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Yep, paper skeletons and jack 'o lanterns have managed to make Hugo Chavez poop his pants in fear and issue a statement urging Venezuelans not to celebrate the gringo holliday. Here's the story from CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/10/30/chavez.halloween.ap/

I wish I'd seen this story yesterday, but here it is a day late.

Chavez is such a moron. He ought to resign the presidency and pursue a career in stand-up comedy.

"President Hugo Chavez urged Venezuelan parents not to dress their children in costumes for Halloween, calling it a U.S. custom that has no place in the South American country's cultural traditions."

...that seems a perfectly valid comment to me.

The rest of it is a little weird though.

Pffft. If yo're going to bitch about a holiday, bitch about Christmas. Christmas sucks. Down with Christmas!

Like all socialist dictators, Chavez must fear any activity of the people which is not organised by the government, unauthorised ideas may spead.

Pffft. If yo're going to bitch about a holiday, bitch about Christmas. Christmas sucks. Down with Christmas!

Yes!!

Yes!

Ye-hess!

You can insult our nation, our President, and our people.

But, once you start insulting Halloween, we start getting angry.

WAR!

Pffft. If yo're going to bitch about a holiday, bitch about Christmas. Christmas sucks. Down with Christmas!
This is scary. You're a mod and I often find myself agreeing with you.

This is scary. You're a mod and I often find myself agreeing with you.
I'm the cool one.

Like all socialist dictators, Chavez must fear any activity of the people which is not organised by the government, unauthorised ideas may spead.

Strange dictator this Hugo Chávez. Masochistic and suicidal: he created a Constitution that permits the people to throw him out, and he risked this occurring in a recall referendum. This referendum that took place in Venezuela was the first of its kind in Universal history. He was not cast out. And this makes it the Eighth election that Chávez has won in five years, with a transparency that would have sent dear Bush on a holiday.

Obedient to his Constitution, Chávez accepted the referendum, promoted by the opposition, and subjected himself to the will of the people: "You all decide". Up until now, the presidents interrupted their rule only for death, a putsch, an uprising or parliamentary decision. The referendum has inaugurated an innovative form of direct democracy. An extraordinary accountability: How many presidents, of what countries of the world, would be enthusiastic to allow for that? And how many would continue being president afterwards?

His tyranny, invented by the large media corporations, the fearful demon, just gave a tremendous injection of vitamins to democracy, which in Latin America, and not only in Latin America, frailly stumbles along in need of energy.

One month before, Carlos Andrés Pérez, the little angel of God, democrat adored by the large media corporations, declared a coup d'état to the four winds. Smoothly and flatly he affirmed that "the violent path" was the only possible in Venezuela and he despised the referendum "because it does not form part of the idiosyncrasy of Latin America". The idiosyncrasy of Latin America, that is to say, our precious heritage: the deaf and mute peoples.

Until recently, Venezuelans went to the beach when there were elections. Voting was not, and is not, obligatory. But the country has passed from total apathy to total enthusiasm. The torrent of the election, enormous lines waiting until dawn, standing firm, for hours and hours, overflowed all the structures of the voting apparatus. The alluvium of democracy also made difficult the application of the latest model of technology created to avoid fraud in this country where the dead have a bad custom of voting, where some of the living vote many times in each election perhaps due to Parkinson disease.

Between Venezuela and Nothingland (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=6134)

Chavez is such a moron. He ought to resign the presidency and pursue a career in stand-up comedy.

Yup. That's almost as dumb as "Culture of life" "Tribal sovreignty is... sovreignty" "Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning" or any of the other idiotic things Bush has said.

Why, this is right up there with "they hate our freedom." But it lacks the ironic truthfulness of "wherever people are oppressed, wherever people stand against tyranny, we will be there."

"President Hugo Chavez urged Venezuelan parents not to dress their children in costumes for Halloween, calling it a U.S. custom that has no place in the South American country's cultural traditions."

