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I have seen in many threads people always bad mouthing the US and speaking rather ignorantly about it. Ignorance is not bliss.

So if America shut down all its foriegn bases, stopped aid to the world and shut down its borders like the presidents before WW2 wanted to do in the first place. Would that make you happy? Without the support of America how much more chaos would result as nations that rely on the US are left without support.

Not everyone in America is an ignorant person. Many of us are learned and intelligent. And the comments you people make are just as close minded and narrow as those in the US by inviduals who are unlearned and ignorant. So everything you accuse the US of being you are just as bad if not worse.

So like I said. If America where to shut down its borders and become self sufficent, which it is capable of being. Would that please you? Would the world economy last without the support of one of the strongest nations in the world?

speaking rather ignorantly

Oh, the irony.

Sorry, but America will never be self-sufficient. The United States and Europe are intertwined so tightly that if one falls, the other would be severely crippled. As for citizens, Americans and Europeans have more in common than either side would care to admit.

Oh, the irony.

It is always the US this, or the US that. So what if the US stopped doing? Then what would people bitch about? The US not helping? So no matter what the US does it will always be critized and put down. As either a bully or an uncaring nation.

So if America shut down all its foriegn bases, stopped aid to the world and shut down its borders like the presidents before WW2 wanted to do in the first place. Would that make you happy? Without the support of America how much more chaos would result as nations that rely on the US are left without support.

Not everyone in America is an ignorant person. Many of us are learned and intelligent. And the comments you people make are just as close minded and narrow as those in the US by inviduals who are unlearned and ignorant. So everything you accuse the US of being you are just as bad if not worse.

So like I said. If America where to shut down its borders and become self sufficent, which it is capable of being. Would that please you? Would the world economy last without the support of one of the strongest nations in the world?

What is up with your grammar? Oh, the fragments!

Sorry, but America will never be self-sufficient. The United States and Europe are intertwined so tightly that if one falls, the other would be severely crippled. As for citizens, Americans and Europeans have more in common than either side would care to admit.
We once were self-sufficient, we can do it again.

It is always the US this, or the US that. So what if the US stopped doing? Then what would people bitch about? The US not helping? So no matter what the US does it will always be critized and put down. As either a bully or an uncaring nation.

No, the U.S. is criticised because it's full of itself, and it tries to police the world like some big brother state, even though it's very young.

You're totally not getting the picture.

We were never self-sufficient. We have always relied on trade with other nations to survive.

I have seen in many threads people always bad mouthing the US and speaking rather ignorantly about it. Ignorance is not bliss.

So if America shut down all its foriegn bases, stopped aid to the world and shut down its borders like the presidents before WW2 wanted to do in the first place. Would that make you happy? Without the support of America how much more chaos would result as nations that rely on the US are left without support.

Not everyone in America is an ignorant person. Many of us are learned and intelligent. And the comments you people make are just as close minded and narrow as those in the US by inviduals who are unlearned and ignorant. So everything you accuse the US of being you are just as bad if not worse.

So like I said. If America where to shut down its borders and become self sufficent, which it is capable of being. Would that please you? Would the world economy last without the support of one of the strongest nations in the world?
If you really want to do that, by all means, go ahead. It'd be your loss, primarily.

Hardly anyone thinks all americans are like your current president, but there not all humans are capable of thinking, as you so aptly demonstrate.

Yes, we depend on you. Because the global economy is based on the Dollar. If you guys shut yourself off from the rest of the world, we would most likely switch to the Euro instead. I don't doubt that most of the moneytary interests of the world already wishes we could do that, since frankly, your economic management... ok, that came out wrong.. Economic mismanagement is extraordinary.

You're also the primary cause of armed conflict in the world, and outside the arms industries, noone but you are benefitting from that. It's actually shit for the rest of us, since the result is a lot of lost business opportunities & unstable markets.

No doubt, what you suggest isn't exactly desirable for the rest of the world, but you'd be hard pressed to argue that it's undesirable.

Personally I'd appreciate it if you just stopped murdering everyone & started to make an effort to preserve our biosphere, stop conflicts and so on. You know, acting responsibly, like the world's only superpower ought to.

AHHH! I hate these threads!
Very few people are America haters.

And the comments you people make are just as close minded and narrow as those in the US by inviduals who are unlearned and ignorant. So everything you accuse the US of being you are just as bad if not worse.
Quote one of these posts!
Strangely in every other one of these threads the poster didn't.

We once were self-sufficient, we can do it again.
Not and maintain our current standard of living.

It is always the US this, or the US that. So what if the US stopped doing? Then what would people bitch about?

France, sexism, chavs, the Godskwad, Commies, Nazis, trolls, each other, Africans, AIDS, basketball, automated telephone answering machines, the government, the Godskwad, the weather, each other, football, American Football, the Godskwad, heterosexuality, the mods, fat people, cars, public transport, the Godskwad, taxes, baseball, students, fireworks, racism, flamebait, lists, literature, Napoleon, democracy, the Cold War, the Godskwad

Before WW2 the US wanted to be left alone. It wanted to be by itself and take care of its own. Then came WW2, in the beginning we did not join the fighting, it was not our war. Not until Americans where targeted and the pleas of thousands roused us to war we did not want. It was WW2 that started America's expanisonism. And then later the collapse of French colonialism in Southeast Asia.

Why do people hate the USA?

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I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

Have you accepted Jesussaves as your personal savior?

No, the U.S. is criticised because it's full of itself, and it tries to police the world like some big brother state, even though it's very young.

You're totally not getting the picture.
And why would the age of a nation matter at all? I could take a part of California over and steal all of the intelligent people away there, and that nation would be the smartest, in spite of being no more than a few days old.
The only people who think that the age of a nation matter are going to be old world types who have nothing else to reccomend their country other than calling everyone else "damn kids."

It is always the US this, or the US that. So what if the US stopped doing? Then what would people bitch about? The US not helping? So no matter what the US does it will always be critized and put down.
thats politics for you. get used to it.

So if America shut down all its foriegn bases, stopped aid to the world and shut down its borders like the presidents before WW2 wanted to do in the first place. Would that make you happy?
No, I think the US should give more money in aid, and I think the US should open its borders completely.
As far as the military bases are concerned, you don't need them and they cost billions. Spend the money on aid, or education.

Without the support of America how much more chaos would result as nations that rely on the US are left without support.
Care to give me a list of those nations? Then we'll see whether we want to preserve that kind of governments.

Would the world economy last without the support of one of the strongest nations in the world?
It would hurt, but it would adjust. China and India are perfectly capable of taking your place as far as consumer demand is concerned.

We once were self-sufficient, we can do it again.
Sure you were - care to look at the GDP you had back then?

We once were self-sufficient, we can do it again.

We could, but we won't. If we did, you can rest assured it would be a disaster that would take decades to even partially repair. We're in a global economy nowadays, and our industries rely heavily upon foreign lands.

And why would the age of a nation matter at all? I could take a part of California over and steal all of the intelligent people away there, and that nation would be the smartest, in spite of being no more than a few days old.
The only people who think that the age of a nation matter are going to be old world types who have nothing else to reccomend their country other than calling everyone else "damn kids."

The point is, this country is full of extremely closed-minded and stupid people, no doubt because it hasn't been around long enough to weather its problems.

It's not fun for the rest of the world when a country full of self-righteous retards thinks they should be the lords and masters of all.

So if America shut down all its foriegn bases, stopped aid to the world and shut down its borders like the presidents before WW2 wanted to do in the first place. Would that make you happy? Without the support of America how much more chaos would result as nations that rely on the US are left without support.
I’m an American and I think we should do that, except for the borders, throw those open.

I have seen in many threads people always bad mouthing the US and speaking rather ignorantly about it. Ignorance is not bliss.

So if America shut down all its foriegn bases, stopped aid to the world and shut down its borders like the presidents before WW2 wanted to do in the first place. Would that make you happy? Without the support of America how much more chaos would result as nations that rely on the US are left without support.

Not everyone in America is an ignorant person. Many of us are learned and intelligent. And the comments you people make are just as close minded and narrow as those in the US by inviduals who are unlearned and ignorant. So everything you accuse the US of being you are just as bad if not worse.

So like I said. If America where to shut down its borders and become self sufficent, which it is capable of being. Would that please you? Would the world economy last without the support of one of the strongest nations in the world?
Normally I am the king of poorly considering senetence length, but the fragmentation of this is too much too bare.

Aside from the point -I now see someone else has raised- the level of prentious filth you are spewing is concerning.

There are very few people who actually hate America itself. However, there are many people who strongly disagree with the attitude and foreign policy of America, at present.

Much as I often disagree with many generalites on this forum and heatedly debate them on points of difference, I do not hate them and often outside of debate get along quite well.

This to, can be said for the current relationship between America and the rest of the world. There is a an active, healthy, dialogue of differing opinion being contested and the important matter to understand is not to lower yourself to racial slander when addressing this.

In example; the French are neither cowards, nor America-haters, but instead are of a differing opinion. Understanding that two nations of differing opinions on some issues can still get along will -in time- help to heal the wounds between America and her friends.

Sometimes friends get along, sometimes friend fight, but the truly intelligent know the importance of keeping friends by your side through the ups and downs.

The point is, this country is full of extremely closed-minded and stupid people, no doubt because it hasn't been around long enough to weather its problems.

It's not fun for the rest of the world when a country full of self-righteous retards thinks they should be the lords and masters of all.
Childish thinking.
Americans didn’t just spring out of the ground, we actually came from other places, believe it or not. Even if you, for whatever reason, want to dismiss the problems this country has had in the past, you can’t dismiss the problems faced by those that immigrated.

-snip-

Well said.

Childish thinking.
Americans didn’t just spring out of the ground, we actually came from other places, believe it or not. Even if you, for whatever reason, want to dismiss the problems this country has had in the past, you can’t dismiss the problems faced by those that immigrated.

Thanks for helping to further my point.

I have seen in many threads people always bad mouthing the US and speaking rather ignorantly about it. Ignorance is not bliss.

So if America shut down all its foriegn bases, stopped aid to the world and shut down its borders like the presidents before WW2 wanted to do in the first place. Would that make you happy? Without the support of America how much more chaos would result as nations that rely on the US are left without support.

Not everyone in America is an ignorant person. Many of us are learned and intelligent. And the comments you people make are just as close minded and narrow as those in the US by inviduals who are unlearned and ignorant. So everything you accuse the US of being you are just as bad if not worse.

So like I said. If America where to shut down its borders and become self sufficent, which it is capable of being. Would that please you? Would the world economy last without the support of one of the strongest nations in the world? AMEN!!!!!
:)

The point is, this country is full of extremely closed-minded and stupid people, no doubt because it hasn't been around long enough to weather its problems.
I don't think it's the age so much as the fact that the US never experienced war.
WWI ended the idea that war is just simply politics by other means, and that God liked any country more than another. I personally think that WWI has done more for the seperation of church and state in Europe than any other event.
WWII finally drove the point home. War is bad period. No more war - it is just not justifiable (at least in Germany...it took France, the UK etc a while longer until they got it - and perhaps the UK still hasn't).

For the US both these wars were adventures overseas about which one can wave a flag and remember a few heroes.

It's not fun for the rest of the world when a country full of self-righteous retards thinks they should be the lords and masters of all.
Retards? You're not doing our argument any good that way.

If America where to shut down its borders and become self sufficent, which it is capable of being.

You'd think with the rise in gas prices lately everyone would realize that the US is not even remotely capable of being entirely self-sufficient.

There are actually a few America haters on this forum. Oceandrive springs to mind. The funny thing is he's an American himself. Overall though, people are just critical of everything, including the USA. Or maybe they just hate our freedom. Yeah, that's it.

And why would the age of a nation matter at all? I could take a part of California over and steal all of the intelligent people away there, and that nation would be the smartest, in spite of being no more than a few days old.
The only people who think that the age of a nation matter are going to be old world types who have nothing else to reccomend their country other than calling everyone else "damn kids."

The age of a nation has nothing to do with innate intelligence of its citizens. It does have a lot to do with how the government is run and how it handles foreign relations. This national maturity is not that of the individual, but that of the country as a whole and its government, which comes with experience.

The point is, this country is full of extremely closed-minded and stupid people, no doubt because it hasn't been around long enough to weather its problems.
Which is neither true, nor does it have anything to do with age. For everyone as self-righteous and condemning as you that America has, there is one person who quietly keeps to themselves and accepts others.
It's not fun for the rest of the world when a country full of self-righteous retards thinks they should be the lords and masters of all.
If the US truly thought itself so high and mighty then we'd have done the right thing and told the UN to get the Hell out and quit paying them money. If we truly were so narcissitic we'd quit wasting cash on foriegn sources and shift all the money going out as aid to a "TVs for Tots" program.
Maybe the rest of the world needs to quit being such a bitch all the time?

I hate these threads :mad:

I don't think it's the age so much as the fact that the US never experienced war.
WWI ended the idea that war is just simply politics by other means, and that God liked any country more than another. I personally think that WWI has done more for the seperation of church and state in Europe than any other event.
WWII finally drive the point home. War is bad period. No more war - it is just not justifiable (at least in Germany...it took France, the UK etc a while longer until they got it - and perhaps the UK still hasn't).

For the US both these wars were adventures overseas about which one can wave a flag and remember a few heroes.


Retards? You're not doing our argument any good that way.

