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enuff said

Really?

If you say so...

enuff said
Nah, I reckon saying nothing would have been better than starting a pointless thread.

If you say so...I say so. :D

If you know me...you know there is a lot more coming this way...

Nah, I reckon saying nothing would have been better than starting a pointless thread.If this was a pointless thread I would not have signed it.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=1273355&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Finally one Democrat Leader with cojones...they are not all wimps after all.

I would vote for this one if he decides to run for president...

I say so. :D

If you know me...you know there is a lot more coming this way...

In which case your first post was entirely wrong. As apparently there was indeed not enough said...

Democratic maneuver sends Frist, Republicans into apoplexy
WASHINGTON (November 02, 2005)-- In the genteel club that is the United States Senate, Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., had a screaming temper tantrum yesterday.

Minutes after his Democratic counterpart, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., used a surprise parliamentary maneuver to throw the Senate into a rare closed session, Dr. Frist burst from the chamber and approached the cameras in the hallway.

Without counting to 10, as anger-management experts recommend when you are very, very mad, the majority leader exploded.

"About 10 minutes ago or so, the United States Senate has been hijacked by the Democratic leadership!" he announced. Never, he said, have "I been slapped in the face with such an affront to the leadership of this grand institution." Epithets flew from his mouth: "They have no conviction. They have no principles. They have no ideas. This is a pure stunt."

Dr. Frist was now sputtering. "This is an affront to me personally. It's an affront to our leadership. It's an affront to the United States of America!" Turning sorrowful, he vowed that "for the next year and a half, I can't trust Senator Reid."

"Mr. Leader," one stunned journalist observed, "I don't remember you being so exercised over something before."

"You've never seen me in heart surgery," the senator, a transplant specialist, replied.

Dr. Frist's patients -- not to mention the Tennessee medical licensing board -- may be surprised to learn that he had operating-room rage. But his reaction to Mr. Reid's provocation was predictable.

without knowing what Mr. Reid said, I can't make any judgement. I can't say that Mr. Reid is great, or Frist isn't. I have no idea what the hell happened.

Tempest in a tea pot, anyone? It's more, as we call it, "a Polish parliament" than a USian one.

Hilarious!

without knowing what Mr. Reid said, I can't make any judgement. I can't say that Mr. Reid is great, or Frist isn't. I have no idea what the hell happened.He asked a simple question to the Gov "Was the Iraq War started on a Lie?"...

But he did it in a way...it invites war...on the senate floor...and potentially all over the political spectrum...

He is basically screaming to the Republicans "BRING IT ON!!!"

and the Republicans are stunned...cos they though they pwned the Wimpy democrats.

He asked a simple question to the Gov "Was the Iraq War started on a Lie?"...

But he did it in a way...it invites war...on the senate floor...and potentially all over the political spectrum...

coffee break is over...
Do you want to speak in complete sentences? It makes it a lot easier to understand you.

Again, without seeing exactly how it was said, I cannot comment. This was a closed session, so it kinda makes it hard to know what happened inside.

Do you want to speak in complete sentences?No.

Sue me. :D

If I had made this thread, it would have been locked :(

If I had made this thread, it would have been locked :(

This one probably will be, too. Give the mods time.

If I had made this thread, it would have been locked :(I saw it on CNN...but I cant link Live TV...but i found a Link a few minutes later.

What rule did I break? (in your imagination)

well, I read your article, and now I am wonderingwhere you got your quotes from. Where is this reporter saying that he has never seen Frist so emotional? it certainly isn't in the article you linked to.

There is nothing about what was said inside the closed session, just what the topic of discussion was. There is some talk about what happened outside the session, but this would not explain Reid's actions.

This thread is dumb. It is useless.

I saw it on CNN...but I cant link Live TV...but i found a Link 2 minutes later.

