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Social conservatives are trying to limit the use of a vaccine that stops a virus responsible for most of the cases of cervical cancer. They believe that the vaccine will only encourage teen sex. Apparently teen sex is worse than slow, horrible death from tumors eating you from the inside out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9873260/

Is there any link between teenage sex and cervical cancer?

Is there any link between teenage sex and cervical cancer?
"Because the vaccine protects against a sexually transmitted virus, many conservatives oppose making it mandatory, citing fears that it could send a subtle message condoning sexual activity before marriage."

teenagers having sex?! not on my conservative watch! kill them instead! :headbang:

teenagers having sex?! not on my conservative watch! kill them instead! :headbang:
And make sure they suffer for a while before they're allowed to die. It sends a message to the rest.

teenagers having sex?! not on my conservative watch! kill them instead! :headbang:

Better yet, don't just kill them, BURN THEM AT THE STEAK!




I intentially misspelled "stake"

And make sure they suffer for a while before they're allowed to die. It sends a message to the rest.
good point.

*rubs hands together* there, i think we've cured the world of that awful teenage sex problem. good work!



fucking conservatives...

Better yet, don't just kill them, BURN THEM AT THE STEAK!




I intentially misspelled "stake"
But I like my steak rare, not burned. Couldn't we just sear them slightly at the steak to lock in the juices?

But I like my steak rare, not burned. Couldn't we just sear them slightly at the steak to lock in the juices?

Mmmmmm...Seared teenage girl steak....mmmmmmm

... to lock in the juices?
i hope you don't mean the juices i think you mean... ewwww

Mmmmmm...Seared teenage girl steak....mmmmmmm


:eek: stay away from me

i hope you don't mean the juices i think you mean... ewwww

Sounds okay to me. <.<

I don't know what's sicker, a cervical cancer victim on chemo or this thread. I'm proud to have started it!

Isn't it amazing how a political thread can evolve into talk of human girl steak?

:eek: stay away from me

Hey you. What's cookin'?

Hey you. What's cookin'?

I'll take the right side, and the lungs, you can have the left side, along with the heart and liver.

Dig in!

I'll take the right side, and the lungs, you can have the left side, along with the heart and liver.

Dig in!

Can I have the brain?

Hey you. What's cookin'?


Errrrr:( cabbage i think

I'll take the right side, and the lungs, you can have the left side, along with the heart and liver.

Dig in!


:eek: :eek: are you sure you wanna eat that?
Im quite partial to my body :(

Can I have the brain?

Eh... you get left lobe, I get right lobe, with brain stem.

"Because the vaccine protects against a sexually transmitted virus, many conservatives oppose making it mandatory, citing fears that it could send a subtle message condoning sexual activity before marriage."
In a probably vain attempt to steer the topic away from sexual cannibalism (oh, who am I kidding?), I'd like to point out that a person can get an STD after they get married, too, especially if they marry a skank-ho-self-righteous-hypocrite who lies about their activities to the church fathers. (After all, born-agains were all sinners once.)

In a probably vain attempt to steer the topic away from sexual cannibalism (oh, who am I kidding?), I'd like to point out that a person can get an STD after they get married, too, especially if they marry a skank-ho-self-righteous-hypocrite who lies about their activities to the church fathers. (After all, born-agains were all sinners once.)

Nonsense. The mighty power of Jesus through marriage will protect their genitals from the evil microscopic minions of Satan.

:eek: :eek: are you sure you wanna eat that?
Im quite partial to my body :(

*pokes with fork*

Get on the plate, dear.

Eh... you get left lobe, I get right lobe, with brain stem.

Meh, that'll do.

Meh, that'll do.

We do still have the topic of Genitalia...

Solid proof of how much the Christian Right of this country truly values life.

We do still have the topic of Genitalia...
Well I can't imagine anybody has a problem eating that.

We do still have the topic of Genitalia...


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
I am getting out of here

Well I can't imagine anybody has a problem eating that.

No, I mean the division of the tasty teenage girl genitalia between Kanabia and myself.

Can I have the brain?

In other news, a mysterious virus appears to be turning Australians into brain-eating zombies. The Christian Right has opposed a vaccine against that, too, on the grounds that people with brains might think. Film at 11!

:p

as a conservative christian, I find the idea that they would be trying to limit the use of a vaccine that may prevent cancer, disgusting. I don't think it will promote premarital sex at all, I mean does it really need promotion to begin with? It isn't like kids aren't interested in it anyway. I am repulsed by my fellow conservatives more and more these days.

Sure, kids are going to have premarital sex, I don't like it, but what I like even less is letting them get sick over what a bunch of crazy holier than thou "conservatives" think might look bad.:headbang:


GRRR:mad:

No, I mean the division of the tasty teenage girl genitalia between Kanabia and myself.

I think we'll have to fight eachother over it. Winner eats loser.

In other news, a mysterious virus appears to be turning Australians into brain-eating zombies. The Christian Right has opposed a vaccine against that, too, on the grounds that people with brains might think. Film at 11!

:p

*drools*

Must...crush....New Zealand...

Well I can't imagine anybody has a problem eating that.
Unless you're straight and you have to eat genitalia from the same sex. There might be a problem there.

as a conservative christian, I find the idea that they would be trying to limit the use of a vaccine that may prevent cancer, disgusting. I don't think it will promote premarital sex at all, I mean does it really need promotion to begin with? It isn't like kids aren't interested in it anyway. I am repulsed by my fellow conservatives more and more these days.

Sure, kids are going to have premarital sex, I don't like it, but what I like even less is letting them get sick over what a bunch of crazy holier than thou "conservatives" think might look bad.:headbang:


GRRR:mad:
I'm a diehard conservative christian and I agree with you. Give them the vaccine. Just continue with the abstinence programs.

