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Ladies and gents, it appears that them be fightin' words that the parties are throwing arround. Good grief, I can't believe the tension over the investigation of causes for the Iraq has escalated into this (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/01/senate.iraq.ap/index.html)

Ladies and gents, it appears that them be fightin' words that the parties are throwing arround. Good grief, I can't believe the tension over the investigation of causes for the Iraq has escalated into this (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/01/senate.iraq.ap/index.html)

hehe, bill frist said he'd been slapped in the face....:D

well anyway. the democrats are wrong for wanting to cover this up from the public. these things ought to be open for people to see what is going on. and from what i see they did have an unofficial bi-partisan agreement that they wouldn't do this without consulting each other.

Ladies and gents, it appears that them be fightin' words that the parties are throwing arround. Good grief, I can't believe the tension over the investigation of causes for the Iraq has escalated into this (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/01/senate.iraq.ap/index.html)
I've never heard about closed sessions before (I don't think the British Parliament has such a thing). Aren't they a little anti-democratic?

I've never heard about closed sessions before (I don't think the British Parliament has such a thing). Aren't they a little anti-democratic?
i never heard of them either, i just did a bit of fast learning.

I've never heard about closed sessions before (I don't think the British Parliament has such a thing). Aren't they a little anti-democratic?No more so than the notion of Classified documents.

So the evidence was strong enough for the democrats to happily go along with when asked if they should go to war, but not now. I wonder if this has anything to do with popular opinion?

I've never heard about closed sessions before (I don't think the British Parliament has such a thing). Aren't they a little anti-democratic?

It's really only un-Democratic if some big important decision is made. And I'm afraid a bunch of Dems getting a into hissy-fit about the non-crime of the century doesn't qualify.

My new slogan.

"Politicians, because children are just too mature."

My new slogan.

"Politicians, because children are just too mature."

can i change it to be "Left-wingers, because children are just too mature."?

So the evidence was strong enough for the democrats to happily go along with when asked if they should go to war, but not now.

When were they asked that? I seem to recall Democrats voting to forfeit War Powers in November of 2002, before realizing that Bush should not be entrusted with that kind of power.

The problem right now is that the Republican-controlled Senate doesn't want to get to the bottom of what went wrong with the Iraq War. No investigations means nobody gets in trouble for whatever colossal screwups occured.

can i change it to be "Left-wingers, because children are just too mature."?

ARGH!

OH MY GOD.

I swear if I hear one more conservative/libertarian call the democrats left wing I will actually start blowing up random builidings out of pure contempt for the ignorance of humanity.

can i change it to be "Left-wingers, because children are just too mature."?
Just make sure you equate Democrats and left wing in the same sentence so DHomme starts blowing stuff up! I can see the headline now!

Left Wing Democrat DHomme has been arrested on terror charges after blowing up Jolt.uk' s main servers.

Just like how Bush appointed someone to the court so quickly after the Harriett Meyers debaucle to get the Plame case off the front page, the Dems made a move to get it back on. Whoopity doo.

Oh and Blu-Tac, besides the fact that the Dems are not left-wingers, are you seriously saying that Republicans/Conservatives don't do childish things? Bush hasn't fliped off the press? Cheney didn't tell someone to go fuck themselves when someone made a comment he didn't like? Or do you consider those things to be grown up acts, performed by only the most sophisticated of adults?

Get over yourself. I feel sorry for you if you think that any of the politicians in Washington have anything more then their self interests at heart. All we can hope for is to pressure those that pretend to be fighting for a side to actually follow thru on some of the promises they made.

I smell nothing more than a political game.

Don't people read their own resolutions anymore? There's more than enough reasons to go into Iraq.