1: True. Remember Vietnam? The two World Wars didn't teach us anything.

2: Maybe not, but when I get pissed off, I get pissed off. That's just how it goes.

I don't think it's the age so much as the fact that the US never experienced war.
WWI ended the idea that war is just simply politics by other means, and that God liked any country more than another. I personally think that WWI has done more for the seperation of church and state in Europe than any other event.
WWII finally drive the point home. War is bad period. No more war - it is just not justifiable (at least in Germany...it took France, the UK etc a while longer until they got it - and perhaps the UK still hasn't).

For the US both these wars were adventures overseas about which one can wave a flag and remember a few heroes.


Retards? You're not doing our argument any good that way.
I personally think a willingness to go to war and to maintain a strong enough military to accomplish that task is important. I'm glad the US is capable of attacking another nation. It is sometimes necessary. Look at Afghanistan.

For the US both these wars were adventures overseas about which one can wave a flag and remember a few heroes.
Those aren’t the only wars that have been fought. More Americans died in the Civil War than any other war. I believe that definitely counts as "experiencing war".
Thanks for helping to further my point.
Have you nothing intelligent to say?

Well said.
Thank you. I imagine msot people are just schocked I seriously addressed the question.

Those aren’t the only wars that have been fought. More Americans died in the Civil War than any other war.

That is so cheating.

Which is neither true, nor does it have anything to do with age. For everyone as self-righteous and condemning as you that America has, there is one person who quietly keeps to themselves and accepts others.

If the US truly thought itself so high and mighty then we'd have done the right thing and told the UN to get the Hell out and quit paying them money. If we truly were so narcissitic we'd quit wasting cash on foriegn sources and shift all the money going out as aid to a "TVs for Tots" program.
Maybe the rest of the world needs to quit being such a bitch all the time?

1: I shall simply laugh at this thinly-veiled flame.

2: We're pretty much doing that to the UN right now, anyway. And the rest of the world wouldn't feel the need to bitch if this country wasn't so intrusive and bad-natured in its foreign policy.

Those aren’t the only wars that have been fought. More Americans died in the Civil War than any other war. I believe that definitely counts as "experiencing war".

Have you nothing intelligent to say?
Yeah, but that was over a hundred years ago. Do you personally know any civil war veterans? There are still plenty of people in Europe who saw WWII first hand.

I personally think a willingness to go to war and to maintain a strong enough military to accomplish that task is important. I'm glad the US is capable of attacking another nation. It is sometimes necessary. Look at Afghanistan.

Maybe after you have two 'total' wars in a generation trundle across your continent, that attitude would change.

Maybe after you have two 'total' wars in a generation trundle across your continent, that attitude would change.
I sincerely hope not. Someone has to be the sword of western civilization. Someone has to keep the barbarians from the gates.

Which is neither true, nor does it have anything to do with age. For everyone as self-righteous and condemning as you that America has, there is one person who quietly keeps to themselves and accepts others.

If the US truly thought itself so high and mighty then we'd have done the right thing and told the UN to get the Hell out and quit paying them money. If we truly were so narcissitic we'd quit wasting cash on foriegn sources and shift all the money going out as aid to a "TVs for Tots" program.
Maybe the rest of the world needs to quit being such a bitch all the time?

Well, there are many justifiable reasons to criticize our government. Now, the people of our country? I've found that no matter where you go, you'll always find self-righteous retards. ;)

Yeah, but that was over a hundred years ago. Do you personally know any civil war veterans? There are still plenty of people in Europe who saw WWII first hand.
Yeah true, but to say that “the US has never experienced war” is ludicrous. Our nation was founded in war. To say that Americans have never expatriated war, would be more accurate.

I personally think a willingness to go to war and to maintain a strong enough military to accomplish that task is important. I'm glad the US is capable of attacking another nation. It is sometimes necessary. Look at Afghanistan.
It is...but the case for attacking Afghanistan actually wasn't that strong either. The UN agreed, so I did - but to me the whole thing sounded a lot like a blind revenge attack.

Anyways, I'd add that the US advocating war is a little like a kid from a really nice home, where there has never been fighting or any kind of bad vibe, a kid from there advocating that beating your wife and kids is a good way to get them in line.

Those aren’t the only wars that have been fought. More Americans died in the Civil War than any other war. I believe that definitely counts as "experiencing war".
This might sound a little harsh...but how many American cities were actually levelled to the ground (and I'm not talking villages)?
How many people actually lived in America at the time, and what kind of percentage is 600,000?
WWI saw that many people die in one battle. The German army made that many prisoners in a single engagement in WWII.
Ultimately war then was still a lot nicer, and for the vast majority of Americans even then, the war was fought far away.

1: I shall simply laugh at this thinly-veiled flame.
I was laughing at your hypocrisy in decrying the ignorance, close mindedness, and self-righeousness of an entire people from a pulpit that apparently prevents you from seeing the real world.
2: We're pretty much doing that to the UN right now, anyway. And the rest of the world wouldn't feel the need to bitch if this country wasn't so intrusive and bad-natured in its foreign policy.
No, we're not. The UN is in New York, which is in the US, which proves that we don't simply tell the rest of the world to fuck themselves all the time.
Now that I think of it, I believe that your age argument explained the people who don't like the US quite naturally. It just isn't fair that the evil mean USians should have sprouted out of nowhere so quickly and now be just as, and sometimes more, powerful then the nations that they came from centuries ago.

EDIT: And I'm not going to argue with you further, because it will simply lead down the road to you threatening me to beat me up and me laughing in disbelief. We've played this game before, and I don't much like it.

I sincerely hope not. Someone has to be the sword of western civilization. Someone has to keep the barbarians from the gates.
Hehehe, barbarians...I do like a bit of Sarcasm in the morning.

Oh, the irony.
ignorantly [r]

1) in ignorance; in an ignorant manner; "they lived ignorantly in their own small world"

You were saying?

Hehehe, barbarians...I do like a bit of Sarcasm in the morning.
Actually I'm serious.

I was laughing at your hypocrisy in decrying the ignorance, close mindedness, and self-righeousness of an entire people from a pulpit that apparently prevents you from seeing the real world.

No, we're not. The UN is in New York, which is in the US, which proves that we don't simply tell the rest of the world to fuck themselves all the time.
Now that I think of it, I believe that your age argument explained the people who don't like the US quite naturally. It just isn't fair that the evil mean USians should have sprouted out of nowhere so quickly and now be just as, and sometimes more, powerful then the nations that they came from centuries ago.

1: Entire people, eh? Go ahead and keep putting words in my mouth --- I feed off bullshit.

2: We don't tell the rest of the world to go fuck themselves all the time, but we do it quite often with some nasty subtlety.

3: Hahaha, funny stuff, dude. :D

ignorantly [r]

1) in ignorance; in an ignorant manner; "they lived ignorantly in their own small world"

You were saying?

Speak for yourself.

Actually I'm serious.
I was afraid of that...I'm going to ignore that little comment, merely making our original poster aware of it, as an example of the kind of thing we complain about.
And I ask you whether you speak ancient Greek by any chance.

It is...but the case for attacking Afghanistan actually wasn't that strong either. The UN agreed, so I did - but to me the whole thing sounded a lot like a blind revenge attack.

Anyways, I'd add that the US advocating war is a little like a kid from a really nice home, where there has never been fighting or any kind of bad vibe, a kid from there advocating that beating your wife and kids is a good way to get them in line.


This might sound a little harsh...but how many American cities were actually levelled to the ground (and I'm not talking villages)?
How many people actually lived in America at the time, and what kind of percentage is 600,000?
WWI saw that many people die in one battle. The German army made that many prisoners in a single engagement in WWII.
Ultimately war then was still a lot nicer, and for the vast majority of Americans even then, the war was fought far away.

Shermans March to the Sea? Burned down every city. The final city was Atlanta which was torched completely. Fredricsburg, small cities in the Carolina's and all over.

In 3 days 50,000 died. That is 72 hours 50,000 died. Picket lost almost his entire brigade marching across an open field. The army of the Potamic devasted in later battles. In the night after Gettysburg the army of the Potamic was one for that night. It did not matter what side you where the injured and the dead where tended to.

And perviously, the US was bathed in blood. From the time we pushed the British off our soil we have fought for everything we have.

Oh there are plenty of American haters here. You don't know how many Americans there are here who hate stuff. Some hate puppies, some hate kittens. Some hate freedom, some hate equality. Some hate rain, some hate the sun. Some hate Bush, some hate Iran. Some hate me, some hate others.

Tonnes of American haters!

Oh there are plenty of American haters here. You don't know how many Americans there are here who hate stuff. Some hate puppies, some hate kittens. Some hate freedom, some hate equality. Some hate rain, some hate the sun. Some hate Bush, some hate Iran. Some hate me, some hate others.

Tonnes of American haters!

*hands you a box of special brownies*

Shermans March to the Sea? Burned down every city. The final city was Atlanta which was torched completely.
You might have to look at the comparison with the various wars of the 20th century then, because to be honest, as horrible as those things are, they absolutely disappear in comparison to what followed in Europe.
And so everyone was nice to each other after the battle? That sounds very 19th century to me...don't think we'll ever see those times again. Remember that video from Falludja where the US Soldiers shoot wounded insurgents trying to crawl away?

And perviously, the US was bathed in blood. From the time we pushed the British off our soil we have fought for everything we have.
Against indigenous people. That hardly counts - and besides, do you actually think that the US learned anything about war from then?
If it had, I would think they'd be a little more hesitant about going to bomb other people's countries. And they'd quit waving their little flags about, because they'd know what that kind of thing leads to.

Oh there are plenty of American haters here. You don't know how many Americans there are here who hate stuff. Some hate puppies, some hate kittens. Some hate freedom, some hate equality. Some hate rain, some hate the sun. Some hate Bush, some hate Iran. Some hate me, some hate others.

Tonnes of American haters!
Stick to subtly undermining people's sense of self worth through pretentious one-liners and leave humour to Fiddlebottom.

1: Entire people, eh? Go ahead and keep putting words in my mouth --- I feed off bullshit.
Well, since the words came from your mouth in the first place, it seemed only fit to put them back. *Ahem*

Potaria- [America] is full of extremely closed-minded and stupid people
Potaria- a country full of self-righteous retards
Potaria- the U.S. is criticised because it's full of itself

Keep it up though, self-denial is sexy.
And now I am done.

Stick to subtly undermining people's sense of self worth through pretentious one-liners and leave humour to Fiddlebottom.

ZING!

*hands you a box of special brownies*

What can I say? I worked hard to learn this bloody language, so native speakers who have failed to do so just irk me.

Nationalism is a bad thing yes. But to imply the US was the only to have ever done it? You are sorely mistaken.

Speak for yourself.
I do and am ... something I usually do quite well, thank you. :)

Well, since the words came from your mouth in the first place, it seemed only fit to put them back. *Ahem*

Potaria- [America] is full of extremely closed-minded and stupid people
Potaria- a country full of self-righteous retards
Potaria- the U.S. is criticised because it's full of itself

Keep it up though, self-denial is sexy.
And now I am done.

...Which are all true, last time I checked. A country may be full of dumbasses, but the other 40% of the population can be pretty good. Did I say all of us were asses? Nope.

And our country is rather full of itself, what with all the "patriotic" displays, flag-wanking, and policing of the world.

Stick to subtly undermining people's sense of self worth through pretentious one-liners and leave humour to Fiddlebottom.

I wasn't going for humour, so you should leave the worthless advice based in analphabetism to Czardas.

I do and am ... something I usually do quite well, thank you. :)

Yeah, but speaking for others isn't one of your strong points.

:)

What a stupid fucking thread.

America wants to dander around being the 'worlds police'?

Expect the world to oppose you.

I wasn't going for humour, so you should leave the worthless advice based in analphabetism to Czardas.

Ooooh, burn.

Nationalism is a bad thing yes. But to imply the US was the only to have ever done it? You are sorely mistaken.
Oh I certainly am not saying that.
I'm saying that not having experienced actual modern warfare and the horrors it spawns is a very big minus when it comes to being able to do what you want when you want.

China is no better really, although they did have total war in their backyard - but I'm not sure they learned from it either.

What a stupid fucking thread.

America wants to dander around being the 'worlds police'?

Expect the world to oppose you.

*hands you a box of special brownies*

I wasn't going for humour, so you should leave the worthless advice to Czardas.
For a man who spends so much of his time criticizing others for a lack of originality this statement strikes me as odd.

That aside, it is refreshing you weren't going for humour because -if you were- you failed.

I consider my advice highly valuable, if you'd consider to take you may look substantially less like a loser.

Yeah, but speaking for others isn't one of your strong points.
Something I try very hard never to do. Unfortunately, the level of ignorance and just plain stupidity on here gets to be more than even I can bear.

For a man who spends so much of his time criticizing others for a lack of originality this statement strikes me as odd.

Are you going for irony here? Because you're just accomplishing an Alanis.

That aside, it is refreshing you weren't going for humour because -if you were- you failed.

Imagine that - I didn't fail at not going for something. Nice to know your posts are as devoid of meaning as always.

I consider my advice highly valuable, if you'd consider to take you may look substantially less like a loser.

You should heed your own advice in the matter, methinks, as looking like a loser seems to be such a chronic state for you.

Are you going for irony here? Because you're just accomplishing an Alanis.