Unless you're straight and you have to eat genitalia from the same sex. There might be a problem there.

Can I interest you in a dried squid? Two for a dollar.

I'm a diehard conservative christian and I agree with you. Give them the vaccine. Just continue with the abstinence programs.
I will give my kids the vaccine when it is time for it (if they prove it safe and all that of course) I don't see how giving a vaccine promotes any behavior. I mean my kids took a vaccine to protect them from chicken pox, I don't see them out doing "risky chicken pox" behavior now. I intend to deal with it like I do all their vaccinations "This is a shot that could help prevent you from getting [insert disease here], I am making the doctor give you this because I love you and don't want you to get sick"

how does that promote sexual activity?

Is there any link between teenage sex and cervical cancer?
There is now.

Pro-abstinence groups, fighting to ensure Darwinism keeps working.

Nonsense. The mighty power of Jesus through marriage will protect their genitals from the evil microscopic minions of Satan.
Oh, right, I forgot about that -- each little cell dressed up in its own little Templar Knight outfit and all the spermatozoa wiggling their tails in time to "Onward Christian Soldiers." So little and cute. Like trick-or-treaters on Halloween -- oops, wrong holiday, I guess.

(PS: It's pronounced "the mighty power of JAY-sus!!")

as a conservative christian, I find the idea that they would be trying to limit the use of a vaccine that may prevent cancer, disgusting. I don't think it will promote premarital sex at all, I mean does it really need promotion to begin with? It isn't like kids aren't interested in it anyway. I am repulsed by my fellow conservatives more and more these days.



Smunkee, don't beat yourself up. They aren't your fellow conservatives...no more than Maoists are my fellow liberals. They are a group of fanatics, and just because you are a conservative, does not mean you ought to be lumped into the same group as them.

"Some people have raised the issue of whether this vaccine may be sending an overall message to teenagers that, 'We expect you to be sexually active,'" said Reginald Finger, a doctor trained in public health who served as a medical analyst for Focus on the Family before being appointed to the ACIP in 2003, in a telephone interview.
"I've talked to some who have said, 'This is going to sabotage our abstinence message,' " said Gene Rudd, associate executive director of the Christian Medical and Dental Associations.
Now here are some people who have never been to a highschool, a college, or a McDonalds.

Oh, right, I forgot about that -- each little cell dressed up in its own little Templar Knight outfit and all the spermatozoa wiggling their tails in time to "Onward Christian Soldiers." So little and cute. Like trick-or-treaters on Halloween -- oops, wrong holiday, I guess.

(PS: It's pronounced "the mighty power of JAY-sus!!")

http://www.nofear.org/Archives/Media/2004/03/jesus-with-boy.jpg

Jesus protects children. :)

http://www.nofear.org/Archives/Media/2004/03/jesus-with-boy.jpg

Jesus protects children. :)
:eek: :D :eek: :D :D :eek: :eek: :D :D AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

(screams morph into laughter; can't tell the difference any more.)

Can I interest you in a dried squid? Two for a dollar.
Do you still have Nigerian "dried squid" laying around?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
I am getting out of here
LOL! :p

Get used to it, this is NS General. Everyone here, with the possible exception of me, is obsessed with sex (I'm obsessed with its absence), especially very...unusual...kinds thereof. :p

(screams morph into laughter; can't tell the difference any more.)

:D

Do you still have Nigerian "dried squid" laying around?

They're out of season. These ones are Japanese. Smaller, but more exquisite. :)

LOL! :p
Everyone here, with the possible exception of me, is obsessed with sex (I'm obsessed with its absence), especially very...unusual...kinds thereof. :p
you can't really say everyone, when you speak in absolutes you are always wrong

I'm a diehard conservative christian and I agree with you. Give them the vaccine. Just continue with the abstinence programs.Oh yeah, those work:rolleyes: . A few million years of hormonal biology against your political and religious abstinence program, gee I wonder who wins?


Whoopie Goldberg said it best... "teenagers are gonna fuck... it feels good."

you can't really say everyone, when you speak in absolutes you are always wrong

Oh yeah? All Christians believe in Jesus Christ as the messiah.

Gotcha there. :p

"Because the vaccine protects against a sexually transmitted virus, many conservatives oppose making it mandatory, citing fears that it could send a subtle message condoning sexual activity before marriage." WhatTF? Even the Catholic Church says using the Pill is okay for medical reasons!

But hang on… why should the vaccine be made mandatory? I take it this is in America, where cases of the disease won't drain the NHS 'cos it doesn't exist…?

Oh yeah? All Christians believe in Jesus Christ as the messiah.

Gotcha there. :p
Maybe not. There are atheist Jews, why not the same with Christians. They like the traditions and culture, but don't accept the religion.

Oh yeah? All Christians believe in Jesus Christ as the messiah.

Gotcha there. :p
not really, they should but they don't

besides it is a paradox anyway, seeing as always is an absolute so by using it I was wrong when I said you are always wrong, but that also makes it true because I was wrong when I used always.

yeah. my 4 year old and I have many discussions like this, it really annoys the other people around us. :p

Maybe not. There are atheist Jews, why not the same with Christians. They like the traditions and culture, but don't accept the religion.

Crap. OK, you've got me.

besides it is a paradox anyway, seeing as always is an absolute so by using it I was wrong when I said you are always wrong, but that also makes it true because I was wrong when I used always.


*brain juice melts out of left ear*

Yes.

Social conservatives are trying to limit the use of a vaccine that stops a virus responsible for most of the cases of cervical cancer. They believe that the vaccine will only encourage teen sex. Apparently teen sex is worse than slow, horrible death from tumors eating you from the inside out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9873260/
Remeber, in Wingnutland only dirty nasty sluts get STDs. By definition, any person who gets an STD must have deserved it because they were a dirty nasty slut. Thus, if we do anything to prevent kids from contracting or suffering from STDs, we are implying that those kids will become dirty, nasty sluts.