...that seems a perfectly valid comment to me.

The rest of it is a little weird though.

Um, doesn't Mexico make a much bigger deal out of Halloween than America does? I thought that's what "the Day of the Dead" was. It's a Catholic holiday. Not that most American's understand the significance of it. But that's just Christmas in 50 years. If you're going to get rid of every holiday that America has over commercialized and secularized then we're all going to have to convert to Islam.

Um, doesn't Mexico make a much bigger deal out of Halloween than America does? I thought that's what "the Day of the Dead" was. It's a Catholic holiday. Not that most American's understand the significance of it. But that's just Christmas in 50 years. If you're going to get rid of every holiday that America has over commercialized and secularized then we're all going to have to convert to Islam.

Maybe Mexico does. What do I care? I think people celebrating Halloween over here is silly. It's not part of our culture at all, it is simply an American custom (read: commercial venture), so I can understand where Chavez is coming from.

Saddam Hussein held elections too.

Even Hitler held a referendum on whether he should combine the Chancellorship and Presidency.

Chavez is nothing more than a tyrant.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/14/AR2005071402133_pf.html

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/Rec_Read/Dictator_In_The_Making.htm

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4199



He's also a vulgar little shit who needs a good slapping ... with a crow bar.

http://www.punditguy.com/2005/02/chavez_idiot_di.html

Saddam Hussein held elections too.

Even Hitler held a referendum on whether he should combine the Chancellorship and Presidency.

Chavez is nothing more than a tyrant.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/14/AR2005071402133_pf.html

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/Rec_Read/Dictator_In_The_Making.htm

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4199



He's also a vulgar little shit who needs a good slapping ... with a crow bar.

http://www.punditguy.com/2005/02/chavez_idiot_di.html

You Godwinned the thread after 14 posts. For shame.

Rubbish, a Godwin violation is a reference without context (i.e. Bush=Hitler).

Bush=Hitler

You did it again!

Saddam Hussein held elections too.

Even Hitler held a referendum on whether he should combine the Chancellorship and Presidency.

Chavez is nothing more than a tyrant.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/14/AR2005071402133_pf.html

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/Rec_Read/Dictator_In_The_Making.htm

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4199



He's also a vulgar little shit who needs a good slapping ... with a crow bar.

http://www.punditguy.com/2005/02/chavez_idiot_di.html

Thank you for your detailed argumentation - I am awed.

I do wish to know, however, exactly how holding an internationally-supervised referendum on one's continued rule, which was only possible because of a constitution instituted by the target of said referendum, is a particularly dictatorial practice.

Rubbish, a Godwin violation is a reference without context (i.e. Bush=Hitler).
Guy's corollary
If a discussion mentions Godwin's law as a conterrebuttal to a mention of Hitler/Nazis, then the probability of Godwin's law being disputed is equal to 1

You really should stop.

Culture, shmulture. If we stuck to our cultural traditions like glue, we wouldn't be driving cars or eating with forks. I can understand that a the president of a rather catholic country might not like what Americans have done to All Hallows, but culture isn't some kind of artifact you stick in your shelf and only take out to admire when the family comes for dinner.

Firstly, the effecacy of the supervision has been called into question. Secondly, the mere holding of such a referendum isn't enough. Chavez heavily restricts basic freedoms, such as freedom of speech and property rights. Chavez's restriction on freedom of speech (especially in the media) make the any election questionable.

Culture, shmulture. If we stuck to our cultural traditions like glue, we wouldn't be driving cars or eating with forks. I can understand that a the president of a rather catholic country might not like what Americans have done to All Hallows, but culture isn't some kind of artifact you stick in your shelf and only take out to admire when the family comes for dinner.

On the other hand, I think differing cultures are a wonderful thing, and i'd prefer not to see everywhere absorbed up into this white christian/american cultural monstrosity....which will sadly probably happen, if not within my lifetime, then soon after.