What rule did I break? (in your imagination)
hehe, two minutes is all it takes for my threads to be locked for being "pointless" when I don't have a thesis

sorry for whining, but I think this might be the reason most threads fit the same format :P

well, I read your article, and now I am wonderingwhere you got your quotes from. Where is this reporter saying that he has never seen Frist so emotional? it certainly isn't in the article you linked to....http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05306/599115.stm

He asked a simple question to the Gov "Was the Iraq War started on a Lie?"...

But he did it in a way...it invites war...on the senate floor...and potentially all over the political spectrum...

He is basically screaming to the Republicans "BRING IT ON!!!"

and the Republicans are stunned...cos they though they pwned the Wimpy democrats.

Then it was the same "lie" that Pres. Clinton was using in 1998

You go Harry, you are giving the GOP a chance for a 60 seat majority in '06 with your childish antics.

sorry for whining...do not worry...I am used to it (from other posters...I think this is the first time I talk to you)

Then it was the same "lie" that Pres. Clinton was using in 1998

You go Harry, you are giving the GOP a chance for a 60 seat majority in '06 with you childish antics.Yes...GO harry ;)

Then it was the same "lie" that Pres. Clinton was using in 1998

You go Harry, you are giving the GOP a chance for a 60 seat majority in '06 with you childish antics.Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05306/599115.stm
Well, this article doesn't sound to me like it came from a good reporter or journalist.

Parliamentary tactic? Bullsh*t. If it is one of the Senate's Standing Rules, then it is obviously not just a parliamentary tactic.

Arcane rule? The only evidence the article gives is that it had not been used in 25 years. Great, so not using a rule in a long time makes it arcane? I guess that Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty is arcane to, as I think it has only been used once, for September 11th. (North Atlantic Treaty is the one for NATO, article 5 states that an attack on any member nation shall be treated as an attack on all, and all members will respond, which they did). Not being used in a long time is not evidence for it being arcane.

"Democrats did not deny that it was a stunt: a brazen effort to change the subject from the Supreme Court confirmation of Judge Samuel Alito, which Republicans prefer, to Iraq war deaths and the indictment last week of Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who promptly resigned." I wonder if they were even asked by this reporter, or any others. It is kinda hard to deny something if you are not asked about it, and I see no evidence that they were.

"The precautions were hardly necessary, because the senators -- rather than discussing sensitive information, as Rule 21 envisioned -- spent the next two hours bickering, and then rushing outside to give impromptu news conferences before the cameras. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., alone gave three in as many hours."
Again, this is all beside the point. One, I find it difficult to believe that the press knows for sure what happened inside (I have not seen a single democrats point of view in this article on what happened), as it is a closed session, no public, no press. Even if it did turn into bickering, the rule was properly used, as the topic was intelligence, possible intelligence failures, etc. These are sensitive areas, fully in line with Rule 21. Classified matters and documents may have been discussed, and the senators can't discuss the contents of those documents with the press.

Well, this article doesn't sound to me like it came from a good reporter or journalist.Then maybe we should try FoxNEWS...

Cos the reporter in question does not seems to be Fair-and-balaced...

:D :D :p :D

I GTG...Ill be back... :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :D

Then maybe we should try FoxNEWS...

Cos the reporter in question does not seems to be Fair-and-balaced...

:D :D :p :D
I'd rather try BBC, FoxNEWS is incredibly biased. BBC, I find, interviews top people from both sides, and presents both sides of the point of view.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4398142.stm
This seems more balanced tome, and does not make stupid claims or judgements.

enuff said
I sent him a basket of mini-muffins yesterday :).

It's sad, but that's how excited I get at the prospect of MAYBE having an opposition party in the US again. It's wonderful seeing Democrats growing back a tiny bit of spine. Maybe with enough mini-muffins I can convince them to keep it up!

Just tearing apart the Post-Gazette.com even more...

If something is arcane, it is supposed to be mysteries, or didfficult to find out about unless you are among a special few. They called Standing Rule 21 of the Senate arcane.