Also remember that stopping people from having/enjoying The Sex is far more important than protecting their health and well-being. This is why abstinance-only programs are still supported, despite having been repeatedly proven to INCREASE the amount of unsafe sex that young people have...we can't teach children anything that might lead them to believe they could have extramarital sex without dying of syphilis in the gutter.

Culture of life my ass.

LOL! :p

Get used to it, this is NS General. Everyone here, with the possible exception of me, is obsessed with sex (I'm obsessed with its absence), especially very...unusual...kinds thereof. :p


hmm...i suppose i could get used to it, after all i have teenage brothers:p

Remeber, in Wingnutland only dirty nasty sluts get STDs. By definition, any person who gets an STD must have deserved it because they were a dirty nasty slut. Thus, if we do anything to prevent kids from contracting or suffering from STDs, we are implying that those kids will become dirty, nasty sluts.

Also remember that stopping people from having The Sex is far more important than protecting their health and well-being. This is why abstinance-only programs are still supported, despite having been repeatedly proven to INCREASE the amount of unsafe sex that young people have.

Culture of life my ass. The weird thing is, you wouldn't expect them to give a damn if "dirty sluts" were fucking each other, would you?

I hate to say this, but America does seem to have an awfully large/vocal amount of oddities.

Can I interest you in a dried squid? Two for a dollar.
Does it come with wafers?

Anyway, I think that the Krazy Kristian Kamp's point is that, while this vaccine may prevent one thing, it doesn't prevent the various other ways that random sex can fuck up your life. Kind of like how the pill does jack-shit against AIDS or that one condom out of a 1000 that has holes the size of Montana in it.
And can someone explain why this vaccine would be mandatory? I'm more concerned about the flu then I am about STD related crap that is easily preventable. And don't tell me that teenagers are all crack heads who don't know how to use condoms and can't show a little restraint.

*brain juice melts out of left ear*

Yes.
yeah I know, there are times when my 4 year old gets me thinking so much that I wish I was still taking advanced trig so I could have a time to slack off.:p

she comes up with things that I had never thought of and then wants to pick them apart for hours at a time. We were talking about time travel the other day, and let me tell you, a whole lot of it was over my head, I had to digest it and come back and continue the conversation later.;)

Does it come with wafers?

Sure, whatever turns you on.

Social conservatives are trying to limit the use of a vaccine that stops a virus responsible for most of the cases of cervical cancer. They believe that the vaccine will only encourage teen sex. Apparently teen sex is worse than slow, horrible death from tumors eating you from the inside out.
This would make a good NationStates daily issue. One of the options could be:

"Don't tell them it has anything to do with sex!" yells your brother's girlfriend's father's doctor. "Just tell them it prevents cancer and everyone will want it. And while we're at it, we can tell them that this obedience serum prevents heart disease."

Oh yeah, those work:rolleyes: . A few million years of hormonal biology against your political and religious abstinence program, gee I wonder who wins?
Everyone! They get to have their program. Nobody said it has to work. :)

yeah I know, there are times when my 4 year old gets me thinking so much that I wish I was still taking advanced trig so I could have a time to slack off.:p

she comes up with things that I had never thought of and then wants to pick them apart for hours at a time. We were talking about time travel the other day, and let me tell you, a whole lot of it was over my head, I had to digest it and come back and continue the conversation later.;)

Well, at least you let her imagination have free reign like that. A lot of parents probably wouldn't. Good on you :)

hmm...i suppose i could get used to it, after all i have teenage brothers:p
Teenage brothers? That would help, if you still lived with them...how old are you? If that's not an impolite question yet?

Everyone! They get to have their program. Nobody said it has to work. :)
Um, I don't think it's as simple as "they get to have their program." Particularly not if there's any loving parent with a kid in that school district...if some wingnuts wanted to impliment a program in my district that had been PROVEN to put children's lives and health in danger, there's no farking way that I would say, "Ho hum, they get to have their program, I'll just let them have their fun."

Teenage brothers? That would help, if you still lived with them...how old are you? If that's not an impolite question yet?

lots of people ask me that:p

Im almost 18

lots of people ask me that:p

Im almost 18
Ah, ok. In that case, you'll probably know what it's like already, having gone through adolescence (or, if you were an anomaly among teenagers, watching your classmates go through adolescence; I'm assuming you went to school).


[To the rest of NS General: PWNAGE!!!111eleventy]

Social conservatives are trying to limit the use of a vaccine that stops a virus responsible for most of the cases of cervical cancer. They believe that the vaccine will only encourage teen sex. Apparently teen sex is worse than slow, horrible death from tumors eating you from the inside out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9873260/
They are fucking playing with peoples health because they think it MIGHT encourage them to do something
Holy fucking god

These are probably the people that proclaim to be pro life as well

[To the rest of NS General: PWNAGE!!!111eleventy]


feel stupid asking this but what do you mean by that?

as a conservative christian, I find the idea that they would be trying to limit the use of a vaccine that may prevent cancer, disgusting. I don't think it will promote premarital sex at all, I mean does it really need promotion to begin with? It isn't like kids aren't interested in it anyway. I am repulsed by my fellow conservatives more and more these days.

Sure, kids are going to have premarital sex, I don't like it, but what I like even less is letting them get sick over what a bunch of crazy holier than thou "conservatives" think might look bad.:headbang:


GRRR:mad:

Originally Posted by Sinuhue

Smunkee, don't beat yourself up. They aren't your fellow conservatives...no more than Maoists are my fellow liberals. They are a group of fanatics, and just because you are a conservative, does not mean you ought to be lumped into the same group as them.