I agree that traditionalism can be rather harmful, but Chavez stating that halloween is not a tradition native to his country is a perfectly legitimate statement.

Stop talking about Hitler! <--Clicky (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0605/jon_stewart_holo.php3)

Firstly, the effecacy of the supervision has been called into question. Secondly, the mere holding of such a referendum isn't enough. Chavez heavily restricts basic freedoms, such as freedom of speech and property rights. Chavez's restriction on freedom of speech (especially in the media) make the any election questionable.

Oh, so that's why the opposition-controlled private media is allowed to demonize him so vociferously.

The very fact that Chávez lets the opposition leadership essentially get away with trying to destabilize the country proves that he is no dictator, and not even any great authoritarian.

Um, doesn't Mexico make a much bigger deal out of Halloween than America does? I thought that's what "the Day of the Dead" was. It's a Catholic holiday. Not that most American's understand the significance of it. But that's just Christmas in 50 years.

No, Mexico doesn't. It has its own celebration, La Dia de Los Muertes, which is today, the ancient Catholic Feast of All Saints. It only superficially resembles Halloween, which is a bastardization of the old celtic Samhain.


If you're going to get rid of every holiday that America has over commercialized and secularized then we're all going to have to convert to Islam.

No, American commercialized "holidays" like Valentine's are seeping into Iran and other Muslim countries, despite all the ayatollahs can do.

Guy's corollary
If a discussion mentions Godwin's law as a conterrebuttal to a mention of Hitler/Nazis, then the probability of Godwin's law being disputed is equal to 1

You really should stop.

Wow, I'm having rubbish like this thrown at me.

Instead of dropping names, why not actually rebut what I said.

Laerod, what makes you think that Chavez's objections have anything to do with "Venezuelan culture"? It is all about control, and people walking about the streets at night, going from door to door without intervention from the state must frighten any socialist dictator, in the same way as independent libraries frighten Castro.

Stop talking about Hitler! <--Clicky

Most people who are not utterly dim are able to discuss the actions of National Socialists without breaking out in spots, and the actions of Hitler early after his appointment as Chancellor clearly demonstrate dictatorship with the trappings of a democracy.

Furthermore, for those in the cheap seats, there is a difference between the anti-Bush idiots shreiking "Bushitler" and someone making a reasoned, contextual comparison. It is a fact that Chavez and Hitler are both dictators who love holding referenda. Accept it, and stop posting this Godwin crap.

On the other hand, I think differing cultures are a wonderful thing, and i'd prefer not to see everywhere absorbed up into this white christian/american cultural monstrosity....which will sadly probably happen, if not within my lifetime, then soon after.

I agree that traditionalism can be rather harmful, but Chavez stating that halloween is not a tradition native to his country is a perfectly legitimate statement.


Especially since once it's been through the mill of commercialism, there's no Christianity or Americanism left in it. Money doesn't care whether you're from the U.S. or Venezuela or Norn Irn or Papeete, as long as they get their profits.

Wow, I'm having rubbish like this thrown at me.

Instead of dropping names, why not actually rebut what I said.


Okay, sorry about that. Chavez isn't a socialist. He's a populist arse. I hope he chokes. I'd talk more but I have to go.

Oh, so that's why the opposition-controlled private media is allowed to demonize him so vociferously.

The very fact that Chávez lets the opposition leadership essentially get away with trying to destabilize the country proves that he is no dictator, and not even any great authoritarian.


You naughty person, not trusting the official version of how wicked that evil person is! Next thing you know, you'll be telling me Allende wasn't a Maoist Satan-worshipper who ate Christian Democrats for breakfast!

Like all socialist dictators, Chavez must fear any activity of the people which is not organised by the government, unauthorised ideas may spead.
Alright, I would like to propose that anyone who uses the term 'DICATATOR' to refer to someone who was ELECTED FAIRLY, should have to look the term 'dictator' up in the dictionary, and then be bludgeoned with it by a stranger.

