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For a long time I was an avid fan of Jackie Chan's work, but when I watched 'Unleashed' from Jet Li, I began to think neutrally. Sure, Unleashed as sick as ever, but Drunken Master was pretty damn good as well. This is not a 'who will win in a fight' question, but who do you like better?

Also know that I am aware Bruce Lee will undoubtly kick both of their asses.

Also know that I am aware Bruce Lee will undoubtly kick both of their asses.
Heathen! Bruce Lee is a pussy when you compare him to Jet Li.

Heathen! Bruce Lee is a pussy when you compare him to Jet Li.

Clearly you have never seen Bruce Lee in fully fledged action.

Heathen! Bruce Lee is a pussy when you compare him to Jet Li.
yeah, but without bruce lee, we wouldn't have brandon lee and the crow was an awesome movie

A tie. Now, I saw both Drunken Master and Unleashed pretty recently; I don't really like the newer Chan (Rush Hour and such) but Drunken Master and his older stuff is amazing. Unleashed was, however, a very Very well made movie-especially the action scenes.

Beat Takashi and Bruce Lee are both better, however.

I don't have a favourite. I liked both of them.

Clearly you have never seen Bruce Lee in fully fledged action.
Clearly, you have never seen Rule of the Universe #347: Fiddlebottoms Is Always Right. Ask Rotovia, he didn't realize he was a Jew until I pointed it out.

People, people! Why can't we have them both whacked? Both are annoying, can't act and make shit films. I say, for the good of the community, they are both pitted against each other in a dual to the death, from which none goes victorious.

Just don't tell them in advance. You want them to actually think they may live, so that they at least put up a fight, revealing how unspectacular they are without all the stuntmen, cables and tricksy photography.

Clearly, you have never seen Rule of the Universe #347: Fiddlebottoms Is Always Right. Ask Rotovia, he didn't realize he was a Jew until I pointed it out.
yeah, but i bet he can't code in assembly (the real man's programming language)

People, people! Why can't we have them both whacked? Both are annoying, can't act and make shit films. I say, for the good of the community, they are both pitted against each other in a dual to the death, from which none goes victorious.

Just don't tell them in advance. You want them to actually think they may live, so that at least put up a fight, revealing how unspectacular they are without all the stuntmen, cables and tricksy photography.
While seeing them work together would be somewhat interesting, I don't know how lethal a "dual" would prove. Unless you suppose that their cheese would prove to much in such a high concentration and result in fatal constipation.

Fuck with my B-movie stars, and I get pissy.

While seeing them work together would be somewhat interesting, I don't know how lethal a "dual" would prove. Unless you suppose that their cheese would prove to much in such a high concentration and result in fatal constipation.

"To much?" Perhaps. I suggest typo illuminations be free from such themselves, and that they when they are pitted in a duel are fitted with a mechanism that kills the one as he kills the other. Would make for a better story line than can be found in any of their "films," at least.

Fuck with my B-movie stars, and I get pissy.

That's cute.

People, people! Why can't we have them both whacked? Both are annoying, can't act and make shit films. I say, for the good of the community, they are both pitted against each other in a dual to the death, from which none goes victorious.

Just don't tell them in advance. You want them to actually think they may live, so that they at least put up a fight, revealing how unspectacular they are without all the stuntmen, cables and tricksy photography.

Jackie Chan does all of his stunts himself, though.

Jackie Chan does all of his stunts himself, though.
Shhh, if you take away his logical fallacies he'd have nothing left to live for.

Clearly, you have never seen Rule of the Universe #347: Fiddlebottoms Is Always Right. Ask Rotovia, he didn't realize he was a Jew until I pointed it out.

Clearly you have not read all of the rules, for it says at Rule # 3,311: Jenrak pwns thy opinionzor.

Shhh, if you take away his logical fallacies he'd have nothing left to live for.

I don't know, you seem to go on, however inelegantly, purposeless. Perhaps you could tell me how you manage?

"To much?" Perhaps. I suggest typo illuminations be free from such themselves, and that they when they are pitted in a duel are fitted with a mechanism that kills the one as he kills the other. Would make for a better story line than can be found in any of their "films," at least.
They never claimed to make films. Films have a point, are arty, and require thought on the part of the viewer. Movies have a (minimal) plot, are cheesy, and allow the viewer a bit of pleasant escapism.
That's cute.
If you take all the cheesy fun out of life you are left with Philosophy, Religion, Science, or Debate. Religion is pointless, Philosophy involves a lot of extra unnessecary pretentions, Science only interests a fraction of the population, and I despise Debates.