Anyway, Reid needs to stop playing party politics and help fix the problems of America and to assist in defeating America's enemies.

hehe, bill frist said he'd been slapped in the face....:D

well anyway. the democrats are wrong for wanting to cover this up from the public. these things ought to be open for people to see what is going on. and from what i see they did have an unofficial bi-partisan agreement that they wouldn't do this without consulting each other.
Cover-up, huh? Considering that the reason Reid called this special session was to force the Republicans' hands in the investigation into how the administration fucked up the intelligence gathering in the run-up to the war, I'd say you're pretty pathetically hacktackular in your fellating of the Republican party. If you want to talk about cover-ups, I suggest you start with the party in power.

I smell nothing more than a political game.

Don't people read their own resolutions anymore? There's more than enough reasons to go into Iraq.

Anyway, Reid needs to stop playing party politics and help fix the problems of America and to assist in defeating America's enemies.

You are suggesting that a politician stop playing politics? LMFAO!!! ahahahahahahaa. oh my. *spittle*

You actually think that the Repulicans don't play party politics?

So to fix Americas problems, what do you suggest Corny? That the Dems all become republicans because they are the only ones with ideas worthy of Americas best interests? Those enemies that we are tryign to defeat... what do you suggest? A bigger presence in the middle east (the reason we are already being attacked)? more hijacking of the iraqi economy (Bremers orders)? More bombs? Give us your plan of action oh wise one.

ARGH!

OH MY GOD.

I swear if I hear one more conservative/libertarian call the democrats left wing I will actually start blowing up random builidings out of pure contempt for the ignorance of humanity.

I agree, there are so few democrats left in the party they sould just start calling them socialists. Unfortunately you can't get those people to stop lying about what they are, because as soon as people figure it out, they are rejected, and dismissed outright.

You are suggesting that a politician stop playing politics? LMFAO!!! ahahahahahahaa. oh my. *spittle*

You actually think that the Repulicans don't play party politics?

Both parties are guilty of it. They forgot that when this nation was founded, it was founded based on compromise.

So to fix Americas problems, what do you suggest Corny? That the Dems all become republicans because they are the only ones with ideas worthy of Americas best interests?

Hell no. I hate a one party system the same as I hate the 2 party system.

Those enemies that we are tryign to defeat... what do you suggest? A bigger presence in the middle east (the reason we are already being attacked)? more hijacking of the iraqi economy (Bremers orders)? More bombs? Give us your plan of action oh wise one.

I'm not a military strategist nor a general in the Armed Forces.

I hate them, I'd perfer a Coup instead of things continuing like this. I fear that could happen if the Military keeps being used as a private Army for Corperations. The military has a responsibility to protect the citizens of the United States, they should also defend it from those within the Government who are ruining the nation.

I agree, there are so few democrats left in the party they sould just start calling them socialists. Unfortunately you can't get those people to stop lying about what they are, because as soon as people figure it out, they are rejected, and dismissed outright.
Only in your warped little mind are Democrats anything close to socialist. Come back when you have a grip on reality.:rolleyes:

You are suggesting that a politician stop playing politics? LMFAO!!! ahahahahahahaa. oh my. *spittle*

You actually think that the Repulicans don't play party politics?

So to fix Americas problems, what do you suggest Corny? That the Dems all become republicans because they are the only ones with ideas worthy of Americas best interests? Those enemies that we are tryign to defeat... what do you suggest? A bigger presence in the middle east (the reason we are already being attacked)? more hijacking of the iraqi economy (Bremers orders)? More bombs? Give us your plan of action oh wise one.

I guess you have never figured out that when you start calling people names that people stop reading what you have to say. Sorry for you as you make your own opinions meaningless to others.

The military has a responsibility to protect the citizens of the United States, they should also defend it from those within the Government who are ruining the nation.
They have ... repeatedly ... and will continue to do so.

I guess you have never figured out that when you start calling people names that people stop reading what you have to say. Sorry for you as you make your own opinions meaningless to others.


Corny is a term of endearment cuz I luff him and he actually responded, so what say you now Liverbreath?

Just make sure you equate Democrats and left wing in the same sentence so DHomme starts blowing stuff up! I can see the headline now!

Left Wing Democrat DHomme has been arrested on terror charges after blowing up Jolt.uk' s main servers.

