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Well, the Gomery Report is out, the Conservatives and the Blocs are eager to "murder" the Liberal Government. The Liberals was like "shit, we're fucked now" and the NDP was like "Aww, jeez. Not this shit again", the Conservatives was like "Muahahahahahaha.....*evil laugh*", and the Blocs was like "VIVE LA QUEBEC!!!".

BTW, take your pick.

*POLL WARNING*

Jack's my man, definately.

We need some change, and we need that change to be for the better.

He's the only one fit for the job. A minority NDP government would be the best. Left-leaning, but with an opposition to remind them not to overspend.

http://www.ndp.ca/themes/ndp/images/ndp_logo.gif

Harper looks like a pedaphile...

Harper looks like a pedaphile...

I rather thought he looked like a prejudiced, moronic bigot with violent tendencies.

What does a paedophile look like, anyway? I have this mental image of a priest in robes in my mind... :p

http://www.lpco.ca/images/index_01.gif


http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I7645-2003Jun17L

If there is a libertarian Canadian party, that's what I'd vote for.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I7645-2003Jun17L
If I were Hillary, I would find this photo very disturbing.

Bill & Belinda :fluffle: lol

If I were Hillary, I would find this photo very disturbing.
Hilary manages to look in the mirror every morning. I think it takes a lot to disturb her.

I rather thought he looked like a prejudiced, moronic bigot with violent tendencies.

What does a paedophile look like, anyway? I have this mental image of a priest in robes in my mind... :p
So I am not the only one.:p

Anyways, if the election is in the latter part of March I will be voting NDP. They came pretty close to winning my riding too.

i'll be voting ndp, but i'm in alberta, so it likely won't make a huge difference. ah, alberta. training its youth not to bother voting for god knows how long...

NDP for me.

Looking at the poll results so far, if these numbers actually were factual, then the NDP would enjoy a massive majority, the Greens would be the official Opposition and no Conservatives or Blocs would win a seat. LMAO.:eek:

http://www.conservative.ca/

Well, Since noone else wil do it. I will.
By the way I live in Alberta.
Go, King Ralph.

Looking at the poll results so far, if these numbers actually were factual, then the NDP would enjoy a massive majority, the Greens would be the official Opposition and no Conservatives or Blocs would win a seat. LMAO.:eek:Kinda perfect, I always want to see a NDP Government, with the Liberals as the official opposition, the Greens as a third party, a few independents, and no seats for the Conservatives and the Blocs.:p

Hey, the poll bars match up to the party colours! Well, at least the first three. We needed another option before the Greens could match.

:)

I would have to go with the libertarian party

Well, the Gomery Report is out, the Conservatives and the Blocs are eager to "murder" the Liberal Government. The Liberals was like "shit, we're fucked now" and the NDP was like "Aww, jeez. Not this shit again", the Conservatives was like "Muahahahahahaha.....*evil laugh*", and the Blocs was like "VIVE LA QUEBEC!!!".

BTW, take your pick.

*POLL WARNING*If I was the NDP, I be going WHEEEEEEEEEEE!
Canadians will never trust Harper, Martin's been vindicated, but people are still pissed with the Liberals, and Duceppe is a douchbag. Jack Layton has proved his strength in the last budget, and I'll be damned if he doesn't get those exra couple all-important seats in the election. he's go my vote anyway.

By the way, it's NOT going to happen this year. Harper and Duceppe can dream (if they take a break form other, slightly less tranquille, bed-fellow activities).

Canadians will never trust Harper . . . Jack Layton has proved his strength in the last budget.

In case you haven't noticed, there are a lot more Canadians who voted for Harper than who voted for Layton. The NDP party's platform is far too extreme and "scary" to win the support of the average Canadian, which is why the Conservative party (or its close relatives, the Reform and Alliance party) has usually managed to at least form official opposition, whereas the NDP never has. How many years of Canadians saying "no" will it take before the NDP gets the hint?

Duceppe is a douchbag.

I prefer to think of him as a shower cap.

http://www.conservative.ca/

By the way I live in Alberta.