Alright, I would like to propose that anyone who uses the term 'DICATATOR' to refer to someone who was ELECTED FAIRLY, should have to look the term 'dictator' up in the dictionary, and then be bludgeoned with it by a stranger.

Wasn't Hitler elected fairly?

Wasn't Hitler elected fairly?

No. After three inconsequential elections that failed to produce a majority government, a deal was reached between the Nazi's and the conservative DNVP (German National People's Party). The DNVP leaders convinced Hindenburg that they could control Hitler, so Hindenburg caved in and gave him the chancellorship.

Don't know about Venezuela, But November 1st IS quite big amonsgt Catholics.

Hell, in Spain, Halloween is a religious festival with celebrations spanning two days. On November 1, All Saints’ Day, Catholics attend church to honor the saints and martyrs of the faith. People visit the gravesites of the deceased and often a mass is observed at the gravesites praying for the peace of the dead. November 2 is All Souls’ Day, when the people attend special requiem masses and light votive candles and say special prayers for the dead. The black cat is considered bad luck and is never allowed in homes. A special cake called ‘Bones of the Holy’ is eaten on this Halloween day in Spain.

I'd assume there must be some influence from spanish culture in Ven. no?

Or is Hugo talking about trick or treating + stuff like that?

Wasn't Hitler elected fairly?
:rolleyes: Wait...my reaction has changed to: :D :eek:

The National Socialists were, before Hitler was appointed Chancellor, the largest party in the Reichstag, with other parties agreeing to form a coalition, we have a fairly elected government.

If that way of doing it is good enough for Germany today, and New Zealand, then fine.

Alright, I would like to propose that anyone who uses the term 'DICATATOR' to refer to someone who was ELECTED FAIRLY, should have to look the term 'dictator' up in the dictionary, and then be bludgeoned with it by a stranger.

You obviously didn't read my links. If you don't wish to read, don't post.

Okay, sorry about that. Chavez isn't a socialist. He's a populist arse. I hope he chokes. I'd talk more but I have to go.

Populism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive, they go together, especially in a country with lots of poor people, like Venezuela.

I'm sorry. I think I missed something here. Is Hitler back or something? Has he taken up residence in Venezuela? The reason I ask is that so many posts on this thread deal with Hitler. Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler. Have we all gotten it out of our system now?

I'd assume there must be some influence from spanish culture in Ven. no?

Or is Hugo talking about trick or treating + stuff like that?
Most Latin American countries have some form of a 'Day of the Dead' ...but dressing up like ghouls and trick or treating is not a part of it. It's a time to reflect on those who have passed, or to spend in religious contemplation. The commercialisation of Halloween in North America is viewed as either crass, or just weird.

I'm sorry. I think I missed something here. Is Hitler back or something? Has he taken up residence in Venezuela? The reason I ask is that so many posts on this thread deal with Hitler. Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler. Have we all gotten it out of our system now?
I certainly hope so...some people were foaming at the mouth and now I'm all covered in spittle:(

No. After three inconsequential elections that failed to produce a majority government, a deal was reached between the Nazi's and the conservative DNVP (German National People's Party). The DNVP leaders convinced Hindenburg that they could control Hitler, so Hindenburg caved in and gave him the chancellorship.

Such coalition arrangements are fair, and are acceptable in democracies with the highest reputations for fairness and constitutionality.

Hitler got into power the same way as Helen Clark (the Prime Minister of New Zealand) retained office after the recent election. No one has ever questioned that, yet it is exactly the same, smaller parties got together with the New Zealand Labour Party, and they went to the Governor-General.

It is the accepted way in Germany today.

If its good enough for the goose, its good enough for the gander.

Yeah-Our culture of terror.
Power Rangers and Spider Man are the scourge of humanity.
Fuck Chavez and anyone with negative opinions about what we do.
Just give us the oil or whatever else you're good for and shut the fuck up.
Douchebag.