Thank you ladies. Both were things that needed to be said.

feel stupid asking this but what do you mean by that?
The people I'm referring to know what I mean. For the rest of you, ignorance is bliss. ^_^

Thank you ladies. Both were things that needed to be said.
A lot of things need to be said, but there are very few words to express them in.

feel stupid asking this but what do you mean by that?

I think he thinks he's scored or something

I'm a diehard conservative christian and I agree with you. Give them the vaccine. Just continue with the abstinence programs.
Great continue with an 'education' program that has shown a tendency to increase teen pregnancy and STD contraction

good idea :rolleyes:

while I think that it should be taught as an option thoes abstance only programs are more about misinformation and witholding information then helping a student make an informed decision

I think he thinks he's scored or something

oh...but i thought he was all about the absense of sex?

oh...but i thought he was all about the absense of sex?
Exactly! :p

oh...but i thought he was all about the absense of sex?

Yeah, it's a good plan on his part, isn't it? Just when you least suspect it.

Exactly! :p

...
Yeah, it's a good plan on his part, isn't it? Just when you least suspect


:confused: :confused:

Wow... why am I not surprised... good old fundie nonsesne.

I mean, everyone knows that teenagers having sex is way worse than cervical cancer.

morons.

Oh, and Bersabia, yes, this is how NS general is. So... will you get on the plate, please?

Oh, and Bersabia, yes, this is how NS general is. So... will you get on the plate, please?

:p maybe some other time

:p maybe some other time

*clinks knife and fork together menacingly*

*clinks knife and fork together menacingly*

You cant get me lol:D

You cant get me lol:D

*gets you*

Oh yeah? :D Now, if you would be so kind as to douse yourself in barbeque sauce before tying yourself to that stake over there. Thankyou.

*gets you*

Oh yeah? :D Now, if you would be so kind as to douse yourself in barbeque sauce before tying yourself to that stake over there. Thankyou.


*gets away*

I like BBQ sauce but not that much, beside i prefer the cold. :D

Social conservatives are trying to limit the use of a vaccine that stops a virus responsible for most of the cases of cervical cancer. They believe that the vaccine will only encourage teen sex. Apparently teen sex is worse than slow, horrible death from tumors eating you from the inside out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9873260/
That's not what the article says, my man. The issue is whether the vaccine should be made mandatory ( taking away the freedom to say "no" to the vaccine ) rather than whether it is to be used or not.

That's not what the article says, my man. The issue is whether the vaccine should be made mandatory ( taking away the freedom to say "no" to the vaccine ) rather than whether it is to be used or not.
I don't see how you could make a case for the vaccine to be mandatory. The other mandatory vaccines are mandatory because of the speed and ease with which the associated disease can spread among an unprotected populous.
Unless you still think that you can get an STD from a dirty toilet seat, but then you need to be removed from the genepool forthwith anyway.

*SPAM!*

Well - its as good as any other posts on this thread. Idiot n00bs

*SPAM!*

Well - its as good as any other posts on this thread. Idiot n00bs
This is kind of funny coming from a guy with a post count of 19.

I don't see how you could make a case for the vaccine to be mandatory. The other mandatory vaccines are mandatory because of the speed and ease with which the associated disease can spread among an unprotected populous.
Unless you still think that you can get an STD from a dirty toilet seat, but then you need to be removed from the genepool forthwith anyway.
My only worry is that if parents are required to know if their kid is getting a vaccine it will lead to them putting themselves at more risk just to avoid having to let their parents guess that they are having sex

*gets away*

I like BBQ sauce but not that much, beside i prefer the cold. :D

*locks you in a coolroom*

Satisfied? :)

*SPAM!*

Well - its as good as any other posts on this thread. Idiot n00bs

That's nice, dear. :fluffle:

That's not what the article says, my man. The issue is whether the vaccine should be made mandatory ( taking away the freedom to say "no" to the vaccine ) rather than whether it is to be used or not.
Damn. I really should read the articles I link to a bit more thoroughly.

That's not what the article says, my man. The issue is whether the vaccine should be made mandatory ( taking away the freedom to say "no" to the vaccine ) rather than whether it is to be used or not.


Because the vaccine protects against a sexually transmitted virus, many conservatives oppose making it mandatory, citing fears that it could send a subtle message condoning sexual activity before marriage. Several leading groups that promote abstinence are meeting this week to formulate official policies on the vaccine.


I think it's pretty clear what their agenda is.

This is kind of funny coming from a guy with a post count of 19.
...Who joined several months before your current incarnation.

(I know you're a January nation, DC. I know. But still.)

Just imagine if they find a vaccine for HIV!

Jesus, the shitstorm that'd cause! :eek:

*locks you in a coolroom*

Satisfied? :)


Loaded question lol

Just imagine if they find a vaccine for HIV!

Jesus, the shitstorm that'd cause! :eek:
OMFGZ T3H G4Y C0N5P1R4CY!!!!11!!
*Straps on tin foil hat and dives into safety closet*

Just imagine if they find a vaccine for HIV!

Jesus, the shitstorm that'd cause! :eek:

No kidding. The sad thing is, they would do it too.

Just imagine if they find a vaccine for HIV!

Jesus, the shitstorm that'd cause! :eek:


The Lord would never allow man to cure his righteous plague upon the gays!

(note: this is sarcasm)

OMFGZ T3H G4Y C0N5P1R4CY!!!!11!!
*Straps on tin foil hat and dives into safety closet*

In the closet, eh? Hehehe. :p

The Lord would never allow man to cure his righteous plague upon the gays!

(note: this is sarcasm)
Sucks that you actually need a disclaimer for a statement as absurd as that.

In the closet, eh? Hehehe. :p
Considering that I once admitted to dating guys in high school, the double entendre is rather redundant.