Well, I put into Google "Standing Rules senate" and the first thing that came up was this:
Standing Rules of the Senate - Index (http://rules.senate.gov/senaterules/menu.htm)
This site is part of the senate.gov domain, so it is official, and hardly hidden.

Here is rule 21:
SESSION WITH CLOSED DOORS

1. On a motion made and seconded to close the doors of the Senate, on the discussion of any business which may, in the opinion of a Senator, require secrecy, the Presiding Officer shall direct the galleries to be cleared; and during the discussion of such motion the doors shall remain closed.

2. When the Senate meets in closed session, any applicable provisions of rules XXIX and XXXI, including the confidentiality of information shall apply to any information and to the conduct of any debate transacted.



I would add that the post-gazette article said this had not been done in 25 years, but if I understand the BBC article correctly, that is not true. The BBC article says closed session was used in the impeachment hearings in 1999 of President Clinton. Now, it does not sepicifically say that the closed session was a use of rule 21, but I feel it is implied (especially since this is the only rule I see establishing how a session can be made closed), and 1999 was not 25 years ago. I would have to say the the post-gazette.com is not a good source of news or information.

bumpy

I sent him a basket of mini-muffins yesterday :).

It's sad, but that's how excited I get at the prospect of MAYBE having an opposition party in the US again. It's wonderful seeing Democrats growing back a tiny bit of spine. Maybe with enough mini-muffins I can convince them to keep it up!"...the prospect of MAYBE having an opposition again..."

You know what Bottle? ... It does reflect the actual situation of the US congress

If you know me...you know there is a lot more coming this way...
If you know me ... you'll know that there's a forumban with your name on it if you start another thread like this, waiting half an hour to post any actual content.

If you don't have anything ready to say ...

... don't say it.

I sent him a basket of mini-muffins yesterday :).

It's sad, but that's how excited I get at the prospect of MAYBE having an opposition party in the US again. It's wonderful seeing Democrats growing back a tiny bit of spine. Maybe with enough mini-muffins I can convince them to keep it up!
I'm sure he'll appreciate that. ;)

I'm not surprised though at what he did, I'm surprised it took him so long to do it. But then again, Sen Reid has a reputation at home as being a very pacient man, much more so than his fellow Nevadans.

And wasn't that just an awesome picture of him in the Washington Post this morning?

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/duncanblack/reid.jpg

And wasn't that just an awesome picture of him in the Washington Post this morning?

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/duncanblack/reid.jpg
that is pretty cool :)

And wasn't that just an awesome picture of him in the Washington Post this morning?

It is a striking photo. How does he balance that wheel while juggling those two heads?

THX for the Pic Nazz...It is an awesome pic.

... Sen Reid has a reputation at home as being a very pacient man, much more so than his fellow Nevadans.tell us more about him...

I think I would like him to run for president.

tell us more about him...

I think I would like him to run for president.
Nah--I like hiim fine just where he is. Besides, do you think that the nation is ready for a Mormon president? :D

Finally one Democrat Leader with cojones...

I would vote for this one if he decides to run for president...
Cojones? More like just plain old stupid obstructionism, I'd say. I doubt he'll even be relected to the Senate.

Nah--I like hiim fine just where he is. Besides, do you think that the nation is ready for a Mormon president? :D...I am ready.
He could be muslim and I would not care...

Cojones? More like just plain old stupid obstructionism, I'd say. I doubt he'll even be relected to the Senate.
Well, he's not up for reelection until 2010, so you could be right, but somehow I doubt that if he loses, this will be a part of it.

Cojones? More like just plain old stupid obstructionism, I'd say. I doubt he'll even be relected to the Senate.
Keep dreaming Eut, he was easily relected in Nevada, he got over 60% of the vote and all counties except Douglas, but they are so arch-conservative they believe Bush is a liberal and disaprove of the use of fire.

Besides, Nevadans LIKE politics like this. You should see what happens in the state legislature.