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From The Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2002587948_17magazine28.html)


This month, the following things were readily available to any teenage girl who stepped into an Albertsons store: at least four brands of condoms. A recent Men's Health magazine article called, "Six Secret Ways to Turn Her On." Cosmopolitan's tips on how to make your own sex video.

Unavailable in any of Albertsons' 2,500 locations was the October issue of Seventeen Magazine.

The grocery chain pulled that issue from shelves earlier this month. The reason? An article on women's anatomy.

The article, titled "Vagina 101," shows a drawing of a woman's genitalia with arrows pointing out the clitoris, the labia majora, the labia minora, the hymen and the anus. It provides a short description of each part of the anatomy, under the headline "Owner's Manual." On the second page, the author addresses what's normal and what's not.

The Idaho-based Albertsons' corporate office issued a statement saying it pulled the October issue after receiving complaints from customers who considered the article "inappropriate." The company has refused further comment.

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In the parking lot of a local Albertsons, customers differed widely on their reaction to the ban. Several mothers said the grocery chain did the right thing.

"Once their innocence is gone, it's gone," said Debbie Cottingham, 42, toting groceries alongside her 14-year-old daughter. She said it's her job as a mother to teach her three daughters about their bodies.



Sooooo, the girls can buy condoms and home-porn instructionals.....as long as they don't know the technical names for what body parts they are doin' things with?

Since when did ignorance equate to innocence anyway? This is anatomy for fuck's sake, not the Joy of Sex.


Anyone care to make a bet on whether Mrs. Cottingham really takes her daughter on a guided tour of her nether-regions as she seems to claim it is her duty to do? Frankly, that thought is even more disturbing than the idea of her daughter recieving literature to explain it.

"Here dear. lets get naked and learn some vocabulary in front of this mirror here.... now, spread 'em!"

And then someday she'll wonder how her little daughter wound up pregnant at 17, and blame society for not protecting her instead of looking in the mirror and thinking "Gee, maybe I should have raised an educated child instead of closing my eyes and hoping for the best."

But at least she'll be able to watch the tape of how it happened.....

that is ridiculous. it is an anatomy lesson. geez even if the word 'vagina' was on the cover, it's not a cuss word anymore than leg, or arm, or nose.:headbang:

that is ridiculous. it is an anatomy lesson. geez even if the word 'vagina' was on the cover, it's not a cuss word anymore than leg, or arm, or nose.:headbang:


All it takes these days is a couple of complaints by easily offended people I guess.

Oh no! Genitals! That's disgusting!!! What if our neighbours see her reading about that!

I see you havn't been keeping up with the news. Anatomy is part of sex education, and sex education encourages teen sex. That is why these people advocate no information abstinence ed, because if we don't tell them anything, they won't do it for fear of the unknown.

All it takes these days is a couple of complaints by easily offended people I guess.

Oh no! Genitals! That's disgusting!!! What if our neighbours see her reading about that!
they might assume that she is female?
I don't get it at all. My kids know the proper name for all thier stuff, it freaks other parents out. My 4 year old told her grandma once "I don't have a "hoo-hoo, I have a vagina"
I thought it was priceless, my mother-in-law thought it was pornographic

go figure:rolleyes:

I see you havn't been keeping up with the news. Anatomy is part of sex education, and sex education encourages teen sex. That is why these people advocate no information abstinence ed, because if we don't tell them anything, they won't do it for fear of the unknown.
O.o

I see you havn't been keeping up with the news. Anatomy is part of sex education, and sex education encourages teen sex. That is why these people advocate no information abstinence ed, because if we don't tell them anything, they won't do it for fear of the unknown.

Oh yes, it's those dry anatomical classes led by an embarrassed teacher that make kids horny.... not the fact that they are.... teenagers!


It would be funny if it weren't leading to the tragedy of an uneducated generation of children.....

they might assume that she is female?
I don't get it at all. My kids know the proper name for all thier stuff, it freaks other parents out. My 4 year old told her grandma once "I don't have a "hoo-hoo, I have a vagina"
I thought it was priceless, my mother-in-law thought it was pornographic

go figure:rolleyes:

I don't get it either. But people will be ..... stupid I guess.