You obviously didn't read my links. If you don't wish to read, don't post.
I read your links...and discarded your argument as the ramblings of someone who puts their personal animosity ahead of their reason. Call Chavez a dictator all you want...call Bush a dictator all you want...call anyone you want a dictator...you clearly do not understand the definition of the word. I suggest you purchase a dictionary and educate yourself, instead of trying to redefine the meanings of words to suit your position.

Most Latin American countries have some form of a 'Day of the Dead' ...but dressing up like ghouls and trick or treating is not a part of it. It's a time to reflect on those who have passed, or to spend in religious contemplation. The commercialisation of Halloween in North America is viewed as either crass, or just weird.

very true. But its an excuse for the companies to make money no?

thinks of the poor international coporations!! Why won't anyone think of the poor corporations!!!!!

Just give us the oil or whatever else you're good for and shut the fuck up.
Douchebag.
And that's the attitude that got Rome sacked more than once...

The National Socialists were, before Hitler was appointed Chancellor, the largest party in the Reichstag, with other parties agreeing to form a coalition, we have a fairly elected government.

Only in the third election within a 12 month period was this truly the case. In the previous two elections, a left/centre coalition would have certainly beaten the Nazi's.

very true. But its an excuse for the companies to make money no?

thinks of the poor international coporations!! Why won't anyone think of the poor corporations!!!!!
Ah, the cultural bleed is inevitable, and is not going to destroy civilisation as they know it...some people in Chile celebrate Thanksgiving now (either the US or Canadian version) because they spent time in those countries during the dictatorship (you know, a real dictatorship, not a sort-of-because-I-don't-agree-that-it-was-a-fair-election-dictatorship)...and Halloween is becoming popular among adults, and trickling down to the kids. It's an excuse to party, and hell...latinos love an excuse to party:)

Only in the third election within a 12 month period was this truly the case. In the previous two elections, a left/centre coalition would have certainly beaten the Nazi's.
Hey guys...quit hijacking the thread puleez...

Such coalition arrangements are fair, and are acceptable in democracies with the highest reputations for fairness and constitutionality.

Hitler got into power the same way as Helen Clark (the Prime Minister of New Zealand) retained office after the recent election. No one has ever questioned that, yet it is exactly the same, smaller parties got together with the New Zealand Labour Party, and they went to the Governor-General.

It is the accepted way in Germany today.

If its good enough for the goose, its good enough for the gander.

Which is correct and fair enough, but if you take it into context, it was only after two other fruitless elections in a 9 month period. Thus you can't really say that Hitler had the support of the majority, when some 40% of the votes were going to the left, and the rest to the centre.

He may have been technically "fairly" elected, but he did have a pretty thin mandate.

I read your links...and discarded your argument as the ramblings of someone who puts their personal animosity ahead of their reason. Call Chavez a dictator all you want...call Bush a dictator all you want...call anyone you want a dictator...you clearly do not understand the definition of the word. I suggest you purchase a dictionary and educate yourself, instead of trying to redefine the meanings of words to suit your position.

No attempt to address anything, I see. Go and play with the kiddies.

Only in the third election within a 12 month period was this truly the case. In the previous two elections, a left/centre coalition would have certainly beaten the Nazi's.

Would've, but the left and centre parties didn't agree to form a coalition, the National Socialists and others did. It doesn't change the fact that Hitler entered office legally in a way is good enough for some of the world's most robust democracies.

Man, that Chavez is one wacked-up commie. Holy crap. If he had his way, this is what it would be like on Halloween:

Sting Operation: Halloween

Kid rings doorbell

Kid: Trick or Treat!

Homeowner: Oh, aren't you adorable, I'll be back with some candy in one second.

Homeowner leaves and comes back, holding a gun and pointing it at the kid.

Homeowner: You are under arrest for conspiring against the government.

Kid: By dressing up and asking for candy?

Homeowner: Quit while you're ahead.

Hey guys...quit hijacking the thread puleez...

