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When Rome started to become powerful, Greece had already enjoyed a thousand years or so of civilisation.
They invented all sorts of fancy stuff, they battled the Persians and the like, and they fought each other.
Apparently they were rather cultured people (compared to early Romans), a little arrogant, and certainly not impressed by the upstart Romans from over the Adriatic.

Then Rome became big...marched over to Greece, killed the Macedonians (the time of the Greeks was over - the Macedonians had rendered them helpless militarily) and became the hegemons over Greece.

See any parallels yet?

Does history repear itself? If it does, then what does this tell us for the future?
Is China the Parthians? And who takes the role of the Germanic Tribes?

That makes little sense

That makes little sense
You think so?
I'd be thinking if the Greeks would've had an internet forum with early Romans on it...I think we'd have the very same debates.

America is about as interested in conquering Europe as the Romans were about Nebraska. Even with our supposed idealogical splits, our economies are intertwined on a very large scale. A war between a united Europe (if they can ever get it together) and America would be devastating. And pointless.

That makes little sense

I actually found it to be pretty insightful.

You think so?
I'd be thinking if the Greeks would've had an internet forum with early Romans on it...I think we'd have the very same debates.
You actually do have a point. The Romans were empire-building and the Greeks were calling them uncultured warwongers. Of course the Romans snapped them, so...

Viva Americana!

When Rome started to become powerful, Greece had already enjoyed a thousand years or so of civilisation.
They invented all sorts of fancy stuff, they battled the Persians and the like, and they fought each other.
Apparently they were rather cultured people (compared to early Romans), a little arrogant, and certainly not impressed by the upstart Romans from over the Adriatic.

Then Rome became big...marched over to Greece, killed the Macedonians (the time of the Greeks was over - the Macedonians had rendered them helpless militarily) and became the hegemons over Greece.

See any parallels yet?

Does history repear itself? If it does, then what does this tell us for the future?
Is China the Parthians? And who takes the role of the Germanic Tribes?

i think i would be more like this
on the day america trys to march over to europe the joint forces of europe , the russian federation , and china retaliate, and the so called new rome is ended .

When Rome started to become powerful, Greece had already enjoyed a thousand years or so of civilisation.
They invented all sorts of fancy stuff, they battled the Persians and the like, and they fought each other.
Apparently they were rather cultured people (compared to early Romans), a little arrogant, and certainly not impressed by the upstart Romans from over the Adriatic.

Then Rome became big...marched over to Greece, killed the Macedonians (the time of the Greeks was over - the Macedonians had rendered them helpless militarily) and became the hegemons over Greece.

See any parallels yet?

Does history repear itself? If it does, then what does this tell us for the future?
Is China the Parthians? And who takes the role of the Germanic Tribes?
I see you trying to infer to us that the U.S. is going to destroy Europe.

i think i would be more like this
on the day america trys to march over to europe the joint forces of europe , the russian federation , and china retaliate, and the so called new rome is ended .

Think outside barbaric warfare for a moment. There is more than one way to conquer a people.

This 16,000th post is dedicated to the fair Aerou, the current proprietor of mi cuore.

America is about as interested in conquering Europe as the Romans were about Nebraska. Even with our supposed idealogical splits, our economies are intertwined on a very large scale. A war between a united Europe (if they can ever get it together) and America would be devastating. And pointless.

America doesn't conquer with armies, it conquers with industry.

Unless the country is dirt poor, then we use the army.

I'm a bit dubious that the Romans were any less cultured than the Greeks. It was a far less misogynistic society, and they were vastly better engineers.

Any war between the New Rome, and the Old World would be catastrophic for all parties. Why WW3 as not happened yet. What is the point of war if you destroy everything. And the male ego as nothing to wave saying "Oh boy oh boy. Mine WAS really BIGGer than his. Nyah Nyah Nyah" that sort of thing. See no one wins.

America doesn't conquer with armies, it conquers with industry.