I don't know, you seem to go on, however inelegantly, purposeless. Perhaps you could tell me how you manage?
I learned from the master. Perhaps you have met him? A Swede by the name of Fass.

I learned from the master. Perhaps you have met him? A Swede by the name of Fass.

You have bismirched my honor for no apparent reason! We must Kung-Fu fight!

*Mantis Style*

You have bismirched my honor for no apparent reason! We must Kung-Fu fight!

*Mantis Style*
*M1A1 Thompson Submachine Style*

I win.

You have bismirched my honor for no apparent reason! We must Kung-Fu fight!

*Mantis Style*

Mantis can be easily blocked by a simple left hook from Muay Thai.

*M1A1 Thompson Submachine Style*

I win.

....

ART OF NINJITSU!

*Poof*

*Dissapears*

Mantis can be easily blocked by a simple left hook from Muay Thai.

Try my snake style, then! Or perhaps you prefer Crane?

....

ART OF NINJITSU!

*Poof*

*Dissapears*



Try my snake style, then! Or perhaps you prefer Crane?
art of firing wildly with flamethrower. how're you going to beat that?

I learned from the master. Perhaps you have met him? A Swede by the name of Fass.

How could Fass have taught you, when you just acknowledged him having a purpose for which to live? You should have opted for some other master, one proficient in logic and cohesion.

art of firing wildly with flamethrower. how're you going to beat that?

....Damn.

I wonder if there's a kung-fu style of breakdance? That would be interesting.

art of firing wildly with flamethrower. how're you going to beat that?
No one defeat my Art of Tactical Nuclear Weapon.

*Poof*

*Everyone else dissapears/disintegrates*

No one defeat my Art of Tactical Nuclear Weapon.

*Poof*

*Everyone else dissapears/disintegrates*
ha! i had a respawn credit

How could Fass have taught you, when you just acknowledged him having a purpose for which to live? You should have opted for some other master, one proficient in logic and cohesion.
One does not choose one's master. While Fass may have had a purpose in life, he had no purpose in speech. Still, he was a kind man when he wasn't being a total bitch.

ha! i had a respawn credit
Blast, foiled again!

*Twirls mustache and vanishes in a puff of black smoke*

Blast, foiled again!

*Twirls mustache and vanishes in a puff of black smoke*
you'd have been worse off against my friend; he's mastered the art of using quickload and quicksave

I think the chosen one in the movie Kung Pao would kick both Li and Chan.:D

One does not choose one's master. While Fass may have had a purpose in life, he had no purpose in speech.

Well, in the latter you clearly are a master in your own accord, leaving your lapse in logic unexplained.

Still, he was a kind man when he wasn't being a total bitch.

I'm sure he enjoyed every second.

Well, in the latter you clearly are a master in your own accord, leaving your lapse in logic unexplained.
What lapse of logic? 'Twould be clear to you if you had but used your eyes*, Fass' life had a purpose that could keep him rushing along; however, when he talked he could only ramble in an unclear style utterly devoid of anything but empty sarcasm and jokes that were original about 50 years ago.

*In case you have forgotten basic anatomy, your eyes are the squishy things located to either side and somewhat above your nostrils.
I'm sure he enjoyed every second.
Ah, but he must have, else he would have found a different way of relating to other people.

There is only one way to finally and completely answer this question. We must take samples of each of their DNA, and make a composite clone, which will then be raised by both ninjas AND pirates over the course of a 20 year training cycle.
This monstrousity will then be the single most awesome thing on the face of the planet.

People, people! Why can't we have them both whacked? Both are annoying, can't act and make shit films. I say, for the good of the community, they are both pitted against each other in a dual to the death, from which none goes victorious.

Just don't tell them in advance. You want them to actually think they may live, so that they at least put up a fight, revealing how unspectacular they are without all the stuntmen, cables and tricksy photography.
Just what we need. A Swede telling us how to make movies. Only good thing to come out of Swedish cinema was Ingrid Bergman. And she would have been wasted if she hadn't started making American movies.