Imagine that - I didn't fail at not going for something. Nice to know your posts are as devoid of meaning as always.

You should heed your own advice in the matter, methinks, as looking like a loser seems to be such a chronic state for you.
Geeze, Fass! Did you and Rotovia- have words before you fell out? :D

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This is amazing, I have never seen to men have a cat-fight before.

I consider my advice highly valuable, if you'd consider to take you may look substantially less like a loser.
You should heed your own advice in the matter, methinks, as looking like a loser seems to be such a chronic state for you.
Calm down you two, lest you forget why we're here in the first place.
Redirect your Aggression! :p

Geeze, Fass! Did you and Rotovia- have words before you fell out? :D

We've never had a "fall in," so this is not surprising. Rotovia- seems to always have some inadequacy to prove.

... our country is rather full of itself, what with all the "patriotic" displays, flag-wanking, and policing of the world.
"Policing of the world?" Hmmm. Perhaps, to a degree. A thankless task at best. As they say, "It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it." It's pretty obvious that most of "the world" is totally incapable of doing it for itself.

*hands you a box of special brownies*
Yay, brownies!

We've never had a "fall in," so this is not surprising. Rotovia- seems to always have some inadequacy to prove.
LOL! Well, there are inadequacies and then there are "inadequacies." Perhaps his is relatively minor. ;)

"Policing of the world?" Hmmm. Perhaps, to a degree. A thankless task at best. As they say, "It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it." It's pretty obvious that most of "the world" is totally incapable of doing it for itself.

Agreed.

It's pretty obvious that most of "the world" is totally incapable of doing it for itself.
Does this sound like a typical "Big Government" argument?
What makes you think that the US is not the reason the world can't get to it...through the UN?

This is amazing, I have never seen to men have a cat-fight before.
Obviously you've not been on NS General very long. :D

Are you going for irony here? Because you're just accomplishing an Alanis.I'm glad to see that perhaps you have some semblence of understanding.

Imagine that - I didn't fail at not going for something. Nice to know your posts are as devoid of meaning as always.So going by your double negative you assume you suceeded at something you were not trying to do? Oh the irony.

You should heed your own advice in the matter, methinks, as looking like a loser seems to be such a chronic state for youI should "Stick to subtly undermining people's sense of self worth through pretentious one-liners and leave humour to Fiddlebottom"...?

LOL! Well, there are inadequacies and then there are "inadequacies." Perhaps his is relatively minor. ;)

Not to go there or anything, heavens, no - the thought sickens even me - but all his over-compensating probably does stem from such a "minuscule" root.

As they say, "It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it."
No they don't.
It's pretty obvious that most of "the world" is totally incapable of doing it for itself.
Then fuck them.

Does this sound like a typical "Big Government" argument?

What makes you think that the US is not the reason the world can't get to it...through the UN?
LOL! The UN? Oh my! The UN is a toothless tiger. They have had a totally free hand in, for example, Africa. What did they do? Rape a score of local virgins, indulge their propensity for corruption and venality, and otherwise generally just sit on their hands. I would trust the UN about as far as I could throw the lot of them, and I'd love to throw them in the East China Sea.

The UN, indeed. Heh!

Not to go there or anything, heavens, no - the thought sickens even me - but all his over-compensating probably does stem from such a "minuscule" root.
ROFLMFAO!!! Fass, you're one of a kind. When they made you, they threw away the mold! :D

So going by your double negative you assume you suceeded at something you were not trying to do? Oh the irony.

There's that analphabetism again, and the dim wit to miss the point of the reciprocal meaninglessness.

I should "Stick to subtly undermining people's sense of self worth through pretentious one-liners and leave humour to Fiddlebottom"...?

Oh, you do leave humour to Fiddlebottom already - thus far is your shortcoming evident. So at least you accomplish one part of it. With diligence, you may manage to accomplish a pale facsimile of the second.

I should "Stick to subtly undermining people's sense of self worth through pretentious one-liners and leave humour to Fiddlebottom"...?

Stick to what you're good at.

Then fuck them.
Qute the Hurculean task that, although I'll try if you like. Um ... can I start with Angelina Jolie? :D

The UN, indeed. Heh!
And bombing the snot out of places is a better idea than reforming the UN because...

The UN is a toothless tiger. They have had a totally free hand in, for example, Africa. What did they do? Rape a score of local virgins
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You take the actions of a few soldiers and equate them with the rest of their organisation?

You would rant and rave at anybody who did the same thing for any US forces who did anything wrong.

Eut, I used to respect you. That was a long time ago. Recently you have shown yourself to be nothing more than a hypocritical old fool.

We've never had a "fall in," so this is not surprising. Rotovia- seems to always have some inadequacy to prove.
Good lord fass, I'd rather die then "fall in" anything with you. Speaking of proving themselves to hide inadequacies, does trying to belittle others actually make you feel better or just leave you empty and hollow inside?

You might have to look at the comparison with the various wars of the 20th century then, because to be honest, as horrible as those things are, they absolutely disappear in comparison to what followed in Europe.
.................
Against indigenous people. That hardly counts - and besides, do you actually think that the US learned anything about war from then?
If it had, I would think they'd be a little more hesitant about going to bomb other people's countries. And they'd quit waving their little flags about, because they'd know what that kind of thing leads to.


As I've read through everyone's posts on this board, I must say that I have been extremely disappointed in not only the level of maturity but also the lack of willingness to compromise viewpoints. I selected this quote, not to pick on you specifically, Neu Leonstein, but to express my outrage that the people of the forum have the NERVE to say that ANY loss of human life is worth less or pales in comparison to other slaughters. Pardon me, but who the heck decides whose life matters more than another? What is the difference between men being slaughtered by the sword or the atomic bomb? Either way, they're both equally dead. I hope you'll forgive me, but human life is one of my soapboxes. So 5,000 died in one. So 500,000 died in another. Do you think that the mothers of these dead soldiers cried any less because more people died? No, they cried because people they loved died. Would _you_ be consoled if your husband or wife were killed? Even if they were the only one? I sincerely doubt you could glean much bereavement from such a thing.

As for people hating America, I must say that it is a blanket statement and rather unfair to those who do not hate the US. In my opinion, every country has the critical eye on them all the time. Granted, some receive less time in the harsh spotlight than others...but they all get it. Asking why some people hate the USA is like asking why some people don't like chocolate. It happens and the only thing we, as Americans, can do is to strive to prove that despite mistakes, we are good people.

Good lord fass, I'd rather die then "fall in" anything with you. Speaking of proving themselves to hide inadequacies, does trying to belittle others actually make you feel better or just leave you empty and hollow inside?

Ask yourself that, as you fail at even a simple belittlement. Tsk, tsk.

What is up with your grammar? Oh, the fragments!

thats so cute.. when you cant bring up a good argument you simply have to insult gramor? you can make fun of mine english is my 3rd spoken tong how many do you speak?

Asking why some people hate the USA is like asking why some people don't like chocolate.

Everyone who hates america is a closet fatty?

Qute the Hurculean task that, although I'll try if you like. Um ... can I start with Angelina Jolie? :D
She’s American, though.:p

There's that analphabetism again, and the dim wit to miss the point of the reciprocal meaninglessness.Fass, you seem to lsot all touch with reality. Are you aware you actually have to build your techniques into your posts and not just hope they are commuted telepathically?

Oh, you do leave humour to Fiddlebottom already - thus far is your shortcoming evident. So at least you accomplish one part of it. It is interesting that you claim I leave humour to Fiddlebottom on one hand and appear to claim I should or wish to do otherwise -with the other. There are many good treatments on the market for bipolarism.

With diligence, you may manage to accomplish a pale facsimile of the secondI assure you that I have no intention of emulating any part of you, good sir. I coulf not bring myself to plunge that far in the cesspit.

NO ONE HATES AMERICA


we disagree with its policies
i was taught english by american teachers, i have american friends, and most of people i know visited the states, we dont like the USA as a nation, but its policies is what we hate....
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

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Very very nice.

Everyone who hates america is a closet fatty?

Heron, though your quip is amusing, I must say that your logic baffles me. It was an analogy. Are you implying, perhaps, that people who like chocolate are 'closet fatties'? :rolleyes: You're silly!

thats so cute.. when you cant bring up a good argument you simply have to insult gramor? you can make fun of mine english is my 3rd spoken tong how many do you speak?

No, I coould make an argument about why some people hate America, but I didn't feel like it.

Although why you're all over me about this I don't know. It's not like it was your grammar I was insulting. I think anyone with English as a first language should be able to manage a far higher degree of competency than that.

And I only speak English. But I would rather speak one well than lots badly (and that is not a reflection on you)

Ask yourself that, as you fail at even a simple belittlement. Tsk, tsk.
Oh I'm sorry Fass, did you mistake my genuine concern for your clearly dwindling mental health for an insult? Are you concerned I'm conspiring with the voices in your head, perhaps?

I selected this quote, not to pick on you specifically, Neu Leonstein, but to express my outrage that the people of the forum have the NERVE to say that ANY loss of human life is worth less or pales in comparison to other slaughters.
If you knew me, you'd know that I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But I think you might have taken it out of context.

The issue was that the American Civil War had a completely different, much weaker effect on the national conscience than the total wars had on Europe. The number of people killed is just one factor in determining that effect - 10% of males in society killed is much less than 40% or much higher as in Serbia in WWI.

No war was ever worse than another. So 5,000 died in one. So 500,000 died in another. Do you think that the mothers of these dead soldiers cried any less because more people died?
I must disagree here though. Ultimately, for every single person it doesn't make a difference, but in aggregate it does!
After the attack in Lebanon, 83 families mourned. That's terrible, but you can't honestly say that that is the same as what happened in 1945 - when pretty much every family in Europe mourned just the same.

Although why you're all over me about this I don't know. It's not like it was your grammar I was insulting. I think anyone with English as a first language should be able to manage a far higher degree of competency than that.

And I only speak English. But I would rather speak one well than lots badly (and that is not a reflection on you)

you must be kidding on this!!!

are you???

Fass, you seem to lsot all touch with reality. Are you aware you actually have to build your techniques into your posts and not just hope they are commuted telepathically?

Aww, remedial reading classes are probably available in Australia.

It is interesting that you claim I leave humour to Fiddlebottom on one hand and appear to claim I should or wish to do otherwise -with the other. There are many good treatments on the market for bipolarism.

Yes, you are quite the confused fellow. Up your lithium!

I assure you that I have no intention of emulating any part of you, good sir. I coulf not bring myself to plunge that far in the cesspit.

Of course not. You've never dragged yourself out of it to manage the plunge.

She’s American, though.:p
So? Gotta start somewhere. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step, Grasshopper. :D

Heron, though your quip is amusing, I must say that your logic baffles me. It was an analogy. Are you implying, perhaps, that people who like chocolate are 'closet fatties'? :rolleyes: Again, amusing.

People who don't like chocolate are closet fatties. They pretend not to like chocolate because they know that once they start eating it they won't be able to stop.

If you knew me, you'd know that I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But I think you might have taken it out of context. The issue was that the American Civil War had a completely different, much weaker effect on the national conscience than the total wars had on Europe. The number of people killed is just one factor in determining that effect - 10% of males in society killed is much less than 40% or much higher as in Serbia in WWI. I must disagree here though. Ultimately, for every single person it doesn't make a difference, but in aggregate it does!
After the attack in Lebanon, 83 families mourned. That's terrible, but you can't honestly say that that is the same as what happened in 1945 - when pretty much every family in Europe mourned just the same.

I do agree with you, Neu. I know that massacres on a large scale are truly more devastating and have a longer lasting effect. I believe I worded my post in a way that made it seem as if I were making them all the same(which is inaccurate of me.)

Fass, you seem to lsot all touch with reality. Are you aware you actually have to build your techniques into your posts and not just hope they are commuted telepathically?
to be honest, I seem to know what he's on about most of the time.

On another note, did your horse win that race? Where's my drink? :p :p

you must be kidding on this!!!

are you???

Kidding about what? How many languages I speak? That I would rather be good at just one than mediocre at many? That I think the first post was appalingly badly written? What?

Aww, remedial reading classes are probably available in Australia.They are, were you looking to attend?

Yes, you are quite the confused fellow. Up your lithium!The fact I need to cover this with you again is quite tiresome; you need to address teh actual point I make and not just throw out a tired insult. Even for you this is a new low.

Of course not. You've never dragged yourself out of it to manage the plungeI could never drag myself out of where I'd like to be to be where I'd like to be? That's just weak.

to be honest, I seem to know what he's on about most of the time. It's amazing how mental retards seem capable of communicating in their won unique way isn't it?* ;)


On another note, did your horse win that race? Where's my drink? :p :pFly over to Aust and it's yours.


*Sorry, you're a casaulty of war.

It's amazing how mental retards seem capable of communicating in their won unique way isn't it?* ;)


*Sorry, you're a casaulty of war.

You bastard :p

Fly over to Aust and it's yours.
That's going to cost more than just popping down the local and getting a pint!

Send me it! ;)

They are, were you looking to attend?

Not really, no, as Swedish pre-school took care of that. I was thinking more for you. I hear great things about programmes directed at the Aboriginals that may suit you.

The fact I need to cover this with you again is quite tiresome; you need to address teh actual point I make and not just throw out a tired insult. Even for you this is a new low.