Since when did ignorance equate to innocence anyway? This is anatomy for fuck's sake, not the Joy of Sex.
All I know is once I took Human Anatomy, my innocence was GONE. Next thing you know, I was humping everything in sight, doing drugs, and even sleeping through class. I blame the mons pubis; that thing is the bane of my existence.

they might assume that she is female?
I don't get it at all. My kids know the proper name for all thier stuff, it freaks other parents out. My 4 year old told her grandma once "I don't have a "hoo-hoo, I have a vagina"
I thought it was priceless, my mother-in-law thought it was pornographic

go figure:rolleyes:
hahahha your poor mother in law.

what kind of people dont teach their kids the proper names for body parts or the basics of where babies come from? i bet if you told THAT 4 year old some bullshit story of sex she would have it torn to pieces before you could figure out what story to tell her next.

anyway

those kinds of magazine articles are very good for teen girls to read. many many girls worry that their genital area is grossly deformed. they need to know the matter of fact truth about what is and what isnt normal.

Olara']All I know is once I took Human Anatomy, my innocence was GONE. Next thing you know, I was humping everything in sight, doing drugs, and even sleeping through class. I blame the mons pubis; that thing is the bane of my existence.
ROFL

I see you havn't been keeping up with the news. Anatomy is part of sex education, and sex education encourages teen sex. That is why these people advocate no information abstinence ed, because if we don't tell them anything, they won't do it for fear of the unknown.
thats great lol

It seems that neo-conservatives are freaking out about technical terms everywhere!

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/mikeadams/2005/10/25/172676.html

This guy seems to think that the term "clitoris" is an "offensive term", since he deleted it from his reprint of the sex trivia sheet.

hahahha your poor mother in law.

what kind of people dont teach their kids the proper names for body parts or the basics of where babies come from? i bet if you told THAT 4 year old some bullshit story of sex she would have it torn to pieces before you could figure out what story to tell her next.

anyway

those kinds of magazine articles are very good for teen girls to read. many many girls worry that their genital area is grossly deformed. they need to know the matter of fact truth about what is and what isnt normal.
yeah you should read about what she did at the zoo this summer.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9866850&postcount=117

yeah you should read about what she did at the zoo this summer.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9866850&postcount=117

lmao - I'd have loved to see that.

but then again, my response to Mrs. Cottingham would have been something like "For fuck's sake, it just tells her where her clitoris IS, not how to play with it!"

Well, some people believe that the human body is something to be ashamed of. These people are called "Morons" ... that's the polite version at least.

yeah you should read about what she did at the zoo this summer.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9866850&postcount=117

Awww, that's cute! It sounds kind of like me when I was that age! I've got two stories my mom loves to tell me about myself:

1) My parents had no problem taking me in the shower with them when I was a toddler. Obviously, I asked about the differences between mommy and daddy and what that thing was that daddy had that I did not. In the grocery store soon after, another lady in line was laughing at one of the silly magazines that had a big article about men being born with tails (which does happen, but they blow it way out of proportion). Anyways, I looked straight at the lady and said (very loudly, because I was always loud at that age), "My daddy has a tail. He calls it a penis!" Everyone was apparently shocked, hehe. And my mom realized she hadn't quite explained it right and told me later that, no, it isn't actually a tail.

2) My mother ran a infant and toddler clothing store when I was about the same age. I asked why so many big women came in, so my mother explained to me (as best she could at my age) where babies come from. In a public place later on, I apparently saw a woman who was overweight (but, much to my mother's chagrin, not actually pregnant). I apparently walked right up to her and said, "I know why you look so fat! It's cuz there's a baby in there!" hehe

Oh yes, it's those dry anatomical classes led by an embarrassed teacher that make kids horny.... not the fact that they are.... teenagers!


It would be funny if it weren't leading to the tragedy of an uneducated generation of children.....