Unless the country is dirt poor, then we use the army.

Ah, but this poster was drawing direct parrellels (spelling, I know) between the Romans and Americans. The Romans pretty much used armies solely. Aside from that, I don't think American industry, regardless of the strides it has made since the late 40's, can ever truly 'conquer' Europe. Which would you rather have, a Ford or Mercedes?

I see you trying to infer to us that the U.S. is going to destroy Europe.
Well that is one possible interpretation...

You know, I don't think I know what I'm trying to infer. But it's interesting to see different interpretations of it.

One nation does not equal another nation. Period.

That said, yes... Human history does tend to recycle events and trends.

I'm a bit dubious that the Romans were any less cultured than the Greeks. It was a far less misogynistic society, and they were vastly better engineers.
In their later years perhaps, but initially not only did they take over pretty much everything they knew from the Greeks, but Archimedes pwned their primitive troops with all kinds of fancy equipment.

I'm a bit dubious that the Romans were any less cultured than the Greeks. It was a far less misogynistic society, and they were vastly better engineers.
*shakes head* Roman engineering was a product of a Greek scholars entering Rome.

i think i would be more like this
on the day america trys to march over to europe the joint forces of europe , the russian federation , and china retaliate, and the so called new rome is ended .

There is a higher chance of jealous European states banding together to attack the United States to take our wealth.

Here is what I see,

America is like ancient Rome Republic during it's final days because it has gotten so big in size and the issues have become so complicated that no bureaucracy could even BEGIN to effectivly rule such a state. Corruption is rampant, apathy for the current system is growing, and small factions of the elite rich are vying for total control.

You could compare the Roman Republic and America in this standard, same problem, different times, that's all.

But when American Democracy falls, I wonder who will rule the American Empire? A CEO of a corporation? A member of a Political Dynasty? Or both?

There is a higher chance of jealous European states banding together to attack the United States to take our wealth.



what ???? your wealth , hahahah , funny that i would rather live in a country that have a high standard of living and freedom , then wealth , and the way things are going (bush) your wealth is worth nothing and as for american industry , china is going to piss all over that in future .


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6529893

http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/1117/ireland.html

*shakes head* Roman engineering was a product of a Greek scholars entering Rome.
Einstein, Tesla, etc..?

God, people. It was an analogy, not a direct comparison. That was obvious.

what ???? your wealth , hahahah , funny that i would rather live in a country that have a high standard of living and freedom , then wealth , and the way things are going (bush) your wealth is worth nothing and as for american industry , china is going to piss all over that in future .


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6529893

http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/1117/ireland.html

I suppose having a budget in the trillions is inconsequential? What would our standard of living have to do with anything? Conquering doesn't mean living here anyway.

I can see where this thread will go. Another the US is better.. no its not Europe is.

I can see the parallels between America and Rome. Different times always mean better technology. They did not have near instant communication with their various provinences and other technicial problems that came from a lack technology needed to run such a large sized nation.

But will a "New Rome" try to take over the "Old Greece" I do not see it happening. A war would be to costly for everyone.

I suppose having a budget in the trillions is inconsequential? What would our standard of living have to do with anything? Conquering doesn't mean living here anyway.


no i was just saying i dont see anything to be jealous of , any thinking that there is , is a little Arrogant

When Rome started to become powerful, Greece had already enjoyed a thousand years or so of civilisation.
They invented all sorts of fancy stuff, they battled the Persians and the like, and they fought each other.
Apparently they were rather cultured people (compared to early Romans), a little arrogant, and certainly not impressed by the upstart Romans from over the Adriatic.

Then Rome became big...marched over to Greece, killed the Macedonians (the time of the Greeks was over - the Macedonians had rendered them helpless militarily) and became the hegemons over Greece.

See any parallels yet?

Does history repear itself? If it does, then what does this tell us for the future?
Is China the Parthians? And who takes the role of the Germanic Tribes?