What lapse of logic? 'Twould be clear to you if you had but used your eyes*, Fass' life had a purpose that could keep him rushing along; however, when he talked he could only ramble in an unclear style utterly devoid of anything but empty sarcasm and jokes that were original about 50 years ago.

Rendering this, by your own volition, master your better by at least half a century.

*In case you have forgotten basic anatomy, your eyes are the squishy things located to either side and somewhat above your nostrils.

You mean the orbs found in the cavity formed by the facies orbitalis of the os zygomaticum, the maxilla, the os frontale, the ala minor et majoris of the os sphenoidale, the lamina orbitalis of the os ethmoidale, the os lacrimale itself, and the processus orbitalis of the os palatinum? However are they to have slipped my mind? I must review this crucial part of the fascio-orbital apparatus, post haste!

Ah, but he must have, else he would have found a different way of relating to other people.

Ah, aren't you flattering yourself by referring to yourself as people? That's cute.

Just what we need. A Swede telling us how to make movies. Only good thing to come out of Swedish cinema was Ingrid Bergman.

Making the score 1-0 Sweden vs. the US of what good has come out of the respective film industries, while I must say that the term "film industry" is used very loosely when referring to the poor facsimile found in the US.

Well they're both horrible actors. But I think Jet Li is still much worse than Jackie Chan.

Two words...


Bruce Lee.

I voted Jet Li. I like them and what they do pretty much equally, but what tipped the balance is that Jet Li is HOT. Jackie Chan, however funny and sympathic he might be, does not have the charm and muscled buttocks of his competitor.

Yes, once again, my opinion is ruled by superficiality. I wouldn't have it any other way :D

While Jackie is the master. Jet's youth and speed trump anything Jackie has to offer now. Not to mention the era in which they were popular. Jackie is more along the old school line, though his style is certainly more comical and silly (just watch City Hunter if you don't agree). While Jet Li is more streamlined and slick, with a touch more drama and flare (Hero, Once Upon a Time In China, etc.)

Making the score 1-0 Sweden vs. the US of what good has come out of the respective film industries, while I must say that the term "film industry" is used very loosely when referring to the poor facsimile found in the US.
I have to agree with Fass. Sweden may not make many movies, but what they make is very very good.

On the topic, what's the name of that guy who was in Ong Bak? He was awesome.

On the topic, what's the name of that guy who was in Ong Bak? He was awesome.

And hot as hell. God I love asians.

Remember, film producers over there wanted Jackie to be the next Bruce Lee. He declined, because his heart was in making more comedic films. He despises hero worship.

Chan is very good.

Jackie Chan. His moves are fantastic & he pioneered the realistic, yet funny, fight/chase scenes. Jackie Chan is just awesome.

Every Jackie Chan movie always has him running through a crowd of people, while apologizing for running into them.

*oof* SORRY!

*hmf* EXCUSE ME!

Jet Li has made great movies (Once Upon a Time in China is the standard by which all kung fu movies should be juged), but he has also made a host of cheesy kung fu flicks that totally sucked. Romeo Must Die was also mind numbingly boring. Ultimately, Jet Li with a bad script ends up being nothing but another actor in a bad action movie.

Therefore, I have to go with Jackie Chan whose movies are consistently good whether they be low budget kung fu movies or big budget hollywood movies. His natural comedic style can bring out something good in even the worst of plots. His presence in a movie is so strong that he can oftentimes make up for a terrible or cliched plot.

Jet Li has made great movies (Once Upon a Time in China is the standard by which all kung fu movies should be juged), but he has also made a host of cheesy kung fu flicks that totally sucked. Romeo Must Die was also mind numbingly boring. Ultimately, Jet Li with a bad script ends up being nothing but another actor in a bad action movie.

Therefore, I have to go with Jackie Chan whose movies are consistently good whether they be low budget kung fu movies or big budget hollywood movies. His natural comedic style can bring out something good in even the worst of plots. His presence in a movie is so strong that he can oftentimes make up for a terrible or cliched plot.

My thoughts exactly.

Both rock my underwear - am a huuuge CMA movie fan.

It is worth noting that Jet Li probably has a far more traditional, sport-minded background, whereas Jackie trained acrobatics and stunts, as well as CMA.