The longer teenagers consider sex as a mystery and their own genitalia as taboo, the more inclined they will be to have spur of the moment, unprotected sex. Teach them what they need to know, and reassure them that they're normal and things will go much easier for them.

lmao - I'd have loved to see that.

but then again, my response to Mrs. Cottingham would have been something like "For fuck's sake, it just tells her where her clitoris IS, not how to play with it!"
oh LOL, I may use that when discussing with my mother-in-law.

yeah you should read about what she did at the zoo this summer.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9866850&postcount=117
That's pretty hilarious. Kudos on your parenting strategy. Out of curiosity, what happened next?

Olara']That's pretty hilarious. Kudos on your parenting strategy. Out of curiosity, what happened next?
that mom took me aside and commented on how my child "knows too much"
I replied "she only knows what she needs to"

after about a week the mom asked me out to lunch so that she could learn to educate her kids, like I do.

My sex talk strategy

1 start young
2 never use pet names for body parts until they know the real names, and then only use them if they are funny
3 if they are old enough to ask a question they are old enough to know the answer.
4 DON'T LIE
if you think your two year old is too young to understand where babies come from and she asks DON'T LIE, oversimplify maybe but if they ask for a more indepth explaination, then explain and DON'T LIE

sorry but I am getting annoyed with all the 'stork' and 'cabbage patch' crap that people try to feed my kids, my kids know better and will call them out on that crap every single time, and that is sweet :p

sorry but I am getting annoyed with all the 'stork' and 'cabbage patch' crap that people try to feed my kids, my kids know better and will call them out on that crap every single time, and that is sweet :p
Stork? Cabbage? Sounds kinky........


sorry *turns red*

Stork? Cabbage? Sounds kinky........


sorry *turns red*


Actually, I have a recipe that calls for just those ingredients..... but it's never done much for conception that I'm aware of....although.....

"OK. Now then you take the stork. kill it, pluck it, stuff it with the cabbage, baste it, and roast it at 350 for two hours. Then, you have a baby"

"How does that make the baby?"

"Well, after a nice dinner you screw your brains out on the dining room table !"

Actually, I have a recipe that calls for just those ingredients..... but it's never done much for conception that I'm aware of....although.....

"OK. Now then you take the stork. kill it, pluck it, stuff it with the cabbage, baste it, and roast it at 350 for two hours. Then, you have a baby"

"How does that make the baby?"

"Well, after a nice dinner you screw your brains out on the dining room table !"
you should put a disclaimer about how if you don't remove the dishes from the table first that you could get hurt...........

Actually, I have a recipe that calls for just those ingredients..... but it's never done much for conception that I'm aware of....although.....

"OK. Now then you take the stork. kill it, pluck it, stuff it with the cabbage, baste it, and roast it at 350 for two hours. Then, you have a baby"

"How does that make the baby?"

"Well, after a nice dinner you screw your brains out on the dining room table !"
I guess that works too.:p :eek: ;) :fluffle::confused:

you should put a disclaimer about how if you don't remove the dishes from the table first that you could get hurt...........

True. We ARE trying to teach the kids to be safe and responsible after all...

True. We ARE trying to teach the kids to be safe and responsible after all...
WARNING TO TEENAGERS: HAVING SEX ON TOP OF POINTY OBJECTS CAN CUASE INJURY OR DEATH.


Doing many things on top of said pointy objects can have said result.

True. We ARE trying to teach the kids to be safe and responsible after all...
Just don't try to write about it in Seventeen.

WARNING TO TEENAGERS: HAVING SEX ON TOP OF POINTY OBJECTS CAN CUASE INJURY OR DEATH.
Um... if it ain't pointy, how can they be having sex? :eek:

(oh, hush Fass... :rolleyes: )

Well this is just stupid. Utterly, unforgivably stupid.

True. We ARE trying to teach the kids to be safe and responsible after all...
kids? I was talking about adults.

Um... if it ain't pointy, how can they be having sex? :eek:

(oh, hush Fass... :rolleyes: )
Well, I guess if you're into that sort of thing....


You know what I meant.:p

And you know the 14-year old that was tagging along was waiting to get home to call her boyfriend so she could go over to his house and "fool around."