:mad: No! Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler!

:p

No attempt to address anything, I see. Go and play with the kiddies.
:D
One more time folks, enough with the hijack, por favor.

Which is correct and fair enough, but if you take it into context, it was only after two other fruitless elections in a 9 month period. Thus you can't really say that Hitler had the support of the majority, when some 40% of the votes were going to the left, and the rest to the centre.

He may have been technically "fairly" elected, but he did have a pretty thin mandate.

Never said it was an ideal, or even good process (though matters would've been a whole lot simpler is the voters just decided one way or the other, but Germany's proportional representation prevented that)

Man, that Chavez is one wacked-up commie. Holy crap. If he had his way, this is what it would be like on Halloween:

Sting Operation: Halloween

Kid rings doorbell

Kid: Trick or Treat!

Homeowner: Oh, aren't you adorable, I'll be back with some candy in one second.

Homeowner leaves and comes back, holding a gun and pointing it at the kid.

Homeowner: You are under arrest for conspiring against the government.

Kid: By dressing up and asking for candy?

Homeowner: Quit while you're ahead.

What do you (American citizens) care what Chavez says to his own people? Its not like he's gonna make up some BS excuse to invade another country or something....
;)

What do you (American citizens) care what Chavez says to his own people? Its not like he's gonna make up some BS excuse to invade another country or something....
;) Ouch! *ducks*

And that's the attitude that got Rome sacked more than once...

But they lasted a thousand years first.

I do wonder why he didn't assign some of the blame to Canada, I mean...sheesh...our Halloween can be pretty ghoulish too...what, are we just chopped liver?:(

I do wonder why he didn't assign some of the blame to Canada, I mean...sheesh...our Halloween can be pretty ghoulish too...what, are we just chopped liver?:(
yes:p

yes:p
I guess. But chopped liver is fine dining in some parts...why do I get the feeling Chavez is just lumping us gringos all together?:confused: He needs to use more specific terms like gringos estadounidenses and gringos canadienses...

But they lasted a thousand years first.
Yeah? Well, time moves at a faster pace in the 21st century, CL. All I'm saying is you treat other nations poorly at your own peril.

Pretty flimsy argument Disraeliland, Chavez has been voted into office with at least 55% in every election he has taken part in and the opposition to recalling elections has been similarly strong.

Chavez is without a doubt a demagogue however. I don't think any argument can be made against that claim.

Your name suggests Disraeliland, that you admire somebody who opposed universal suffrage and was a staunch imperialist.

I do wonder why he didn't assign some of the blame to Canada, I mean...sheesh...our Halloween can be pretty ghoulish too...what, are we just chopped liver?:(

Chopped liver on a stick

Man, that Chavez is one wacked-up commie. Holy crap. If he had his way, this is what it would be like on Halloween:

Sting Operation: Halloween

Kid rings doorbell

Kid: Trick or Treat!

Homeowner: Oh, aren't you adorable, I'll be back with some candy in one second.

Homeowner leaves and comes back, holding a gun and pointing it at the kid.

Homeowner: You are under arrest for conspiring against the government.

Kid: By dressing up and asking for candy?

Homeowner: Quit while you're ahead.

*Cue tumbleweed*

*Cue tumbleweed*
The tumbleweed decided not to show up. He said my joke was so crappy it wasn't even worth his time.

Chopped liver on a stick
Let me guess...you'd offer to be the 'stick', right?:D

Well, that would explain why this happened yesterday:

"Opposition activists charged with instigation to hatred:
Officers with the Directorate for Intelligence, Security and Prevention (Disip) arrested six young members of Primero Justicia who were posting dummy ghosts allusive to public institutions and officials"

http://english.eluniversal.com/2005/11/01/en_pol_art_01A625639.shtml


Everyone thinks that is just harrasing the other parties. But maybe it is because they were using ghosts and thus were fomenting the imperialist Halloween culture of terror :p .