LazyHippies>> Agreed. I have OUATIC one, two and three, while number one is probably the best.

Interesting trivia: Jackie Chan always sings the scores for his movies, and used to be more popular in China for his pop singing skills than for his kung fu!

Interesting trivia: Jackie Chan always sings the scores for his movies, and used to be more popular in China for his pop singing skills than for his kung fu!

Oh my!

Well, I saw someone mention the movie... but couldn't remember the name of the actor...

The simple answer is, Tony Jaa pwns Chan AND Li.

Heathen! Bruce Lee is a pussy when you compare him to Jet Li.
You're kidding, right? Bruce Lee was a street fighter who revolutionized the way martial arts were taught. Jet Li isn't a fighter, he's an acrobat. He was taught theatrical martial arts, not effective ones. He trained for the stage, not the street.

Well, I saw someone mention the movie... but couldn't remember the name of the actor...

The simple answer is, Tony Jaa pwns Chan AND Li.

Who's he?

Who's he?
That's the guy I was thinking of. He's the one in Ong Bak.

That's the guy I was thinking of. He's the one in Ong Bak.

Ah, Okay.

You're kidding, right? Bruce Lee was a street fighter who revolutionized the way martial arts were taught. Jet Li isn't a fighter, he's an acrobat. He was taught theatrical martial arts, not effective ones. He trained for the stage, not the street.
Yup. Bruce Lee <3 <3 <3 I can't link to it (since it's located on Ebaums), but look around their video archives to find an early video of him showing off his skills in an audition. Amazing shit.

Who's he?

Well worth watching.... buy or rent Ong Bak, just to see what the guy does without CGI or wirework.

I'd have to go with Jackie Chan, simply because he has a vastly superior body of work behind him. I'll gladly admit that Li is a top-notch martial artist (IIRC, he was part of the gold-medal Olympics team China fielded in karate in '88 or '92), but as an actor, his movies just aren't as fun.

That being said, the best martial artist actor of them all was Sonny Chiba.

Well worth watching.... buy or rent Ong Bak, just to see what the guy does without CGI or wirework.

I shalt...but I don't know where to find it.

I shalt...but I don't know where to find it.

Well, if you were a little closer, I could lend it to you.... :)

I found it in a Movie Gallery... so it must be fairly mainstream available... where would you buy/rent Jackie Chan stuff like "Drunken Master"?

just watch City Hunter if you don't agree

I'm curious, from what I've heard City Hunter was a very loose movie adaptation of an anime series by the same name. I was just wondering if you happened to know or not.

In regards to this debate, I'm for Jackie Chan mainly because he doesn't rely on wirework anywhere near as much as Jet Li. Don't get me wrong, Jet Li is cool.. it's just that in almost every movie I've seen him in (and I haven't seen any of his Chinese movies so bear this in mind), I've only seen maybe one or two where he DIDN'T use wires at some point.

Also, Jackie Chan conveys much more in his performances. I find them very entertaining, and usually get a good laugh out of something he does, whether it's a line, an expression, or just good old fashioned delivery. Jet Li.... kinda gives me that robot vibe. He seems to focus more on the stuntwork and less on conveying more than surface emotions (well other than the ubiquitous "I'm going to kick the shit out of you" that he has at least once in every flick he makes.).

In the end, in terms of sheer ability, they are both roundly owned by none other than Bruce Lee. This guy is a legend, folks, he was way more than just an actor in movies. Also, from what I've heard, he developed the martial art style of Jeet Kun Do (although this information may prove to be decidedly inaccurate, I'm not sure.). Neither Jackie Chan nor Jet Li have a style all their own.

EDIT: Spelling error. School makes brain go boom during finals :headbang:

I shalt...but I don't know where to find it.
It's widely available on DVD. At least I have seen it in plenty of places.

I like Jackie Chan.

I like Jackie Chan.

That's nice.

You're kidding, right? Bruce Lee was a street fighter who revolutionized the way martial arts were taught. Jet Li isn't a fighter, he's an acrobat. He was taught theatrical martial arts, not effective ones. He trained for the stage, not the street.
I'm not kidding, I am lying, there is a difference. Besides, Bruce Lee is dead, so he can in no way compare to the martial arts skills of a man who is not dead because, if I remember correctly, punching people hinges on having the capacity to manipulate your muscles and make your fist extend. Very few dead people I have met know how to do this.