That's just the thing - the actual points in your posts are iridescent in their own absence.

I could never drag myself out of where I'd like to be to be where I'd like to be? That's just weak.

No, that's just playing along on your failure to make a point. I'm trying to see how long it will take for you to realise that the chimp in the mirror put in front of you is not some other chimp, but you.

Kidding about what? How many languages I speak? That I would rather be good at just one than mediocre at many? That I think the first post was appalingly badly written? What?

you must respect that english might not be his first language, and he has the ability of speaking your language, can you say what he said in HIS language???

Not really, no, as Swedish pre-school took care of that. I was thinking more for you. I hear great things about programmes directed at the Aboriginals that may suit you.
Fass, you know I love you...but that was waaaaay below the belt.

you must respect that english might not be his first language, and he has the ability of speaking your language, can you say what he said in HIS language???

Oh, I see. Well, there is a reason I don't post on any websites in French.

Oh, I see. Well, there is a reason I don't post on any websites in French.

do you really think French websites are as interesting and active as the english ones...

look at how many human being speaks English and compare it to French

if we count them, im pretty sure theyll turn out more then chinese

Fass, you know I love you...but that was waaaaay below the belt.

Huh? Aboriginals in Australia have often been neglected scholastically and there are programmes in place to help them. Did you think I was making a racial comment? Haha, that makes me giggle!

Huh? Aboriginals in Australia have often been neglected scholastically and there are programmes in place to help them. Did you think I was making a racial comment? Haha, that makes me giggle!
Whatever you actually meant, what you typed came across completely differently.

And I'm not saying it because I want to have a go at you, I don't, I'm just saying it because that is very definitely how it read to me.

It's just the way it was written...it very definitely was not good.

do you really think French websites are as interesting and active as the english ones...

look at how many human being speaks English and compare it to French

if we count them, im pretty sure theyll turn out more then chinese

So, are you telling me you don't think the Original Poster has English as a first language? Why would you assume that when he's started a thread specifically to troll everyone who hates America?

Oh yipee! I never get sick of these threads. My points:

1) Potaria: I would suggest moving somewhere else if you hate America so much ("self righteous retards"), but in this country you have the right to be however large an ass that you want. So continue as you will.

2) Fiddlebottoms, Eutrusca, and Free: You are never going to change these people's minds. Stop trying.

3) Europeans: Your constant yipping, much like a small dog at the heals of a man, grows annoying. Actually, it's more saddening than anything. A continent full of former great powers whose own self-loathing brought them down. It's like watching your parents grow old and senile. Very sad indeed.

3) Europeans: Your constant yipping, much like a small dog at the heals of a man, grows annoying. Actually, it's more saddening than anything. A continent full of former great powers whose own self-loathing brought them down. It's like watching your parents grow old and senile. Very sad indeed.

You amuse me, misguided one.

Not really, no, as Swedish pre-school took care of that. I was thinking more for you. I hear great things about programmes directed at the Aboriginals that may suit you.Wow Fass, you've lowered yourself yet again. I fell more notchs and you can successfully argue with toddlers.

That's just the thing - the actual points in your posts are iridescent in their own absence.Again, you fail address the problem of you're somply throwing out a personal attack. This may gain you a cheap thrill, but vastly fails to impress me.

I would attempt a rebuttal of your point, however it would be as dificult as managble a comprehencive argument with soemone who answers every point in a debate with the colour purple.

No, that's just playing along on your failure to make a point. I'm trying to see how long it will take for you to realise that the chimp in the mirror put in front of you is not some other chimp, but youWell given I am looking at your post on not a mirror, I would venture that perhaps you sir, are the chimp to which you refer.

3) Europeans: Your constant yipping, much like a small dog at the heals of a man, grows annoying. Actually, it's more saddening than anything. A continent full of former great powers whose own self-loathing brought them down. It's like watching your parents grow old and senile. Very sad indeed.
I find it more like a parent who has seen and done it all trying to guide a hot headed teenager who, despite the protestations of his parents, seems to think they know best.

i believe Kaelestios is not the thread starter, and i also assumed that english isnt his first language, because a vast majority of English speakers know maximum 2 languages, spanish would be second if your an american(mostly)

All of that said. I'll allow Fass the last word and move for an end to our threadjack.

i believe Kaelestios is not the thread starter, and i also assumed that english isnt his first language, because a vast majority of English speakers know maximum 2 languages, spanish would be second if your an american(mostly)

Quite correct, but if you would care to go back and look my grammar comments were only about the appaling use of punctuation in the first post, because I am disgusted that someone with English as a first language could be that bad at it.

I find it more like a parent who has seen and done it all trying to guide a hot headed teenager who, despite the protestations of his parents, seems to think they know best.
i think i agree with your part more in this argument..

I find it more like a parent who has seen and done it all trying to guide a hot headed teenager who, despite the protestations of his parents, seems to think they know best.

Quite the contrary. Allow me to ask you: Would not some parts of the world be in better shape if they were still under British colonial rule?

It would be really neat if the flame war stopped and people actually started discussing the topic at hand instead of the mental capability of the person of opposing ideals.

I think that many people hate America because America has the tendancy to impose its culture onto everyone else. That is why English is the most learned second language. Ever since it has been created it has taken over places and tried to assimilate the populace. Succeeding in some places, failing in others. Every country has done this, but since America has a tendancy to be always in the news, people focus thier negative energy from this and tack it onto america instead of their justly deserving neighbor.

Also the human race has a tendancy for being stupid. Many people who live along the "cant we all just get along" rout are shot up in the crossfire.

I []may be/[]probably am/[]completely(check box that applies) wrong about this... but.... yeah...

Quite the contrary. Allow me to ask you: Would not some parts of the world be in better shape if they were still under British colonial rule?
Maybe, maybe not. Nobody can say for sure.

In any case, your question has nothing to do with my question.

It would be really neat if the flame war stopped and people actually started discussing the topic at hand instead of the mental capability of the person of opposing ideals.

You want to shut down NSGeneral?:eek: :(

It would be really neat if the flame war stopped and people actually started discussing the topic at hand instead of the mental capability of the person of opposing ideals.
World peace would be nice to, however I strongly do not advice trying to acheive it by wondering onto a battle feild and bitching.

You want to shut down NSGeneral?:eek: :(


lol :D

World peace would be nice to, however I strongly do not advice trying to acheive it by wondering onto a battle feild and bitching.

You mistake me. I am only stating my opinion not complaining. Continue the flaming if you wish, I just implied a wish for it to end.

You mistake me. I am only stating my opinion not complaining. Continue the flaming if you wish, I just implied a wish for it to end.And I implied my wish for world peace, see, common ground?

To all you america haters out there...

We'll blow your planet up!

And I implied my wish for world peace, see, common ground?

I see it was -I- who misunderstood -You-

I appologize.

It would be really neat if the flame war stopped and people actually started discussing the topic at hand instead of the mental capability of the person of opposing ideals.

I think that many people hate America because America has the tendancy to impose its culture onto everyone else. That is why English is the most learned second language. Ever since it has been created it has taken over places and tried to assimilate the populace. Succeeding in some places, failing in others. Every country has done this, but since America has a tendancy to be always in the news, people focus thier negative energy from this and tack it onto america instead of their justly deserving neighbor.

Also the human race has a tendancy for being stupid. Many people who live along the "cant we all just get along" rout are shot up in the crossfire.

I []may be/[]probably am/[]completely(check box that applies) wrong about this... but.... yeah...

i agree for most parts, but the USA didnt impose its culture on the other nations, what happened is a typical scenario for every superpower, it affects other regions and nations, just like the Egyptians, Romans, Persians, Arabs, French and British did, English is the second language for alot of people, because an English superpower has lasted too long, starting from the 1700s with britian and still on with the USA, just like the 1000's, Arabic was the second language in most parts of the civilized world then, because ofcourse the quran(but that affected muslims mainly) and its medical, Science golden age then, Europeans were learning Arabic to translate there medical books...
but it wasnt Imposed on them...

I see it was -I- who misunderstood -You-

I appologize.
Good move. Most people realise the sooner they start agreeing with every I say, the better.

To all you america haters out there...

We'll blow your planet up!

eventually you will, i agree with you... but not for the next century i hope

Maybe, maybe not. Nobody can say for sure.

In any case, your question has nothing to do with my question.

Fair enough.

eventually you will, i agree with you... but not for the next century i hope

You're fairly good at missing the point, aren't you?

Rarely have I witnessed such an amalgamation of misinformed, prejudicial views in my life. The last time I checked, there were some pretty odd things going on in the world in regards to America.

For example, how is it justified to call America the 'big brother' of the world or a 'police nation'---when most of the time countries LOOK to the US for assistance? How many of you are aware that Pakistan attacked the US government for 'not helping' after their recent tragic earthquake because the American government only sent them 150 million dollars?

Perhaps America could stop being a 'police' nation, if other countries stopped calling the cops.

Rarely have I witnessed such an amalgamation of misinformed, prejudicial views in my life. The last time I checked, there were some pretty odd things going on in the world in regards to America.

For example, how is it justified to call America the 'big brother' of the world or a 'police nation'---when most of the time countries LOOK to the US for assistance? How many of you are aware that Pakistan attacked the US government for 'not helping' after their recent tragic earthquake because the American government only sent them 150 million dollars?

Perhaps America could stop being a 'police' nation, if other countries stopped calling the cops.
We shouldn’t have sent anything to the ungrateful bastards.

Rarely have I witnessed such an amalgamation of misinformed, prejudicial views in my life. The last time I checked, there were some pretty odd things going on in the world in regards to America.

For example, how is it justified to call America the 'big brother' of the world or a 'police nation'---when most of the time countries LOOK to the US for assistance? How many of you are aware that Pakistan attacked the US government for 'not helping' after their recent tragic earthquake because the American government only sent them 150 million dollars?

Perhaps America could stop being a 'police' nation, if other countries stopped calling the cops.


im pretty sure pakistanis are gratfull for the 150 million dollars...
and im pretty sure that it couldve payed more to make a big change in the area, specially that the Arab World alone gave the USA over 600 million dollars for Catrina alone...:rolleyes:

but hell arabs are just camels with money humps,:( hey!!

We shouldn’t have sent anything to the ungrateful bastards.

If we had more to send we should have sent it...

Help shouldnt be denied to people who need it just because other people dont understand fully.

im not attacking the US spendings, but im just saying that a few hundred millions from the US safe woudl have made a bigger difference in Pakistan...

but if pakistan really did attack the US gov. i think its rude...

im pretty sure pakistanis are gratfull for the 150 million dollars...
and im pretty sure that it couldve payed more to make a big change in the area, specially that the Arab World alone gave the USA over 600 million dollars for Catrina alone...:rolleyes:

but hell arabs are just camels with money humps,:( hey!!

that's a pretty offensive remark to make...and if the USA received foreign aid at a time of natural disaster, then what's wrong with that? America sends plenty to other nations in the world...

that's a pretty offensive remark to make...and if the USA received foreign aid at a time of natural disaster, then what's wrong with that? America sends plenty to other nations in the world...
i think you either understood me wrong or i expressed my ideas in a wrong way....

the USA is generous in Aid, but only to take something in return, which is good policy, but doesnt help its reputation, as a police on the world, its makes it look more like a Bribed Cop...

anyways like i said previuosly, i have nothing against Americans as citizens, but i strongly disagree with its politics

that's a pretty offensive remark to make...and if the USA received foreign aid at a time of natural disaster, then what's wrong with that? America sends plenty to other nations in the world...
Because no one appears to have mentioned that... while US aid to Pakistan was lauded, and then met with 'Well, we shouldn't even have given them that much'.

If we had more to send we should have sent it...
Why?
Help shouldnt be denied to people who need it just because other people dont understand fully.
You want to help them? Fine, send them all your money. After all, it would be selfish of you to have food and shelter when they don’t. Just stay away from my money.

Oh yipee! I never get sick of these threads. My points:

1) Potaria: I would suggest moving somewhere else if you hate America so much ("self righteous retards"), but in this country you have the right to be however large an ass that you want. So continue as you will.

2) Fiddlebottoms, Eutrusca, and Free: You are never going to change these people's minds. Stop trying.

3) Europeans: Your constant yipping, much like a small dog at the heals of a man, grows annoying. Actually, it's more saddening than anything. A continent full of former great powers whose own self-loathing brought them down. It's like watching your parents grow old and senile. Very sad indeed.

But constantly "yipping" about how everyone hates you, etc etc, is manly and mature. Sounds more like america is "emo" than anything.

i think you either understood me wrong or i expressed my ideas in a wrong way....

the USA is generous in Aid, but only to take something in return, which is good policy, but doesnt help its reputation, as a police on the world, its makes it look more like a Bribed Cop...

anyways like i said previuosly, i have nothing against Americans as citizens, but i strongly disagree with its politics

take something in return? what did the US get from Sri Lanka? Indonesa? I'd really like to know...and American citizens donated a great deal of their personal money towards similar causes. As far as a 'bribed cop', what exactly could these nations bribe the US with? You don't have to like our politics if you choose, but they don't effect you really. Perhaps you shouldn't criticize what you obviously know nothing of.

take something in return? what did the US get from Sri Lanka? Indonesa? I'd really like to know...and American citizens donated a great deal of their personal money towards similar causes. As far as a 'bribed cop', what exactly could these nations bribe the US with? You don't have to like our politics if you choose, but they don't effect you really. Perhaps you shouldn't criticize what you obviously know nothing of.

do you know that the US "DONATeS" 4 billion to egypt, which is almost theamount of money egypt needs to buy american weapons, wheet and corn, same to alot of other countries, i dont think ill have to name each country...

as for american politics doesnt affect me...


hmmm
did you check my location, and my name????

im living in an area where AMERICAN POLITICS AFFECT EVERYTHING

it effects Tourism(which my dad has trouble in, because of the Iraqi war)
it effects education(since the USA made a plane to encourage american education in the middle east and other parts)
it effects science( USA giving Extra money for arab scientists to work in its labs)
it effects our diplomacy(arab-israeli conflict)

do i need to say more???

do you know that the US "DONATeS" 4 billion to egypt, which is almost theamount of money egypt needs to buy american weapons, wheet and corn, same to alot of other countries, i dont think ill have to name each country...