Well, I guess if you're into that sort of thing....Ride'm Cowgirl!
You know what I meant.:pMy bed of nails is quite comfortable, thank you...

that mom took me aside and commented on how my child "knows too much"

psh...a child knowing too much. Is that even possible?

seriously, I stopped giggling and feeling uncomfortable about words like penis, sex, and vagina by the time I was in 5th grade. (okay, so I still make perverted jokes, but I'm a guy. It comes with the territory)

We have one health teacher at my old hs who blushes and giggles every time someone says penis. He's a friggin 30 year old teacher. Grow up.

"Here dear. lets get naked and learn some vocabulary in front of this mirror here.... now, spread 'em!"


Was anyone else mildy turned on by this statement?

Was anyone else mildy turned on by this statement?

Not when discussing a 14-year old......

Not when discussing a 14-year old......
Surrely by now you have learned that NS is a Quarantine Camp for the dirty, old men of the Interweb.

Was anyone else mildy turned on by this statement?
only mildly.
















Okay, I lied. Very.

Um... if it ain't pointy, how can they be having sex? :eek:
Personally, if it doesn't involve several household appliances, a number of dead bodies, a pail of fresh blood, a whip, and a burning-hot wire net, it shouldn't count. :D

Personally, if it doesn't involve several household appliances, a number of dead bodies, a pail of fresh blood, a whip, and a burning-hot wire net, it shouldn't count. :D
Erotic is using a feather. Kinky is using the whole damn chicken.

Erotic is using a feather. Kinky is using the whole damn chicken.
What is it when you use the chicken, the feather, and a crate full of eggs?

What is it when you use the chicken, the feather, and a crate full of eggs?
beautifully twisted

Erotic is using a feather. Kinky is using the whole damn chicken.
You mean some people limit themselves to chickens? I pity them.:p

Was anyone else mildy turned on by this statement?
i watch far too much anime, so you can be the judge on that :D

You mean some people limit themselves to chickens? I pity them.:p
yes, everybody loves tentacle love

You mean some people limit themselves to chickens? I pity them.:p
Do I even want to quesiton your prefered livestock?

myself? I prefer a nice black goat.

Hokay, people, BACK ON TOPIC (which bestiality is NOT).

they might assume that she is female?
I don't get it at all. My kids know the proper name for all thier stuff, it freaks other parents out. My 4 year old told her grandma once "I don't have a "hoo-hoo, I have a vagina"
I thought it was priceless, my mother-in-law thought it was pornographic

go figure:rolleyes:

I love your 4 year old. Everytime you quote her I want to yell "You go girl!" :D

Good job Smunkeeville. Keep it up!

I love your 4 year old. Everytime you quote her I want to yell "You go girl!" :D

Good job Smunkeeville. Keep it up!
she is awesome, my 2 year old is getting just as good too. I really worry that one day my kids will be cooler than I am (oh who am I kidding? they already are)


btw I was in the bathroom at church tonight and this 7 year old little girl asked about the tampon machine, so I explained. Her mom is mad at me. Oh well, if a kid is old enough to ask, who am I to deny the answer.

If you don't want your kids corrupted by the truth keep them away from me :D

btw I was in the bathroom at church tonight and this 7 year old little girl asked about the tampon machine, so I explained. Her mom is mad at me. Oh well, if a kid is old enough to ask, who am I to deny the answer.

WTF? Tampons aren't even sexual... well not in theory :eek: :p

WTF? Tampons aren't even sexual... well not in theory :eek: :p
I basically said "they are for when a woman is having her menstral cycle"
she kept asking specific questions, so I answered them specifically.

by the end of 10 minutes she knew about ovaries and eggs and sperm and everything, I didn't go into the actual sex act because she didn't ask about it, just basically sperm and egg make baby if sperm doesn't connect with egg and start growing then everything gets flushed and you start a new cycle next month. I mean that is pretty basic right, something that a 7 year old should know esp since girls are starting thier periods at like 8 or 9 more and more these days.

