If one has amassed a number of posts, then one has either participated in the forums a lot or spammed like fuck and got away with it. Either option would seem to deserve some cap-doffing.

By everyone except the mods, who first moved my cult thread to Spam, then locked it, and finally deleted it so nobody could ever link to it again, as though it were tainted or something. Although the mods who do not respect me seems to be limited to Frisbee, Scolo, Hack, and GMC, and a) they don't really count anyway and b) I gave them good reason not to. ;)
Did I ever get official membership of your cult? I know Tribes of Longton did, but he may have been the only one before deletion...

Anyway...high post count doesn't necessarily equal authority, but it can equal respect. A poster with 10k posts has (probably) taken part in numerous debates, and has (again, probably) argued with at least a modicum of skill and conviction. That's the sort of thing that I would respect. A poster who only has, say, 250 posts is less likely to have established a reputation for him/herself as a good debater, and is therefore less likely to have gained a significant amount of respect.

If one has amassed a number of posts, then one has either participated in the forums a lot or spammed like fuck and got away with it. Either option would seem to deserve some cap-doffing.
That must be why people like Tink and LP have respect in that case. :p

Alternately, NS could just be filled with idiots who view entertainment value as a serious standard of worth, but I doubt that that many of us here are USians.
Hey! Thats not funny! Make us laugh, damnit! DANCE, MONKEY! :gundge:

Hinterlutschistan does have a point. I, for instance, have noticed that reaction in myself. I automatically respect and read more carefully the post that come from more_than_1000_posters.

Would that mean you have a lot of respect for spammers?

Hey! Thats not funny! Make us laugh, damnit! DANCE, MONKEY :gundge:
It can hardly be my fault if you were born in the wrong country to find that amusing. Probably should have saved it for when all the Europeans were awake though.

Would that mean you have a lot of respect for spammers?
Well, if you've got the sack/luck to have made a 1,000+ spamming career without getting a swift boot out, that does warrant some respect.

Did I ever get official membership of your cult? I know Tribes of Longton did, but he may have been the only one before deletion...
You and TNM were among the additional members confirmed after the deletion of the Cult. Nobody else has applied yet, predictably, but you're official.

It can hardly be my fault if you were born in the wrong country to find that amusing. Probably should have saved it for when all the Europeans were awake though.
I wasn't born in the wrong country, I was born in the wrong millenium. I would have been a kick ass caveman! I like the feel of fur against my......Nevermind.:eek:

You and TNM were among the additional members confirmed after the deletion of the Cult. Nobody else has applied yet, predictably, but you're official.

Oh sweet Jesus, I just realized you have a thread in your sig about 'what people have said about me'. Wow, just...wow.

Absolutely not.

Authority in here is only in the mind of the beholder.
[ Kicks CL in the ... mind ] Now ... say that again? :D

You and TNM were among the additional members confirmed after the deletion of the Cult. Nobody else has applied yet, predictably, but you're official.
Woo! Erm...so, what do I get out of it again?

Eut, I'm surprised at you. You should learn to recognize sarcasm when you see it. ^_^
I recognized it as such, but just couldn't restrain myself! :p

no.:mp5:
Your right ... except a small note

The greater the use of the gun smily's the lower your authority

Starting with only 5 posts ... you might be into negative authority range

Oh sweet Jesus, I just realized you have a thread in your sig about 'what people have said about me'. Wow, just...wow.
That goes in the thread. :p

Woo! Erm...so, what do I get out of it again?
Good question, I don't exactly remember.

Hmmm, you can put it in your signature, so everyone will know you associated with me back when... oh, and there are the orgies and other stuff which happens in every good cult of course. :p

I recognized it as such, but just couldn't restrain myself! :p
You wouldn't. :p

1337 also seriously diminishes any credibility you may acquire.

1337 also seriously diminishes any credibility you may acquire.
13S, 1t'S 7R00. :p

Nations like Legless Pirates and Fass have an authority that "new" members don't?

Just courious...
Having a high post count, or having been around a long time, doesn't automatically make you smarter, better, or more worthy of respect than a "new" person. However, it does mean that people have had a long time to get to know you, your style, and your character, and this means that you may have had more time to accumulate respect (or scorn).