Fucking hell. They give them money to... buy food? America, what the hell is wrong with you?! Why don't you just let the ungrateful bastards starve?!

Z0MG, AhmerCa is teh shi77y 1 LOLOLOLIPOP!11!!

American politics, or American money? Which? Do you think we sit over here in our apple pie and white picket fence world and think of ways to anger the Arabic world? The Arab-Israeli conflict has been going since the second World War in modern politics, and back to the parting of the Red Sea in real terms. Is that our fault? Is it American responsibility for the fact that three major religions were created/founded in the same region of the world and have been fighting for supremacy ever since? No. We came to that conflict a little late.
Tourism. Who are the tourists who spend money in Egypt? American dn European tourists. Education. Who allows American education to infiltrate the Middle East. We certainly don't transport teachers in on tanks. Science. I'm sure that no one in the Arabic world uses the results of American science--you know, cars, airplanes and the like.
When you get right down to it, I'm sure that American politics do effect the Arabic world. But, in the long run, it is the Arabic greed for American dollars that causes the US 'infiltration.'
And yes, I saw your name and where you are from. Unlike you, however, I tend not to judge people on the basis of their nationality, race, or religion. You see, in America, we've learned to be tolerant on such matters. Shame I can't say the same for you.

Fucking hell. They give them money to... buy food? America, what the hell is wrong with you?! Why don't you just let the ungrateful bastards starve?!

Z0MG, AhmerCa is teh shi77y 1 LOLOLOLIPOP!11!!


Because, dear, in America compassion overrides the quest for gratitude.

American politics, or American money? Which? Do you think we sit over here in our apple pie and white picket fence world and think of ways to anger the Arabic world? The Arab-Israeli conflict has been going since the second World War in modern politics, and back to the parting of the Red Sea in real terms. Is that our fault? Is it American responsibility for the fact that three major religions were created/founded in the same region of the world and have been fighting for supremacy ever since? No. We came to that conflict a little late.
Tourism. Who are the tourists who spend money in Egypt? American dn European tourists. Education. Who allows American education to infiltrate the Middle East. We certainly don't transport teachers in on tanks. Science. I'm sure that no one in the Arabic world uses the results of American science--you know, cars, airplanes and the like.
When you get right down to it, I'm sure that American politics do effect the Arabic world. But, in the long run, it is the Arabic greed for American dollars that causes the US 'infiltration.'
And yes, I saw your name and where you are from. Unlike you, however, I tend not to judge people on the basis of their nationality, race, or religion. You see, in America, we've learned to be tolerant on such matters. Shame I can't say the same for you.

*yawn*

*yawn*

I'd be careful of that. ignorance is never bliss.

*yawn*

YAY SPAM!! Seriously, man, what the fuck? If you were going to do that, couldn't you have reduced the previous post to ~~snip~~? Or did I just assume you possessed intellect? I mean, I know I spam a lot, but at least I'm entertaing.

YAY SPAM!! Seriously, man, what the fuck? If you were going to do that, couldn't you have reduced the previous post to ~~snip~~? Or did I just assume you possessed intellect? I mean, I know I spam a lot, but at least I'm entertaing.

*Lies prostrate on the floor*

FORGIVE ME MASTER!!! FORGIVE ME!!

Because, dear, in America compassion overrides the quest for gratitude.

NO!!! I won't listen!! I must follow my inherent European bitchiness and jealous brainwashing!!!

*Lies prostate on the floor*

FORGIVE ME MASTER!!! FORGIVE ME!!

Make the necessary changes and we have a deal.

Make the necessary changes and we have a deal.

Whoa.... might be needing that.....:eek:

NO!!! I won't listen!! I must follow my inherent European bitchiness and jealous brainwashing!!!


LOL--don't do that, Heron--last I checked the Brits were the only ones our gov't listened to. Keep that inherent bitchiness...it'll come in handy the next time that France rolls over and plays dead in a European war.

American politics, or American money? Which? Do you think we sit over here in our apple pie and white picket fence world and think of ways to anger the Arabic world? The Arab-Israeli conflict has been going since the second World War in modern politics, and back to the parting of the Red Sea in real terms. Is that our fault? Is it American responsibility for the fact that three major religions were created/founded in the same region of the world and have been fighting for supremacy ever since? No. We came to that conflict a little late.
Tourism. Who are the tourists who spend money in Egypt? American dn European tourists. Education. Who allows American education to infiltrate the Middle East. We certainly don't transport teachers in on tanks. Science. I'm sure that no one in the Arabic world uses the results of American science--you know, cars, airplanes and the like.
When you get right down to it, I'm sure that American politics do effect the Arabic world. But, in the long run, it is the Arabic greed for American dollars that causes the US 'infiltration.'
And yes, I saw your name and where you are from. Unlike you, however, I tend not to judge people on the basis of their nationality, race, or religion. QUOTE]

to answer all of your points

1-the USA has been known as the biggest supporter for israel
2- most tourists that come from egypt are ranked as following:
British
France
Germany
Russia
Sweden
Japan
Arabs
Americans
3-the american diploma project in the Middle eats under a name of eMiDeast- to encourage the US diploma in our school, 10 schools have opened by the US embassy in our region to promote the idea.
4-i actually dont judge people on where they come from, where did i say that???

i was referring to MY location, and the words RACE, Religion and Nationality havent been mentioned in any of my posts...


[QUOTE=Kaantira]You see, in America, we've learned to be tolerant on such
matters. Shame I can't say the same for you.

i think your the one who sees superiority of nationality
and again i think you are getting missled, im not attcking the USA, i just disagree with how the run there politics, cant i express that???
i thought you learned how to be tolerant ...

Whoa.... might be needing that.....:eek:

Oh, all right then. I'll settle for some e-brownies.

LOL--don't do that, Heron--last I checked the Brits were the only ones our gov't listened to. Keep that inherent bitchiness...it'll come in handy the next time that France rolls over and plays dead in a European war.

LMAO. Fair enough.

3-the american diploma project in the Middle eats under a name of eMiDeast- to encourage the US diploma in our school, 10 schools have opened by the US embassy in our region to promote the idea.

Are you saying that's a bad thing?:confused:

Oh, all right then. I'll settle for some e-brownies.


Dammit :mad: Damn... brownies... won't ... fit... in ...stupid.... slot.....

*(mutters).... stupid computers*

Well, they're a little crumbly now, but its the thought that counts... :p

...and my lack of caring...

to answer all of your points

1-the USA has been known as the biggest supporter for israel
2- most tourists that come from egypt are ranked as following:
British
France
Germany
Russia
Sweden
Japan
Arabs
Americans
3-the american diploma project in the Middle eats under a name of eMiDeast- to encourage the US diploma in our school, 10 schools have opened by the US embassy in our region to promote the idea.
4-i actually dont judge people on where they come from, where did i say that???

i was referring to MY location, and the words RACE, Religion and Nationality havent been mentioned in any of my posts...




i think your the one who sees superiority of nationality
and again i think you are getting missled, im not attcking the USA, i just disagree with how the run there politics, cant i express that???
i thought you learned how to be tolerant ...[/QUOTE]


LOL--I realize you were referring to YOUR location. I'm saying that YOUR location has no effect upon ME. I couldn't care less if you're in Egypt or in Cairo, Kentucky -- the fact of the matter is that your race/religion/creed/nationality/whatthefuckever doesn't phaze me in the slightest. I am tolerant of most things, but not this mindless country bashing. We support Israel. So? Is it your business? No. Not really. Israel just pulled out of the Gaza strip, partially through US pressure on them to give up the occupied lands. You should be happy, shouldn't you? Tourism. Here again, you should be happy if the 'evil' Americans ar that far down the list. Education--when is it ever a bad thing? How many of your students come to the US to complete their educations in our universities? Do we fly over and kidnap them? no. it's their choice, just as it's their choice to study under American auspices when young.

It occurs to me that you're complaining about things that don't seem to have much to do with a 'police state' -- why is that? It doesn't make sense. The long and the short of it is, if you don't want US influences in your life, stay away from them. That tends to work everywhere else. You should give it a try

Are you saying that's a bad thing?:confused:

well that matter especially has several advantages and dis/
disadvatages are that it made several egyptian owned schools broke, and it made the studenst there lose there arab identity, and there Traditions, and look to other social classes that are less then them with bad looks..

while advantages, well american education IS the best in the world,
or was that the IGCSE(british)???:confused:

well that matter especially has several advantages and dis/
disadvatages are that it made several egyptian owned schools broke, and it made the studenst there lose there arab identity, and there Traditions, and look to other social classes that are less then them with bad looks..

while advantages, well american education IS the best in the world,
or was that the IGCSE(british)???:confused:

I find it interesting that while American schools are striving to add cultural influence and comforts for its students in THIS country, you claim that they're doing the direct opposite in YOUR country. LOL--Americans get sued for that kind of stuff.

well that matter especially has several advantages and dis/
disadvatages are that it made several egyptian owned schools broke, and it made the studenst there lose there arab identity, and there Traditions, and look to other social classes that are less then them with bad looks..

while advantages, well american education IS the best in the world,
or was that the IGCSE(british)???:confused:

The main advantage is not from the education received at that level, but from what can be done with it afterwards. American Universities are the best in the world, and it's a lot easier to get into them with a western equivalent qualification.

And your attempt to blame a loss of Arabic cultural values on western education is either

a) a pathetic last ditch attempt to win

b) a shocking and sad testimony to Arabic parenting

c) evidence of the natural strength of western culture

to answer all of your points

1-the USA has been known as the biggest supporter for israel
2- most tourists that come from egypt are ranked as following:
British
France
Germany
Russia
Sweden
Japan
Arabs
Americans
3-the american diploma project in the Middle eats under a name of eMiDeast- to encourage the US diploma in our school, 10 schools have opened by the US embassy in our region to promote the idea.
4-i actually dont judge people on where they come from, where did i say that???

i was referring to MY location, and the words RACE, Religion and Nationality havent been mentioned in any of my posts...




i think your the one who sees superiority of nationality
and again i think you are getting missled, im not attcking the USA, i just disagree with how the run there politics, cant i express that???
i thought you learned how to be tolerant ...


LOL--I realize you were referring to YOUR location. I'm saying that YOUR location has no effect upon ME. I couldn't care less if you're in Egypt or in Cairo, Kentucky -- the fact of the matter is that your race/religion/creed/nationality/whatthefuckever doesn't phaze me in the slightest. I am tolerant of most things, but not this mindless country bashing. We support Israel. So? Is it your business? No. Not really. Israel just pulled out of the Gaza strip, partially through US pressure on them to give up the occupied lands. You should be happy, shouldn't you? Tourism. Here again, you should be happy if the 'evil' Americans ar that far down the list. Education--when is it ever a bad thing? How many of your students come to the US to complete their educations in our universities? Do we fly over and kidnap them? no. it's their choice, just as it's their choice to study under American auspices when young.

It occurs to me that you're complaining about things that don't seem to have much to do with a 'police state' -- why is that? It doesn't make sense. The long and the short of it is, if you don't want US influences in your life, stay away from them. That tends to work everywhere else. You should give it a try[/QUOTE]


good points, but i think you were answering someone else... were did i mention that our students leave our lands to the usa????

and if you dont careless about me being race-religion-orwhatthefuckever, why did you judge that i tend to judge people on nationality /religion etc..???

and you support israel, is it my business, i think thats why this thread is open, for me to say whatever i want, isnt it???

and again you describe americans as "evil", asuming thats how i think, for the zibellionth time, i have nothing against americans, my best friend was an american for gods sack, and i learned english by americans, but im against THE POLICY, are you high or somethin??:headbang:

I am a staunch Libertarian and I agree with the author of this thread for the most part... If it were up to me, America's economy would be a powerhouse and Europe would be a sinking ship. However, one must realize that when European governments spout anti American propoganda, they're doing it for poll numbers. The anti American sentiment that the European nations give off is simply hallow political rhetoric. So my point is, it is politically savy in Europe to mock the big bully that is America despite the fact that America saved them from being eating whole by dictators (twice, I might add). However, it is still my personal belief that we should get away from our intangling alliances with Europe and the rest of the world. I qoute George Washington: "Free trade with all, alliances with none."

LOL--don't do that, Heron--last I checked the Brits were the only ones our gov't listened to. Keep that inherent bitchiness...it'll come in handy the next time that France rolls over and plays dead in a European war.