Sucks that you actually need a disclaimer for a statement as absurd as that.
Eh, thats more of a statement about how many people go on the Interweb just to fish for things to bitch about.

Sucks that you actually need a disclaimer for a statement as absurd as that.
Did anybody else get the unintentional double meaning here, or am I just thinking about the absence of sex too much? ;)

Eh, thats more of a statement about how many people go on the Interweb just to fish for things to bitch about.
And that doesn't suck?

An7yway, have you Americans thought of changing it from "The land of the free" to "the land of the feebleminded"?

I'm sure they'd bitch and moan if one of their kids got cervical cancer that could've been prevented with the vaccine they're so against. *rolls eyes* Some people are quick to see "evil" in most everything.

1. Does it come with wafers?
<snip>

2. Krazy Kristian Kamp <snip>

3. I'm more concerned about the flu then I am about STD related crap that is easily preventable. <snip>
1. Designated new pop culture catch phrase for the remainder of 2005.

2. I need to design a logo for this kamp.

3. That may be because you don't have a cervix and are therefore unlikely to contract cervical cancer as a result of an STD.

Considering that I once admitted to dating guys in high school, the double entendre is rather redundant.

Don't worry. I've had my share of homosexual experiences in my high school and early college years too. While I have no shame in them, It's safe to say that I'm a happily married heterosexual male now.

I don't judge people based on who they have sex with. I judge them based on their performance. :p

And that doesn't suck?
What would I and every other hack comedian make fun of is people acted sensibly? I'd have no material, and then I'd have to go out and start killing people because I heard this snippet of 50 Cents once.
An7yway, have you Americans thought of changing it from "The land of the free" to "the land of the feebleminded"?
As soon as Europe changes its name to the "Union of Small Penises" we'll do it. See, I can make stereotypes and inept satire too.

And that doesn't suck?

An7yway, have you Americans thought of changing it from "The land of the free" to "the land of the feebleminded"?

Doesn't have the same Pizazz.

Better yet, don't just kill them, BURN THEM AT THE STEAK!




I intentially misspelled "stake"

its stake

1. Designated new pop culture catch phrase for the remainder of 2005.
I R CU771NG 3DG3
2. I need to design a logo for this kamp.
Quite.
3. That may be because you don't have a cervix and are therefore unlikely to contract cervical cancer as a result of an STD.
Don't tell me what I can and can't have in my body! Since I was born I have always felt psychological bereft to my lack of a cervix, and it is people like you who try and force cervical assignment based on random chance and gender!

Don't tell me what I can and can't have in my body! Since I was born I have always felt psychological bereft to my lack of a cervix, and it is people like you who try and force cervical assignment based on random chance and gender!
very life of bryan esque :D

"and where would the fetus gestate?! in a box?!"

its stake
If you can't read the following you didn't get the joke.

very life of bryan esque :D

"and where would the fetus gestate?! in a box?!"
http://www.upwardthrust.us/BRIAN.txt

hehehe I love that movie

http://www.upwardthrust.us/BRIAN.txt

hehehe I love that movie
it is pretty good. ;)

as a conservative christian, I find the idea that they would be trying to limit the use of a vaccine that may prevent cancer, disgusting. I don't think it will promote premarital sex at all, I mean does it really need promotion to begin with? It isn't like kids aren't interested in it anyway. I am repulsed by my fellow conservatives more and more these days.

Sure, kids are going to have premarital sex, I don't like it, but what I like even less is letting them get sick over what a bunch of crazy holier than thou "conservatives" think might look bad.


GRRR

I'm a diehard conservative christian and I agree with you. Give them the vaccine. Just continue with the abstinence programs.

I believe part of the problem is that many abstinence programs used the fear of HPV (the virus that causes cervical cancer) to induce abstinence. They were able to say "condoms don't protect against all STV's". This message is much more powerful than "well, your condom might break" and "If you love God, you must remain virgin until marriage".

However, if the combination of vaccine and condom are available, those are the only two messages left.

Personally, as I have a sister who had (and recovered from) cervical cancer, I am EXTREMELY glad a vaccine is available, so no other young women have to suffer from it.

very life of bryan esque :D

"and where would the fetus gestate?! in a box?!"
Fetuses don't gestate, Smunkee, they vote.

And babies come in cabbages delivered by storks. They have nothing to do with evil filthy sex or evil cancer-ridden cervixes which are nothing but Satan's gateway to sin, anyway.

Honestly, Smunkee, I don't know how you ever got the idea you were a conservative if all this is coming as a surprise to you now.

I R CU771NG 3DG3

Quite.

Don't tell me what I can and can't have in my body! Since I was born I have always felt psychological bereft to my lack of a cervix, and it is people like you who try and force cervical assignment based on random chance and gender!
Now I know what to get you for Xmas -- a pet cervix you can carry in your wallet.

Fetuses don't gestate, Smunkee, they vote.

And babies come in cabbages delivered by storks. They have nothing to do with evil filthy sex or evil cancer-ridden cervixes which are nothing but Satan's gateway to sin, anyway.

Honestly, Smunkee, I don't know how you ever got the idea you were a conservative if all this is coming as a surprise to you now.
oh yeah. Funny story, when I got pregnant with my second kid, I explained as much as I thought my first kid could handle to her without like scarring her for life.

We went to the zoo with some people from church 2 years later and were walking by the storks and one of the other church moms said "see that is the bird that brings babies"

and Kathryn said "maybe baby birds, but not baby people"
and the church lady made the mistake of asking my kid where the baby people come from and out of the cute little 4 year old mouth came words like uterus, sperm, embreyo, fetus, vagina, ect. I thought the other parents were going to faint. :rolleyes:

Meh, and people ask why I turned libertarian :) .