I basically said "they are for when a woman is having her menstral cycle"
she kept asking specific questions, so I answered them specifically.

by the end of 10 minutes she knew about ovaries and eggs and sperm and everything, I didn't go into the actual sex act because she didn't ask about it, just basically sperm and egg make baby if sperm doesn't connect with egg and start growing then everything gets flushed and you start a new cycle next month. I mean that is pretty basic right, something that a 7 year old should know esp since girls are starting thier periods at like 8 or 9 more and more these days.

Yeah some people just like ignorance I guess. Idiots, I say.

they might assume that she is female?
I don't get it at all. My kids know the proper name for all thier stuff, it freaks other parents out. My 4 year old told her grandma once "I don't have a "hoo-hoo, I have a vagina"
I thought it was priceless, my mother-in-law thought it was pornographic

go figure:rolleyes:


Gas for the SUV to drive the kids to soccer practice -- $2.75 per gallon

Ballet lessons -- $50 a month

Having your 4-year-lod freak-out your in-laws -- priceless. :D

Gas for the SUV to drive the kids to soccer practice -- $2.75 per gallon

Ballet lessons -- $50 a month

Having your 4-year-lod freak-out your in-laws -- priceless. :D
oh yeah. :p She freaked out her bible study teacher tonight too, although it had nothing to do with body parts or biological process, she was speaking about how God is paradoxical, but that is okay because she understands.;)

oh yeah. :p She freaked out her bible study teacher tonight too, although it had nothing to do with body parts or biological process, she was speaking about how God is paradoxical, but that is okay because she understands.;)


Watch that kid. She sounds like me at her age.

If anything, it's important girls understand what is and isn't normal when they're going through a time when thigns are changing and they may nto be comfortable talking with their parents about it.

Watch that kid. She sounds like me at her age.
yeah me too, it is kinda depressing thinking about how much smarter I would be now if I hadn't killed off all those brain cells when I was addicted to drugs. :(

If anything, it's important girls understand what is and isn't normal when they're going through a time when thigns are changing and they may nto be comfortable talking with their parents about it.
yeah, I have been the "cool adult type person" for many girls that have had questions they didn't want to ask thier parents. I think (imo) that they don't want to talk to thier parents because they think that thier parents think that it is "bad" or worse they might embarrass thier parents. I am not embarrassed about any of it and I hope my girls will always feel comfortable talking to me about this stuff, but if they aren't I am going to shove as much info into them as I can while they will :p

yeah, I have been the "cool adult type person" for many girls that have had questions they didn't want to ask thier parents. I think (imo) that they don't want to talk to thier parents because they think that thier parents think that it is "bad" or worse they might embarrass thier parents. I am not embarrassed about any of it and I hope my girls will always feel comfortable talking to me about this stuff, but if they aren't I am going to shove as much info into them as I can while they will :p
glad someone will do it even if their parents wont. My parents never had the sex talk perse, but never refused to answer questions and never lied

glad someone will do it even if their parents wont. My parents never had the sex talk perse, but never refused to answer questions and never lied
that is the important thing, I can't stress enough don't ever ever lie to your kids. don't even stretch the truth.
"Pot will kill you if you smoke it" is not an effective message when they find out it isn't true, neither is "sex is bad" because we all know it is very not bad, in fact it is super good. Give them enough truthful information so that they can make an educated choice when you aren't there to "catch them"

that is the important thing, I can't stress enough don't ever ever lie to your kids. don't even stretch the truth.
"Pot will kill you if you smoke it" is not an effective message when they find out it isn't true, neither is "sex is bad" because we all know it is very not bad, in fact it is super good. Give them enough truthful information so that they can make an educated choice when you aren't there to "catch them"Infact, overdose them with truth it the best solution. We all know some of the truth about sex could shy kids off it for years.

that is the important thing, I can't stress enough don't ever ever lie to your kids. don't even stretch the truth.
"Pot will kill you if you smoke it" is not an effective message when they find out it isn't true, neither is "sex is bad" because we all know it is very not bad, in fact it is super good. Give them enough truthful information so that they can make an educated choice when you aren't there to "catch them"
well, they never lied about serious things. I was convinced untill I was 10 that using bar soap to wash your hair would dry your brain out.