Like ww1? ww2, where the french lost the battle of france, and continued fighting in africa, in italy, in france, in russia, and in other places? Ohh, rolling over and playing dead means being militarially defeated.

Or did you not mean ww2? Did you mean the balkans conflict, where the french were active? Or the napoleonic wars, where they fought and were only defeated by a large coalition of nations?

When you say the next time, make sure you can support a first time.

good points, but i think you were answering someone else... were did i mention that our students leave our lands to the usa????

and if you dont careless about me being race-religion-orwhatthefuckever, why did you judge that i tend to judge people on nationality /religion etc..???

and you support israel, is it my business, i think thats why this thread is open, for me to say whatever i want, isnt it???

and again you describe americans as "evil", asuming thats how i think, for the zibellionth time, i have nothing against americans, my best friend was an american for gods sack, and i learned english by americans, but im against THE POLICY, are you high or somethin??:headbang:[/QUOTE]


er....no I'm not high, but if I were I might be able to make some sense out of what you just said. let me help you out. I am an American (duh). When you accuse my country of the various crimes you've mentioned, you are judging me...because I came to my homeland's defense. If you could show me one...ONE... policy enacted by the United States that is specifically designed to undermine your nation, I will concede the point completely.

The main advantage is not from the education received at that level, but from what can be done with it afterwards. American Universities are the best in the world, and it's a lot easier to get into them with a western equivalent qualification.

And your attempt to blame a loss of Arabic cultural values on western education is either

a) a pathetic last ditch attempt to win

b) a shocking and sad testimony to Arabic parenting

c) evidence of the natural strength of western culture


i think id go for non of the above..
see, the Arab world is entering a transitional period, if not already in it, in its history, its period is different from any other, due to several reasons, the Arab World always had its powerfull unique culture that affect neighboring areas, just like china affected neighboring areas due to its strong culture, to break this culture down is almost impossible, and will take ages, but you can evolute the new ideas to match it, this is why most american schools in egypt are aliens,
in a typical arab school, girls and boys sit on seperat in the class , while in the american schools, they go swimming with each other ...
you might see this as normal, but again, your traditions, culture and values are totaly different than mine, just like my values etc... are totally different from a person living in japan or korea

im not blamming the usa, im just saying the effects the us educational policy did in my region.

and kaartina, i think it was very rude to describe arabs as money lovers!!!
how would you feel if i have said the same thing about your people???

-snip-
*yawn*

[
and kaartina, i think it was very rude to describe arabs as money lovers!!!
how would you feel if i have said the same thing about your people???[/QUOTE]

actually, it was you who referred to arabs as...let me see if I have this right?...'camels with money humps'

Like ww1? ww2, where the french lost the battle of france, and continued fighting in africa, in italy, in france, in russia, and in other places? Ohh, rolling over and playing dead means being militarially defeated.

Or did you not mean ww2? Did you mean the balkans conflict, where the french were active? Or the napoleonic wars, where they fought and were only defeated by a large coalition of nations?

When you say the next time, make sure you can support a first time.

Not only is your historical knowledge a little weak (Napoleon was on course for victory before the Russian campaign. Had it succeeded, he would have won via the Continental System. As soon as he lost, he was buggered with or without a large coalition of nations. And the bulk of Napoleon's army stopped being French sometime around 1805.) but you also need to learn to take a joke.

Back on the whistle-stop history tour, do the words Vichy-France mean anything to you?

*yawn*


Much better. **returns smashed up e-brownies by way of reward**

Much better. **returns smashed up e-brownies by way of reward**

*bows... picks up prostate off the floor... saunters away....*

er....no I'm not high, but if I were I might be able to make some sense out of what you just said. let me help you out. I am an American (duh). When you accuse my country of the various crimes you've mentioned, you are judging me...because I came to my homeland's defense. If you could show me one...ONE... policy enacted by the United States that is specifically designed to undermine your nation, I will concede the point completely.

like i said this thread is for americans and NON-AMERICANS to say how the see america... and thats how i see it..

GREAT people, with great comedy shows, and best movies, music and everything, but i disagree with there policies 80% of the time...

like the time they declared war on iraq(assuming sadam has Nuclear wepons) i disagreed

the time they destroyed Afghanistan(actually i didnt disagree on that one)*looks at the cealing and smiles*

oh yeah the time they bombed somalia, libya, sudan i totally disagree...etc...

~~snip~~

Here's the thing, though. It isn't possible for a progressive country to isolate its culture any more. Any country that wants to become powerful, on whatever level, really has to look at expanding it's horizons to include some part of the western world.

[
and kaartina, i think it was very rude to describe arabs as money lovers!!!
how would you feel if i have said the same thing about your people???

actually, it was you who referred to arabs as...let me see if I have this right?...'camels with money humps'[/QUOTE]
actually im an arab so it give me the reight to say that , just like you have the right to say whatever you wont on americans..

i cant call americans evil!!

Here's the thing, though. It isn't possible for a progressive country to isolate its culture any more. Any country that wants to become powerful, on whatever level, really has to look at expanding it's horizons to include some part of the western world.

Western world??

im not following you... can you explain that please??

like i said this thread is for americans and NON-AMERICANS to say how the see america... and thats how i see it..

GREAT people, with great comedy shows, and best movies, music and everything, but i disagree with there policies 80% of the time...

like the time they declared war on iraq(assuming sadam has Nuclear wepons) i disagreed

the time they destroyed Afghanistan(actually i didnt disagree on that one)

oh yeah the time they bombed somalia, libya, sudan i totally disagree...etc...

er......nuclear weapons were never mentioned as a cause for the Iraqi war...you're thinking of *weapons of mass destruction*--which is politician-speak for *chemical weapons*...glad you didn't disapprove of afghanistan, I agree...as for somalia and libya--both were instances from the previous presidential administration and both were instances that I disapproved of military action, so I can't argue there. I do not, however, recollect any military action against sudan so I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree.

I still have yet to see a policy specifically designed to undermine your country, so I assume you haven't found one?

I still have yet to see a policy specifically designed to undermine your country, so I assume you haven't found one?

:rolleyes: actually i didnt understand that part, and prefered not to say so, so you wouldnt moke that i know littel english

Here's the thing, though. It isn't possible for a progressive country to isolate its culture any more. Any country that wants to become powerful, on whatever level, really has to look at expanding it's horizons to include some part of the western world.
I'm not sure I understand your premise, and if I do understand your conclusion, I completely disagree.

Sweden is one of the most successful nations on the planet today. The population is much better off than the American population, and their economy is much better.

They have no military influence to speak of, and haven't really been involved in any sort of imperialism since the darkages (and back then it was pretty much expansionit warfare, not real imperialism).

If your argument is true, then how can Sweden be so successful? How can any of the scandinavian countries be successful?

Western world??

im not following you... can you explain that please??

Europe or North America, basically

I'm not sure I understand your premise, and if I do understand your conclusion, I completely disagree.

Sweden is one of the most successful nations on the planet today. The population is much better off than the American population, and their economy is much better.

They have no military influence to speak of, and haven't really been involved in any sort of imperialism since the darkages (and back then it was pretty much expansionit warfare, not real imperialism).

If your argument is true, then how can Sweden be so successful? How can any of the scandinavian countries be successful?

last time I checked, scandinavia was part of the western world. Part of the EU, or NATO? That counts, at least the way I see it.

oh! I'm sorry! *stupid American* that's me! LOL
and your English is very good, btw.

the basic question is: show me one US policy that is meant to be used to cause your country to lose power.

however, it was an assholish question, so feel free to ignore it. :):)

like i said this thread is for americans and NON-AMERICANS to say how the see america... and thats how i see it..


Yes, but there is also a debate element to it, which is where you are now.

oh! I'm sorry! *stupid American* that's me! LOL
and your English is very good, btw.

the basic question is: show me one US policy that is meant to be used to cause your country to lose power.

however, it was an assholish question, so feel free to ignore it. :):)

Attacking Syria, politically so far.
trying to bash syria and lebanon, already did with kuwait and iraq, jordan and palestinians, Algeria and morocco... no wait that was spain...

and i have a question that i ask my self... if the US gov supports dimocracy, and is fighting to save the world, why is it that we have this massive numbers of dictators(not that i agree with a foreign power influencing interior affairs)

last time I checked, scnadinavia was part of the western world. Part of the EU, or NATO? That counts, at least the way I see it.
So are you saying that a successful nation has to be involved in imperialism/piracy/warfare, or simply that it has to be involved in international trade?

Because it's not strictly speaking correct to accuse a country like Sweden or Norway of engaging in imperialism, even though both are longstanding members of NATO. By the way, EU haven't got much to do with the current shape of these countries. Denmark, yes, but not Norway & Sweden (which both have a better economy & higher standard of living, incedentially).

So are you saying that a successful nation has to be involved in imperialism/piracy/warfare, or simply that it has to be involved in international trade?

International trade. Crucially, both economic and scientific/ideas/people related etc.

If you really want to do that, by all means, go ahead. It'd be your loss, primarily.

Hardly anyone thinks all americans are like your current president, but there not all humans are capable of thinking, as you so aptly demonstrate.

Yes, we depend on you. Because the global economy is based on the Dollar. If you guys shut yourself off from the rest of the world, we would most likely switch to the Euro instead. I don't doubt that most of the moneytary interests of the world already wishes we could do that, since frankly, your economic management... ok, that came out wrong.. Economic mismanagement is extraordinary.

You're also the primary cause of armed conflict in the world, and outside the arms industries, noone but you are benefitting from that. It's actually shit for the rest of us, since the result is a lot of lost business opportunities & unstable markets.

No doubt, what you suggest isn't exactly desirable for the rest of the world, but you'd be hard pressed to argue that it's undesirable.

Personally I'd appreciate it if you just stopped murdering everyone & started to make an effort to preserve our biosphere, stop conflicts and so on. You know, acting responsibly, like the world's only superpower ought to.



I'm Sorry but that comment really angers me. Mostly the last part about murders and the such. I'd appreciate it if you realized that every country murders pollutes and abuses the world. So what if we are a large nation, look at other countries like; India or China who have more murders and pollution than us. Oh and about conflicths with other countries? Well as of right now about 70% (or more) of the US disapprove with the war. Plus the government is extremely corrupt, (but I'm sure you knew that since you knowso much about Americans and their beliefs) hense the enditements on top officials. OH and wait, your pissed off cause you can't get in on the arms production? What happened to the acting responsibly, if you wanted to be responsible, try not wanting any involvement like MOST Americans. How could us producing arms affect business for uninvolved countries. I wish we wouldnt invade other countries, but alas we have an extremely weak government.

I'm Sorry but that comment really angers me. Mostly the last part about murders and the such. I'd appreciate it if you realized that every country murders pollutes and abuses the world. So what if we are a large nation, look at other countries like; India or China who have more murders and pollution than us.

I think you misunderstood the point about murders. Seems to me that he was talking about wars like Iraq, not actual murder rates within the US.

Because, dear, in America compassion overrides the quest for gratitude.
There are very few countries for which that is true - namely those that have absolutely no interests overseas in the countries they give aid to...and those are few and far between.
Denmark perhaps, and the other Scandinavian countries...maybe Germany but the recent UNSC bid may disqualify them, Australia perhaps, as long as the money doesn't go to Indonesia, because they certainly have an interest there.

I am a staunch Libertarian and I agree with the author of this thread for the most part... If it were up to me, America's economy would be a powerhouse and Europe would be a sinking ship.
It's a good thing reality doesn't always correspond to ideology! :D

However, one must realize that when European governments spout anti American propoganda, they're doing it for poll numbers. The anti American sentiment that the European nations give off is simply hallow political rhetoric.
Ahem...anti-American propaganda? European Governments? What are you talking about?
Outside Serbia I imagine there is next to nothing you could realistically call anti-American propaganda in Europe.
And in case you're talking about France, I'd like a few quotes, because all the stuff Chirac said was more or less fair game (except maybe the comment about British cooking, but that's not your concern I assume).

So my point is, it is politically savy in Europe to mock the big bully that is America despite the fact that America saved them from being eating whole by dictators (twice, I might add).
No, once - and even then more thanks should go to another dictator, but that's a different story.
WWI was not a "evil dictator fights good democracy"-story. It was a lot more complex than that (and besides, the US involvement in that was somewhat miniscule).

However, it is still my personal belief that we should get away from our intangling alliances with Europe and the rest of the world. I qoute George Washington: "Free trade with all, alliances with none."
That would be nice, but I don't think the ruling elite in the US would do it anytime soon.

Attacking Syria, politically so far.
trying to bash syria and lebanon, already did with kuwait and iraq, jordan and palestinians, Algeria and morocco... no wait that was spain...

and i have a question that i ask my self... if the US gov supports dimocracy, and is fighting to save the world, why is it that we have this massive numbers of dictators(not that i agree with a foreign power influencing interior affairs)


If you're going to point to every US political argument with every country but yours (you are from Egypt, right?) then you're not helping your case. and I'd have an issue with the concept that the US is 'fighting to save the world'. And, if you don't approve of foreign powers influencing interior affairs, then your entire argument about the US supporting dictators is null and void.

TO: Heron-Marked Warriors:
OH well in that case, I completely agree with you. The war in Iraq is one of the most .. dispicable things This country has involved itself in, in a long time..
I hate what has happened, and the misperception of how ignorant we are. Yes, as you can see, I support our country, but by no means do I endorse its every involvement. Looking forward till the 2008 election!