Now, there's a shocker! ;)

If there is a libertarian Canadian party, that's what I'd vote for.

I think there is one, but it's pretty small and I don't think that voting for it would do much good. I'm not sure if they even ran a candidate in my riding last election. Usually I support the conservatives, since they at least tend to have a small government mentality, even though they are decidedly statist on a number of issues.

In case you haven't noticed, there are a lot more Canadians who voted for Harper than who voted for Layton. The NDP party's platform is far too extreme and "scary" to win the support of the average Canadian, which is why the Conservative party (or its close relatives, the Reform and Alliance party) has usually managed to at least form official opposition, whereas the NDP never has. How many years of Canadians saying "no" will it take before the NDP gets the hint?Clearly, I'm measuring the Conservatives' and the NDP's strength on slightly different scales. I think that as long as Harper remains leader, the conservatives will not form a government. I think that as long as Jack Layton remains leader, the NDP will continue to gain momentum, and move farther away from "getting" any given hint that they aren't important. The last budget proved that.
I prefer to think of him as a shower cap.Not a bad image

http://www.lpco.ca/images/index_01.gif


http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I7645-2003Jun17L
:D

Hey... you know me... I'm a liberal. I think Paul Martin will be a great PM, much more effective than Chretien. Personally I think the ideal scenario would be to keep the current Liberal-NDP deal. Just like in the Pearson era. That would keep the Liberal Party where I feel it belongs. Slightly Left of centre and not Right of centre.

Clearly, I'm measuring the Conservatives' and the NDP's strength on slightly different scales. I think that as long as Harper remains leader, the conservatives will not form a government. I think that as long as Jack Layton remains leader, the NDP will continue to gain momentum, and move farther away from "getting" any given hint that they aren't important. The last budget proved that.

Ah, fair enough then. I'm pretty neutral on the issue of whether or not Harper is a good leader for the Conservatives. I think he's fine, but I wouldn't really support him if his leadership was challenged.

On the other hand, I find Jack Layton very creepy, and I don't think that has anything to do with the fact that I disagree with his policies. There's just something about the way he looks and the way he talks that I don't like. But, if most Canadians like him, who am I to judge?

i'll be voting ndp, but i'm in alberta, so it likely won't make a huge difference. ah, alberta. training its youth not to bother voting for god knows how long...

It matters if you vote for them. As of the new electoral laws, parties get a part of public funding proportionate to the number of votes they receive.

So even if you have no hope of electing that NDP candidate of yours, voting for him will still add a couple of bucks to the party's coffers, and facilitate their next campaign.

It beats staying at home being an apathetic citizen who doesn't vote.

I find Jack Layton very creepy.... There's just something about the way he looks and the way he talks that I don't like.

Jack is staring at you... :D :D :D

http://www.tonymartin.ca/photogallery/jacklayton/variant/medium

You find Jack very creepy because he looked like that guy in that video professor commercial?

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/videoprof.jpg

lol

I met Jack once at some NDP election victory party in my riding last year, he's a cool guy and NOT creepy.

BTW, the creepiest politician I know is that jesus-freak, Bush-loving Stephen Harper.:eek:

Jacks got that creapy but " I truly wana help you look" Harper on the other hand looks like hes undead or something


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so thats where he gets the funds for the NDP!

Jacks got that creapy but " I truly wana help you look" Harper on the other hand looks like hes undead or something
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8421/today3wk.gif

Thats the Face of a Lich man!

lol, nobody votes for the blocs.

You know in some countries a party like the Bloc Qubecois can be considered inconstitutional.

lol, nobody votes for the blocs.

Well, technically speaking, only people from Québec votes for the Bloc. And not all of them do.

For example, I live in Québec but vote NDP because I don't wish to split from Canada. I just want Canada to be ruled by a party who will not centralize to the extreme. Give more leeway to provinces ( not just Québec, all of them) and stop hoarding all the cash at Ottawa while provinces starve and you'll end separatism forever.

You know in some countries a party like the Bloc Qubecois can be considered inconstitutional.