Don't get me wrong, I am a religious person. But let's stop pretending that by forcing it on the people that we will become a more moral nation. That motivation can be derived only from the people themselves. Blocking scientific progress is a serious issue I take up with certain social conservatives.

Religion ought to be the voice of moral reason and champion of the individual, not some grand control scheme.

I believe part of the problem is that many abstinence programs used the fear of HPV (the virus that causes cervical cancer) to induce abstinence. They were able to say "condoms don't protect against all STV's". This message is much more powerful than "well, your condom might break" and "If you love God, you must remain virgin until marriage".

However, if the combination of vaccine and condom are available, those are the only two messages left.

Personally, as I have a sister who had (and recovered from) cervical cancer, I am EXTREMELY glad a vaccine is available, so no other young women have to suffer from it.
That is why I don't advocate abstinence only education in school, sure abstinence should be covered but so should everything else. I want my kids to be abstinent until marriage but I don't see the gym teacher telling them "don't or you will go to hell" as being any help at all.

I will present my kids with the truth and let them make thier own decision, abstinence is a difficult life, you really need to have your own convictions to survive, someone making you do it (or not.....) isn't going to work.

That is why I don't advocate abstinence only education in school, sure abstinence should be covered but so should everything else. I want my kids to be abstinent until marriage but I don't see the gym teacher telling them "don't or you will go to hell" as being any help at all.

I will present my kids with the truth and let them make thier own decision, abstinence is a difficult life, you really need to have your own convictions to survive, someone making you do it (or not.....) isn't going to work.

It's interesting. My mother, who is very religious, does ensure that her kids know the facts of life. Granted, living on a farm means you'll probably learn it earlier than most anyway. But she does not teach sex education to her children. She does not tell them about ways to avoid pregnancy or STVs, and she would probably raise her voice against HPV vaccinations as well - mandatory or otherwise. She would not allow them to be distributed at a school site, even if it were a voluntary vaccination.

And yet, she is a nurse. She has a daughter who actually was abstinent until marriage and STILL caught the HPV virus from her husband, who had committed a few youthful indiscretions, and had no idea that he had contracted it. You'd think she'd put two and two together and realize that a vaccine could protect her other daughters from a similar situation.

But no.

It's interesting. My mother, who is very religious, does ensure that her kids know the facts of life. Granted, living on a farm means you'll probably learn it earlier than most anyway. But she does not teach sex education to her children. She does not tell them about ways to avoid pregnancy or STVs, and she would probably raise her voice against HPV vaccinations as well - mandatory or otherwise. She would not allow them to be distributed at a school site, even if it were a voluntary vaccination.

And yet, she is a nurse. She has a daughter who actually was abstinent until marriage and STILL caught the HPV virus from her husband, who had committed a few youthful indiscretions, and had no idea that he had contracted it. You'd think she'd put two and two together and realize that a vaccine could protect her other daughters from a similar situation.

But no.
I am highly religious. I also realize that my kids are people and make thier own decisions. I do not control them, in fact I don't want to, I want them to learn self control. They need to realize that all thier actions have consequences, if you can deal with the very worst possible outcome then you do it, if you can't you shouldn't. Condoms break (kid #1 proves that) and birth control pills aren't 100% (kid #2 proves that) if you don't want kids don't have sex, it is that simple for me. Would it be that simple for my kids? I don't know, that is why they need all the information that I can provide them, so they can make educated choices about thier lives. I would get my girls the vaccination in a heart beat. I can't deal with the possible consequence of them getting cancer, so I need to take whatever action available to limit that possibility.

oh yeah. Funny story, when I got pregnant with my second kid, I explained as much as I thought my first kid could handle to her without like scarring her for life.

We went to the zoo with some people from church 2 years later and were walking by the storks and one of the other church moms said "see that is the bird that brings babies"

and Kathryn said "maybe baby birds, but not baby people"
and the church lady made the mistake of asking my kid where the baby people come from and out of the cute little 4 year old mouth came words like uterus, sperm, embreyo, fetus, vagina, ect. I thought the other parents were going to faint. :rolleyes:
:D Good one.

of course a proven anticancer vaccine should be mandatory. as other similar vaccines become available they should also be mandatry.

in the same way that DPT, Hib, hepB, measles and mumps vaccines are mandatory-- a kid has to have them to enter or continue in school subject to some kind of waver procedure for those who feel it violates their religious freedom.

What would I and every other hack comedian make fun of is people acted sensibly? I'd have no material, and then I'd have to go out and start killing people because I heard this snippet of 50 Cents once.
True. I take it back. Would be boring as hell if you didn't post your random little insanities here for me to read. Besides, my local keyboard dealer would probably go broke. GRanted, you've only made me ruin one keyboard so far, but I haven't been here very long yet.

Incedentially, you wouldn't happen to be called Michael, run a computershop, and post here because you know who I am, would you? Hmmmm....

As soon as Europe changes its name to the "Union of Small Penises" we'll do it. See, I can make stereotypes and inept satire too.
We can't do that. It'd be stealing ASIANs catch phrase. "Union of Stuck-Up Wankers" maybe, or perhaps "Union of Amoral Moralists", but not small penises. Oh wait, we could make it "Union of Mediocre Wieners" - that good enuff for you?