Ha ha.

Welcome to my block list. Population: You

It's so cute. Democrats pretending to be relevant again. Harry Reid invokes an arcane rule and hijacks the Senate agenda so he can play Majority leader for a day. Chucklehead Schumer sprinted for the cameras of course. Haven't heard anything from Senator Chappaquidic Kennedy yet, must be happy hour.

I look forward to crushing the Democrats again and again until they can actually start acting like adults again.

Corny is a term of endearment cuz I luff him and he actually responded, so what say you now Liverbreath?

Awww

:fluffle: :D :p

They have ... repeatedly ... and will continue to do so.
Then why are both sides still in office. If you claim the Dems are the ones ruining the nation why hasn't the Army come up and Arrested them all. And Since I claim that the current Bush Adminstration taking this country to hell in a handbasket why can't some MPs kick down their Door and have them arrested.

Currently from what I've seen this Government sucks due to the current leadership. For using their position of power for their own personal Profit and their own private goals at the expense of the Nation, I declare that George W. Bush and Dick Chenney are Traitors to the United States. And for these Crimes should be removed from office, as well as anyone in on their schemes. That's what I plead the Military to do. Remove these traitors from office.

Then why are both sides still in office. If you claim the Dems are the ones ruining the nation why hasn't the Army come up and Arrested them all.
The US Army has never arrested a politician
And Since I claim that the current Bush Adminstration taking this country to hell in a handbasket why can't some MPs kick down their Door and have them arrested for Treason.
Well, if you say so, I guess we should have a coup d'etat. Would you like anything else? Fries maybe?

Then why are both sides still in office. If you claim the Dems are the ones ruining the nation why hasn't the Army come up and Arrested them all. And Since I claim that the current Bush Adminstration taking this country to hell in a handbasket why can't some MPs kick down their Door and have them arrested for Treason.

For using their position of power for their own personal Profit and their own private goals at the expense of the Nation, I declare that George W. Bush and Dick Chenney are Traitors to the United States.
Declare all you want. This is, in fact, politics as usual and the military ( in the United States of America at least ) does not get involved in politics.

Declare all you want. This is, in fact, politics as usual and the military ( in the United States of America at least ) does not get involved in politics.

For which we are grateful for.

And Frist is crying like a little bitch over this, saying that he'll never trust Reid and that this will make it hard to get anything done in the Senate--so much the better, say I. In fact, considering the job the Republican led Senate has done so far, the less they get accomplished between now and the next election, the better for everyone involved.

And Frist is crying like a little bitch over this, saying that he'll never trust Reid and that this will make it hard to get anything done in the Senate--so much the better, say I. In fact, considering the job the Republican led Senate has done so far, the less they get accomplished between now and the next election, the better for everyone involved.

Except that they were discussing spending cuts when Reid pulled this stunt.

We already have had investigations on this and one of those, with a 17-0 vote said that no politics where played in the intelligent and PHASE II of the investigation is underway.

Come on people, this is redicoulous.

The Nazz spoke better than he knew.
The House needs to spend less time in DC. The last thing this country needs is more laws. Cut the budget and go fishing, give us a break.

Except that they were discussing spending cuts when Reid pulled this stunt.

We already have had investigations on this and one of those, with a 17-0 vote said that no politics where played in the intelligent and PHASE II of the investigation is underway.

Come on people, this is redicoulous.No, it isn't, or rather, it isn't if you give a damn about national security instead of just partisan bullshit games. I know where you stand on that Corneliu--we've had these kinds of battles before, and you always come down on the side of partisanship.

23 times in the last two years, Senate Democrats have tried to get information on this, have tried to keep this investigation alive, only to be stonewalled by the Republican leadership and the Bush administration. They've had it, and it's about damn time. The country is not served by the continued cover-up on this issue--we are weakened by it, and if this is what is necessary for some headway to be made, then so much the better.

No, it isn't, or rather, it isn't if you give a damn about national security instead of just partisan bullshit games. I know where you stand on that Corneliu--we've had these kinds of battles before, and you always come down on the side of partisanship.