Good thing it's no unconstitutionnal here. Even though I don't agree with their solution(splitting from Canada) the Bloc is a very popular regional party who underlines very important dysfunctions in our current confederationnal system.

What some english Canadians see as an attack against Canadian unity, I see a healthy critique. The conservatives and NDP don't question how our federal-provincial system works; the Bloc does. And I believe the current system can be improved. A lot.

So even though I don't vote for them, I think they have a place into parliament.

Don't get me wrong... I couldn't agree more. Canada needs the Bloc Quebec, as strange as that may seem. They are parlaments strongest and best opposition.

Good thing it's no unconstitutionnal here.

Actually it technically is. You see under our (Canadian) rules you can only have a federal party if you have all of Canada as your interest. Clearly that is not the case with The Bloc. So by all means it is unconstitutional for a party to only represent one province, thus being unconstitutional .

However, I believe they have let it slide because of a few reasons, mostly it shuts up the separatists and second, it's not like they could ever form a federal government anyway given they only run in Quebec.

As for my vote, I will vote for the only party able to form a government other than the Conservatives. I will vote as usual for the Liberal Party because they are our only choice for good government. The NDP has never formed a federal government in Canadian history and I doubt that's about to change any time soon.

Go Ndp!! :d

What does NDP stand for and what are they for?

What does NDP stand for and what are they for?New Democratic Party
They're our leftmost party (if you don't count the actual Communist party) Government/Union focus, pro-taxes and lots of government services.

I'll be voting for the Green party, myself. They want to move more toward use taxes rather than income taxes, and seem to be one of the only parties really interested in the democratic process.

Stephistan: With the new legislation in place, it's definitely time to stop trying to vote strategically. Since every vote you make now gives the party you vote for money, when you vote strategically instead of for your actual choice, you're not only hurting your real choice, but you're aiding the people you don't really want in.

Stephanistan why vote for the lesser of two evils, if you feel the NDP is a better party vote for the NDP and not the Liberals. Strategic voting is not the point of democratic elections.

Go the Greens!

The NDP has never formed a federal government in Canadian history and I doubt that's about to change any time soon.

See, I'm pretty sure a whole damn lot of Canadians think that way. It's called the "poll syndrome", if I recall correctly. People are going to vote for thow they think will win, not who they really want to support.

That being said, we need to reform our electoral system. It's not normal that the greens get 5% (1 out of 20 Canadians) voting for them, yet having consistently 0% power in the chamber of commons. It's not normal the Libs form the government with only 35% sufferage but 45% of the seats(rough numbers off the top of my head).

I might vote Bloc Québécois if I lived in Québec and if I lived anywhere else I would be certain to vote NDP.

Go NDP!!!:D
Haha!!! The "Jesus" party only got 4 votes.:p

I met Jack once at some NDP election victory party in my riding last year, he's a cool guy and NOT creepy.

I met him and Olivia Chow on several occasions and he's really quite a charming man. I even saw the two of them dressed as Starfleet personnel outside a big Toronto Sci-Fi convention a few years back, and the uniforms suited them, oddly enough...!

Stephistan: With the new legislation in place, it's definitely time to stop trying to vote strategically. Since every vote you make now gives the party you vote for money, when you vote strategically instead of for your actual choice, you're not only hurting your real choice, but you're aiding the people you don't really want in.
I know I'm done strategically voting Liberal just to keep the Tories at bay. I'm voting NDP again.

I voted for Harper in the Leadership Convention only because the other two candidates would have been worse. As we can see Stronach had no party loyalty and they would have lost votes in Western Canada if she was the leader. And the other guy didn't have a snowballs chance in Hell. I don't even remember his name. I think Peter McKay should head up the Federal Conservatives. By the way, I don't like Jack Layton and apprently Svend Robinson is going to run in the next election. NDP respect level if he gets a seat in the next election will go into the negative.

It matters if you vote for them. As of the new electoral laws, parties get a part of public funding proportionate to the number of votes they receive.

So even if you have no hope of electing that NDP candidate of yours, voting for him will still add a couple of bucks to the party's coffers, and facilitate their next campaign.