If history repeats itself, then someone culturally similar to Europe would have to conquer Europe, embark on a massive campaign to conquer the world, only to fall apart on the way back. THEN someone would come by and conquer whomever was left.

God, people. It was an analogy, not a direct comparison. That was obvious.

Shhhh..... Let's watch all the RPers pile on and debate the merits of the US invading Europe.

When Rome started to become powerful*snip*

Does history repear itself? If it does, then what does this tell us for the future?
Is China the Parthians? And who takes the role of the Germanic Tribes?
hmm...interesting. Never thought of it that way but it works pretty well.
I have heard American compared to Rome, and terrorists compared to Germanic tribes. I personally vote for the Canadians being the tribes. Just because I think that would be fun and ironic

This is a very apt analogy.

Ah, but this poster was drawing direct parrellels (spelling, I know) between the Romans and Americans. The Romans pretty much used armies solely. Aside from that, I don't think American industry, regardless of the strides it has made since the late 40's, can ever truly 'conquer' Europe. Which would you rather have, a Ford or Mercedes?

Ah, but does Europe have anything comparable to McDonald's? Walmart? That is the true export of the US, and that is how the Soviet Union was conquered. I heard a really good quote once. "With peace with the Soviet Union came the Red Army, with peace with the U.S. came Holiday Inn." In this sort of way, Europe has already been taken over. Heck, Germany even loves NFL Europe.

I don't know. The only real similarity between the two is that the US is the most powerful nation and European nations were but lost it to us. We've got a lot more going for us in everything than the Romans did.

One nation does not equal another nation. Period.

That said, yes... Human history does tend to recycle events and trends.
And since Governments never learn from history, It will continue to repeat itself.

History can be anoying the way it does that. Oh well everyone start learning Chineese and convert to communism. Down with the facist scum comrades!

I find it more disturbing that we had a 50/50 shot of being the "United States of Vespucci" ...

I have already seen that part of history repeat itself. Only it repeated itself in the creation of the U.S. European nations, in this case Britian, colonize the world, until eventually their military is spread out too thin, so that when one territory revolts, there is not a thing the colonizers can do about it. The United States has never been a global colonizing force. We have taken territory, but it has become a part of the Federal government, or it has become a protectorate. Most of our current foriegn involvement is to fix a problem and let the nation then govern itself.

I have already seen that part of history repeat itself. Only it repeated itself in the creation of the U.S. European nations, in this case Britian, colonize the world, until eventually their military is spread out too thin, so that when one territory revolts, there is not a thing the colonizers can do about it. The United States has never been a global colonizing force. We have taken territory, but it has become a part of the Federal government, or it has become a protectorate. Most of our current foriegn involvement is to fix a problem and let the nation then govern itself.


Or let it sink into chaos.

The Germanic tribes would either be from the middle east or possibly some faction out of the eastern block i don't think the Croations would lie down and be occupied by a foreign power

The Germanic tribes would either be from the middle east or possibly some faction out of the eastern block i don't think the Croations would lie down and be occupied by a foreign power
One would've said the same thing about the Gauls for example...but after a few years they were assimilated by Roman culture and technology.

Ooooh, another parallel!

When Rome started to become powerful, Greece had already enjoyed a thousand years or so of civilisation.
They invented all sorts of fancy stuff, they battled the Persians and the like, and they fought each other.
Apparently they were rather cultured people (compared to early Romans), a little arrogant, and certainly not impressed by the upstart Romans from over the Adriatic.

Then Rome became big...marched over to Greece, killed the Macedonians (the time of the Greeks was over - the Macedonians had rendered them helpless militarily) and became the hegemons over Greece.

See any parallels yet?

Does history repear itself? If it does, then what does this tell us for the future?
Is China the Parthians? And who takes the role of the Germanic Tribes?


Interesting comparison...If the Chinese are the Parthians, then I hope that our Trajan shows up quickly...I don't see him on the horizon:-)