23 times in the last two years, Senate Democrats have tried to get information on this, have tried to keep this investigation alive, only to be stonewalled by the Republican leadership and the Bush administration. They've had it, and it's about damn time. The country is not served by the continued cover-up on this issue--we are weakened by it, and if this is what is necessary for some headway to be made, then so much the better.

And yet there was a report that they didn't want released.

This is, indeed rediculous. I do believe in National Security and the Intelligence Community has already been slambasted by everyone, including Bush.

Now we are taking steps to make sure we get accurate intelligence and now the CIA is moving from more technology to human intelligence.

I've never heard about closed sessions before (I don't think the British Parliament has such a thing). Aren't they a little anti-democratic?
Hence, we are a Republic. In which we elect people to represent us.

And these representatives (our Senators) are investigating this.

In any case, it seems like the only way things will progress anyway. I can't see the Republicans allowing for anything public to happen.

Would you like anything else? Fries maybe?
Get me an order of Freedom Fries please :D
So while the Senate is busy w/this, what is Congress up to?

Get me an order of Freedom Fries please :D
So while the Senate is busy w/this, what is Congress up to?

They were discussing spending cuts. Now they won't be.

They were discussing spending cuts. Now they won't be.
Oh my, spending cuts!! :eek:
No wonder the Dems pulled this stunt at this point [/taxANDspendJOKE]. How can we cut our budget? Congress must continue to burden the taxpayers with deficit spending! [/sarcasm]

Get me an order of Freedom Fries please :D
So while the Senate is busy w/this, what is Congress up to?
Corneliu, as usual, is wrong. The agreement they hashed out in the closed session sets up a timeline for the Senate Intelligence Committee to do the investigation their chairman said they would do over a year and a half ago. The Senate is already back to its usual business.

So while the Senate is busy w/this, what is Congress up to?

Probably, they were thinking up new ways to screw with us. The Congress has a bad habit of taking state laws and coming up with federal laws that duplicate them. Then if you break one of them you get to go to court twice for the same offense.

Corneliu, as usual, is wrong. The agreement they hashed out in the closed session sets up a timeline for the Senate Intelligence Committee to do the investigation their chairman said they would do over a year and a half ago. The Senate is already back to its usual business.

Good. I'm glad they are back to their usual business.

And no, I wasn't wrong. They were discussing spending cuts prior to this stunt.

Good. I'm glad they are back to their usual business.

And no, I wasn't wrong. They were discussing spending cuts prior to this stunt.
Look at your own quote--you finished by saying "Now they won't be." You were wrong--maybe you ought to learn how the Senate works before spouting off like that.

Look at your own quote--you finished by saying "Now they won't be." You were wrong--maybe you ought to learn how the Senate works before spouting off like that.

I do know how the Senate works. Rule 21 (that was the rule that Reid invoked) is used so uncommon that it took me by surprise. I'm also not watching C-Span 2 so I didn't know that they went back to normal business.

Probably, they were thinking up new ways to screw with us. The Congress has a bad habit of taking state laws and coming up with federal laws that duplicate them. Then if you break one of them you get to go to court twice for the same offense.
Yea Congress is pretty bad - the only Congressman I really respect nowadays is Ron Paul.

I do know how the Senate works. Rule 21 (that was the rule that Reid invoked) is used so uncommon that it took me by surprise. I'm also not watching C-Span 2 so I didn't know that they went back to normal business.
I'm not watching it either--I'm online, as you are, and apparently I'm able to multi-task as well, you know, read news and post occasionally.

Funny. No Republican seemed to have a problem with Cheney meeting with energy company bigwigs to determine energy policy and then stating that the meeting and who was involved was secret....

Funny. No Republican seemed to have a problem with Cheney meeting with energy company bigwigs to determine energy policy and then stating that the meeting and who was involved was secret....

Funny how people like you think that getting an informed opinion from someone who might actually know something about the subject at hand is suspicious.