It beats staying at home being an apathetic citizen who doesn't vote.

it's very true, and i'm very much going to. i just pine for last year, when i was in vancouver and my riding was one of the 100-vote splits (new westminster, for those keeping track). now that was exciting democracy. now i'm back in alberta and the tory will win, and then proceed to not form a government, no matter who i vote for. it's disheartening, in a way.

and yeah, strategic voting is for chumps. voting for the lesser evil only ensures evil.

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2857

Grits Thrashed In Wake Of Gomery Report

Liberals (31%, -7 Points) Fall Into Virtual Tie With Tories (30%, +4 Points)
Potential Conservative Minority Looms If Vote Holds – Ontario Gives Tories Boost While Bloc Gains In Quebec

November 4, 2005

Toronto, ON – Despite Justice John Gomery's report "exonerating" Prime Minister Paul Martin in what has become known as the Quebec Sponsorship Scandal, support for his embattled party among decided voters has plummeted to a low not witnessed since May, 2005 according to the latest Ipsos Reid CanWest News Service/Global News national survey of Canadians. The poll shows that the recent Liberal lead over the Conservatives has all but evaporated, and the Bloc Quebecois now have a stronger stranglehold on Quebec denying Paul Martin any potential post Gomery ruling support momentum at "ground zero" for his party there.

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Let's just pray the conservatives don't get elected. :eek:

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2857

Grits Thrashed In Wake Of Gomery Report

Liberals (31%, -7 Points) Fall Into Virtual Tie With Tories (30%, +4 Points)
Potential Conservative Minority Looms If Vote Holds – Ontario Gives Tories Boost While Bloc Gains In Quebec

November 4, 2005

Toronto, ON – Despite Justice John Gomery's report "exonerating" Prime Minister Paul Martin in what has become known as the Quebec Sponsorship Scandal, support for his embattled party among decided voters has plummeted to a low not witnessed since May, 2005 according to the latest Ipsos Reid CanWest News Service/Global News national survey of Canadians. The poll shows that the recent Liberal lead over the Conservatives has all but evaporated, and the Bloc Quebecois now have a stronger stranglehold on Quebec denying Paul Martin any potential post Gomery ruling support momentum at "ground zero" for his party there.

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Let's just pray the conservatives don't get elected. :eek:
I would be ruined.

Let's just pray the conservatives don't get elected. :eek:

I would very much laugh at a minority conservative government with only 30% votes.

More likely, the libs and NDP would ask to form a coalition government. At least I hope they'd have the sense to do so.

The Liberals will rebound... I'm not the least bit worried. Canadians will never vote conservative while the US is mixing it up in the middle east.

IF I could vote I would usually go for the NDP, but since I know they won't win and I really don't want Harper to win, I'd go with the Liberals just to keep Harper out.

IF I could vote I would usually go for the NDP, but since I know they won't win and I really don't want Harper to win, I'd go with the Liberals just to keep Harper out.
Read my previous post about your vote actually getting the NDP funding.

Push for an electoral reform!

Stop voting for the lesser of two evils, dammit! :headbang:

IF I could vote I would usually go for the NDP, but since I know they won't win and I really don't want Harper to win, I'd go with the Liberals just to keep Harper out.
Look up the last election at wikipedia. Find your riding. There is a good chance that the Liberals did not stand a chance in your riding, which would render your voting stratagy useless. The Liberals could have barely beaten out the NDP last election meaning you would have voted against your party.

It'll be another ten years before the NDP can contend seriously. Go Libs, what you lack in responsibility you make up for in not being bloody nuts.

Let's just pray the conservatives don't get elected. :eek:

Looks like we brits share something with you guys :p

I would very much laugh at a minority conservative government with only 30% votes.

More likely, the libs and NDP would ask to form a coalition government. At least I hope they'd have the sense to do so.

i'm not sure how a conservative minority'd work, logistically speaking, since i'm pretty sure the bloc has stated on a couple of occasions that it wouldn't participate in any coalition government (something about how EVEN THEY admit that a regional party shouldn't govern the country) and the idea of a conservative/NDP minority makes my head explode