IOh and about conflicths with other countries? Well as of right now about 70% (or more) of the US disapprove with the war. Plus the government is extremely corrupt,

actually its more, but the point is that the started disagreeing on the war after over 37,000 iraqis died and almost 2,000 american soldiers(officially, some say its way over)..
so in one war 40,000 human died for nothing, the USA is the superpower, and as a superpower, wars are eventuall, but i think the US has gone in several wars that had no aim, and no meaning, and was a show of musculs to the rest of the growing world..
which is again a point on why i disagree on american politics

I'm Sorry but that comment really angers me. Mostly the last part about murders and the such. I'd appreciate it if you realized that every country murders pollutes and abuses the world. So what if we are a large nation, look at other countries like; India or China who have more murders and pollution than us. Oh and about conflicths with other countries? Well as of right now about 70% (or more) of the US disapprove with the war. Plus the government is extremely corrupt, (but I'm sure you knew that since you knowso much about Americans and their beliefs) hense the enditements on top officials. OH and wait, your pissed off cause you can't get in on the arms production? What happened to the acting responsibly, if you wanted to be responsible, try not wanting any involvement like MOST Americans. How could us producing arms affect business for uninvolved countries. I wish we wouldnt invade other countries, but alas we have an extremely weak government.
Did it anger you? Did it anger you enough to look at your nations role in geopolitics? I truely hope it did. Because other than vastly understating the impact of American isolation, the things I wrote are true.

Do you think it doesn't anger me? Do you think that other nations, such as for example Britain, India, Pakistan & China, doesn't infuriate me? If you do, you couldn't be more wrong.

But America is the most important player in the world. Overwhelmingly so. America determines the outcome of all conflicts on the globe today, if they care - and they always do, it seems.
Sadly, this staggering power is weilded by a handful of raving lunatics, who care nothing for the world or it's inhabitants. They don't even appear to care about their own citizens...

I am not saying my country would do a better job or it, or be any less a bunch of murdering swine. Thankfully we're not in a position to find out, and I say thankfully, because I suspect we'd be even worse.

Does the fact that your nation controls everyone's fate, and that my nation would act no more sane in that position, automatically take away my right to voice my dissent?

If you think so, then I urge you to go headbutt a moving train. If not, then I fail to see why you object to me critisizing something that is obviously horrendous.

actually its more, but the point is that the started disagreeing on the war after over 37,000 iraqis died and almost 2,000 american soldiers(officially, some say its way over)..
so in one war 40,000 human died for nothing, the USA is the superpower, and as a superpower, wars are eventuall, but i think the US has gone in several wars that had no aim, and no meaning, and was a show of musculs to the rest of the growing world..
which is again a point on why i disagree on american politics


ABSOLUTELY TRUE! I could not agree with you more... Its time fore change, and unfortuneatly it isn't happening soon.

actually its more, but the point is that the started disagreeing on the war after over 37,000 iraqis died and almost 2,000 american soldiers(officially, some say its way over)..
so in one war 40,000 human died for nothing, the USA is the superpower, and as a superpower, wars are eventuall, but i think the US has gone in several wars that had no aim, and no meaning, and was a show of musculs to the rest of the growing world..
which is again a point on why i disagree on american politics

"Several wars"? I can think of two you might be referring to (Afghanistan and Iraq), of which one (Afghanistan) was most certainly justified.

Am I forgetting a few?

If you're going to point to every US political argument with every country but yours (you are from Egypt, right?) then you're not helping your case. and I'd have an issue with the concept that the US is 'fighting to save the world'. And, if you don't approve of foreign powers influencing interior affairs, then your entire argument about the US supporting dictators is null and void.

again, i, like most arabs in this game, or any other cultural chat, faces, im an egyptian, but egyptians view themselves as arabs, only there leaders seeking power and dont want to unite, its like you being american from california, its excactly the same, im an arab from egypt...
only that we are too lazy to overthrow the rulers (that almost no arab citizen like) and Unite under a united arab..
this is the Arab Dream...
seriuosly, just like the American dream, European Dream, the arab dream is unity for the 22 members of the arab league. so when you refer to my country i automaticaly think of the arab states, rather then egypt alone

Did it anger you? Did it anger you enough to look at your nations role in geopolitics? I truely hope it did. Because other than vastly understating the impact of American isolation, the things I wrote are true.

Do you think it doesn't anger me? Do you think that other nations, such as for example Britain, India, Pakistan & China, doesn't infuriate me? If you do, you couldn't be more wrong.

But America is the most important player in the world. Overwhelmingly so. America determines the outcome of all conflicts on the globe today, if they care - and they always do, it seems.
Sadly, this staggering power is weilded by a handful of raving lunatics, who care nothing for the world or it's inhabitants. They don't even appear to care about their own citizens...

I am not saying my country would do a better job or it, or be any less a bunch of murdering swine. Thankfully we're not in a position to find out, and I say thankfully, because I suspect we'd be even worse.

Does the fact that your nation controls everyone's fate, and that my nation would act no more sane in that position, automatically take away my right to voice my dissent?

If you think so, then I urge you to go headbutt a moving train. If not, then I fail to see why you object to me critisizing something that is obviously horrendous.


wow. perhaps you should try to sell this load of horseshit you're lugging around...make some environmentally safe fertilizer for industrialized countries to use; my nation doesn't control MY fate, and if you let a foreign government have that effect on you then you need to find a life, my friend.

Did it anger you? Did it anger you enough to look at your nations role in geopolitics? I truely hope it did. Because other than vastly understating the impact of American isolation, the things I wrote are true.

Do you think it doesn't anger me? Do you think that other nations, such as for example Britain, India, Pakistan & China, doesn't infuriate me? If you do, you couldn't be more wrong.

But America is the most important player in the world. Overwhelmingly so. America determines the outcome of all conflicts on the globe today, if they care - and they always do, it seems.
Sadly, this staggering power is weilded by a handful of raving lunatics, who care nothing for the world or it's inhabitants. They don't even appear to care about their own citizens...

I am not saying my country would do a better job or it, or be any less a bunch of murdering swine. Thankfully we're not in a position to find out, and I say thankfully, because I suspect we'd be even worse.

Does the fact that your nation controls everyone's fate, and that my nation would act no more sane in that position, automatically take away my right to voice my dissent?

If you think so, then I urge you to go headbutt a moving train. If not, then I fail to see why you object to me critisizing something that is obviously horrendous.


I like the contradiction, you say that our country is terrible, but your country would do the same thing in our position.. YES i konw about our coutnry and much about it, i happen to be a history and politicl history major. Regardless of that fact, Your opinion is valid, as is mine. So maybe I won't head butt that train..

"Several wars"? I can think of two you might be referring to (Afghanistan and Iraq), of which one (Afghanistan) was most certainly justified.

Am I forgetting a few?
actually you are
Vietnam, Korea, Somalia,

Thank god I don't major in English/Lit that last post was terrible.

again, i, like most arabs in this game, or any other cultural chat, faces, im an egyptian, but egyptians view themselves as arabs, only there leaders seeking power and dont want to unite, its like you being american from california, its excactly the same, im an arab from egypt...
only that we are too lazy to overthrow the rulers (that almost no arab citizen like) and Unite under a united arab..
this is the Arab Dream...
seriuosly, just like the American dream, European Dream, the arab dream is unity for the 22 members of the arab league. so when you refer to my country i automaticaly think of the arab states, rather then egypt alone


Technically, the American dream is a wife/husband, 2.5 kids, a ranch home with a white picket fence and a collie, but I'm going to let that slide. It was a nice analogy, and I give credit where credit is due.

I find it hard to believe that the 22 arab states want to unite. There are too many fundamental differences between them. I don't doubt that there is a SECTION of the Arab world who hopes for that--and I think it would be great if it happened. However, in the broad spectrum of poitical reality, I don't think it is a viable option. I can't see how those factions will unite. Add to that the fact that Israel is right in the middle and not going anywhere, and I'd venture to guess that arabic unity will remain a dream. I hope I'm wrong.

actually you are
Vietnam, Korea, Somalia,


oh. so we're being held accountable for every war after WWII? isn't that just nice. oh, btw, somalia wasn't a WAR. Vietnam and Korea, yea, and my dad fought in both of them, but Somalia was nowhere near 'war' status

actually you are
Vietnam, Korea, Somalia,

Holy Mary mother of God, you have got to be shitting me.

Somalia I will confess to knowing little about. Pretty sure the UN was there, though, and that it wasn't really a war. Weren't the soldiers trying to re-establish good food supplies?

For both Vietnam and Korea, they were asked to go. Asked.

Korea was a UN effort, primarily lead by the USA, but still UN.

Vietnam was fought under the belief in the Domino Theory. Right or wrong, it doesn't matter. Vietnam most certainly was not a simple flexing of muscles for the USA. They were trying to stop the spread of Communism. I trust you have at least enough historical knowledge to appreciate the deep scars left across Russia and Eastern Europe by Communism.

So, I really think you should think this shit through before you run your mouth, but that might involve you leaving your anti-America propaganda pamphlets at home, so I won't hold my breath.

oh. so we're being held accountable for every war after WWII? isn't that just nice. oh, btw, somalia wasn't a WAR. Vietnam and Korea, yea, and my dad fought in both of them, but Somalia was nowhere near 'war' status
what i meant is use of power...
vietname, was a body building tournament for the USA to show its power to the USSR, same as Korea, but we both know how that turned out...

somalia was, to let the world know that the USA is still capable of kicking anyones ass, the gulfwars same idea..

Holy Mary mother of God, you have got to be shitting me.

Somalia I will confess to knowing little about. Pretty sure the UN was there, though, and that it wasn't really a war. Weren't the soldiers trying to re-establish good food supplies?

For both Vietnam and Korea, they were asked to go. Asked.

Korea was a UN effort, primarily lead by the USA, but still UN.

Vietnam was fought under the belief in the Domino Theory. Right or wrong, it doesn't matter. Vietnam most certainly was not a simple flexing of muscles for the USA. They were trying to stop the spread of Communism. I trust you have at least enough historical knowledge to appreciate the deep scars left across Russia and Eastern Europe by Communism.

So, I really think you should think this shit through before you run your mouth, but that might involve you leaving your anti-America propaganda pamphlets at home, so I won't hold my breath.

regardless of the reason, what happened is exchange of fire by both sides..

[QUOTE=Heron-Marked Warriors]Holy Mary mother of God, you have got to be shitting me.

Somalia I will confess to knowing little about. Pretty sure the UN was there, though, and that it wasn't really a war. Weren't the soldiers trying to re-establish good food supplies?

For both Vietnam and Korea, they were asked to go. Asked.


Somalia was a peacekeeping effort by the UN--US troops were involved, and several died. you are correct.

OH, but wait--let me guess--the UN is a US puppet, right? (I think that's where this argument goes next)

*sits back and waits for the inevitable*

my nation doesn't control MY fate, and if you let a foreign government have that effect on you then you need to find a life, my friend.
If your country decides to start a trade embargo on my country, the entire population of my country, including me, will be in deep shit. You've done it before for (as far as I recall) 5 weeks, and it was devastating. How's that for control?
By the way, don't assume I'm your friend.

@ Retarded Midgets, sorry. Seems both of our angry rants here was based on a misunderstanding. I did indeed mean to imply atrocities such as Timor & Iraq when I said "murder".

oh. so we're being held accountable for every war after WWII? isn't that just nice. oh, btw, somalia wasn't a WAR. Vietnam and Korea, yea, and my dad fought in both of them, but Somalia was nowhere near 'war' status
But "war" or not, don't forget Nicaragua and Panama. And then there was the invasion of Grenada - that was even more obvious.
There's plenty of little things, and whether or not the US Government considered them justified at the time isn't exactly important for our analysis now.

regardless of the reason, what happened is exchange of fire by both sides..

Right, thanks for that. Now, welcome to Proffesor Heron's NSGeneral 101: How not to sound retarded.

Try and remember things you've said in the past. Try and maintain a single train of thought across multiple posts. So when you say:

i think the US has gone in several wars that had no aim, and no meaning, and was a show of musculs to the rest of the growing world.

In one post, and I follow that with the question

Am I forgetting a few?

And you tell me that I am forgetting Vietnam, Korea and Somalia, you are saying that Vietnam, Korea and Somalia were

wars that had no aim, and no meaning, and was a show of musculs to the rest of the growing world.

Okay?

what i meant is use of power...
vietname, was a body building tournament for the USA to show its power to the USSR, same as Korea, but we both know how that turned out...

somalia was, to let the world know that the USA is still capable of kicking anyones ass, the gulfwars same idea..


Oh is that how it is? Perhaps the history of Vietnam might intrigue you...you know, how it was originally held bythe French government, who bailed as soon as American soldiers started showing up? How the major communist threat in the region was not Russia, but China? Oh, and what a fabulous body building tournament that was for our country...proved a lot, didn't it?
And Somalia...yeah. If the US wanted to prove they could kick anyone's ass, Somalia is the first place they'd think of going.

Perhaps some classes in logic might be helpful. You seem to be missing all semblance of it.

Technically, the American dream is a wife/husband, 2.5 kids, a ranch home with a white picket fence and a collie, but I'm going to let that slide. It was a nice analogy, and I give credit where credit is due.