I love Hugo Chavez. I'd vote for him if I could. But even people I like say and do stupid shit sometimes.

Hugo Chavez this is from a supporter and a fan - shut the hell up. Don't be a dumbass and let your mouth fly at stupid shit like this. You want to find something to bitch at America for? Open a history textbook or just turn on the news and you'll find a litany of stuff to be mad about. But Halloween? Come on. Halloween is an amusing little holiday, not a US plot. Let it go man.

Yeah? Well, time moves at a faster pace in the 21st century, CL. All I'm saying is you treat other nations poorly at your own peril.

I guess it depends on who you're dealing with. Some people are cooperative and civil under normal circumstances.
Other people only understand overwhelming violence.

Sometimes we find out too late that diplomatic relations fail when lighting the appian way with the remains of those that oppose us may have suited us better.

I'm for treating people as we want to be treated. Until they threaten our way of life. Then stomp them into oblivion before it becomes a trend.

I love Hugo Chavez. I'd vote for him if I could. But even people I like say and do stupid shit sometimes.

Hugo Chavez this is from a supporter and a fan - shut the hell up. Don't be a dumbass and let your mouth fly at stupid shit like this. You want to find something to bitch at America for? Open a history textbook or just turn on the news and you'll find a litany of stuff to be mad about. But Halloween? Come on. Halloween is an amusing little holiday, not a US plot. Let it go man.
You've made an excellent point, and about summed up my opinion on the whole matter!

I certainly hope so...some people were foaming at the mouth and now I'm all covered in spittle:(

*Wipes spittle off Sinuhue*

okay maybe I was wrong. Perhaps Chavez is more than just a little crazy :eek:

okay maybe I was wrong. Perhaps Chavez is more than just a little crazy :eek:
Some might say the same of you....careful....

Some might say the same of you....careful....

They would be right. I would say the same of me. ;)

While haloween is a bit different there are simmilar hollidays from other cultures
http://www.mexonline.com/daydead.htm

Day of the dead for example

Different feel but some of the traditions when I was down there felt simmilar

Let me guess...you'd offer to be the 'stick', right?:D

No...I wont touch liver. Chopped or otherwise.

No...I wont touch liver. Chopped or otherwise.
I have secretly put a liver into your body wuhahahaha!

Chavez probably saw my recent Halloween pic and that is why he's all freaked out about it:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/m00nbeast/howardfriend.jpg

I didnt actually wear the wig or glasses out though. I kinda look like howard stern in drag. :P

My eyes!!!

You sir. You should be charged with crimes against humanity.

[QUOTE=Kanabia]President Hugo Chavez urged Venezuelan parents not to dress their children in costumes for Halloween, calling it a U.S. custom.
[QUOTE]

he sounds like my mother

[QUOTE=Sinuhue]The commercialisation of Halloween in North America is viewed as crass.[QUOTE]

my mother again, shes not even venesualan (sp)

Yep, paper skeletons and jack 'o lanterns have managed to make Hugo Chavez poop his pants in fear and issue a statement urging Venezuelans not to celebrate the gringo holliday. Here's the story from CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/10/30/chavez.halloween.ap/

I wish I'd seen this story yesterday, but here it is a day late.

1. The people of Venezuela elected him. That makes me happy.
2. He has a great tinfoil hat - no one is trying to assassinate him, and you'll notice that there are no amphibious assault groups off the coast starting to invade him. But that sort of talk plays well there.
3. Woo hoo. They have a 100 percent literacy rate (ROFLMAO). No such thing, but hey, if it makes them happy to say it...
4. This last story about Halloween convinced me that Chavez is an NS player.

My eyes!!!

You sir. You should be charged with crimes against humanity.

Just go wash yoru eyes out with soap and you'll be all better.

The commercialisation of Halloween in North America is viewed as crass.

my mother again, shes not even venesualan (sp)
I like your mother:)

trick or treaters don't. she wont open the door for them. no lollies from our house.