I'm not kidding, I am lying, there is a difference. Besides, Bruce Lee is dead, so he can in no way compare to the martial arts skills of a man who is not dead because, if I remember correctly, punching people hinges on having the capacity to manipulate your muscles and make your fist extend. Very few dead people I have met know how to do this.

How did Bruce Lee die anyways?

How did Bruce Lee die anyways?
An overdose of ego, when he was discussing a movie, his head didn't swell in the proper portions and the brain outgrew the skull. It happens to a surprising number of movie stars.

How did Bruce Lee die anyways?

He died of syphilis. I'm not sure how he got it, though.

City Hunter proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jackie Chan is the winner. :|

He died of syphilis. I'm not sure how he got it, though.

Bruce Lee died of cerebral edema (swelling of the brain), possibly resulting from an allergic reaction to pain medication he took to relieve severe back pain, in combination with an analgesic he took to relieve the headache he had on the night of his death.

He had suffered a non-fatal instance of cerebral edema towards the end of dubbing "Enter the Dragon" only a few months before.

I'd have to go with Jackie Chan, simply because he has a vastly superior body of work behind him. I'll gladly admit that Li is a top-notch martial artist (IIRC, he was part of the gold-medal Olympics team China fielded in karate in '88 or '92), but as an actor, his movies just aren't as fun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Li

No mention of Olympic competition...and to my knowledge, Karate has never been an Olympic sport (although Judo has been since 1964, and Taekwondo since 2000)

Bruce Lee died of cerebral edema (swelling of the brain), possibly resulting from an allergic reaction to pain medication he took to relieve severe back pain, in combination with an analgesic he took to relieve the headache he had on the night of his death.

He had suffered a non-fatal instance of cerebral edema towards the end of dubbing "Enter the Dragon" only a few months before.

Ah, well that makes more sense. I was always told that it was syphilis!

Either way, it's a bad way to go down.

Ah, well that makes more sense. I was always told that it was syphilis!

Either way, it's a bad way to go down.

Yeah...apparently his brain had swollen in size by almost 13%

No wonder he had a headache.

Jackie Chan is so much better than Jet Li.
Me having not seen a Jet Li movie(that i know of) is irrelevent.

In the end, in terms of sheer ability, they are both roundly owned by none other than Bruce Lee. This guy is a legend, folks, he was way more than just an actor in movies. Also, from what I've heard, he developed the martial art style of Jeet Kun Do (although this information may prove to be decidedly inaccurate, I'm not sure.). Neither Jackie Chan nor Jet Li have a style all their own.

He most certainly did.

Although trained until early adulthood in Wing Chung Gung Fu, he soon devolped Jeet Kun Do, while recovering froma severe back injury.
Jeet Kun Do is especially interesting, as it is a formless style, and borrows manuervers from many different styles, such as Chinese Kung Fu, Korean Tae Kwon Do, Japanese Karate, and Thai Boxing.

It eliminates the useless, and mostly ceremonial forms and rigourous katas, and concentrates only on what is effective.
In other words it cuts out the pretty garbage, and gets right to the ass whooping.

Its still considered one of the most effective forms of martial arts.

Wow, don't get your panties in a bunch.

He invented Jeet Kun Do(Way of the Intercepting Hand/Fist), but got it mostly from Bando/Silat, Karate, Judo, Jujitsu, Aikido and some other Chinese and Japanese arts.

While it is heralded as the street fighting art, there has never been any practical evidence that it is. If I was a martial artist in a street fight, I'd much prefer to be crosstraining Muay Thai and Submission Wrestling, or perhaps Wing Tsun and Chin Na.

For a long time I was an avid fan of Jackie Chan's work, but when I watched 'Unleashed' from Jet Li, I began to think neutrally. Sure, Unleashed as sick as ever, but Drunken Master was pretty damn good as well. This is not a 'who will win in a fight' question, but who do you like better?

Ill tell who's the best, takeshi kaneshiro :D i mean a guy whos got his face on a video game character has got to be pretty good

anway theyre both real good but i voted Jet li because he's got more serious roles

I know Muay Thai. It hurts during training.