I find it hard to believe that the 22 arab states want to unite. There are too many fundamental differences between them. I don't doubt that there is a SECTION of the Arab world who hopes for that--and I think it would be great if it happened. However, in the broad spectrum of poitical reality, I don't think it is a viable option. I can't see how those factions will unite. Add to that the fact that Israel is right in the middle and not going anywhere, and I'd venture to guess that arabic unity will remain a dream. I hope I'm wrong.

actually a poll is held out annually, 2 years ago, i think it was 70% wanting arab unity in all 22 members

including
algeria, bahrein, comoros, djibouti, egypt, jorda, iraq, kuwait, lebanon, libya, mauritania, morocco, oman, palestine, qatar, saudi arabia, somalia, sudan, syria, tunis, UAE, and yemen
last year wa 72% and this year are assuming to jumpp to 75%, due to the talking of making a free trade zone between all 22 members, that would compeet with NAFTA etc..

several projects are also under way to connect both sides of the arab world, like a bridge is bieng planned to be built to connect the arabian peninsul(containig 12 member nations) with african arab states, passing away from israel...
and another project between Djibouti and yemen at bab al mandab

we also have several united organizations...
and discussing to make a united Islamic ifta(the place where islamic law is made) and others.

so its a pretty high rate

Oh is that how it is? Perhaps the history of Vietnam might intrigue you...you know, how it was originally held bythe French government, who bailed as soon as American soldiers started showing up? How the major communist threat in the region was not Russia, but China? Oh, and what a fabulous body building tournament that was for our country...proved a lot, didn't it?
And Somalia...yeah. If the US wanted to prove they could kick anyone's ass, Somalia is the first place they'd think of going.

Perhaps some classes in logic might be helpful. You seem to be missing all semblance of it.

thanks for this little "tahzee2"

i blame somalia on missplanning
as for vietnam... do you really agree on that???

actually a poll is held out annually, 2 years ago, i think it was 70% wanting arab unity in all 22 members

last year wa 72% and this year are assuming to jumpp to 75%, due to the talking of making a free trade zone between all 22 members, that would compeet with NAFTA etc..

any chance of a source? or a link to somewhere?

thanks for this little "tahzee2"

i blame somalia on missplanning
as for vietnam... do you really agree on that???


My father served two tours in Vietnam as an NCO with the 101st Airborne. I wouldn't dare to shame his memory or his service by casting aspersions on what he was asked to do. It haunted him all his life, and consequently mine, but he would rise from his grave if I ever denied him the honor he was due.

any chance of a source? or a link to somewhere?
If it's any consolation, I read something about that & both the time & numbers sounds fairly accurate.

thanks for this little "tahzee2"

i blame somalia on missplanning
as for vietnam... do you really agree on that???

Are you disputing the basic facts of the Vietnam War? Dien Bien Phu never happened, I suppose. And the Tet Offensive wasn't a major embarrassment for the US? Perhaps they didn't get so pissed off with their inability to win a jungle war that they bombed the crap out of the Ho Chi Minh trail to try and cut the Viet Cong supply lines? Maybe it hasn't scarred the american psyche into producing masses of anti war demonstrations and media?

Whoops, my bad.

If your country decides to start a trade embargo on my country, the entire population of my country, including me, will be in deep shit. You've done it before for (as far as I recall) 5 weeks, and it was devastating. How's that for control?
By the way, don't assume I'm your friend.

@ Retarded Midgets, sorry. Seems both of our angry rants here was based on a misunderstanding. I did indeed mean to imply atrocities such as Timor & Iraq when I said "murder".


Have no fear, I don't assume anyone is my friend. It was a figure of speech--you do have those, right???

And a trade embargo??? wtf??? don't you think we have bigger things to do than to keep you guys from getting Pringles and Oreos and Nike tennis shoes? Jesus Christ! If you don't want to be dependent on American goods, stop freaking buying them! It's not brain surgery.

If it's any consolation, I read something about that & both the time & numbers sounds fairly accurate.

I'm just a little surprised, but I'll take your word that the spirit is right, at least.

Not everyone in America is an ignorant person.

Appearantly this chap is one of those ignorant persons.

My father served two tours in Vietnam as an NCO with the 101st Airborne. I wouldn't dare to shame his memory or his service by casting aspersions on what he was asked to do. It haunted him all his life, and consequently mine, but he would rise from his grave if I ever denied him the honor he was due.
That sounds mighty mystical...

But don't you think it is possible to criticise the politics of a war without "shaming" the people who have to go and murder other people for those politics?
Why does every American one wants to talk to about a war suddenly pull out the "don't dishonour the soldiers" card?

Right, thanks for that. Now, welcome to Proffesor Heron's NSGeneral 101: How not to sound retarded.

Try and remember things you've said in the past. Try and maintain a single train of thought across multiple posts. So when you say:



In one post, and I follow that with the question



And you tell me that I am forgetting Vietnam, Korea and Somalia, you are saying that Vietnam, Korea and Somalia were



Okay?


first of all, you have NO right calling me retarded...

you try explaining your ideas in your third language.. and well see how ill understand, im sure youll be saying something about your nose...

what i was refering to is the following:

USA(united states of america) went into several wars that had no meaning (i mean by that, these countries didnt attack USA(united states of america))
and when i say a war i mean( any fire between both sides, in arabic is called a war, what do you call it, teach me)
*humph*

and i dont think i can get sources, since they are published on the daily Newspapers, maybe on there official site i can find some, ill check it out, ill contact you soon, when i find some.

That sounds mighty mystical...

But don't you think it is possible to criticise the politics of a war without "shaming" the people who have to go and murder other people for those politics?
Why does every American one wants to talk to about a war suddenly pull out the "don't dishonour the soldiers" card?
im not dishonoring your dad

Soldiers are zillionth time braver then me, and i give them my greatest respect, but im discussing the Politicians desision, for sending your dad to vietname, and others to korea and other wars..

I have seen in many threads people always bad mouthing the US and speaking rather ignorantly about it. Ignorance is not bliss.

So if America shut down all its foriegn bases, stopped aid to the world and shut down its borders like the presidents before WW2 wanted to do in the first place. Would that make you happy? Without the support of America how much more chaos would result as nations that rely on the US are left without support.

Not everyone in America is an ignorant person. Many of us are learned and intelligent. And the comments you people make are just as close minded and narrow as those in the US by inviduals who are unlearned and ignorant. So everything you accuse the US of being you are just as bad if not worse.

So like I said. If America where to shut down its borders and become self sufficent, which it is capable of being. Would that please you? Would the world economy last without the support of one of the strongest nations in the world?

1. america is not self-sufficient. to say that means you're an idiot. if america CAN be self-sufficient, why the iraq war? why is half of the western coast of the states powered by british columbia? why do you buy fresh water from canada? america relies on the world just as much as the world relies on the us.

2. not everyone in america is ignorant. and not everyone in the world hates america.

3. i think america is pretty chaotic already. let the un resolve international crises.

first of all, you have NO right calling me retarded...

I said you were sounding retarded, not that you were retarded.


you try explaining your ideas in your third language.. and well see how ill understand, im sure youll be saying something about your nose...

We've covered this.

what i was refering to is the following:

USA(united states of america) went into several wars that had no meaning (i mean by that, these countries didnt attack USA(united states of america))
and when i say a war i mean( any fire between both sides, in arabic is called a war, what do you call it, teach me)
*humph*

Yes, those would be wars. But I seriously think you need to study the politics and history of the Cold War before you try arguing that the USA's involvement in Korea and Vietnam was pointless or a simple display or military might.

and i dont think i can get sources, since they are published on the daily Newspapers, maybe on there official site i can find some, ill check it out, ill contact you soon, when i find some.

That'd be good, but don't worry about it since someone else is backing you up.

1. america is not self-sufficient. to say that means you're an idiot. if america CAN be self-sufficient, why the iraq war? why is half of the western coast of the states powered by british columbia? why do you buy fresh water from canada? america relies on the world just as much as the world relies on the us.

2. not everyone in america is ignorant. and not everyone in the world hates america.

3. i think america is pretty chaotic already. let the un resolve international crises.

im guessing your canadina, anyway just wanted to say ,:) :) i agree with you

1. america is not self-sufficient. to say that means you're an idiot. if america CAN be self-sufficient, why the iraq war? why is half of the western coast of the states powered by british columbia? why do you buy fresh water from canada? america relies on the world just as much as the world relies on the us.

This was covered earlier. Why don't people read the whole thread before posting?

America needs the rest of the world to maintain present living conditions. It does not need the rest of the world in order to exist.

That sounds mighty mystical...

But don't you think it is possible to criticise the politics of a war without "shaming" the people who have to go and murder other people for those politics?
Why does every American one wants to talk to about a war suddenly pull out the "don't dishonour the soldiers" card?


*murder* other people???? I suppose that every soldier fighting in the trenches of every war is a murderer now, right? does that include WWII? how about WWI? It's very easy to call someone a murderer, isn't it? Certainly not as difficult as, say, empathy? Sympathy? Understanding? I don't dishonor my father's memory, not for me, not for Heron, and especially not for you. I CHOOSE to remain silent on the Vietnam War, and quite frankly that's none of your damn business. I can be as mystical as I like.
And you can either live with it, or you can die with it--either way it doesn't effect me at all.

BTW, by your alleged 'card', I suppose all of the Germans and Austrailians who fought in WWII were murderers as well? Should be careful what you say...

Have no fear, I don't assume anyone is my friend. It was a figure of speech--you do have those, right???

And a trade embargo??? wtf??? don't you think we have bigger things to do than to keep you guys from getting Pringles and Oreos and Nike tennis shoes? Jesus Christ! If you don't want to be dependent on American goods, stop freaking buying them! It's not brain surgery.
Actually, primary reason such shit can devastate an economy is that you won't buy our goods. Sadly it's not possible for your average EU country to cut itself off from the American market without suffering devastating losses. But forget about it. Isn't important in this debate.

I do get that you for some reason believe I'm retarded, have no grasp on geopolitics & that my arguments are horseshit. Not to worry though, the feeling is mutual. I chose to pick up on your use of the word "friend" because it was such a poor attempt at sarcasm, nothing more.

Now lay off it, or I'll start addressing you as shithead ;)

This was covered earlier. Why don't people read the whole thread before posting?

America needs the rest of the world to maintain present living conditions. It does not need the rest of the world in order to exist.

who does!!!

who does!!!

Nobody. That isn't the point. The point is that America could, at least before the recent hurricanes (not so sure about now) quite easily become self sufficient.

Nobody. That isn't the point. The point is that America could, at least before the recent hurricanes (not so sure about now) quite easily become self sufficient.
Quite easily? Honestly, I doubt any Americans would be willing to put up with the massive decrease in living standards. Self sufficiency just isn't feasible for any 1st world countries today.

Nobody. That isn't the point. The point is that America could, at least before the recent hurricanes (not so sure about now) quite easily become self sufficient.

Self-sufficient meaning what? No imports, no exports? No immigration, no emigration? No participation in international orgs? Sounds pretty drastic.

Do you mean self-sufficient within its current boundaries?

Nobody. That isn't the point. The point is that America could, at least before the recent hurricanes (not so sure about now) quite easily become self sufficient.

ok...
when i was saying who doesnt, i didnt put ??, infact i used the upside down i !!, meaning, anyone can survive without the world...
USA did it in the early 1900s' i belive so did China in the mid-ages, and so did Egypt when there was no other civilization to survive with...
and they all grew and survived,

and so did Egypt when there was no other civilization to survive with...
Actually, they had quite a bit of trade with the Hittites and the Assyrians and later the Greeks and Persians. Not to mention, the Nubians.

Self-sufficient meaning what? No imports, no exports? No immigration, no emigration? No participation in international orgs? Sounds pretty drastic.

Do you mean self-sufficient within its current boundaries?

Yes to all of those. And yes it does. I don't think it ever will happen, but I do believe that it could.

*murder* other people????
One person kills another person. Everything further than that is an interpretation, and as such totally subjective.

I suppose that every soldier fighting in the trenches of every war is a murderer now, right? does that include WWII? how about WWI?
Yes. Although a murderer is usually assumed to be doing something because he wants to, while a soldier does not have that choice. He's not a murderer in the sense that he should be punished, but he is one in the sense that he kills other people.
Maybe "Killer" is a better word?

BTW, by your alleged 'card', I suppose all of the Germans and Austrailians who fought in WWII were murderers as well? Should be careful what you say...
You're underestimating my convictions. Just because my grandfather fought and got wounded in Stalingrad, or my father was in the military with the anti-air brigades in the first line in case the Soviets attacked, does not mean that I put down my beliefs.
Killing someone is wrong, no matter what the circumstances. You may weaken the guilt in a case like war or self-defence, but ultimately a killing remains a killing.

Most soldiers are not heroes anymore than you and me.

Actually, they had quite a bit of trade with the Hittites and the Assyrians and later the Greeks and Persians.
actually i was talking about ancient kingdome in ancient egypt, some 7000 years ago, before the persian, greeks, hitties, phonecians, assyrians knew how to build houses... and not to mention Nubians:D
lets not forget that the first civilization on earth was egypt, then babylonia(iraq), indus(india) and china, then civilizations started with the contact of the Pharonic and babylonian civilizations. and spread like a flu:D

Most soldiers are not heroes anymore than you and me.

So which ones are? the ones that don't kill people?