If LP or Fass have "authority" around here, I don't think it's just because they've been around a long time. I think it's because of how they've acted during the time they've been here.

Hinterlutschistan does have a point. I, for instance, have noticed that reaction in myself. I automatically respect and read more carefully the post that come from more_than_1000_posters.

Even as I know that the man who just joined and wrote his 3rd post can be twenty years older and seven times wiser than the postman (:p )...

But I just can't help it.Well gosh, that sure does work out nicely for me...:)

13S, 1t'S 7R00. :p
for some reason i have the voice of scooby doo reading that in my head... must be the "7R00" bit... or maybe i'm just nuts :p

for some reason i have the voice of scooby doo reading that in my head... must be the "7R00" bit... or maybe i'm just nuts :p
Thanks. Now I'm reading all the posts in Scooby Doo speak.:headbang:

:D

You wouldn't. :p
LOL! Hell no! How did you guess? :D

for some reason i have the voice of scooby doo reading that in my head... must be the "7R00" bit... or maybe i'm just nuts :p
I vote for the "I'm just nuts" part! :D

Nations like Legless Pirates and Fass have an authority that "new" members don't?

Just courious...
No, just that much less of a social life. Apparently.

No, just that much less of a social life. Apparently.
Ouch! The smallest doses of truth can be SO bitter! he he he (why the hell am I laughing? Not like I have one either. :rolleyes: )

Ouch! The smallest doses of truth can be SO bitter! he he he (why the hell am I laughing? Not like I have one either. :rolleyes: )
Nor I. I'm just poking fun. The original poster made good targets of 'em, though.

Yay! I feel special now! Harlesburg might just listen to me :D (nice quote to put in a sig ;))

Honestly, I don't really care too much about the post count... below 100's have a hard time being taken seriously though, I'll admit that :)
I think a lot of it is presence over a long time, no matter how many posts you have. If you're posting frequently (and you manage to make more or less interesting posts to that) for a month or two, you're already quite respected by most. If however you've been on ns for a year and haven't posted much, you're still going to have to talk a bit before people take you seriously.
Bingo.
Put it in your sig.
*shifty eyes*

Nah, I think this is exactly what we need... this world needs to learn how to not take everything so seriously. :D
Follow my example my dare fellow set the system to Not caring!

I found my very first post...oh the nostalgia (says the guy with 500 posts :D )
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8821080&postcount=117

It's pretty long, so I won't quote it here...suffice to say that it got no responses whatsoever.

I found my very first post...oh the nostalgia (says the guy with 500 posts :D )
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8821080&postcount=117

It's pretty long, so I won't quote it here...suffice to say that it got no responses whatsoever.
Post Whore!

It's pretty long, so I won't quote it here...suffice to say that it got no responses whatsoever.
I liked the bit about the ants having a 'point of smell' instead of a 'point of view'.

Happy now?

Simple answer to thread title.

Not no, but hell no.

That's funny, because although I am an "older" poster with 7000+ posts, I barely even have an Official Warning to my name, despite a number of incidents of borderline flaming/trolling.
that's because you're usually flaming me and that's seen as quite acceptable by the mods

Until your nation has at least 2 years and 5000 posts behind it, you can consider yourself that annoying n00b that everyone makes fun of when they're not looking.




Carry on, n00blahs.

Until your nation has at least 2 years and 5000 posts behind it, you can consider yourself that annoying n00b that everyone makes fun of when they're not looking.




Carry on, n00blahs.
i havn't even been here 2 years yet.....

i havn't even been here 2 years yet.....
nor me... a long way off here :(

nor me... a long way off here :(

I can barely think of other regular posters who wouldn't be n00bs actually :p Sdaeriji comes to mind... Probably a few others. Depends what you count as 'regular posters'

I can barely think of other regular posters who wouldn't be n00bs actually :p Sdaeriji comes to mind... Probably a few others. Depends what you count as 'regular posters'
so we're honorary non-noobs... i feel so honoured :D

that's because you're usually flaming me and that's seen as quite acceptable by the mods

Yeah. I'm so unused to that kind of justice I just don't know how to respond.

that's because you're usually flaming me and that's seen as quite acceptable by the mods
Actually, the people I've been most often warned for flaming were the mods themselves, especially Frisbee, Scolo, and Hack.... ^_^

Funny how these things work out. :p