I am highly religious. I also realize that my kids are people and make thier own decisions. I do not control them, in fact I don't want to, I want them to learn self control. They need to realize that all thier actions have consequences, if you can deal with the very worst possible outcome then you do it, if you can't you shouldn't. Condoms break (kid #1 proves that) and birth control pills aren't 100% (kid #2 proves that) if you don't want kids don't have sex, it is that simple for me. Would it be that simple for my kids? I don't know, that is why they need all the information that I can provide them, so they can make educated choices about thier lives. I would get my girls the vaccination in a heart beat. I can't deal with the possible consequence of them getting cancer, so I need to take whatever action available to limit that possibility.
That's because you're more interested in raising healthy, rational, happy, responsible people than in enforcing some kind of arbitrary obedience -- which it seems to me to be the primary motivation of some of the more radical moralists, though I'm not sure exactly why they want that. At heart their message always boils down to "do whatever I say because I said so." Thus, it's more important to force people to deny and repress their natural sexual instincts (impossible, imo) than to prevent the spread of infectious diseases (a hell of a lot easier).

That's because you're more interested in raising healthy, rational, happy, responsible people than in enforcing some kind of arbitrary obedience --

I feel like if I love my children I would want all those things for them, I wonder about some of the other parents that I know, who seem to be trying to raise "perfect children" I wonder how much they actually love thier kids.

I don't want my kids to be "good" because they are afraid of getting caught, I want them to want to be "good".

Now, what motivates a kid to want to be good? Imo, honest loving parents who educate thier children on how to make choices that are good. If you treat your kids like they are beneath you, eventually they will try to rise up against you, if you treat them like intelligen human beings, then they seem to act like intelligent human beings.

go figure.

True. I take it back. Would be boring as hell if you didn't post your random little insanities here for me to read. Besides, my local keyboard dealer would probably go broke. GRanted, you've only made me ruin one keyboard so far, but I haven't been here very long yet.
I've only been here in this incarnation (I had another one of whom I refuse to speak that I killed off) for a month or so more than you. Yet, you have made more posts in a shorter amount of time. Not fair, I demand that you equally distribute that post count!
Incedentially, you wouldn't happen to be called Michael, run a computershop, and post here because you know who I am, would you? Hmmmm....
No, I happen to be <name deleted>, <proffession deleted>, and post because I <excuse deleted>.
This post censored by Agent <name deleted> Bureau for <Bureau name deleted>. We hope <platitude deleted>
We can't do that. It'd be stealing ASIANs catch phrase. "Union of Stuck-Up Wankers" maybe, or perhaps "Union of Amoral Moralists", but not small penises. Oh wait, we could make it "Union of Mediocre Wieners" - that good enuff for you?
Mediocre Wieners won't work, Oscar Meyer's come after you for stealing their slogan. How about just "Penis Envy Union"? I'll start sending letters to my congressperson today!

I feel like if I love my children I would want all those things for them, I wonder about some of the other parents that I know, who seem to be trying to raise "perfect children" I wonder how much they actually love thier kids.

I don't want my kids to be "good" because they are afraid of getting caught, I want them to want to be "good".

Now, what motivates a kid to want to be good? Imo, honest loving parents who educate thier children on how to make choices that are good. If you treat your kids like they are beneath you, eventually they will try to rise up against you, if you treat them like intelligen human beings, then they seem to act like intelligent human beings.

go figure.
Yeah, it's amazing how that works. I know what you mean about wondering about some parents. I used to work at an art/history museum that got a lot of family and school traffic, and my fellow staffers and I would go pale watching some parents actually get annoyed when their kids showed interest in the exhibitions and would yell at them that they didn't have time to dawdle and whatnot. Why were they even at the museum? Why did they even have the kids? We used to discuss the advisability of kidnapping/rescuing such kids.

I also get a little sick-scared-angry when I hear some parents talking about their kids as if they are an extension of themselves -- little mini-thems, all variation to be stamped out or ignored -- or even as if they are status possessions, right up there with the SUV and the flatscreen tv.

I also get a little sick-scared-angry when I hear some parents talking about their kids as if they are an extension of themselves -- little mini-thems, all variation to be stamped out or ignored -- or even as if they are status possessions, right up there with the SUV and the flatscreen tv.

I get the same way when parents take credit for the good things thier kids do and then blame others for the bad things, either you control your kids or you don't (and the correct answer is you don't)

People compliment me on how well behaved my kids are, and I say, "tell them, they are the ones behaving, not me" and then they give me this dumb look. :rolleyes:

Penis Evny Union! But of course! I can't imagine why I didn't think of that, hahaha.

Anyway, I realized it'll be fairly easy to tell whether you really are my local keyboard pusher incognito. I can simply take my shopping elsewhere...
But that does put me in a bit of a dillemma though. I've already decided that the occational new keyboard is a price I'm willing to pay to keep drinking coffee & beer at my computer. So do I risk discouraging you from posting by taking my business elsewhere, assuming you really are Michael, and save the odd new keyboard, or is this too a price I'm willing to pay for a bit of everyday insanity?

Hmm..

Fuck this. I'm going for a beer.

It's interesting. My mother, who is very religious, does ensure that her kids know the facts of life. Granted, living on a farm means you'll probably learn it earlier than most anyway. But she does not teach sex education to her children. She does not tell them about ways to avoid pregnancy or STVs, and she would probably raise her voice against HPV vaccinations as well - mandatory or otherwise. She would not allow them to be distributed at a school site, even if it were a voluntary vaccination.

And yet, she is a nurse. She has a daughter who actually was abstinent until marriage and STILL caught the HPV virus from her husband, who had committed a few youthful indiscretions, and had no idea that he had contracted it. You'd think she'd put two and two together and realize that a vaccine could protect her other daughters from a similar situation.

But no.

It is amazing how some of the most intelligant people have little reasoning ability.

oh yeah. Funny story, when I got pregnant with my second kid, I explained as much as I thought my first kid could handle to her without like scarring her for life.