Funny how people like you think that getting an informed opinion from someone who might actually know something about the subject at hand is suspicious.

No, what's suspicious is that it was completely secretive. Intentionally performed without any ability for oversight. The identities of the parties involved are still secret, though we do know that Ken Lay was there. That really fills me with a sense of security. :rolleyes:

We also know that they have refused several requests under the Freedom of Information Act.

I smell nothing more than a political game.

Don't people read their own resolutions anymore? There's more than enough reasons to go into Iraq.

Anyway, Reid needs to stop playing party politics and help fix the problems of America and to assist in defeating America's enemies.


How pitifully naive.

Have you been paying attention to politics long? Allow me to ask you: what makes you think Reid, or any Democrat or left-winger for that matter, WANTS America's enemies to be defeated?

The left would love nothing more than to see America lose. Time to look out that window and into the ugly real world. Not all of America's "allies" want us to suceed.

Good for Sen Reid. Thoguh I am really not surpised knowing him and what he has done both in Congress and when he was home in Nevada.

Then again, Nevada politics are usually full of funky stuff like this and Reid is a Nevadan through and through.

Edit: *Reads the above post* Uh... Please don't kill the newbie for silly statments like that.

How pitifully naive.

Have you been paying attention to politics long? Allow me to ask you: what makes you think Reid, or any Democrat or left-winger for that matter, WANTS America's enemies to be defeated?

The left would love nothing more than to see America lose. Time to look out that window and into the ugly real world. Not all of America's "allies" want us to suceed.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! (points. Stops to gasp some air.) Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

How pitifully naive.

Have you been paying attention to politics long? Allow me to ask you: what makes you think Reid, or any Democrat or left-winger for that matter, WANTS America's enemies to be defeated?

The left would love nothing more than to see America lose. Time to look out that window and into the ugly real world. Not all of America's "allies" want us to suceed.

Yes, because we all love to see ourselves lose.

I give this a nomination for worst post of the month.

Yes, because we all love to see ourselves lose.

I give this a nomination for worst post of the month.
I second the nomination. You've got to love the internet for providing people with the opportunity to talk tougher than they ever would in person.

I second the nomination. You've got to love the internet for providing people with the opportunity to talk tougher than they ever would in person.

Thirded

Thirded

Fourthed

I thought what I was advocating was extreme but saying that the entire Left wing wants America to fail, Ha Absurd!

How pitifully naive.

Have you been paying attention to politics long? Allow me to ask you: what makes you think Reid, or any Democrat or left-winger for that matter, WANTS America's enemies to be defeated?

The left would love nothing more than to see America lose. Time to look out that window and into the ugly real world. Not all of America's "allies" want us to suceed.

I am on the right however even I am not that naive to think that all democrats want to see us lose. I"m sure most of them want to see us win. Its only a few that don't want us to have the tools to do so. Also, they'll believe one thing one week and then say something completely opposite the next. However, the Republicans are guilty of that too. That's politics for you.

Fourthed

I thought what I was advocating was extreme but saying that the entire Left wing wants America to fail, Ha Absurd!

I'll even fifth it.

It's so cute. Democrats pretending to be relevant again. Harry Reid invokes an arcane rule and hijacks the Senate agenda so he can play Majority leader for a day. Chucklehead Schumer sprinted for the cameras of course. Haven't heard anything from Senator Chappaquidic Kennedy yet, must be happy hour.

I look forward to crushing the Democrats again and again until they can actually start acting like adults again.

Like this post does?

MODED!


god I love that word

How pitifully naive.

Have you been paying attention to politics long? Allow me to ask you: what makes you think Reid, or any Democrat or left-winger for that matter, WANTS America's enemies to be defeated?

The left would love nothing more than to see America lose. Time to look out that window and into the ugly real world. Not all of America's "allies" want us to suceed.
There's this thing that came with your TV. It's called a Remote Control Device or "RMD". By using it you can get out of the FOX-hole you're finding yourself stuck in.