We went to the zoo with some people from church 2 years later and were walking by the storks and one of the other church moms said "see that is the bird that brings babies"

and Kathryn said "maybe baby birds, but not baby people"
and the church lady made the mistake of asking my kid where the baby people come from and out of the cute little 4 year old mouth came words like uterus, sperm, embreyo, fetus, vagina, ect. I thought the other parents were going to faint. :rolleyes:

I'm Lunatic Goofballs and I approve of this story. :D

Is it just me, or does everything to the reactionaries seem to encourage teen sex?

I'm Lunatic Goofballs and I approve of this story. :D
Agreed. That is the kind of genius you video-tape, and put on the internet.

Is it just me, or does everything to the reactionaries seem to encourage teen sex?

You've been a teen.

Oxygen encourages teen sex. :D

You've been a teen.

Oxygen encourages teen sex. :D
It depends on how you use it...

You've been a teen.

Oxygen encourages teen sex. :D
Not true, some of us enjoy erotic asphyxiation.
Not that I am including myself, of course . . . no . . . No, Of course not . . . I'd never . .

Everything but things that do encourage sex (like abstinence classes and aphrodesiacs) encourage sex to reactionaries. Hell, their protesting encourages teen sex.

This thread encorages teen sex! :eek:

This thread encorages teen sex! :eek:
That face definately encourages teen sex. I am calling Focus on the Family right now..

That face definately encourages teen sex. I am calling Focus on the Family right now..
I couldn't agree more, just look at that mouth! Obviously it is the mouth of someone who is about to give gay oral sex to someone!
OUR CHILDREN ARE BEING CORRUPTED! Someone stop the insanity!

I couldn't agree, just look at that mouth! Obviously it is the mouth of someone who is about to give gay oral sex to someone!
OUR CHILDREN ARE BEING CORRUPTED! Someone stop the insanity!
That is what it would be doing were it Fass' post. I frankly don't want to know what kind of intention Goofballs gives it.

That face definately encourages teen sex. I am calling Focus on the Family right now..

Oh, please! :rolleyes: Next, you guys are going to be saying that this innocent smilie giving another a piggyback ride: http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/liebe/love-smiley-076.gif is somehow dirty too. *shakes head in disgust*

That is what it would be doing were it Fass' post. I frankly don't want to know what kind of intention Goofballs gives it.
Who knows what darkness lies in the hearts of Goofballs? Only the Shadow knows.

Oh, please! :rolleyes: Next, you guys are going to be saying that this innocent smilie giving another a piggyback ride: http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/liebe/love-smiley-076.gif is somehow dirty too. *shakes head in disgust*
The piggy back smiley is ok, but that smiley looking up is staring up the skirt of a tall woman! You keep your perverted midgets out of here!

Oh, please! :rolleyes: Next, you guys are going to be saying that this innocent smilie giving another a piggyback ride: http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/liebe/love-smiley-076.gif is somehow dirty too. *shakes head in disgust*
Both smilies and the actionary suggestion are all horribly, disgusting, perverse, and teenage sex encouraging. Focus on the Family is going to get you good.

The piggy back smiley is ok, but that smiley looking up is staring up the skirt of a tall woman! You keep your perverted midgets out of here!
I suppose :cool: encourages...er...alternative places to put "it"; :p encourages kissing with tongues which in turn encourages teen sex, :headbang: encourages BDSM which we shouldn't even get into... although :fluffle: looks all right, we can live with that one.

I suppose :cool: encourages...er...alternative places to put "it"; :p encourages kissing with tongues which in turn encourages teen sex, :headbang: encourages BDSM which we shouldn't even get into... although :fluffle: looks all right, we can live with that one.
Of course, :fluffle: is just a married couple of the same race sharing a brief kiss and mutual head massage before pulling away so that the man can go do work and the woman can cook my dinner.

Both smilies and the actionary suggestion are all horribly, disgusting, perverse, and teenage sex encouraging. Focus on the Family is going to get you good.

Bah! If they were going to get me, they would've gotten me by now. I'm slipperier than a lubricated... um.... well, you know. ;)

Bah! If they were going to get me, they would've gotten me by now. I'm slipperier than a lubricated... um.... well, you know. ;)
I'm sure there is a Monty Python skit that will go here, but I don't know it.

Of course, :fluffle: is just a married couple of the same race sharing a brief kiss and mutual head massage before pulling away so that the man can go do work and the woman can cook my dinner.
Obviously. Likewise :sniper: is a brave patriotic American soldier shooting recklessly at evil terrorists who torture kittens, holding the pillbox alone with a broken radio, and :mp5: is the same soldier with a different weapon doing it underground...

I get the same way when parents take credit for the good things thier kids do and then blame others for the bad things, either you control your kids or you don't (and the correct answer is you don't)

People compliment me on how well behaved my kids are, and I say, "tell them, they are the ones behaving, not me" and then they give me this dumb look. :rolleyes:
Which brings us nicely back to the main topic. They don't want to raise fully functional, self-sufficient human beings. They either want some perfect little doll that will serve as an example to the world of how perfect they are as parents, or they just want to get through the parenting years with as little effort as possible. Both of those attitudes are supported by things like abstinence-only programs, which give rules instead of information -- and where information contradicts the rules, the information is withheld or warped, just to make sure the rules are followed. Forcing kids to conform to rules is a lot easier than teaching them to think for themselves, make their own decisions, take responsibility for their decisions, etc.

The USA is "The Land of the Free", right?
For some conservatives that means the freedom for everyone to behave exactly as they do.

Which is perfectly okay with me.
Only conservatives should have the right to have sex!
And the right to raise children!

The world would be a beautiful place.
:fluffle:

Oops..
I mean
:) :)

fucking conservatives...[/QUOTE]

Oh would you just quit generalizing between what liberals and conservatives beleive? Honestly, there are a HUGE variety of conservatives and liberals alike...not all conservatives beleive that abstinence only programs should be taught in schools and not all liberals think that comprehensive sex ed should be taught

jeez:mad: